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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: hawkeye61 on April 05, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
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Anyone able to give some out?
I'm a decent 109 stick, but know there are others who can and often do fly circles around me - get the plane to do some crazy things while in control, whereas I push and pull too much, stall or get a wing drop, then get ded. I prefer the F, G-2, and G-6 for dogfighting, though I'll hop in the others here and there. I usually save the G-14 and K for buff-hunting with all the heavy cannon I can carry.
Just looking for some gouge to get me thinking about the right things when I'm fighting.
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Anyone in Army of Muppets or Kommando Nowotny is going to be above average in the 109, and all are a great bunch of guys.
Ask them, I'm sure someone will be willing to give you a bit of training.
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Anyone in Army of Muppets or Kommando Nowotny is going to be above average in the 109, and all are a great bunch of guys.
Ask them, I'm sure someone will be willing to give you a bit of training.
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PM "JOACH1M" ingame. He loves to help out a bit :) :cheers:
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hawkeye61,
I'd volanteer but I'm already tied up all week with other students and squad stuff. Morfiend would be a good trainer to get a hold of us far as German Iron goes, send him a PM.
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BigRat
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I'm a good Thunderbolt stick, they're just as deadly as a 109.
Nobody knows the potential of the Tbolt, everybody is always packing ords. However if you get light packages, and 25% or 50% fuel w/ an alt advantage you can pretty much beat the hell out of everything else. Oh and at thirty thousand feet you match the top speed of a 262.
-FMJ
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Thanks all, will look some people up.
FMJ, the Jug is a solid fighter - when I rage around in a Jug, I prefer to rage in a D-11. The razorback is so cool looking, I'll take the poor rearward view any day. :rock
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i recommend searching for Agent360s post in here. He posted some good tutorials some time ago.
Grizz had a decent post about aiming the 30mm in here too.
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here are Agent360's post
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261486.0.html
...and Grizz's 30mm shot post
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280043.0.html
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I'm a good Thunderbolt stick, they're just as deadly as a 109.
Nobody knows the potential of the Tbolt, everybody is always packing ords. However if you get light packages, and 25% or 50% fuel w/ an alt advantage you can pretty much beat the hell out of everything else. Oh and at thirty thousand feet you match the top speed of a 262.
-FMJ
:headscratch: what does this have to do with 109 training? :headscratch:
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I'd take Joachim up with his offer, he is after all the best 109 Stick in game right now :rock
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Is their a 109 clinic film like the P38 clinic film that Delirium has done?
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I'd take Joachim up with his offer, he is after all the best 109 Stick in game right now :rock
Quite a few TopGun excel in the 109k, I would give Debrody a shout if you want to know anything about the 109g6.
I know the muppets have some films of someone I forget the name, who was one of the best K4 sticks, would have to hunt down their website and see if its still posted.
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Is their a 109 clinic film like the P38 clinic film that Delirium has done?
Agents films are great for learning the 109. The narrated ones he tells you what he is doing and why. Great stuff
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Agents films are great for learning the 109. The narrated ones he tells you what he is doing and why. Great stuff
Agreed,I recommend them to most players looking for 109 training.
I had a chance to spend some time with Hawkeye,I thing he knows more than he let on but thats ok. Basically what most players need is not plane specific training because basically they are pretty much the same.Sure there are a few things some planes do better than others but it comes down to tactics and plane control.
Most fights are won or lost at the merge so learning how to merge and the timing of it can make all the difference in the world. Then there's Morf's ABC's of dogfighting,Always Be Climbing! Get on top and you can dictate the fight,most players miss this at the merge and give up position then wonder why they lost the fight.
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Nothing to see here, Im just a typical 109k4 noob :banana:
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Thanks again for the help Morfiend. The training was very worthwhile. Perhaps you're right about the plane specific training - not too much special about the 109, but you helped me clean up my merge a bit which went a long way. Probably need to tighten up the basic tactics a bit and the plane specifics should fall into place after that.
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hawkeye61 ,
"not too much special about the 109", not entirely true. One thing the 109 is great at teaching someone, and that is throttle control. Master the throttle in a 109, and the throttle work in the rest of the planeset is much easier.
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BigRat
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hawkeye61 ,
"not too much special about the 109", not entirely true. One thing the 109 is great at teaching someone, and that is throttle control. Master the throttle in a 109, and the throttle work in the rest of the planeset is much easier.
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BigRat
Very good point! :aok
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Don't ignore the E model, it flies by itself, Even a non skilled dweeb like myself gets some kills in it.
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Thanks again for the help Morfiend. The training was very worthwhile. Perhaps you're right about the plane specific training - not too much special about the 109, but you helped me clean up my merge a bit which went a long way. Probably need to tighten up the basic tactics a bit and the plane specifics should fall into place after that.
Are you serious? The 109 is one of the most unique planes in the game, especially the later models. When someone asks how a 109 flys, there isn't any comparison to other aircraft that really captures the essence of what you're talking about.
109's fly like 109's, and really require their own flying style.
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Are you serious? The 109 is one of the most unique planes in the game, especially the later models. When someone asks how a 109 flys, there isn't any comparison to other aircraft that really captures the essence of what you're talking about.
109's fly like 109's, and really require their own flying style.
Same goes for every other plane genius.
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To a lesser degree, yes. But then I would have said the same if he had said that theres 'not much special about the P-51', or 'not much special about the C205'.
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L*** W****e!
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Same goes for every other plane genius.
Exactly, most players forget "Oh the spitfire only does circles" - if you look at other attributes every aircraft is unique in its own sense, no two planes come closely alike. Even the age old Spit 1 vs 109E argument isn't valid as the 109E could dive and the Spit 1 couldn't.
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hawkeye61 ,
"not too much special about the 109", not entirely true. One thing the 109 is great at teaching someone, and that is throttle control. Master the throttle in a 109, and the throttle work in the rest of the planeset is much easier.
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BigRat
Several of you missed the point,Hawkeye and I didnt spend much time on anything to do with the 109's. Yes there are several things I could have shown him specific to the 109's but I thought it would be more useful to work on merging and a few simple reversals/defencive moves.
I'm sure he understands that each and every plane is slightly different but that doesnt mean much when you havent got the basics down.Once he has some practice with that,then I'd move on to plane specific work.
Unfortunately this takes more than 1 session and I dont like to spend more than an hour at a time because it's too much to process and after an hour I'm about wore out!
I think this is a case of reading into things too much,both Hawkeye and I know what we covered and it had little to do with 109's in particular.
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PS: wasnt pointing you out BR,just the first of a couple posts that went astray
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To a lesser degree, yes. But then I would have said the same if he had said that theres 'not much special about the P-51', or 'not much special about the C205'.
How can you say "to a lesser degree"? Every airplane fly differently from another!! 109 is no more different than anyother plane ingame.
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Shh ladies... Joachim is right in this question.
Fly a ki84, very close to the 109, except flap speeds. Turnfight in an M-jug, or a light D model, the feeling will be close enough to a 109. 190 models, spit16, all can do the same moves as a 109.
I would say, if you would like to pick the most unique plane in AH, that would be the P38.
Btw i wouldnt mind some training... if youre better than me, i can learn from you, and vice versa... nothing to lose :cheers:
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How can you say "to a lesser degree"? Every airplane fly differently from another!! 109 is no more different than anyother plane ingame.
P-47 and Typhoon fly more like eachother than the 109 flys like the 190. The 109 isn't really comparable to anything else, you can't say 'it flys like a turnier 190'. That just doesn't work. But the Typhoon can fairly reasonably be compared to a slightly faster, but poorer diving and quirker P-47.
By this I mean that the P-47 and Tyhpoon are both energy fighters. Neither really will want to play the turning game, and both are going to employ simmilar tactics.
But the 109 and 190, while both able to play the E-game, are more different. The 109 is rather limited in its diving, and is much more able to mix things up. The two will use different tactics for the same situation.
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P-47 and Typhoon fly more like eachother than the 109 flys like the 190.
no complete different torque. The 109 isn't really comparable to anything else, you can't say 'it flys like a turnier 190'. That just doesn't work.
you can't say a p51 is a spit8 that turns worse.
By this I mean that the P-47 and Tyhpoon are both energy fighters. Neither really will want to play the turning game.
p47's can turn fairly well! Can't just dump your speed down below 200
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And you miss the point I was trying to make. Not too suprising though.
no complete different torque.
similar tactics though, and thats important when trying to describe how a plane flys.
you can't say a p51 is a spit8 that turns worse.
completly irrelevent, I never said you could.
p47's can turn fairly well! Can't just dump your speed down below 200
Again, I never said it couldn't. I said it won't want to, which is true. Turning naturally bleeds energy in the form of speed. The P-47 will have to kill an oponent he turns with fairly quickly, or become disadvantaged.
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And you miss the point I was trying to make. Not too suprising though.
how ironic! :rolleyes:
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Several of you missed the point,Hawkeye and I didnt spend much time on anything to do with the 109's. Yes there are several things I could have shown him specific to the 109's but I thought it would be more useful to work on merging and a few simple reversals/defencive moves.
I'm sure he understands that each and every plane is slightly different but that doesnt mean much when you havent got the basics down.Once he has some practice with that,then I'd move on to plane specific work.
Unfortunately this takes more than 1 session and I dont like to spend more than an hour at a time because it's too much to process and after an hour I'm about wore out!
I think this is a case of reading into things too much,both Hawkeye and I know what we covered and it had little to do with 109's in particular.
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^This.
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Thanks for the training films Agent, <S>.
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I sure wish Agent360s films were on YouTube since my Windows media player will not run the format in many of the films posted including Agent360s. He does have a nice write up about flying the 109 that can be printed and is loaded with great information on the 109.
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you need to use the Aces High film viewer to view the films. In your aces High folder will be ahfilm.exe file. Double click the film file, use the "browse" button to browse to the ahfilm.exe file and check the box to use the file for the association. This way everytime you double click an Aces High film the veiwer will load automatically and play the film.
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Honestly my choice of 109 differs from other people(s). I'm probably the only person out of three that like the 109G2. What I don't understand is why they go with the G-14 and G-6, the G-2 easily beats those planes in the low battles. It's very good, it climbs well, dives well, it's quick, and can turn on a Spitfire at times. What I don't like about it though is that the wheel base is small, I'm used to it being wider on the Jug.
Skinnier = Less Balance
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I'm with you on that one metal. I much prefer the G2 over the G6 and the G14. In fact, those are the ONLY two 109's not in my favorites list.
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(http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/92039/500x400/messerschmitt-bf-109-e-3-emil.jpg)
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Hmm I prefer the G6 over G2 for the 13mms. That way I don't have to waste cannon ammo on targets that I've saddled. Otherwise, I can't really tell the difference between the two. Tried both for a day, G6's 13mms helps to save those precious cannon rounds for more meaty targets.
I almost broke your 10 kills/1 sortie Debrody! No gondies too! Got to 9 before running outta ammo in tank town (no Bnzing either! :P), next time I see ya we'll have to wing up and I'll have to try again.
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Hmm I prefer the G6 over G2 for the 13mms. That way I don't have to waste cannon ammo on targets that I've saddled. Otherwise, I can't really tell the difference between the two. Tried both for a day, G6's 13mms helps to save those precious cannon rounds for more meaty targets.
I almost broke your 10 kills/1 sortie Debrody! No gondies too! Got to 9 before running outta ammo in tank town (no Bnzing either! :P), next time I see ya we'll have to wing up and I'll have to try again.
I started out with the G2 and upgraded to G6 then G14, for clear reasons - I like the 20mm and the faster 109 to catch runners, if the G10 ever comes back into play it would be a nice addition.
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My only add to this thread is make the distinction between 1v1 and squad ops. Two different styles.
Boo
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My only add to this thread is make the distinction between 1v1 and squad ops. Two different styles.
Boo
meaningless...
wannna get good in the 109, go and find people to duel... weather your in a squad or by yourself, it the repetitive practice makes a huge difference. Exclusively stick to it for 4 or 5 mo, then you will get good, if you bounce around trying different planes, your 'muscle memory' will be off and you wont be able to take the plane to its edge.
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I almost broke your 10 kills/1 sortie Debrody! No gondies too! Got to 9 before running outta ammo in tank town (no Bnzing either! :P), next time I see ya we'll have to wing up and I'll have to try again.
Hehe, GJ dude! Honestly i cant really remember getting 10 without rearming, did 9 a couple times tho, and yea, only was jumping some of them from above... i cant beat 10 spits/f4us in equal duel situations.
Aye, would be fun to wing up... if i come back once, hehe... I was a pretty poor wingman tho, always died, also got lingual difficulties...
Til then, GL
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Hehe, GJ dude! Honestly i cant really remember getting 10 without rearming, did 9 a couple times tho, and yea, only was jumping some of them from above... i cant beat 10 spits/f4us in equal duel situations.
Aye, would be fun to wing up... if i come back once, hehe... I was a pretty poor wingman tho, always died, also got lingual difficulties...
Til then, GL
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Hmm, 2 or 3 were bombers, the rest were mostly Jabos so I kinda cheated too. :D
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FYI...
Deb and I used to duel all the time.... duel == practice... it works don't believe me? hope this helps
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/ahss21-1.jpg)
(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/blahblah185/ahss17.png)
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I thought i was flying allright til Bunny showed me how to fly the 109, how to go post-stall... was like when you open a window and see a new world outside instead of your closed room...
Then i met Krupinski... and realized how awesome the outside world is and how insanely long the way is to improve... and it was the best fun to explore the unknown, pull new moves i never knew they are possible before...
Dueling is the fundament of everything. Find one who beats you all the time, call him to 1v1, and stick with him til you can beat him most of the time. Then find an even better one...
Belive me, you wont get bored!
Best wishes.
:aok
"You take a mortal man
And put him in control
Whatch him become a god
Whatch peoples heads a'roll"
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I thought i was flying allright til Bunny showed me how to fly the 109, how to go post-stall... was like when you open a window and see a new world outside instead of your closed room...
Then i met Krupinski... and realized how awesome the outside world is and how insanely long the way is to improve... and it was the best fun to explore the unknown, pull new moves i never knew they are possible before...
Dueling is the fundament of everything. Find one who beats you all the time, call him to 1v1, and stick with him til you can beat him most of the time. Then find an even better one...
Belive me, you wont get bored!
Best wishes.
:aok
"You take a mortal man
And put him in control
Whatch him become a god
Whatch peoples heads a'roll"
FYI...
Deb and I used to duel all the time.... duel == practice... it works don't believe me? hope this helps
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/ahss21-1.jpg)
(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/blahblah185/ahss17.png)
I DA people when I can, although 9/10, no one accepts the offer. I've had fun with Deb, Krup, Redbull, Irishone and a few others with 109s. I'll learn that tail slide/flip move some day! :old: Most of the time, I win because I keep watch of my E and my opponent's E and when I see I have more, I rope and go for the kill on the way down. Rarely do I win through TnB ACM, with all the fancy throttle work and rudder and fancy tailslides and moves, which is why I lose most of the time :lol. I'm an E fighter, true to heart, can't escape it. Can't do those fancy ACMs without me ending up in the ground or in a ball of flame. :airplane:
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Nothing wrong with E fighting. Grow a thick skin though.
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Nothing wrong with E fighting. Grow a thick skin though.
Or grow some hair on the peaches and fight it out.
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Or grow some hair on the peaches and fight it out.
It is a different style of fighting neither is better or worse than the other.
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I DA people when I can, although 9/10, no one accepts the offer.
here is a trick... challenge their cartoon egos.... you'd be surprised how many old men are so desperate to prove themselves.
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It is a different style of fighting neither is better or worse than the other.
That's fine and dandy untill your forced to fight and then stuck squirming around like a fish out of water because you never fought anyone.
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That's fine and dandy untill your forced to fight and then stuck squirming around like a fish out of water because you never fought anyone.
I think you missed my point. Which does not surprise me.
It takes both skill sets to be good. You can't do only one and be decent.
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I <3 K4's...
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I think you missed my point.
what are you trying to prove? Does running around diving down from 5k advantage and zooming back up allow you to "learn" a plane?
Only way to learn a plane is to fly it on edge!
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90% can't or won't learn how to do it, they stick to the BnZ and pretend they are anything good. I run across 1 good 109 stick out of dozens, I know whose good and whose just an average stick who picks.
Most of us with any concept of ACM can figure out who knows what. I flew against Agent360 enough times, I can't think of many who could challenge his status as one of the top k pilots period.
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BnZing from 5k away wont teach you anything, its clean enough for everyone.
But in a duel situation, if your opponent is burning too much E forcing the overshoot, rope him! (thats how i get killed most of the time haha) Its a crazy chess game only burning a little bit much energy than your opponent to be able to catch him on the rope but still getting the edge at the start of the scissors, or realize youre about to overshoot and save the situation with a well timed rope... and aye, its takes a LOAD of skills. This method works against every style i ever met, and in the worst case you start the scissors from an equal position. There is an other skill set required to actually win the scissors, even from advantage. In my book they count with an equal weight. Other thing, i tryed to avoid E-fighting, sometimes even against zeeks or hurries... i got killed a LOT, thanks to my lack of skills.
I fought both with Titan and Sukov, neither of them are BnZ homies, so chill, mud wrestlers... especially Jo, you completely misunderstood Sukov.
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Nothing wrong with E fighting. Grow a thick skin though.
Oh I've been called plenty of names and I don't care. In my opinion, you can pick and BnZ as much as you like, as long as you have the skill to make it up in a TnB 1v1 situation. If all you do is pick and *run*, oh god, especially *RUN*, then you're a muffin. Only time I'll ever run is when: A. No ammo/fuel B. Critical damage (radiator/PW/flaps) or C. There's just too many to handle (4+). I pick all the time, I admit it, but when I get caught, I don't run, I stick it out and fight unless A,B,C happens. C happens way too much though :noid.
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In my opinion, you can pick and BnZ as much as you like, as long as you have the skill to make it up in a TnB 1v1 situation.
So if youre skilled, you got the rights to pick like a mofo? Got a headache reading your lines...
IMO skills will never justify the lame behaviour, even making it worse. Okay, BnZ when there are more opponents than buddies, pick in a 10v10 or 5v5, noone excepts you to fight 1v1 in a many vs many...
Still, if you think you got skills, you "dont have to" jump in if you see a good 1v1 underneath you. Its better knowing where the line is between being smart and gay.
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Its better knowing where the line is between being smart and gay.
So, you're saying homosexuals are... dumb?? :confused: :rolleyes:
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Oh I've been called plenty of names and I don't care. In my opinion, you can pick and BnZ as much as you like, as long as you have the skill to make it up in a TnB 1v1 situation. If all you do is pick and *run*, oh god, especially *RUN*, then you're a muffin. Only time I'll ever run is when: A. No ammo/fuel B. Critical damage (radiator/PW/flaps) or C. There's just too many to handle (4+). I pick all the time, I admit it, but when I get caught, I don't run, I stick it out and fight unless A,B,C happens. C happens way too much though :noid.
Here is the thing...
I have rarely seen people actually BnZ correctly. Most of the time their success hinges on being on the numerically superior side and picking or running. In another thread, I said skill is making the others wanting to come back for more.
Do you want more of some dude diving from 20k, picking your, then running away? or would you rather play with someone who is willing to get in and dirty with ya, where BOTH of you have your adrenalin pumping and the outcome is not sealed until the very end.
This is a game, you have nothing on the line, so 'easy' kills will quickly devolve into a snooze fest.
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what are you trying to prove? Does running around diving down from 5k advantage and zooming back up allow you to "learn" a plane?
Only way to learn a plane is to fly it on edge!
My point once again is you need to be able to do both things.
E fighting is more than BnZ. If you have ever fought from a disadvantage trying to equalize E states or force the over shoot you E fought.
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My point once again is you need to be able to do both things.
E fighting is more than BnZ. If you have ever fought from a disadvantage trying to equalize E states or force the over shoot you E fought.
Your definition of E fighting is different from mine.
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Excuse me but this is help and training forum,most of this thread has little to do with help and/or training and has developed into a purse fight with some of "look at me" thrown in.
Please take this to the Oclub or GD forum unless you have something to add that will assist player.Discussing how lame one style is verses the other isnt constructive at all.
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Excuse me but this is help and training forum,most of this thread has little to do with help and/or training and has developed into a purse fight with some of "look at me" thrown in.
Please take this to the Oclub or GD forum unless you have something to add that will assist player.Discussing how lame one style is verses the other isnt constructive at all.
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Well I don't see any purses. Not much look at me either. Maybe a bit of back seat modding but I guess that is natural. You missed my point as well no fighting style is better or worse than the other.
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Well I don't see any purses. Not much look at me either. Maybe a bit of back seat modding but I guess that is natural. You missed my point as well no fighting style is better or worse than the other.
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Real men fly Emils :bolt:
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Real men fly Emils :bolt:
Now its my turn to ask...
How you can evade an enemy attack in the Emil? Its turn and climb rate isnt that good, i couldnt force it to perform the snaproll i like to use in the later models, its slow speed roll rate is horrible for me, also i couldnt make it do the torque/tailwhip reversal tricks as with the g6/k4. Im an epic fail flying it. But you know what im talking about, you killed me every single time when we fought in Emils.
Could you post some intense Emil-dogfight films please, where youre doing your best, for example, outscissoring a spit flown by an experienced player?
Thank you in advance.
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Only way to learn a plane is to fly it on edge!
Real men fly Emils :bolt:
For once, I agree whole heartedly with Joachim and Dolby. You only really learn your plane when you push things, and see exactly what it can and can't do.
And real men do fly Emils, or similarly disadvantaged aircraft.
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Now its my turn to ask...
How you can evade an enemy attack in the Emil? Its turn and climb rate isnt that good, i couldnt force it to perform the snaproll i like to use in the later models, its slow speed roll rate is horrible for me, also i couldnt make it do the torque/tailwhip reversal tricks as with the g6/k4. Im an epic fail flying it. But you know what im talking about, you killed me every single time when we fought in Emils.
Could you post some intense Emil-dogfight films please, where youre doing your best, for example, outscissoring a spit flown by an experienced player?
Thank you in advance.
Dolby is a Emil beast, along with AntiTank, love fighting both of them! :aok :cheers:
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Now its my turn to ask...
How you can evade an enemy attack in the Emil? Its turn and climb rate isnt that good, i couldnt force it to perform the snaproll i like to use in the later models, its slow speed roll rate is horrible for me, also i couldnt make it do the torque/tailwhip reversal tricks as with the g6/k4. Im an epic fail flying it. But you know what im talking about, you killed me every single time when we fought in Emils.
Could you post some intense Emil-dogfight films please, where youre doing your best, for example, outscissoring a spit flown by an experienced player?
Thank you in advance.
Evading is tricky at times
General evasion - turn and loop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlDKhCquuU&feature=player_detailpage#t=254s
I do a wingover roll tailside thing;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PL0C2B03C2B7D0E40F&v=vF0omJyT-Z4#t=50s
and climbing barrelroll;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PL0C2B03C2B7D0E40F&v=vF0omJyT-Z4#t=131s
I don't think I very often commit to trying doing the scissors.. and any experience Spit16 flying would only runaway from me then commit to a BnZ.
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Dolby is a Emil beast, along with AntiTank, love fighting both of them! :aok :cheers:
It won't be long until Raphael's kicking my behind consistantly.
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Brody, in the 109E, you're not going to scissor with just about anything. Its just not going to happen.
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:P :noid
Spit 16's are not a problem at all, when you fight a spit 5 in LW then there is a problem because most likely these guys know what they are doing.
but the only thing that I've learned from flying with JG5 in our uber rides is that they are to intimidating... a big percentage of our fights end up with the enemy going away.. I guess it's the Paint scheme. to scary.
Still, Dolby is za masta of the Emil and saves my butt more then I get to put holes in the enemy (not that we gang with our huge hoard). Might be just me but it seems the Emil is harder to aim (the cannons I mean) then the later models.
Then again back to my original point on my previous post
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/Bf-109E-JG5-((+-Scholz/images/1-Bf-109E-III.JG5-((+-Gunther-Scholz-Petsamo-Finland-1942-03.jpg) :noid
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Brody, in the 109E, you're not going to scissor with just about anything. Its just not going to happen.
You need to face Brody first, as akak pointed out in other threads - you might actually learn quite a bit from him.
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What came through from those films, youre planning the situations to use your good instanteous turn rate instead of the rolling, right? In the G/K when someone came behind me, i often used the "let him come, 2-3 quick snaprolls will make him overshoot anyway" tactic. It worked sometimes, when the opponent was a "runaway spit" type, they thought they got the edge and stayed just as long as i got behind them : )
Maybe thats why you won the duels too, i was trying to set up my usual overshoot (what did not work, of course) and you could out-turn me easily when i was struggling.
Thanks, :salute
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You need to face Brody first, as akak pointed out in other threads - you might actually learn quite a bit from him.
Sorry, but you're really just wrong in this case. !09E lacks the roll rate to really scissor effectively with much of the plane set.
And even if it were only a matter of skill, when comparing two planes, you HAVE to assume equal pilot skill. Otherwise you're not comparing the planes, you're comparing the ability of the pilots to exploit respective advanages and disadvantages.
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Sorry, but you're really just wrong in this case. !09E lacks the roll rate to really scissor effectively with much of the plane set.
And even if it were only a matter of skill, when comparing two planes, you HAVE to assume equal pilot skill. Otherwise you're not comparing the planes, you're comparing the ability of the pilots to exploit respective advanages and disadvantages.
Just because YOU can't roll the 109e doesn't mean EVERYONE else can't either!
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No, but because the 109E rolls worse than most of the plane set, it will scissor worse than most of the plane set given equal pilot skill. Its turning might help it AFTER they reverse, but its not much help if they get caught in a crossing shot as they're trying to roll around for the reversal.
Say what you will about me, and I could fly the 109E decently, when you try and argue against set, solid preformance numbers, you're in a losing argument.
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No, but because the 109E rolls worse than most of the plane set, it will scissor worse than most of the plane set given equal pilot skill. Its turning might help it AFTER they reverse, but its not much help if they get caught in a crossing shot as they're trying to roll around for the reversal.
Say what you will about me, and I could fly the 109E decently, when you try and argue against set, solid preformance numbers, you're in a losing argument.
You are not even actively playing, and haven't in a long time, and I highly doubt you were very good because a good pilot can make the Emil roll with ease.
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I never said it can't roll, I said it can't roll as well as most of the plane set, which is unarguably true.
Come on people, things aren't black and white. Its not either something is incapable of rolling, or it rolls great. Learn to read, and acknowledge the middle of the spectrum, and you'll appear a lot smarter.
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I haven't played the game in a while, and maybe there are a lot of new people who are very good at the 109, but back when I was playing a lot, I'd say that any one here looking for advice should give greater weight to posts posted by AoM members, DrSpeck and Jochim and few others over all the noise here.
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Thanks ardy! Remember that time I dove on you at in one reverse you taterd me :D I was so mad lol
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Oh and tankace..... The Emil can roll just fine with some rudder :)
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I never said it can't roll, I said it can't roll as well as most of the plane set, which is unarguably true.
have you ever heard of a snap roll? Every below average 109 pilot can do it, but then again your way below average so I guess in your mind your right.
Learn to read, and acknowledge the middle of the spectrum, and you'll appear a lot smarter.
Take your own advice sonny...
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I haven't played the game in a while, and maybe there are a lot of new people who are very good at the 109, but back when I was playing a lot, I'd say that any one here looking for advice should give greater weight to posts posted by AoM members, DrSpeck and Jochim and few others over all the noise here.
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Thanks ardy! Remember that time I dove on you at in one reverse you taterd me :D I was so mad lol
If you talking about that time when it was only me on the deck over a base with 50+ red guys around, yeah, I remember, that was fun... I knew it was someone good when we got to scrapping.
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FYI, I was your best friend Tobias.....
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If you talking about that time when it was only me on the deck over a base with 50+ red guys around, yeah, I remember, that was fun... I knew it was someone good when we got to scrapping.
FYI, I was your best friend Tobias.....
Yes I happen to be in a horde lol! It might have been a furball then the brigade came :D
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FYI, I was your best friend Tobias.....
Now that's a turn up for the books.
I'd've never associated you with such tomfoolery.
Such a shame, what a waste.
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Now that's a turn up for the books.
I'd've never associated you with such tomfoolery.
Such a shame, what a waste.
its ok Dolby, we understand... no shame in having a man-crush on o'l tobie the 'never nude'....
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Ooops, wrong thread... carry on.