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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Torquila on April 04, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
This style creates a home for new folks too. Remember that learning this game is tough no matter how much time you have on your hands. Horde squads buy people time to learn and subtract the frustrations of the game while allowing them to have fun by contributing to the greater good of the mission. They feel accomplished and rightly so. Mission: Capture a base...takeoff, mission accomplished. That feels pretty good in a game and in RL doesn't it?
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This style creates a home for new folks too. Remember that learning this game is tough no matter how much time you have on your hands. Horde squads buy people time to learn and subtract the frustrations of the game while allowing them to have fun by contributing to the greater good of the mission. They feel accomplished and rightly so. Mission: Capture a base...takeoff, mission accomplished. That feels pretty good in a game and in RL doesn't it?
Did for me. :aok
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This style creates a home for new folks too. Remember that learning this game is tough no matter how much time you have on your hands. Horde squads buy people time to learn and subtract the frustrations of the game while allowing them to have fun by contributing to the greater good of the mission. They feel accomplished and rightly so. Mission: Capture a base...takeoff, mission accomplished. That feels pretty good in a game and in RL doesn't it?
Worked for me :aok
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
good post :aok :salute
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
[EDIT:] changing my handle to vMackerel
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You guys do understand that they are doing nothing new. There has always been at least one squad, if not more with the same mentality going back forever.
This is hardly some new 'phenomenon'.
We get it. As long as they are having fun, they can be the flavor of the month squad. In the end it really doesn't matter beyond that.
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
That's how I stayed playing, got into Rolling Thunder back when Falcon23 was the CO and we ran horde runs all day.
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
:rolleyes: :noid :aok
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You guys do understand that they are doing nothing new. There has always been at least one squad, if not more with the same mentality going back forever.
This is hardly some new 'phenomenon'.
We get it. As long as they are having fun, they can be the flavor of the month squad. In the end it really doesn't matter beyond that.
Yeah but in those days you had time to get up a proper defense as the blimps and hot air balloons were pretty slow compared to the fast sleek toys of today. That and the Molotov cocktails they dropped couldn't take out your hangers....err tents. :bolt:
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I didn't know the V guys had a philosophy...other than perhaps 'no holds barred land war'
(meaning, they hate the land with such passion that they smash their planes into it at high speeds, hoping that the resulting explosions will scar the land permanently)
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
To be honest, never really thought of it this way, well said, my wattage amy have just increased an electron or 2.
:salute
HL
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You guys do understand that they are doing nothing new. There has always been at least one squad, if not more with the same mentality going back forever.
This is hardly some new 'phenomenon'.
We get it. As long as they are having fun, they can be the flavor of the month squad. In the end it really doesn't matter beyond that.
Speaking for myself Corky, I get it...I was simply making a point that its a bit of a prison gang/herd mentality for a lot of newbs. You get in the gang to survive and hide until you understand how the prison works. Pretty simply training program really but it has it's benefits....and significant drawbacks.
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Speaking for myself Corky, I get it...I was simply making a point that its a bit of a prison gang/herd mentality for a lot of newbs. You get in the gang to survive and hide until you understand how the prison works. Pretty simply training program really but it has it's benefits....and significant drawbacks.
Having been in the vguys squad, I can tell you that I never felt this way. Just a group of fun guys flying together thinking strategically how to win the war. Some are very experienced and some are new. We each had our tasks like take down town ack, VH, etc. The new guys are very proud when they accomplish their assigned goal. The experienced guys help the new guys along.
The constant put downs by the rest of you are largely ignored but over time do take some toll. :headscratch:
I left because they were mostly night shift and too focused on base takes and not individual fighter skills, although that may have changed by now. vDogfite, at the time, was a great CO. Lots of great guys in this squad. :aok
I have seen them take many bases with just five or six involved. :cheers:
:salute =v= :rock
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I never had a problem with the "v" guys. They play the game as they wish and so do we all. I never had a derogatory PM from them unlike members of our "Top" squads.
So :salute the "v"s adding to the fabric of the AH universe.
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Having been in the vguys squad, I can tell you that I never felt this way. Just a group of fun guys flying together thinking strategically how to win the war. Some are very experienced and some are new. We each had our tasks like take down town ack, VH, etc. the new guys at vey proud when they accomplish their assigned goal. The experienced guys help the new guys along.
The constant put downs by the rest of you are largely ignored but over time do take some toll. :headscratch:
I left because they were mostly night shift and too focused on base takes and not individual fighter skills, although that may have changed by now. vDogfite, at the time, wa a great CO. Lots of great guys in this squad. :aok
I have seen them take many bases with just five or six involved. :cheers:
:salute =v= :rock
Dogfite, has been down a tough road right now and working on trying to get back.
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Nothing wrong with team work and having goals. The downfall of using the 30v1 odds is obvious: they do not know what it means to work for a win. This type of "hand out the trophy to all players" does not lend for the desire to get better, it lends for a continued desire to "win" at any cost. Stop and think about it, if a player (especially a new player) is subject to easy wins and easy survival rates because of over whelming odds, then what happens if and when they get challenged?
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The V's are fun. :aok
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Nothing wrong with team work and having goals. The downfall of using the 30v1 odds is obvious: they do not know what it means to work for a win. This type of "hand out the trophy to all players" does not lend for the desire to get better, it lends for a continued desire to "win" at any cost. Stop and think about it, if a player (especially a new player) is subject to easy wins and easy survival rates because of over whelming odds, then what happens if and when they get challenged?
On the flip side, the learning curve and the level of ability of the base is such that if you dont have something like this for a new player, a lot of new blood will get their bellybutton totally shot off for a 2 week trial and find something else to do. Its a give and take. But either way, they arent cheating and its their squad to run it how they see fit regardless of any of our opinions on that.
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I'm waiting for the Rocky Road Squad to form.
That will definitely be my favorite flavor of the month squad. :D
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A mixed bunch for sure, some of the pilots in there are grade A flyers and have the technique, others really don't know what they are doing yet. As a whole, the 'v' folk are not bad, and their hording does not really bother me that much.
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Having been in the vguys squad, I can tell you that I never felt this way. Just a group of fun guys flying together thinking strategically how to win the war. Some are very experienced and some are new. We each had our tasks like take down town ack, VH, etc. The new guys are very proud when they accomplish their assigned goal. The experienced guys help the new guys along.
The constant put downs by the rest of you are largely ignored but over time do take some toll. :headscratch:
I left because they were mostly night shift and too focused on base takes and not individual fighter skills, although that may have changed by now. vDogfite, at the time, was a great CO. Lots of great guys in this squad. :aok
I have seen them take many bases with just five or six involved. :cheers:
:salute =v= :rock
Read my first post Midway. I'm neither congratulating them, nor putting them down. I am recognizing them for how they operate and why it's attractive to noobs. What isnt arguable is the sheer numbers a squad that large can throw at a base makes for easy-mode base-taking.
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Speaking for myself Corky, I get it...I was simply making a point that its a bit of a prison gang/herd mentality for a lot of newbs. You get in the gang to survive and hide until you understand how the prison works. Pretty simply training program really but it has it's benefits....and significant drawbacks.
I was responding to your prison gang comment. Never felt that way when I was with them. Just the opposite, more like a team/club with common interests and fun to learn and succeed. :aok
Never felt like I was hiding and died often to just reup again and support the effort to take a base or support the escort or fighter sweep. Guys are talking and joking during the flight out and concentrate on their tasks when they get to target. I've seen them take the time to drive across a sector with no GV spawn to take an airfield with just GVs (now that's dedication). No cowering or hiding from a fight, just wanting to get the task accomplished even if shot down multiple times.
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We each had our tasks like take down town ack, VH, etc. The new guys are very proud when they accomplish their assigned goal.
I still get excited when I take down a hanger.... :joystick:
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Too bad ACM, SA, and knowledge of your ride's abilities takes a back seat to learning how to exploit holes in the game with the V guys.
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Its quite apparent that those who fly under the 'v' name and others who play similarly are the main "life" of Aces High.
They present an unsurmountable challenge as a group to everyone, yet perform the basic duties of newbies by keeping those with "skill" well fed. They play seemingly detached from the technicalities of personal prowess but appear to be attached to the players around them.
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe better tactics (by their critics)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1m6IKiO26c#t=01m08
:airplane:
LMAO!
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This style creates a home for new folks too. Remember that learning this game is tough no matter how much time you have on your hands. Horde squads buy people time to learn and subtract the frustrations of the game while allowing them to have fun by contributing to the greater good of the mission. They feel accomplished and rightly so. Mission: Capture a base...takeoff, mission accomplished. That feels pretty good in a game and in RL doesn't it?
Sure, but doing just this is quite boring over time and an annoyance to other countries and same country team mates.
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I agree with the assessment, especially concerning their squad being a good home for new guys to learn. I also agree the "horde" approach is nothing new....the vDudes just seem to have "codified / refined" the approach. Good for them!
BTW - It's a matter of public record that I do make fun of the vDudes on 200. And yes, I use the terms "vTard", "vTardandos", etc....but like any other ribbing I dish out (e.g. Midway) its all in good fun. I personally don't "hate" anyone in AH....even the vTards. Besides.....they really DO make great targets! So they are :aok in my book!
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I was responding to your prison gang comment. Never felt that way when I was with them. Just the opposite, more like a team/club with common interests and fun to learn and succeed. :aok
And that plus the sheer number of people in the squad makes it easy for noobs to hide and learn....prison gang style. You made my point you just left out the squad size to try to make yours; # of people is what enables the prison yard gang protection.
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And that plus the sheer number of people in the squad makes it easy for noobs to hide and learn....prison gang style. You made my point you just left out the squad size to try to make yours; # of people is what enables the prison yard gang protection.
......you have watched to many prison movies. :aok
you cant really talk about what prison life is like, unless you have been there, and being a "screw"(guard) don't count.
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a few months back some guy asked why we were letting the vbishops roll our bases. most replied that we had already padded our score with their kills and now just wanted to have fun fighting the rooks.
i have seen many times 5 to 10 fighters fly right by me as I go on my way to kill their goons and not one of them turned to engage other than the pass by ho. have caught them many times at 15 to 20k as they just try to outrun my pony in their heavy planes, i follow them catch up to them kill them till i run out of ammo and they wont make a move to avoid other than trying to run.
not really sure if it's good or bad for the game. but all i know is that it is getting more boring each time we fight them.
semp
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And that plus the sheer number of people in the squad makes it easy for noobs to hide and learn....prison gang style. You made my point you just left out the squad size to try to make yours; # of people is what enables the prison yard gang protection.
:lol Never felt like I needed protection or hiding to learn. It was fun to try and accomplish the task against the odds, like a challenging obstacle course. On average there were maybe five or six v guys on at once with me and if there was some sort of protection by flying with them, I sure did get shot down a lot. Again, I do not see anything gang like, hiding, or otherwise negative with them. They are normal pilots just like many other squads, they just focus on base takes and winning the war more than most squads. They have their share of experienced players as well. I would recommend anyone that enjoys strategy and base taking to fly with them. They are fun guys oriented towards a goal. Nothing wrong with that. Nuff said. :salute :cheers:
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:lol Never felt like I needed protection or hiding to learn. It was fun to try and accomplish the task against the odds, like a challenging obstacle course. On average there were maybe five or six v guys on at once with me and if there was some sort of protection by flying with them, I sure did get shot down a lot. Again, I do not see anything gang like, hiding, or otherwise negative with them. They are normal pilots just like many other squads, they just focus on base takes and winning the war more than most squads. They have their share of experienced players as well. I would recommend anyone that enjoys strategy and base taking to fly with them. They are fun guys oriented towards a goal. Nothing wrong with that. Nuff said. :salute :cheers:
Change your board name.
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Change your board name.
No. I like my name. It is a good name :aok You? :headscratch:
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No. I like my name. It is a good name :aok You? :headscratch:
What is good about it.... You should get LucyXX :P
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:lol Never felt like I needed protection or hiding to learn. It was fun to try and accomplish the task against the odds, like a challenging obstacle course. On average there were maybe five or six v guys on at once with me and if there was some sort of protection by flying with them, I sure did get shot down a lot. Again, I do not see anything gang like, hiding, or otherwise negative with them. They are normal pilots just like many other squads, they just focus on base takes and winning the war more than most squads. They have their share of experienced players as well. I would recommend anyone that enjoys strategy and base taking to fly with them. They are fun guys oriented towards a goal. Nothing wrong with that. Nuff said. :salute :cheers:
You won't feel that way Mr Debate King, you aren't new, lmao! The reason you died a lot is...well, they are task oriented and the task wasn't to protect you. Additionally, it sounds like you flew with them when they only had 6 online. Now we're done, lol
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Don't fly goons directly from the launch base to the objective base. That's one thing we try to teach, it's sorta like bringing your lancers in at 5k and then wondering what happened.
Drool.
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nvm i read it wrong. need more coffee ......................hold on, no i didn't. Thanks for the intel vRob0 :devil
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Don't fly goons directly from the launch base to the objective base. That's one thing we try to teach, it's sorta like bringing your lancers in at 5k and then wondering what happened.
Drool.
Or do they...... :t
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Or do they...... :t
Yes it happens all the time and it drives me up the wall.
Goon Pilot: "I just got shot down"
Me: "Did you fly directly to the objective base from our nearest base?"
Goon Pilot : "Yes"
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Yes it happens all the time and it drives me up the wall.
Goon Pilot: "I just got shot down"
Me: "Did you fly directly to the objective base from our nearest base?"
Goon Pilot : "Yes"
Goon Pilot: "I could use some fighter cover over here."
vLeader: "A couple of you guys stop vulching and cover the goon."
vHorde: "Um, do what...?"
;)
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Goon Pilot: "I could use some fighter cover over here."
vLeader: "A couple of you guys stop vulching and cover the goon."
vHorde: "Um, do what...?"
;)
Oh give us a break. You know as well as I do that when 30 or 80 P-38s hit the field, even though of most pilots auger or hit the tower, the base still gets closed.
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Oh give us a break. You know as well as I do that when 30 or 80 P-38s hit the field, even though of most pilots auger or hit the tower, the base still gets closed.
LOL. Ah, the myths of AH...
Actually, you've been leaving hangers up and vulching lately. Of course your missions have gotten larger, so when you have 30+ circling the base (in B-38s or otherwise), that is as easy to do as close it. Maybe that's the amazing "change" vTrooper is claiming? You're adapting more of a vPotW style, eh?
Some of us do still up from adjacent bases to kill those unprotected goons, though. I got 3 of yours just yesterday! :aok
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I have always said "V's" were good for the game.
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I have never been in there squad. But I was new to this game once. And when I was learning the game and it was moving way faster than I was, have numbers around help keep me airborn for longer. It all grew from there.
Let them have there fun, you can only roll so many bases before guys will get tired of it.
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:rofl :huh :furious :rofl :huh :furious Midway is funny. :rofl :huh :furious :rofl :huh :furious
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I'm waiting for the Rocky Road Squad to form.
That will definitely be my favorite flavor of the month squad. :D
It might be a good squad. Until you added all the nuts...
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Taking bases relies mostly on intent. I've been Bish lately and Knights as well. What I see is bish have more intent. Knights not so much. Rooks somewhere in between. Oh, Knights go after bases but it turns into a shooting gallery more than not. Nothing wrong with that but you can't complain about some one else enjoying another aspect of the game.
Most of the time they come straight at you these days. When you see a horde why not challenge them. Plenty of opportunity to get some kills and learn how to handle multiple targets.
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Nothing wrong with team work and having goals. The downfall of using the 30v1 odds is obvious: they do not know what it means to work for a win. This type of "hand out the trophy to all players" does not lend for the desire to get better, it lends for a continued desire to "win" at any cost. Stop and think about it, if a player (especially a new player) is subject to easy wins and easy survival rates because of over whelming odds, then what happens if and when they get challenged?
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When they get challenged they learn. I have never understood the bashing the "elitists" give them for doing what they want to do.
Muttman
Sick Pups
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I have never understood the bashing the "elitists" give them for doing what they want to do.
Muttman
Sick Pups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZLVi4v7lSM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I always follow vguys who are trying to rtb and they always lead me straight to the c47s inbound.
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Joining a whorde squad is a progression nearly EVERYone passes through. (OF course, some don't move onward :headscratch:)
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My biggest criticism of the V fellas is the capture, run, and hide routine. If they would stay and defend it would facilitate some good action. But it's their dime and I doubt Slash27's wishes are high on the priority list during mission planning.
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But it's their dime and I doubt Slash27's wishes are high on the priority list during mission planning.
Well they should be.
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Yeah, no one listens to me in this joint. :rolleyes:
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^ did he say something?
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:(
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Taking bases relies mostly on intent. I've been Bish lately and Knights as well. What I see is bish have more intent. Knights not so much. Rooks somewhere in between. Oh, Knights go after bases but it turns into a shooting gallery more than not. Nothing wrong with that but you can't complain about some one else enjoying another aspect of the game.
Most of the time they come straight at you these days. When you see a horde why not challenge them. Plenty of opportunity to get some kills and learn how to handle multiple targets.
we were talking about that on squad night. I told them i didnt defend against the vbishops anymore because it gets boring. you get behind one of them and they make no attempt to evade they just try to outrun you so they can drop their bombs. i normally run out of bullets killing them like that, after a while it gets boring so I dont bother anymore. and this is from a guy who loves to vulch the field, heck at least the planes on the runway put more of a fight.
semp