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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uptown on April 03, 2012, 02:40:44 AM
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I'm about fed up with the MA.....again. Every night that I log on it's the same damned thing. It's either milk run in a dark corner of the map or fight 10 guys at once. Just no happy medium most of the time. :bhead
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sorry to hear that bud...I agree it can be frustrating out there!
don't get too disheartened though, there are still nuggets of gold to be found among the cascading waters of of dweebiness in the MA :old:
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Just fly into their horde and see how many you can get. They will rarely fight...especially on their way to a target. They are like a herd of gazelles....they have safety in numbers, but the outer guys are sitting ducks for the Lions. I routinely do this and many times it has ruined their "mission", or at least delayed it a bit...especially if you can find their goons. They are like robots in the way that they attack. No creativity and no adaptability. It makes me wonder if they are all remnants of HiTec's AI bots actually....ghosts in the machine that HTC cant stop. They are multiplying more and more each day... The only answer is to bring the temple down on our own heads!!! PULL THE PLUG SKUZZY!!! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! :noid
...who am i kidding?? HiTec's bots were much more challenging.
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Just fly into their horde and see how many you can get. They will rarely fight...especially on their way to a target. They are like a herd of gazelles....they have safety in numbers, but the outer guys are sitting ducks for the Lions. I routinely do this and many times it has ruined their "mission", or at least delayed it a bit...especially if you can find their goons. They are like robots in the way that they attack. No creativity and no adaptability. It makes me wonder if they are all remnants of HiTec's AI bots actually....ghosts in the machine that HTC cant stop. They are multiplying more and more each day... The only answer is to bring the temple down on our own heads!!! PULL THE PLUG SKUZZY!!! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! :noid
...who am i kidding?? HiTec's bots were much more challenging.
Game on.
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Game on.
Does anyone know if you can still play with the AI bots HT was working on? I think it would be an interesting exercise to see if the Vsquad as a whole could score a 1 to 1 kill ratio vs them. Each member fights the bot...best 2 out of 3 in something not super easy to fly but not terribly hard to fly either. Maybe a Yak? At the end we tally up the score. Wouldn't that be a lot of fun? If they can't get at least a 1 to 1 ratio, vDallas has to put on a tutu, take a picture of himself Facebook style (think duck lips), and post it on the bbs.
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Does anyone know if you can still play with the AI bots HT was working on? I think it would be an interesting exercise to see if the Vsquad as a whole could score a 1 to 1 kill ratio vs them. Each member fights the bot...best 2 out of 3 in something not super easy to fly but not terribly hard to fly either. Maybe a Yak? At the end we tally up the score. Wouldn't that be a lot of fun? If they can't get at least a 1 to 1 ratio, vDallas has to put on a tutu, take a picture of himself Facebook style (think duck lips), and post it on the bbs.
Is this a personal attack? It doesn't hurt yet.
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Oh good vBob is here. Please explain to me why you guys go from one undefended base to the next with no less then a full dar of your cohorts? Do you pat yourselves on the back when 30 of you defeat 3 defenders and take a base? Is this really the "challenge" you look for in a flight sim/war game?
Every single time I've ever catch one of you guy alone, you've ran as fast as you could to avoid any semblance of a fight. From what I've seen the only things you fight in a 1 vs 1 is a town building or radar tower. Do you all really not realize how pitifully lame that is?
I have lost count how many times your group has ran from a fight when reasonable opposition approaches you. Then you all will pop up somewhere across the map at another base completely undefended and swarm it like roaches.
I don't even understand why you bother with the MA at all to be quite honest. Why not just go to Early War and be done with it, instead of turning the main arena into a cesspool.
You can call this a personal attack if ya want, but everyone here knows it's the truth. And in my opinion this kind of "fighting" is killing the game. If my only options are to fight no one or fight 15 at once, I'd as soon spend my 15 bucks on another game.
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Nowadays a single country plays the capture/reset game, while the other two don't care. We switch map most days, until we get trinity map for a week.
I'm not sure it is good for the game.
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Oh good vBob is here. Please explain to me why you guys go from one undefended base to the next with no less then a full dar of your cohorts? Do you pat yourselves on the back when 30 of you defeat 3 defenders and take a base? Is this really the "challenge" you look for in a flight sim/war game?
Every single time I've ever catch one of you guy alone, you've ran as fast as you could to avoid any semblance of a fight. From what I've seen the only things you fight in a 1 vs 1 is a town building or radar tower. Do you all really not realize how pitifully lame that is?
I have lost count how many times your group has ran from a fight when reasonable opposition approaches you. Then you all will pop up somewhere across the map at another base completely undefended and swarm it like roaches.
I don't even understand why you bother with the MA at all to be quite honest. Why not just go to Early War and be done with it, instead of turning the main arena into a cesspool.
You can call this a personal attack if ya want, but everyone here knows it's the truth. And in my opinion this kind of "fighting" is killing the game. If my only options are to fight no one or fight 15 at once, I'd as soon spend my 15 bucks on another game.
wow.
everytime huh. I'm not even going to ask you you get a player type enemy icon instead of plane type.
Do you know what a sore loser is? Do you know why you can't land kills or capture a maproom on the forum?
I'm sorry if you're not having as much fun as you feel you're entitled to have. I'm sorry for your country's lack of defense. I'm sorry you weren't in the right line when hitech was dictating what squad everyone was going to join. I'm also sorry that more often than I'd like, I land at new fields with leftover ammo and that David Wales is no longer a part of the forum.
I'll apologize ahead of time for not maneuvering my plane the way you'd like if we're ever in a dogfight.
Thank you for blaming me for turning Aces High into a cesspool.
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There's over 100 fields on that map. 42 players on Bishops and I bet you at least 30 of them were attacking the same field all at once. :rolleyes:
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Priceless. Yet another huge overstatement about how much of the bishops we comprise. Another poor estimation on how many guys were attacking too.
If the bishops ever have 30 out of 42 in flight it will be a miracle.
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wow.
everytime huh. I'm not even going to ask you you get a player type enemy icon instead of plane type.
Do you know what a sore loser is? Do you know why you can't land kills or capture a maproom on the forum?
I'm sorry if you're not having as much fun as you feel you're entitled to have. I'm sorry for your country's lack of defense. I'm sorry you weren't in the right line when hitech was dictating what squad everyone was going to join. I'm also sorry that more often than I'd like, I land at new fields with leftover ammo and that David Wales is no longer a part of the forum.
I'll apologize ahead of time for not maneuvering my plane the way you'd like if we're ever in a dogfight.
Thank you for blaming me for turning Aces High into a cesspool.
So answer my questions. No need for you to explain to me how sorry you are.....
As far as a lack of defense. Time and again when we're put up defense you all jump to another field clear across the map just so you can avoid defense :lol Anyone that's played this game any length of time knows that.
Sore loser? No, just sick of the chicken crap game play out of these massive sheep herds you call squads. Capturing maprooms? I've forgotten how many maprooms I've captured since tour 75. Landing kills....I landed your scalp at the base in the screen shot. While you were running away I might add.
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Priceless. Yet another huge overstatement about how much of the bishops we comprise. Another poor estimation on how many guys were attacking too.
If the bishops ever have 30 out of 42 in flight it will be a miracle.
:rofl A40, the base to the NW of my screen shot had 2 full dar bars of Bishops!!! And no friendly dar bar at all!
Look at your own YouTube video! TO TAKE A VBASE !!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LomIW64PrbQ&list=UUGJG5MO8EzB5HA4u6Q4QXow&index=3&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LomIW64PrbQ&list=UUGJG5MO8EzB5HA4u6Q4QXow&index=3&feature=plcp)
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Gotta admit they do the horde and do it well.. Is kinda not fun but it's their 15 bucks. What I may suggest is that we could just get out of their way completely and just let them take the bases without a hint of opposition after a while I am sure that would get awfully boring. No one sez we have to have a 3 sided war. If all we wanna do is have good fights we can spend our energy on the knits, or rooks as you will. I am sure that the bish would get pretty bored having nothing to do but take uncontested bases day in and day out. In the end it is a game and you have to find yer fun where ya can...I feel ya ....
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I'm about fed up with the MA.....again. Every night that I log on it's the same damned thing. It's either milk run in a dark corner of the map or fight 10 guys at once. Just no happy medium most of the time. :bhead
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With numbers like that, you must have been playing in the wee hours of the morning. You should have been logged in during prime time last night, when the rooks and nits had a large numbers advantage (something like n-176, r-151, b-116 iirc) and were dropping hangars at every bishie base and basically steamrolling everything in sight. A cesspool of lameness.
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M1A1
That was my idea darn it :noid
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Roll a jet. Runners can't run. I lost one yesterday but who cares? Way worth it when you blow them up trying to hold formations.
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IMHO, the Main Arenas are merely practice for FSOs, Scenarios, and other special events.
http://www.ahevents.org/ (http://www.ahevents.org/)
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Dallas- "everyone join my mision, we are gonna need all 40 of us to take this vbase, but if all fails make sure I do not get killed"
VBobO- "Awsome now I can make a video to show how awsome we are at taking bases with 20+ sets of bombers!"
Vhoard- "Yaayyy!"
SYSTEM: "Base v141 has been captured by the bishops"
Vhoard- Woohooo! Wtg 141, WTFG, nice job guys!, we are awsome! Let's do it again!"
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IMHO, the Main Arenas are merely practice for FSOs, Scenarios, and other special events.
BINGO!!!!
That's all it was ever good for...........
The MA was never what the game was about....
CAV
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With numbers like that, you must have been playing in the wee hours of the morning. You should have been logged in during prime time last night, when the rooks and nits had a large numbers advantage (something like n-176, r-151, b-116 iirc) and were dropping hangars at every bishie base and basically steamrolling everything in sight. A cesspool of lameness.
Yes the side balancing is broken and needs repair. The Knits had +30 players (Sunday Night) with .7 eny. :headscratch:
But worse than that my own country (Rooks) were taking Bish base after Bish base while in the north against the Knits myself and a few others were calling for help while we were getting ganged trying to defend bases. No one would leave the Horde so I logged. I wasn't joining the Horde and was tired of getting ganged. That map had few options.
Sad I had more fun playing COD against AI (not online) :confused:
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Uptown, I understand the frustration, but it is their 15 bucks. However, there are some knights that are finding ways to beat them. The best way is to beat them to their game of capture the base. They cannot win if you know what base they are going after. When you know just be ready to face them off. You do not have to have to have even numbers or alt advantages. They cannot fight back and when they do it they are really bad at it.
IMHO, the Main Arenas are merely practice for FSOs, Scenarios, and other special events.
http://www.ahevents.org/ (http://www.ahevents.org/)
V-tards would not last long in FSO.
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They don't have to be good 15 boot campers can take a navy seal out if they all jump him at once :lol
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V-tards would not last long in FSO.
What makes you say that? I would encourage them to try FSO, they may just surprise you.
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Not sure why everyone complains, we have perks for a reason - get a wingman up in a 262 and see who can land 9 first.
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You say 10 to 1..... it really depends on who your up against. The way some fly 10 to 1 would be considered fairly even.
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As I said many times ago, the game needs more small targets that can be attacked by few players or just by one.
But this means new maps ...
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Pls, don't reply how your brave to take a large field with only 3 of you.
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I'd love to sign up 3 of those vTards to JG5 and teach them how to enjoy a proper white knuckle turn fight.
However, I think the adrenaline rush, as opposed to the monotony of shooting buildings, may give all 3 a coronary within 120 seconds.
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What makes you say that? I would encourage them to try FSO, they may just surprise you.
Have you ever fought them in their circus horde?
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Have you ever fought them in their circus horde?
Once they bomb out every hanger it turns into a lufbery circle.
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Another thing. If rooks or knights are so 'brave', qhy hell they gang my spit ???
Don't you like Bishops tactics. Well I don't like Rooks one ... boring
altitude playing and ... squad gang bang ... loose deuce squadron included !
About Knights ... well ... what could I say ... nothing !!! :D
Let's forgot all this thoughts, play and have fun until we will have new maps.
:salute
:salute
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When I first started playing I ran with Rolling Thunder, back in the day of the lanc NOE raids. You send your minions out early to destroy the dar vh and ords at nearby fields then pow pow. I think on one Falcon23 mission we dropped three fields in a row with the same group of resources. Thats how easy a capture used to be and how many people would get in on the missions.
Fast forward a few years and now I just like putting around in a fighter and being challenged by a fun fight. That may be the transition folks go through. I personally find no challenge in having such huge odds in your favor. I like going to an undefended base and starting on it by myself, because sooner rather than later, three will up to defend it, then a nice isolated fight happens. That, then flying as a squad senior member and pick guys off the tail of minions and rack up kills because the minions don't know enough about ACM because your squad does no ACM training. Probably for just that reason.
It is a shame that the satisfaction of seeing a base captured and scoring a few picks/vulches/camps satisfies some folks more than having a meeting engagement on even odds and out thinking your opponent to victory.
Where are random spawn points within a one mile circle? When are the spawn points coming off the clipboard? When is Radar going back up to 500ft? Hypocritically the community by asking for the dar drop, inadvertently created the circumstances for mega raids. So, which was worse, surprise little NOE or 40 plane raid? When are the best aircraft for these raids going to be lightly perked? If predominance of kills in the game are limited to three airframes, why are they not perked one point? When is ENY going to be local? When are we going to have a reason to satisfy our inner score potato to fly all of the way to the strats, instead of the clowns flying around bombing town centers? Why do we have a B29 if not for the destruction of enemy strategic resources? When is field ack going to be dialed back up to the way it used to be, a death blossom? When when when.....
I would be willing to bet a years subscription that HTC has had some pretty interesting staff meetings talking about all of the things you guys bring up and they think through 4 or 5 layers to see what the end effect of that will be. This time last year I did not see 5-600 folks on at a time, it was a bit lower. Something is working for them, my guess is by design.
So, to all of you who are offended, just as I am, by the mega-horde, have a sip of scotch, up away from the action and pick a fight. The guys who really want that, and are worth fighting, will quickly migrate to that rather than fly along with a horde.
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Is this a whine thread :rolleyes: I find kinda funny you even post this.
If the vtard are ganging on you then fight the other opposing country
problem salved. :bolt:
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There's over 100 fields on that map. 42 players on Bishops and I bet you at least 30 of them were attacking the same field all at once. :rolleyes:
Its funny, the Germans and Japanese complained when the Allies struck with overwhelming force as well. Seems after a few complaints, the "rules" of the war were changed for those that couldn't find a good dogfight or tank battle <sarcasm font
I fly exclusively Bish and was on for about an hour last night, died about 20 times and got few kills because of overwhelming numbers........it's just a game. In the face of overwhelming odds I upped to defend bases over and over that we were clearly going to lose.....free planes and the girls I meet don't care what my k/d is on AH. And honestly, it makes me better when the odds aren't so lopsided.
As much as you dislike the hordes, I dislike the "gamers" that just want a good dogfight on even or their terms. Usually a pair parked 5k over my head complaing on 200 that the pony at A36 is a sissy because it won't engage in a fight where it is at a clear disadvantage. They need to come down and meet me co-alt, co-E...... I digress............... Couple of suggestions;
1)Furball Lake-All the digfights you want without all the hastle
2)Go DA someone
3)Go get some therapy, hypnosis maybe.......it's just a game
BTW, I like to get in above a horde and find I get many kills of the preoccupied base takers.
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maybe limit the number of vehicle that can up from one base??
sure it would not stop the horde but it woukld make them think
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Heck, look how outnumbered the bish would have been had the V BRIGADE not been online :bolt:
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Is this a whine thread :rolleyes: I find kinda funny you even post this.
If the vtard are ganging on you then fight the other opposing country
problem salved. :bolt:
i think your response was stupid. i hope this does not constitute a personal attack, as i was commenting on the players response, and not said player.
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BINGO!!!!
That's all it was ever good for...........
The MA was never what the game was about....
CAV
Ayuh!
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i think your response was stupid. i hope this does not constitute a personal attack, as i was commenting on the players response, and not said player.
LMAO....
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BINGO!!!!
That's all it was ever good for...........
The MA was never what the game was about....
CAV
Really? Is that why it is the MAIN ARENA?
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As much as you dislike the hordes, I dislike the "gamers" that just want a good dogfight on even or their terms. Usually a pair parked 5k over my head complaing on 200 that the pony at A36 is a sissy because it won't engage in a fight where it is at a clear disadvantage. They need to come down and meet me co-alt, co-E......
It's probably beacuse most everyone know exactly what squad or person is taking advantage of the horde and corresponding fallout, to pad their score to uberness. There are quite a few people in this game who have very good scores, beacuse when they play the risk nothing and they look to feed on those horde circumstances. That is their "way". Now, calling them out as wussies on 200, heck, they earned it. Next couple of times you get your six cleared in a horde remember the name of the guy who cleared you. Likley, he is not the one who check sixed you, and then he went right back up to 15K and waiting for the next lemming.
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You can't get rid of hordes unless you pork literally every single base. Again, my response to this has always been:
Put a Tank Town on the map so the guy who wants to furball and GV can do it there and the guys who want to horde or fight hordes can do it elsewhere. If there is no TT, where do you expect us "furballers" to find any action? Besides the horde/against the horde.
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It's probably beacuse most everyone know exactly what squad or person is taking advantage of the horde and corresponding fallout, to pad their score to uberness. There are quite a few people in this game who have very good scores, beacuse when they play the risk nothing and they look to feed on those horde circumstances. That is their "way". Now, calling them out as wussies on 200, heck, they earned it. Next couple of times you get your six cleared in a horde remember the name of the guy who cleared you. Likley, he is not the one who check sixed you, and then he went right back up to 15K and waiting for the next lemming.
The 200 comment was a separate rant from hordes and I shouldn't have even posted that portion, I am not a complainer and I don't very often monitor 200 because the complaining and pi@@ing contests there are just silly. As far as A countyman with alt using the low guys as bait, I find 80% of the time that occurs the country switching squads are usually the culprits since there is a certain sense of loyalty to fellow countrymen for those that don't switch (with a few exceptions).
As far as the horde and vTARD complaints, it happens on all sides and whatever country you are on it feels like it's just you. I tag along on vTard missions now and again, they are pretty organized, good banter along the way and we take a base or two. The thing is in war when the opponent uses a tactic to accomplish a goal, the solution is not to alter the rules of the war but instead to alter and adapt ones tactics to counter the move.
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we've always tried stirring up a fight away from the hordes by taking a few attack planes, killing radar and working the town. not to take the base, but to look like a base-take push is starting and get a response. these days the usual response is every 88/AA position filled and a few wirbles ... yawn
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we've always tried stirring up a fight away from the hordes by taking a few attack planes, killing radar and working the town. not to take the base, but to look like a base-take push is starting and get a response. these days the usual response is every 88/AA position filled and a few wirbles ... yawn
If I see a potetial mission at one of our bases I will usually only up if it is a CV mission so by the time I meet the enemy I am close to co-alt and/or E. Or, if it is a mission coming in at a higher alt, there are a good number of guys upping with me. If the mission comes in high and there are only a few guys to defend, it is silly to try and up and most certainly quickly perish, and sound tactic to use a more survivable method of defense like the 88, field guns or whirbs until a larger defense force decides to arrive (errr.... if they decide)
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I just want an answer about the whole AI thing. I think it would be fun to find out.....Anyone??
Personally I love the "Devil's Brigade"...they provide me with a huge amount of entertainment every night I am in the MA. I love getting PMs from their amazing leader out of nowhere. I love the way they group so close together and dont move when you go to attack them. I love that they don't feel the need to improve individually within the game. Dallas is mother, Dallas is father, he will lead you to "victory". When you "win" so much, there is no need to improve. Please keep doing what you do. The game just wouldn't be the same without you guys. I would suggest recruiting more members though. I was on Sunday night and only saw 20 of you on roster. I don't know if you can reach your long term goals with such a small number.
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I just want an answer about the whole AI thing. I think it would be fun to find out.....Anyone??
Personally I love the "Devil's Brigade"...they provide me with a huge amount of entertainment every night I am in the MA. I love getting PMs from their amazing leader out of nowhere. I love the way they group so close together and dont move when you go to attack them. I love that they don't feel the need to improve individually within the game. Dallas is mother, Dallas is father, he will lead you to "victory". When you "win" so much, there is no need to improve. Please keep doing what you do. The game just wouldn't be the same without you guys. I would suggest recruiting more members though. I was on Sunday night and only saw 20 of you on roster. I don't know if you can reach your long term goals with such a small number.
Are you sure they aren't AI (PMs and all)?
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The 200 comment was a separate rant from hordes and I shouldn't have even posted that portion, I am not a complainer and I don't very often monitor 200 because the complaining and pi@@ing contests there are just silly. As far as A countyman with alt using the low guys as bait, I find 80% of the time that occurs the country switching squads are usually the culprits since there is a certain sense of loyalty to fellow countrymen for those that don't switch (with a few exceptions).
Obviously you have no idea what the "country switching" squads are made of. Instead of being limited to just one sides thoughts and ideas, we see each side for what it truely is. All sides are more alike than different.
We are loyal to the green side.... no matter what chess piece it is.
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Are you sure they aren't AI (PMs and all)?
That is exactly what I posited in my first post in this thread, but I came to the conclusion that if they were AI, they would put up more of a fight.
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Actually we don't actively recruit. As far as getting my scalp... well I was oiled, had deacked your field and was outnumbered 3 to 1.
I'd better go whine it up on a new thread about perceived injustice.
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Have you ever fought them in their circus horde?
Now wait just a doggone minute here... Us circus clowns aren't in this race! :D
All the Best...
Jay
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Its funny, the Germans and Japanese complained when the Allies struck with overwhelming force as well. Seems after a few complaints, the "rules" of the war were changed for those that couldn't find a good dogfight or tank battle <sarcasm font
I fly exclusively Bish and was on for about an hour last night, died about 20 times and got few kills because of overwhelming numbers........it's just a game. In the face of overwhelming odds I upped to defend bases over and over that we were clearly going to lose.....free planes and the girls I meet don't care what my k/d is on AH. And honestly, it makes me better when the odds aren't so lopsided.
As much as you dislike the hordes, I dislike the "gamers" that just want a good dogfight on even or their terms. Usually a pair parked 5k over my head complaing on 200 that the pony at A36 is a sissy because it won't engage in a fight where it is at a clear disadvantage. They need to come down and meet me co-alt, co-E...... I digress............... Couple of suggestions;
1)Furball Lake-All the digfights you want without all the hastle
2)Go DA someone
3)Go get some therapy, hypnosis maybe.......it's just a game
BTW, I like to get in above a horde and find I get many kills of the preoccupied base takers.
Now this guy has a clue rake and has used it! :salute
All the Best...
Jay
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Really? Is that why it is the MAIN ARENA?
Actually it was designed for practice for the main meat of the Game... The Scenarios and Snapshot campaigns. Unfortunately with my rotating schedule, I don't get to participate in the scenarios and snapshot campaigns very often. They are the real meat and potatoes of just what the real Aces High is about! You can't get any further realism of being in combat during WWII without a time machine than we have available here! The MA is just an everything goes arena!
All the Best...
Jay
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Just fly into their horde and see how many you can get. They will rarely fight...especially on their way to a target. They are like a herd of gazelles....they have safety in numbers, but the outer guys are sitting ducks for the Lions. I routinely do this and many times it has ruined their "mission", or at least delayed it a bit...especially if you can find their goons. They are like robots in the way that they attack. No creativity and no adaptability. It makes me wonder if they are all remnants of HiTec's AI bots actually....ghosts in the machine that HTC cant stop. They are multiplying more and more each day... The only answer is to bring the temple down on our own heads!!! PULL THE PLUG SKUZZY!!! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! :noid
...who am i kidding?? HiTec's bots were much more challenging.
Personal Attack?
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Obviously you have no idea what the "country switching" squads are made of. Instead of being limited to just one sides thoughts and ideas, we see each side for what it truely is. All sides are more alike than different.
We are loyal to the green side.... no matter what chess piece it is.
And you guys may be an exception, I haven't had the opportunity to fly with you but historically I find side switchers more of a hinderence than a help. And I do fly with knits and rooks at furball lake, you are right there are many awesome folks in the AH community. I just like the loyalty aspect of sticking with my peeps through good and bad, thick and thin.
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Dallas- "everyone join my mision, we are gonna need all 40 of us to take this vbase, but if all fails make sure I do not get killed"
VBobO- "Awsome now I can make a video to show how awsome we are at taking bases with 20+ sets of bombers!"
Vhoard- "Yaayyy!"
SYSTEM: "Base v141 has been captured by the bishops"
Vhoard- Woohooo! Wtg 141, WTFG, nice job guys!, we are awsome! Let's do it again!"
Personal Attack?
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Uptown, I understand the frustration, but it is their 15 bucks. However, there are some knights that are finding ways to beat them. The best way is to beat them to their game of capture the base. They cannot win if you know what base they are going after. When you know just be ready to face them off. You do not have to have to have even numbers or alt advantages. They cannot fight back and when they do it they are really bad at it.
V-tards would not last long in FSO.
Personal Attack?
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Personal Attack?
We will let skuzzy deiced on that.
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we've always tried stirring up a fight away from the hordes by taking a few attack planes, killing radar and working the town. not to take the base, but to look like a base-take push is starting and get a response. these days the usual response is every 88/AA position filled and a few wirbles ... yawn
I tried that myself on the trinity map the other day. Bish and knights (my current team) we're gangin the rooks. Took it upon myself to start a fight with the Bish. Upped my D-40 fully loaded and attacked a base. Wiped out ord, radar, and half the field ack and took a fuel hit that put me down. Zero response from Bish. Upped again with 10 rockets and 1 500lber. Flew back @ 5000ft hoping for a fight. Killed every single hard gun on the base and in town. Dropped 6 buildings with my lone bomb. No response not even an 88. Flew back to base beggin knights to stop the gang in the east and start the fight in the west. No response.
The gangs are rampant on every team and it does get tiresome. Keep saying we need to go to two teams. At least the gang would be honest and ENY would be a factor.
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Have you ever fought them in their circus horde?
No, I am new to Aces High. Apologies for entering the discussion! :rolleyes:
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I tried that myself on the trinity map the other day. Bish and knights (my current team) we're gangin the rooks. Took it upon myself to start a fight with the Bish. Upped my D-40 fully loaded and attacked a base. Wiped out ord, radar, and half the field ack and took a fuel hit that put me down. Zero response from Bish. Upped again with 10 rockets and 1 500lber. Flew back @ 5000ft hoping for a fight. Killed every single hard gun on the base and in town. Dropped 6 buildings with my lone bomb. No response not even an 88. Flew back to base beggin knights to stop the gang in the east and start the fight in the west. No response.
The gangs are rampant on every team and it does get tiresome. Keep saying we need to go to two teams. At least the gang would be honest and ENY would be a factor.
From a tactical standpoint it would've made little sense to divert resources to a lone jug. Sometimes the order of battle calls for bypassing a lesser threat to concentrate on the more pressing business at hand. If you were by yourself looking for a fight there is one to be had 24/7 at furball lake. Fact is there are far too many bases to evenly spread the battle. I will agree however that the physical layout of some maps is condusive to concentrating fights in reletively small areas. This is especially true if the front lines are short and territory deep instead of having a long frontline with many adjacent bases.
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No, I am new to Aces High. Apologies for entering the discussion! :rolleyes:
You won't fit in here without a lot more banter sir. You should at least pick a squadron to bash.
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Every country hordes when they have numbers, bish just happen to have a squad that makes it an art form (we probably whined when they were rooks for a while). Seems that we bish were getting horded terribly last night by the rooks!
I've been in the game for about six years and it has always been the same, in fact the same folks seem to be the ones complaining as when I started. (their lives must be miserable after six years of such torture).
The MA is more about SA mixed with a bit of ACM, if that is a bother - go to the DA. It seems that if the complainers would spend a bit more time adapting to the environment in the MA instead of whining, they might actually find it enjoyable. I fly, I get shot down and I try to adjust - it keeps the game interesting.
I will admit that I would like to see some changes to allow for a bit more strategic activity instead of "hording" - but it is what it is. I am sure that small changes in the game format could have a large overall impact to game play - not what HT would want to do as a small business. I personally applaud HT's balancing act effort!
Summary - if the game play bothers you so much, quit making the rest of us listen to your suffering and do something to change your routine..........or leave!
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I came prepared....
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/CHEESE_006__98793_zoom.jpg)
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/Kerrygold_Irish_Cheddar.jpg)
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Sometimes the order of battle calls for bypassing a lesser threat to concentrate on the more pressing business at hand.
thanks for the laugh :lol
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Every country hordes when they have numbers, bish just happen to have a squad that makes it an art form (we probably whined when they were rooks for a while). Seems that we bish were getting horded terribly last night by the rooks!
I've been in the game for about six years and it has always been the same, in fact the same folks seem to be the ones complaining as when I started. (their lives must be miserable after six years of such torture).
The MA is more about SA mixed with a bit of ACM, if that is a bother - go to the DA. It seems that if the complainers would spend a bit more time adapting to the environment in the MA instead of whining, they might actually find it enjoyable. I fly, I get shot down and I try to adjust - it keeps the game interesting.
I will admit that I would like to see some changes to allow for a bit more strategic activity instead of "hording" - but it is what it is. I am sure that small changes in the game format could have a large overall impact to game play - not what HT would want to do as a small business. I personally applaud HT's balancing act effort!
Summary - if the game play bothers you so much, quit making the rest of us listen to your suffering and do something to change your routine..........or leave!
THANK YOU!!! <S>
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I came prepared....
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/CHEESE_006__98793_zoom.jpg)
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/Kerrygold_Irish_Cheddar.jpg)
Nice Pic Dragon! I get that a lot....
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We're going to need a bigger cheese block.
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I ve been in the Ma before during an event and there was well over 400 people in there. MA definitely isnt just a practice arena for many members of the AH community...just saying.
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Isnt it obvious? The mob mentality induces the "I win" feeling when the 30v1 odds hands them a win. The people who think that is "fun" are truly missing something. They have no idea what it is to earn something. Stop and think about it. Being able to level a field, have zero resistance, and leisurely waltz a troop carrier in is "fun" to them. Everyone gets a trophy without having to do anything but just be there. Lame. But, to each their own.
I'd rather work like the devil and miss by a fraction of a second/inch, than to win by 30v1 odds. That isn't defeating the enemy, it is like taking candy from a sleeping baby and that is as boring as it gets.
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We're going to need a bigger cheese block.
Looking forward to FSO, its going to be quite fun I hope :\ :/
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Isnt it obvious? The mob mentality induces the "I win" feeling when the 30v1 odds hands them a win. The people who think that is "fun" are truly missing something. They have no idea what it is to earn something. Stop and think about it. Being able to level a field, have zero resistance, and leisurely waltz a troop carrier in is "fun" to them. Everyone gets a trophy without having to do anything but just be there. Lame. But, to each their own.
I'd rather work like the devil and miss by a fraction of a second/inch, than to win by 30v1 odds. That isn't defeating the enemy, it is like taking candy from a sleeping baby and that is as boring as it gets.
30v1? If you're going to fib you should at least use numbers and ratios that aren't completely ridiculous.
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I haven't read all of this thread..really don't need to as it is the same old same old...I will however put my nose in and have a say...I used to be of the feeling all sides horde...and yes they still do...but lately I have been swapping sides to fight the big red dars and i found this .... I am almost embarrassed to be bish...You will notice I say almost..... as there are some who do have some semblence of pride/self sustained ability and all round understanding of social interaction...
The bish horde is like a bunch of locusts ..... they come through in a loud buzzing cloud ... many die and fall to the ground on their quest for food..in this case bases.... any kind of resistance is almost futile as they don't care about anything but flattening what is in their path... the fight if any is a couple of guys who will sit up top of the procession and pick any foe who dares try enter ( not very well either) ... the fight they do have consists of nothing more than a zoom pass...each one will have a go but very rarely will they turn for a second.....unless the con has another 4-5 on his tail...then many will join the fight for the tasty an nutritious morsel ... even a sliver can be of huge importance ... on the other side of this ... if you try fight bish any other time they always seem to run .... what the ????.... explains why I'm often left alone with a group of cons bearing down on me...I always thought they were shot down but it would seem they just leave the area hahahaha.....
But bish isn't all bad ... i still have my friend who stays till the end each time hahahaha ... no there is more than one other just being a bit factitious now :D
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Isnt it obvious? The mob mentality induces the "I win" feeling when the 30v1 odds hands them a win. The people who think that is "fun" are truly missing something. They have no idea what it is to earn something. Stop and think about it. Being able to level a field, have zero resistance, and leisurely waltz a troop carrier in is "fun" to them. Everyone gets a trophy without having to do anything but just be there. Lame. But, to each their own.
I'd rather work like the devil and miss by a fraction of a second/inch, than to win by 30v1 odds. That isn't defeating the enemy, it is like taking candy from a sleeping baby and that is as boring as it gets.
Is it a mob mentality or teamwork, horde or commradery? Who are you to decide what is normal fun for all and who has some sort of mental deficiency because they do not like what you like? HiTech was bright enough to incorporate many types of "fun" into this simulation to appeal to the varied tastes of aviation/WWII enthusiasts. To label someone or berrate them because they find fun in an aspect of the game in which you don't is immature at best.
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this is obviouslyu a fake, Bish and rooks dont horde each other.
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Not gonna quote SPKmes' entire diatribe but......gee buddy, sounds alot like war. Don't know about you but I've been in one and if there is anything that we desire to do most it is flatten and destroy resistance by any means possible.
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You won't fit in here without a lot more banter sir. You should at least pick a squadron to bash.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't see any reason to bash you guys. You're going to play AH the way you like, at the very least bashing the Devils isn't going to make the squadron (as a whole) change anything. I've seen many squads go through the period of bashing (Rolling Thunder, Pigs, Birds of Prey, etc), but getting uptight about something I can't change doesn't solve anything.
I would encourage you to try FSO, your determined nature could not only be rewarded but may even be applauded. I'd like to spend a bit of time with some of you gents in the TA as well, I'd like nothing more than to see the complaints after you 'pwn' someone.
Yep, it is official. With the new house, wife and kids, I am definitely getting soft.
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Not gonna quote SPKmes' entire diatribe but......gee buddy, sounds alot like war. Don't know about you but I've been in one and if there is anything that we desire to do most it is flatten and destroy resistance by any means possible.
:rolleyes: there is just no helping some people
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30v1? If you're going to fib you should at least use numbers and ratios that aren't completely ridiculous.
29 v 1.
Sorry.
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Thanks delirium. I'm not one to cut on a squad just because I don't like the way they play. It's an open ended game with lots of ways to play. I used to bash squads when I was new, my first squad CO had me convinced that all Claim Jumpers are the lowest form of scum on the planet followed by Satan's Playmates.
Then I played for a while and realized they're just squads, like every other squad. No single individual in AH is invincible and no group is either. A way to win can always be found. I just wish fewer people would look to the forum as their way to win.
ps.
the video I made that was posted by one of our haters was not posted on youtube to show off, that's why the only portion of that flight to be published was the ridiculous part where the air mission flew over the unfriendly friendly Tank campers who seemed to think it would be a good idea to broadcast intel on 200 in the hopes that their countrymen would fail to capture the field.
It shows exactly what happens whenever someone tries to force someone else to enjoy aces high the same way they do. It's an exercise in futility.
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Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't see any reason to bash you guys. You're going to play AH the way you like, at the very least bashing the Devils isn't going to make the squadron (as a whole) change anything. I've seen many squads go through the period of bashing (Rolling Thunder, Pigs, Birds of Prey, etc), but getting uptight about something I can't change doesn't solve anything.
I would encourage you to try FSO, your determined nature could not only be rewarded but may even be applauded. I'd like to spend a bit of time with some of you gents in the TA as well, I'd like nothing more than to see the complaints after you 'pwn' someone.
Yep, it is official. With the new house, wife and kids, I am definitely getting soft.
Id be more than happy to spend some time getting frustrated in the TA with you. Everyone can always use some help with something. We have a few that could give a lot of the good sticks a run for their money.
PM Sent.
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And since we're posting film. Here's another one where we have the enemy outnumbered 32-1. Sorry for the poor quality I was a little busy running away from the fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcWFccsQ3jc&feature=youtu.be
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And since we're posting film. Here's another one where we have the enemy outnumbered 32-1. Sorry for the poor quality I was a little busy running away from the fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcWFccsQ3jc&feature=youtu.be
I don't think that was the video you meant to post. It is just 2 views of someone on someone elses 6. No fight, no setup.
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I respond with Anger: :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc2Ii9cRFMA&feature=youtu.be
BTW: This is YOUR countrymen Uptown. :devil
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I don't think that was the video you meant to post. It is just 2 views of someone on someone elses 6. No fight, no setup.
Good point. I just posted the most recent film on the channel. No setup, just one guy clearing the 6 of another. The only setup was shooting the tail section off before blowing the rest of the plane up.
Maybe this is better?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ87lXSegjM&feature=channel
Yes I know a spixteen is more than a match for a hellcat in this situation.
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:uhoh <---my response to Chalenge
Anyway Rob, I don't deny all the countries hoard up..been happening from day one. But I just don't understand the mentality of it and why so many enjoy avoiding a fight in a fighting game by bringing the numbers they do. If if wasn't you guys it'd be some other squad. I believe in sportmanship and giving my opponents a fair clean fight. I would get bored very quickly following around a mass of guys begging for scraps or a chance to beat a countryman to the field for a vulch or two. Apparently you and the majority of others enjoy just that. Well have at it. More power to ya. I've grown tired of trying to defend a base with 2 or 3 guys against whole 3 wing squads. SEA is where I probably need to be anyway.
Oh btw, I was checking out your squad forums last night and can't say I've ever seen a forum category solely for haters posts before. I'm honored to have made a place on it :devil :lol
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IMHO, the Main Arenas are merely practice for FSOs, Scenarios, and other special events.
http://www.ahevents.org/ (http://www.ahevents.org/)
I find this to be a joke, have you ever checked the numbers in the MA while these events are ongoing.
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:uhoh <---my response to Chalenge
Anyway Rob, I don't deny all the countries hoard up..been happening from day one. But I just don't understand the mentality of it and why so many enjoy avoiding a fight in a fighting game by bringing the numbers they do. If if wasn't you guys it'd be some other squad. I believe in sportmanship and giving my opponents a fair clean fight. I would get bored very quickly following around a mass of guys begging for scraps or a chance to beat a countryman to the field for a vulch or two. Apparently you and the majority of others enjoy just that. Well have at it. More power to ya. I've grown tired of trying to defend a base with 2 or 3 guys against whole 3 wing squads. SEA is where I probably need to be anyway.
Oh btw, I was checking out your squad forums last night and can't say I've ever seen a forum category solely for haters posts before. I'm honored to have made a place on it :devil :lol
We are honored to piss you off! :aok We find joy in it. It is our only goal.
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Not gonna quote SPKmes' entire diatribe but......gee buddy, sounds alot like war. Don't know about you but I've been in one and if there is anything that we desire to do most it is flatten and destroy resistance by any means possible.
This GAME is nothing like war and should never be compared to it in any way shape or form. If you think that you can can compare this GAME to war because you have been in a war, I then say bull.
This is a GAME, and being so should be fun and challenging with some goal. To you guys that love to horde, all you care about is the goal. How you get there is totally un-important. Becoming the "locust" mentioned before is fine by you. What happens after the locust have pasted? what happens if the locust are allowed to continue un check? Vast tracks of land become unusable. People move on. Mid-war use to have some dedicated squads in there, as well as Early-war. Funny how you don't see many in there any more, I guess they just moved on.
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Horde.
Not "hoard."
Sorry. Every time there is a "hoard" thread, I develop an twitch.
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On a serious note, flying with or against large missions is a lot of fun.
Taking and defending bases provides something to fight over. Otherwise, it is fur-ball lake in the DA. On a fun night, there is a suspense - a tension - on whether or not the base will fall.
I would rather fly into a mission bent on taking a base than a group of pickers.
The Devil's Brigade is generally a good bunch of guys that I enjoyed flying with and enjoy flying against. :salute
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:uhoh <---my response to Chalenge
Anyway Rob, I don't deny all the countries hoard up..been happening from day one. But I just don't understand the mentality of it and why so many enjoy avoiding a fight in a fighting game by bringing the numbers they do. If if wasn't you guys it'd be some other squad. I believe in sportmanship and giving my opponents a fair clean fight. I would get bored very quickly following around a mass of guys begging for scraps or a chance to beat a countryman to the field for a vulch or two. Apparently you and the majority of others enjoy just that. Well have at it. More power to ya. I've grown tired of trying to defend a base with 2 or 3 guys against whole 3 wing squads. SEA is where I probably need to be anyway.
Oh btw, I was checking out your squad forums last night and can't say I've ever seen a forum category solely for haters posts before. I'm honored to have made a place on it :devil :lol
http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t4-preferred-base-capture#bottom (http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t4-preferred-base-capture#bottom)
http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t16-vtard-haters (http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t16-vtard-haters)
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There's over 100 fields on that map. 42 players on Bishops and I bet you at least 30 of them were attacking the same field all at once. :rolleyes:
Maybe at least 30 of you should have been defending said field. Just a thought.
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Maybe at least 30 of you should have been defending said field. Just a thought.
We defend.
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http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t4-preferred-base-capture#bottom (http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t4-preferred-base-capture#bottom)
http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t16-vtard-haters (http://devilsvbrigade.forumshome.com/t16-vtard-haters)
Boy you guys talk a big game on your private forum.
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Boy you guys talk a big game on your private forum.
3. Town only takes like Dover says Lancs & an M3. Easiest if Dar is down otherwise element of surprise is lost. Works great on remote bases away from the front...meaning they won't expect us to attack there.
:rofl