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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JOACH1M on April 09, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
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MA
+A = AM
What does a and m equal?
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XO status removed. :D
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M=8 A=9
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M=1 A=0
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MA
+A = AM
What does a and m equal?
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It equals a headache :lol
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XO status removed. :D
Did you even finish highschool? :DM=8 A=9
<3 :cheers:
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M=1 A=0
What he said
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What he said
Wrong
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A=0
M=R
=>
A+M=R
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Wrong
MA + A = AM
0(1)+0 = 1(0)
Seems equal to me, but what do I know...
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2*0 + 0 = 0*2
2 != 1
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M != 1
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What does a and m equal?
Breakfast
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M=8 A=9
MA+A=AM
(M+1)A=AM
A=0
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you guys lost me....... :(
wanna have a drawing contest :D
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why put the brackets in?
89+9=98
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why put the brackets in?
89+9=98
how do you get the 8..9 from M..... A..... :headscratch:
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why put the brackets in?
89+9=98
because iirc two letters/numbers next to each other such as XY or MA in this case, implies X times Y or M times A. Or 9A is 9 times A
Therefor 8*9=72 + 9 = 81 which does NOT equal 72
However math class was a long time ago so I could be completely wrong :lol
and if A does in fact = 0 in this example, M can equal any number you want as RTH pointed out.
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because iirc two letters/numbers next to each other such as XY or MA in this case, implies X times Y or M times A. Or 9A is 9 times A
and now MY head hurts :bhead
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because iirc two letters/numbers next to each other such as XY or MA in this case, implies X times Y or M times A. Or 9A is 9 times A
Therefor 8*9=72 + 9 = 81 which does NOT equal 72
That is what I thought as well.
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MA+A=AM
(M+1)A=AM
A=0
I interpreted it as unknown individual digits, which I'm fairly certain was the intent. Not multiplication.
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why put the brackets in?
89+9=98
Because without brackets it doesn't comply with math nomenclature, hence the question isn't "math question" anylonger, but "trick question" and OP should have never titled the thread she did.
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how do you get the 8..9 from M..... A..... :headscratch:
only through logic, find numbers that fit and
89+9=98
ma=a=am
but I think Silver and Bighorn actually are correct in what they are teaching me. I'm a reasonable problem solver but i certainly am not a good mathematician :)
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I interpreted it as unknown individual digits, which I'm fairly certain was the intent. Not multiplication.
^^ this.
usually two adjacent variables means multiplication. However, in this question they are meant to represent the values of the one's and ten's places in a double digit number.
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only through logic, find numbers that fit and
89+9=98
ma=a=am
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very bad explanation :old:
someone help me here....
the letters could be anything.....
89+9=98
ZT+T=TZ.....
I have no clue as to how you get from M, A, to 8, 9,.....
why/how does M.... A...... represent 8...... 9
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very bad explanation :old:
someone help me here....
the letters could be anything.....
89+9=98
ZT+T=TZ.....
I have no clue as to how you get from M, A, to 8, 9,.....
why/how does M.... A...... represent 8...... 9
yes any letters like your example.
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It isn't a Math question as it was advertised then.
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However, in this question they are meant to represent the values of the one's and ten's places in a double digit number.
[citation needed]
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I have no clue as to how you get from M, A, to 8, 9,.....
why/how does M.... A...... represent 8...... 9
Ask your homeboy grizz.
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MA
+A = AM
What does a and m equal?
why is it shifted?
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yes any letters like your example.
thank you.....
math makes me :bhead
if I tried I could work through it, if I had a book that gave me directions on how to go about it.......
I didn't read those type books while in school :(
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What does a and m equal?
crappy football team that fumbles a lot
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:lol
crappy football team that fumbles a lot
0,0 + 0 = 0,0 is the only way to not use a logic fallacy and is the only thing that models reality .
its equivocation to say 89 + 9 = 98 therefore M= 8 A = 9 It is no longer math once u ask what M = and A =
M represents 8 and A represents 9 they have no mathematical value NONE they only have symbolic value.
its equivocations from an actual numbers value to a symbolic value.
so it a symbolic sense 89 + 9 = 98 therefore M represents 8 and A represents 9 could be considered true but M and A separate have no math value.
thats were i am at right now I see one mathematical representation ,but am still looking at it.
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I think my brain melted, and is now leaking out my nose :(
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[citation needed]
the problem would have no answer if you assume that AM is the same as AxM. Since MA would be the same as AM, adding 1 to MA would make it impossible to equal AM.
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the problem would have no answer if you assume that AM is the same as AxM. Since MA would be the same as AM, adding 1 to MA would make it impossible to equal AM.
It works just fine if A = 0 and M can be any number.
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It works just fine if A = 0 and M can be any number.
Nope. In neither case will that work...
M=2 A=0
2x0 + 1 = 0x2
0 + 1 = 0
1 = 0 nope!
20 + 1 = 02
21 = 2 nope again!
you get an F-- Dave. You could use some tutoring from Ink.
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When did multiplication come into effect?
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When did multiplication come into effect?
A few thousand years ago I suspect.
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irrelevant of the question , the final answer is always.....42
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When did multiplication come into effect?
People thought that MA meant M*A.
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When did multiplication come into effect?
IF M=8 A=9 please solve AM = 9- MA please use M =8 and A = 9
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Nope. In neither case will that work...
M=2 A=0
2x0 + 1 = 0x2
0 + 1 = 0
1 = 0 nope!
20 + 1 = 02
21 = 2 nope again!
you get an F-- Dave. You could use some tutoring from Ink.
Try again genious. A=0 The equation is MA+A=AM to get M(0)+0=0(M)
F--- for you. You are not using the equation from the OP.
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Nope. In neither case will that work...
M=2 A=0
2x0 + 1 = 0x2
0 + 1 = 0
1 = 0 nope!
20 + 1 = 02
21 = 2 nope again!
you get an F-- Dave. You could use some tutoring from Ink.
:rofl
hell no
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It works just fine if A = 0 and M can be any number.
typo****
if M can be any number then 8 can be any letter of the alphabet including A
M can also be 0 so the value of M is not known
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Try again genious. A=0 The equation is MA+A=AM to get M(0)+0=0(M)
F--- for you. You are not using the equation from the OP.
I don't always sarcastically call someone Genius, but, when I do, I prefer to spell Genius correctly.
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Stay thirsty my friends.
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the problem would have no answer if you assume that AM is the same as AxM. Since MA would be the same as AM, adding 1 to MA would make it impossible to equal AM.
The thread was titled "Math question". As such, nobody should assume that there is a possible solution.
That said, in this case, there are no bad answers, it's the question which is wrong.
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The thread was titled "Math question". As such, nobody should assume that there is a possible solution.
That said, in this case, there are no bad answers, it's the question which is wrong.
um ? why should ? " nobody assume that there is a possible solution".
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um ? why should ? " nobody assume that there is a possible solution".
Thread title says "Math question" and there are many unsolved problems in math. Is that reason good enough?
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There 3 types of persons in this world, those who know math and those who dont.
Need help? Just ask.
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Try again genious. A=0 The equation is MA+A=AM to get M(0)+0=0(M)
F--- for you. You are not using the equation from the OP.
Doh! I don't know where I got the '+1' from. You are correct as the equation in the OP is written.
Ink, I need to brush up on my vector calculus. When are you free?
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When did multiplication come into effect?
You have two variables next to each other which implies multiplication.
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I don't always sarcastically call someone Genius, but, when I do, I prefer to spell Genius correctly.
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Stay thirsty my friends.
:rofl You know it looked wrong when I typed it, but I didn't bother with the spell checker.
Doesn't change the fact that I am right about the equation though. :D
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It isn't a Math question as it was advertised then.
Agreed.. not in the true sense anyway.
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It isn't a Math question as it was advertised then.
This is a typical question in the SAT math section. Just saying
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IF we are to interpret MA as M*A as would be via standard math nomenclature, then this question is as stupid as saying
a(0) + 0 = 0 what is a? or a/0 = b what is a?
Joachim's post about asking why we were interpreting it as multiplication seems to imply that the original question that was copied was
1) Not math problem but a riddle
2) As a math problem where MA is interpreted as M * A, the initial problem violates the commutative property of multiplication, unless one of the variables is 0 (thus giving the other infinite possibilities). ie [MA + A = AM] = [(M + 1)A = MA] thus A = 0. M(0) + 0 = 0(M)
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This is a typical question in the SAT math section. Just saying
I can imagine in 2nd, 3rd grade before learning elementary algebra. Once you hit algebra, two variables side by side are always abbreviated multiplication. There should be no other interpretation for everyone past 4th grade.
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I can imagine in 2nd, 3rd grade before learning elementary algebra. Once you hit algebra, two variables side by side are always abbreviated multiplication. There should be no other interpretation for everyone past 4th grade.
Usually lower case but yeah. I have seen a similar question in SAT related material before. Maybe the problem statement specifies digits but Joachim summarized incorrectly for us.
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Thread title says "Math question" and there are many unsolved problems in math. Is that reason good enough?
there are many answered problems in math therefore everyone should assume there is a possible solution ...
Same logic both beg the question ..
Both would be equal in terms of good using your rule, but would then contradict your rule.so no your answer is not good enough
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there are many answered problems in math therefore everyone should assume there is a possible solution ...
Same logic both beg the question ..
Both would be equal in terms of good using your rule, but would then contradict your rule.so no your answer is not good enough
Not even remotely equal.
As long as something is probable, however unlikely, you can assume it could happen. But you can't take for granted something will happen, no matter how probable it is, as long as there is a chance it may not.
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Double post
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Pi arent square they're round!
:salute
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Pi arent square they're round!
:salute
What about obtuse? Those didnt come out of the oven too good
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Unless the Borg are involved... then there is no easy answer
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Doh! I don't know where I got the '+1' from. You are correct as the equation in the OP is written.
Ink, I need to brush up on my vector calculus. When are you free?
:rofl
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Math = Pain in the prosterior
Anyone want to do a report on Shakespearian Literature with me?
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MA+A=AM
(M+1)A=AM
A=0
Without the context of the problem this is the only way I would have ever interpreted it.
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Without the context of the problem this is the only way I would have ever interpreted it.
Calculus in your back ground? I detect "the way of thinking".
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This is a typical question in the SAT math section. Just saying
I wouldn't know. On every multiple choice test involving variables like this I always just plugged in the answers until I found one that works.
That way I didn't have to waste time debating about whether the question is completely useless or not. :aok
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Not even remotely equal.
As long as something is probable, however unlikely, you can assume it could happen. But you can't take for granted something will happen, no matter how probable it is, as long as there is a chance it may not.
ok i understand that, but if you assume the possibility exist that it is solvable you are not taking it for granted its just a possibility,.. open mind one way or the other.
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ok i understand that, but if you assume the possibility exist that it is solvable you are not taking it for granted its just a possibility,.. open mind one way or the other.
I kinda got lost, so I asked for translation...
Me: Do not assume it's red.
You: Why not?
Me: There are many which aren't red, so it could be blue.
You: There are even more which are red. By your logic you should assume it's red. Your answer is wrong.
Me: Trying to explain myself...
You: I get you, but you should be more open minded.
Thanks, I'll do my best.
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Calculus in your back ground? I detect "the way of thinking".
Yes, math rules.
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just realised my solution wasnt complete as M can also be any complex number, not just real numbers. so, maths guys, are there any numbers which wont work as M? :headscratch:
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Well not really, not without losing a lot of properties, and really being a poor definition of number in general. Something like IEEE 754-2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008) has the property that 0 * Inf = NaN, but this is stretching the bounds of your question. All the numbers we would ever use like the reals, integers, complex, rationals, etc, will follow the field axioms (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FieldAxioms.html). I get the feeling bighorn knows more about math than I do, so if I'm wrong on any of this I default to him...
So basically, no.
Also see Rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(mathematics)#Formal_definition).
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this is all very interesting but trust me, the plane takes off.