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Winter Sky - Death Ground
The Battle of the Bulge is over, and the Battle for the Rhine is about to begin. The Allies continue to push toward the Rhine attempting to cut off German Units which are falling back behind the river.
The majority of the armored units which had successfully withdrawn from the bulge have been trundled off to the eastern front in an attempt to stop of the onslought of Soviet hordes. Likewise a good amount
of the Luftwaffe has also been moved to the eastern front. Yet a few key units remain on the western front including the Panzer Lehr Division. JG26 and JG27. They are hard pressed to stop the Allied advance.
The Allies have recovered from the Bulge and the New Years attack by the Luftwaffe on their tactical air fields on the continent. The 2nd Tactical Air Force of the RAF and the Ninth Air Force of the USAAF
are flying numerous tactical sorties while their armored units cut through rear guard units in an attempt to reach the Rhine. This scenario will feature for the Axis the Bf-109G14, Bf-109K4, Fw-190A8, Fw-190D9,
Fw-190F8, Me-262, Ar234, Panzer Mk IV H, Panther G, and Tiger I. Featured for the Allies are the Tyhpoon IB, Tempest Mk V, Spitfire Mk XVI, Spitfire Mk XIV, Mosquito Mk VI, B-26B, P-47D25, P-47D40, P-51D, P-38J, P-38L,
M4-75, M4-76(W), Sherman Firefly VC, and M-18.
Writeup is at - http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-current-or-next.html
Dates and Times
Show-Up Time for this scenario is 9:30 pm Eastern Time (9:30 pm New York, USA time) in the Special Events II arena. Frame dates are as follows.
March 31, 2012: Coordination Frame -- please all attend. This frame allows each team to get organized and test their communication and control. We will be using the Frame 1 setup.
Week off for Final Coordination
April 14, 2012: Frame 1
April 21, 2012: Frame 2
April 28, 2012: Frame 3
May 5, 2012: Frame 4
Registration is at - http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-registration.html
Note that you need to be registered at the www.ahevents.org website to sign up.
WALKONS ARE WELCOME, REPORT TO ROOKS.
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Woot Woot! :joystick: :banana: :x :D
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1..........2................. ..3 Ready
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Corky did you teach Shuffler to count. :neener: :bolt:
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Corky did you teach Shuffler to count. :neener: :bolt:
Well I remember the 1, 3, 2 but from there I forgot. How'd you like the way I handled that.
In a month or 6 I'll be all the way up to 0.
Now please stay on topping and no pesonal attics.
Remember I am number 6 in the Consortium Of 12
Consortium of 12
Skuzzy = Grand Exalted Ruler of the Consortium of 12 ex officio
CokryJR = Exalted Ruler pro tempore
Raptor = Exalted Ruler pro tempore emeritus
AKAK= Esteemed Leading Knight of Oxygen and altitidue
Murdr = Esteemed Loyal Knight of the Duct Tape
Shuffler = Esteemed Lecturing Knight of the Blender
Estes = Gracious Secretary
Delirium = Treasurer
Soulyss= Inner Guard
SaVage = Esquire
Mensa = Eunuch
Fianna = Organist
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:rofl :rofl
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This one looks really promising as a foothold for future GV scenarios Fencer, looking forward to playing it through and hearing all the feedback. :aok :salute
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Disregard. I took my question to the scenario forum. :salute
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Well I remember the 1, 3, 2 but from there I forgot. How'd you like the way I handled that.
In a month or 6 I'll be all the way up to 0.
Now please stay on topping and no pesonal attics.
Remember I am number 6 in the Consortium Of 12
Consortium of 12
Skuzzy = Grand Exalted Ruler of the Consortium of 12 ex officio
CokryJR = Exalted Ruler pro tempore
Raptor = Exalted Ruler pro tempore emeritus
AKAK= Esteemed Leading Knight of Oxygen and altitidue
Murdr = Esteemed Loyal Knight of the Duct Tape
Shuffler = Esteemed Lecturing Knight of the Blender
Estes = Gracious Secretary
Delirium = Treasurer
Soulyss= Inner Guard
SaVage = Esquire
Mensa = Eunuch
Fianna = Organist
i havent seen this in so long :rofl :rofl
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Tick......Tick..........Tick
just a few hours to go gents.
Don't miss out on the fun, still walk on spots available !
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Woot Woot! :joystick: :banana: :x :D
Down,down,down; Red team going down! :t
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Each and every scenario is a blast! This past evening's was quite fun! The teamwork and kindness was great :D, cant wait for next Saturday
And yes they made me fly a Spit14 :P :airplane:
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All those 38s missing parts, must of been the 80th FS
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Each and every scenario is a blast! This past evening's was quite fun! The teamwork and kindness was great :D, cant wait for next Saturday
And yes they made me fly a Spit14 :P :airplane:
With Assless chaps i might ass :uhoh
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With Assless chaps i might ass :uhoh
youre Spit14s buzzed by our arados and barely even shot! the tempests came for us im ashamed :P :bolt:
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All those 38s missing parts, must of been the 80th FS
LOL the 80th is a PTO squadron. If you got 80th 38s, you were in the wrong spot. But you've gotta expect that from hair dryer pilots :)
8 428th FS 38s got into a brawl with 15 109K4s and 8 190D9s. It took that many to get us! :aok
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Glad someone had fun. I was stuck with a group of guys afraid to get in there and mix it up I think. :rolleyes: I'm down there fighting 3 Doras while the rest of my group watched from 27K :furious
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LOL the 80th is a PTO squadron. If you got 80th 38s, you were in the wrong spot. But you've gotta expect that from hair dryer pilots :)
8 428th FS 38s got into a brawl with 15 109K4s and 8 190D9s. It took that many to get us! :aok
Took one hair dryer to take out a half dozen 38s :) moving along now
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Glad someone had fun. I was stuck with a group of guys afraid to get in there and mix it up I think. :rolleyes: I'm down there fighting 3 Doras while the rest of my group watched from 27K :furious
That's a good thing, I was cruising my 262 around 15-20k and never seen enemy fighters until the very end, most were either above the Ozone layer - not to mention for the third time now they ran bombers NOE and unescorted (even after a few restrictions were placed on the 262s).
This surprised me based on the first coordination frame, secondly the allied Jabos had no fighter escort what so ever and coming in at 10k, however spits were coming in from 28k and tempests.
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I just don't have the patience to fly around for an hour watching folks below me getting into the action. Screw that....I'm in! :joystick:
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Took one hair dryer to take out a half dozen 38s :) moving along now
Lol. Someday you will get over needing to compensate for that underdeveloped joystick :aok
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Good times. Think the allies got schooled. Near the end of the frame we had only three jugs left and we ran into an entire gaggle of 190s. Got separated from my wingmen and tied up with 2 190s. Was holding my own but completely defensive...then the other 5 showed up. First life was ended near 40 town by a 262 I believe. Didn't kill a lot of the bad guys (maybe 3) but my .50s were imbedded in quite a few 190s and 109s. Was too fun!
:salute
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youre Spit14s buzzed by our arados and barely even shot! the tempests came for us im ashamed :P :bolt:
Dont blame me!, blame the plane! :joystick:
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Lol. Someday you will get over needing to compensate for that underdeveloped joystick :aok
Not really, I don't run around with an ego.
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Sooooooo, who wants to take me in next Saturday? :airplane: :D
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Well I enjoyed myself. The reception for the allied pilots went well.
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I'm curious about the big furball that wen't down in the north, I was coming back from hitting the bombers and wanted to see what was going on - someone said it was a massive furball and luftwaffe was losing.
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Our first flight we ran into a group of 38's. All was going well and they were being quickly dispatched. A second group of 38's with low Temptest support then came in and took out half our squadron. We reupped and regrouped with the remaining planes and then ran into a gaggle of Spitfire XIVs, Typhoons, P47's, and P51's. I had a group of 8 on me before I went down, and everyone else was running into something similar.
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I got sent on a 2 by 2 recon mission, Bone and Redbull going to cover the north and myself and Deja flying south - I am not sure what all headed south, but only thing we ran into was a squadron of B-26s on the deck without escort.
I came back to rearm - Bone was pinged up and lost one engines oil - and nursed the 262 back home, Myself Redbull and Deja then went towards the massive furball and didn't spot anything - either we arrived late and everyone was heading home or we missed them completely.
Given the alt the piston fighters were operating, most likely we were under everything - think we topped around 20k.
Axis were convinced the allies were defeated since 16 were in flight while the rest were in the tower, but sure enough allies waited till the last minute to launch an all out raid - we watched the numbers grow to 50/50 in flight.
We were running a race track around 40, one point I gave Bone a heart attack screaming "OMG they are all in front of me, buffs and fighters all heavy" - it was a joke - I was returning from A114 after checking some airfields out on recon.
Eventually a lone 28k Spitfire alerted every fighter to the 8.11.1 sector, I dropped from 20k to around 10k and ran into an entire squadron of 38s heavy diving towards A40, after a few turns - a set of Typhoons and tempest's came in - then P-47s ... then P-51s
Every 2-3 minutes a new set came in and a pretty nice furball erupted, I was lucky I looked at my fuel gauge, I was down to 5 minutes and 15 taters left, I didn't bother to re-arm.
I will say the view in a 262 is near terrible with that cloud setting, you can't see anything and far to easy you can fly over and not notice anything.
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Our first flight we ran into a group of 38's. All was going well and they were being quickly dispatched. A second group of 38's with low Temptest support then came in and took out half our squadron. We reupped and regrouped with the remaining planes and then ran into a gaggle of Spitfire XIVs, Typhoons, P47's, and P51's. I had a group of 8 on me before I went down, and everyone else was running into something similar.
At one point i was a lone Spit14 at about 28k over the 102 to 103 area, and had 5 or so 190s scaring the hell out of me, and i think a 109K4, i started to fight a couple of them, and luckily some P47 jumped it, a little later i had a good 1 on 1 with a 190D around 102, where i lost part of my stabilizer, was very fun all in all
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At one point i was a lone Spit14 at about 28k over the 102 to 103 area, and had 5 or so 190s scaring the hell out of me, and i think a 109K4, i started to fight a couple of them, and luckily some P47 jumped it, a little later i had a good 1 on 1 with a 190D around 102, where i lost part of my stabilizer, was very fun all in all
This D9 might have been me ALFA, I also had a good fight with a spit14 around that area. :devil
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This D9 might have been me ALFA, I also had a good fight with a spit14 around that area. :devil
Might have been Bone! these guys i were facing werent noobs at all, they had some good moves, so im guessing it could have been you, i also ended up fighting aD9 on the deck :D, and even later 190s jumped a pack of P47s i was escorting and i managed to get two i think :devil
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Might have been Bone! these guys i were facing werent noobs at all, they had some good moves, so im guessing it could have been you, i also ended up fighting aD9 on the deck :D, and even later 190s jumped a pack of P47s i was escorting and i managed to get two i think :devil
Quick question did this D9 make a mistake of letting you 400 out on six?
If so It was me I really underestimated that Spit14 at 28k.
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Quick question did this D9 make a mistake of letting you 400 out on six?
If so It was me I really underestimated that Spit14 at 28k.
Uhh yes! there were multiple times that i ended up at 400 out in the 102/103 area on a 190D, problem was i couldnt tell where my tracers were going the clouds were so greyish white :frown:, it was crazy going from 12 boost to 28 boost with WEP lol, it definitley could move up there, but was outclassed in turning at that altitude :uhoh
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Might infact of been me.
My engagement with the Typhys forced me to land my 1 engined Jet and roll a D9, Dantoo which one of ya owe me an engine?
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Uhh yes! there were multiple times that i ended up at 400 out in the 102/103 area on a 190D, problem was i couldnt tell where my tracers were going the clouds were so greyish white :frown:, it was crazy going from 12 boost to 28 boost with WEP lol, it definitley could move up there, but was outclassed in turning at that altitude :uhoh
I had the same problem with the tracers. Might have done a lot more damage on some snapshots if I could have corrected.
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the only true downside so far was the cloud thickness... in my opinion at least
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I had the same problem with the tracers. Might have done a lot more damage on some snapshots if I could have corrected.
Right lilmak, and might i say a big S! to you guys for taking my lone spitfire in with your Jugs, it was a pleasure :salute, it definitley put shooting skills to the test lol, hopefully we will see when the logs come out Bone! :cool:
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When will they post the logs for this frame?
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I am impatient flood ROC WITH PMs! :D
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bone speaking of ROC did you see his QUAH!!!ness last night also? :noid :noid
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Uhh yes! there were multiple times that i ended up at 400 out in the 102/103 area on a 190D, problem was i couldnt tell where my tracers were going the clouds were so greyish white :frown:, it was crazy going from 12 boost to 28 boost with WEP lol, it definitley could move up there, but was outclassed in turning at that altitude :uhoh
Alfa, you need to practice more at high altitude. The Spit14 totally out-classes the Dora at that altitude. What you have to get a handle on (and most AH players don't), is that Indicated Air Speed is the thing to watch. Every fighter can get into stall trouble at high altitude. At 28k, the 190D's turning circle is huge. The Spit14's turning circle is nearly 1/3 less. You can practice in the TA (there's a 30k base with an air spawn) or offline.
Speed MIL power...
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=64&p2=44&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Speed WEP power...
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=64&p2=44&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Climb WEP power...
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=64&p2=44&pw=1>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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All that was seen was CHEESEITS!!!!!!!!!!! :bolt:
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Right lilmak, and might i say a big S! to you guys for taking my lone spitfire in with your Jugs, it was a pleasure :salute, it definitley put shooting skills to the test lol, hopefully we will see when the logs come out Bone! :cool:
We needed ya that last time we got bounced when we were climbing out heavy. If you hadn't been there, our whole flight would've been wiped out. You and I were the only ones who flew away from that fight in basically one piece.
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All that was seen was CHEESEITS!!!!!!!!!!! :bolt:
:bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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I had no clue you were online honestly. :angel:
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uhuh..... :mad:
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All that was seen was CHEESEITS!!!!!!!!!!! :bolt:
:rofl :rofl LET THE CHEESE-ITS LIVE ON BONE!!!
:bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
I had no clue you were online honestly. :angel:
uhuh..... :mad:
:rofl :rofl i love myself for starting this :bolt:
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:rofl :rofl LET THE CHEESE-ITS LIVE ON BONE!!! :rofl :rofl i love myself for starting this :bolt:
:furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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:furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
:rofl
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Alfa, you need to practice more at high altitude. The Spit14 totally out-classes the Dora at that altitude. What you have to get a handle on (and most AH players don't), is that Indicated Air Speed is the thing to watch. Every fighter can get into stall trouble at high altitude. At 28k, the 190D's turning circle is huge. The Spit14's turning circle is nearly 1/3 less. You can practice in the TA (there's a 30k base with an air spawn) or offline.
Thank you for your kind input Mr Widewing, i understand that, i wasnt totally getting outturned, rather i shoulda said its a totally different spitfire at alt, i know a little bit about dogfighting, it was my fault that i worded that wrong, ill just say it was more of a challenge then the usual deck TnB, that is all
My reagards :aok
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:rofl
I had no clue you were online honestly. :angel:
:bhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
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We needed ya that last time we got bounced when we were climbing out heavy. If you hadn't been there, our whole flight would've been wiped out. You and I were the only ones who flew away from that fight in basically one piece.
No problem at all, im glad i was there, that fight got my blood pumping for sure lol, i came in just in time to help what was left :uhoh, but we ended up downing 3 or 4of them i think :D, to bad i botched that landing a little big though, hopefully next week will be just as fun :cheers:
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:bhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
+1 1sum :noid
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:bhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyltK6pmJGg&feature=related <- thought youd go with this one :lol
but anyways the cheese-its took the win along with the QUAHness on Axis side :rofl
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+1 1sum :noid
you missed out on a good time on axis side :lol
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you missed out on a good time on axis side :lol
So i heard :D, bone almost got me to come over! But my inner Ally said better :devil
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When will they post the logs for this frame?
<----taps foot impatiently :bhead
I know i'm no longer hip or cool when I have to look up "Quah" in the Urban Dictionary to find out just what in the hell that means. :(
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So i heard :D, bone almost got me to come over! But my inner Ally said better :devil
<----taps foot impatiently :bhead
I know i'm no longer hip or cool when I have to look up "Quah" in the Urban Dictionary to find out just what in the hell that means. :(
:rofl :rofl
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Did someone say 'Cheeze Its'? :rofl
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Did someone say 'Cheeze Its'? :rofl
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Tell us how you really feel :bolt:
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(http://www.passionforsavings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/cheesenips.bmp)
Boo-yah
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Will you fellas please fill a friend in on this so called Cheeze its epidemic :huh :joystick:
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Will you fellas please fill a friend in on this so called Cheeze its epidemic :huh :joystick:
Don't deny the cheese, just embrace it.
CHEESE ITS!
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That's a good thing, I was cruising my 262 around 15-20k and never seen enemy fighters until the very end, most were either above the Ozone layer - not to mention for the third time now they ran bombers NOE and unescorted (even after a few restrictions were placed on the 262s).
This surprised me based on the first coordination frame, secondly the allied Jabos had no fighter escort what so ever and coming in at 10k, however spits were coming in from 28k and tempests.
Shooting birds gets you nothing. The whole frame was targets :)
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:bheadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
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:bheadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
:rofl. :rofl
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:bheadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)
says the one who's gonna be getting a certain someone in two months :rofl
the irony is if you fail epically you can post this after that too! :bolt:
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Stats are up. Looks like the allies pretty much got spanked. No wonder I ran into a full strength squadron at the end of the frame.
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I know that the group of 51s I flew with were no help at all. The group leader stated before we even took off that his main goal was to just survive because he hated GVing :rolleyes:. Out of the 9 pilots in our group, not 1 P-51 got a single kill although on two separate occasions I had 3 190s engaged on the deck ripe for the pickin'.
I really wish that the guys afraid to fight in a P51 would just stay out of them. All they do is give a great aircraft a bad rep. :old:
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I know that the group of 51s I flew with were no help at all. The group leader stated before we even took off that his main goal was to just survive because he hated GVing :rolleyes:. Out of the 9 pilots in our group, not 1 P-51 got a single kill although on two separate occasions I had 3 190s engaged on the deck ripe for the pickin'.
I really wish that the guys afraid to fight in a P51 would just stay out of them. All they do is give a great aircraft a bad rep. :old:
I agree, I should of been bounced by 4 of the P-51s over A40, I had my jet turning under 400mph and turn fighting when wave after P-47's and P-51's were just augering into the town. When I started going after a heavy set of P-38s there were 20k P-51s and
none of them bothered to even make a pass on me.
I think people got discouraged, I was hearing the allies put up a pretty bad beating on the luftwaffe over 109, we held firm over A40 though.
My biggest mistake was not keeping an eye on my fuel, I kept race tracking at full power around 15k, the allies did knock out 3 of the 4 targets, however the main objective to secure A40 was not done.
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My biggest mistake was diving into the hornets nest at forty and holding my eggs. I should've let em fly on the first pass and extend a bit but I held them to line up a better run. On the second pass, I was too slow and wound up with 4 red guys behind me. One being a 262. Had no hope of escape at that point.
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Stats are up. Looks like the allies pretty much got spanked. No wonder I ran into a full strength squadron at the end of the frame.
Allies did everything successfully but the last. Taking A-40.
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Allies did everything successfully but the last. Taking A-40.
You didnt hit my Jet base. :neener:
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You didnt hit my Jet base. :neener:
No, But I did kill your wingie, I'll be looking for you the next frame, homey :salute
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:lol Was good stuff, Looked back at my film turns out one of Dantoo's Typhoons took my engine out.
Also if Im not mistaken I took one of your Tempest buddies out also. :devil
I will watch my high six for Tempoons. :D
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:lol Was good stuff, Looked back at my film turns out one of Dantoo's Typhoons took my engine out.
Also if Im not mistaken I took one of your Tempest buddies out also. :devil
I will watch my high six for Tempoons. :D
Guess the kill shooter is off cuz it shows Dantoo shot down a Typh. :huh
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My biggest mistake was diving into the hornets nest at forty and holding my eggs. I should've let em fly on the first pass and extend a bit but I held them to line up a better run. On the second pass, I was too slow and wound up with 4 red guys behind me. One being a 262. Had no hope of escape at that point.
I missed a 200yd or closer deflection shot on ya, I watched the film viewer because I could not believe i missed that shot.
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:rofl I dont doubt it, So much A/C in the area at one point I was 400 in between 2 Jugs almost flying formation.
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:lol Was good stuff, Looked back at my film turns out one of Dantoo's Typhoons took my engine out.
Also if Im not mistaken I took one of your Tempest buddies out also. :devil
I will watch my high six for Tempoons. :D
Yeah, we were screaming at him too when we spotted you, just a bit too late.
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I missed a 200yd or closer deflection shot on ya, I watched the film viewer because I could not believe i missed that shot.
Yea I have a button on the instrument panel that makes my old fat chick suck it in for a few seconds. Then she let's out that breath and is fatter than ever. :D
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Allies did everything successfully but the last. Taking A-40.
Maybe so but we paid a heavy price. Killed at a rate of almost 2 to 1.
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Allies missed the factories at A42 all together.
Unless they were struck? I was over the factories and nothing was hit, I caught the b-26's on the deck trying to b-line to the factories, however they completely ignored them - I'm assuming they hit elsewhere?
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I know that the group of 51s I flew with were no help at all. The group leader stated before we even took off that his main goal was to just survive because he hated GVing :rolleyes:. Out of the 9 pilots in our group, not 1 P-51 got a single kill although on two separate occasions I had 3 190s engaged on the deck ripe for the pickin'.
I really wish that the guys afraid to fight in a P51 would just stay out of them. All they do is give a great aircraft a bad rep. :old:
I agree with you uptown, everytime i was cruising around 25-29k i would see the Ponies just circling at what seemed to be 29.9k lol, the first engagement over 109, there were multiple 109s and 190s around 10-20k, the P47s were mainly the aircraft i saw engage, I can't remember what the Tempests or Typhoons did, our squad leader Dace, did an excellent job with the 5 spit14s, but the problem was, they cant dive like 51s, at 500, i could barely roll to either direction, and like Butcher was saying, he was 400mph at times in a 262, if the 51s had used their superb diving ability, it woulda helped besides patrolling at 30k the whole time, but all in all it was still fun, and couldnt ask for any better :rock :salute
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I know that the group of 51s I flew with were no help at all. The group leader stated before we even took off that his main goal was to just survive because he hated GVing :rolleyes:. Out of the 9 pilots in our group, not 1 P-51 got a single kill although on two separate occasions I had 3 190s engaged on the deck ripe for the pickin'.
I really wish that the guys afraid to fight in a P51 would just stay out of them. All they do is give a great aircraft a bad rep. :old:
thats sad seeing as how kills dont really count in this scenario objectives do... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Maybe so but we paid a heavy price. Killed at a rate of almost 2 to 1.
Kills meant nothing as I was told.
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Yea I have a button on the instrument panel that makes my old fat chick suck it in for a few seconds. Then she let's out that breath and is fatter than ever. :D
What's wrong with fat chicks? Especially ones on unicorns? :huh
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thats sad seeing as how kills dont really count in this scenario objectives do... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'm gonna have to write up a "Scenarios For Dummies" book :)
You get what you want from it BAR. You have Panzer Lehr in your sig. How much have you learned and passed on to the tankers about that history? Or is this just a chance to point and shoot for you? Was anything remotely fun for you? Did even for a second anything suck you in?
There was a time where folks really got into it with the history, their unit, and putting time into making the experience more then just another time in another arena. That seems to have gone with the long time scenario vets.
I died in about the first 1/2 hour yesterday after getting mugged in a 23 v 8 fight. But you know what? That fight is going to stick with me in the memories I have of great scenario moments cause it mirrored an actual moment in the real history of the 428th FS I had read about. I can name those moments back to the first scenario I ever flew in Airwarrior. Do I wish I'd done it better yesterday and not gotten mugged? Sure. It was tough to wait on a second sortie. But this isn't the MA and there are no promises of the fight you want.
What I do know is there is no way to write up and design a scenario that is going to make everyone happy unless they are willing to get into the thing more then just showing up. It's amazing to me how many folks never read the write up. Short of going door to door, there isn't much more we can do. It was linked in many threads and is still right where it's always been. Yet folks are acting like they had no clue about objectives.
One of the reasons I give you such a hard time about taking a Tiger is to me it speaks to missing the point. I'd have thought a guy who begged for the M18 like you did would have killed for a chance to use it in a scenario so you could teach folks some history and show what the thing could do. To me taking a Tiger says you were more worried about winning and getting kills then anything else.
I give the Jet jockeys the same hard time for the same reason.
If that's what your goal is for a scenario then more power to you and to those guys, but if that's the case then we might as well skip any map that is historical and quit trying to design them around certain time frames or battles. Might as well make it the DA furball lake with tanks in the middle and see who lives the longest.
I know i sound like a preacher and I won't apologize for it. I wish I could run the tapes in my head for you to see all those moments from scenarios over the past 15 years where I was 'inside' the plane and the history came alive. It's an amazing thing that a computer sim can do that. I couldn't tell you who won or lost any of those scenarios, but I can describe those moments of immersion down to the last second. if you've got a way to help folks get that, I'm all ears.
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I'm gonna have to write up a "Scenarios For Dummies" book :)
You get what you want from it BAR. You have Panzer Lehr in your sig. How much have you learned and passed on to the tankers about that history? Or is this just a chance to point and shoot for you? Was anything remotely fun for you? Did even for a second anything suck you in?
There was a time where folks really got into it with the history, their unit, and putting time into making the experience more then just another time in another arena. That seems to have gone with the long time scenario vets.
I died in about the first 1/2 hour yesterday after getting mugged in a 23 v 8 fight. But you know what? That fight is going to stick with me in the memories I have of great scenario moments cause it mirrored an actual moment in the real history of the 428th FS I had read about. I can name those moments back to the first scenario I ever flew in Airwarrior. Do I wish I'd done it better yesterday and not gotten mugged? Sure. It was tough to wait on a second sortie. But this isn't the MA and there are no promises of the fight you want.
What I do know is there is no way to write up and design a scenario that is going to make everyone happy unless they are willing to get into the thing more then just showing up. It's amazing to me how many folks never read the write up. Short of going door to door, there isn't much more we can do. It was linked in many threads and is still right where it's always been. Yet folks are acting like they had no clue about objectives.
One of the reasons I give you such a hard time about taking a Tiger is to me it speaks to missing the point. I'd have thought a guy who begged for the M18 like you did would have killed for a chance to use it in a scenario so you could teach folks some history and show what the thing could do. To me taking a Tiger says you were more worried about winning and getting kills then anything else.
I give the Jet jockeys the same hard time for the same reason.
If that's what your goal is for a scenario then more power to you and to those guys, but if that's the case then we might as well skip any map that is historical and quit trying to design them around certain time frames or battles. Might as well make it the DA furball lake with tanks in the middle and see who lives the longest.
I know i sound like a preacher and I won't apologize for it. I wish I could run the tapes in my head for you to see all those moments from scenarios over the past 15 years where I was 'inside' the plane and the history came alive. It's an amazing thing that a computer sim can do that. I couldn't tell you who won or lost any of those scenarios, but I can describe those moments of immersion down to the last second. if you've got a way to help folks get that, I'm all ears.
my friend. if everyone came to a scenario to have fun and put their best into it then id love scenarios forever. adding the history makes it even more memorable
The reasons i didnt choose to roll an M18 this scenario come from a few points of view corky.. the most influential was that someone asked me to drive the axis armor to victory this time and i wasnt going to say no to helpin out :aok the other would be stick the axis team on the allied side and youd have me in an M18. for me i will say i have much more fun with many of the axis players than i have had in previous scenarios as allied. i still remember alot of drama during BoG that partially ruined my time in that scenario. if not for the epic battles each frame during that scenario i would never have stuck around.
Fun is why im here and as a GL or commander i try to put my best foward each frame and whether good or bad ideas its still better to have the idea heard out over getting shut down the moment i speak saying i have no idea what im talking about. now i will not say the allies this time around are like that but from past experience ill stick with my axis friends whenever it involves GVs
Edit: also if i even started the cheese-it joke or the QUAH!!! joke on allies i would have been yelled at by a few :rofl
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I agree and disagree with your post Corky.
Personally, I love the P38. It was the first model airplane I ever built and my whole life I've had a huge love for that BBW. That being said, I've also had a long love of German aviation. I don't have the same lust for the plane that I have for a 38, but the overall romance of German aviation over the first part of the century has me more interested than anything. Play style has a lot to do with it too... unfortunately there's not a lot of patrolling or escort missions MA. The objectives in the arena just don't match that. The most fun I have in the game is hunting out buffs in a 262 and setting up the 500+MPH pass hoping to score a couple of quick kills. It's a high risk low reward game style. Every time I up, I'm looking to lose at least 150perkies. Every time I land, even with 10+ kills, I'm looking to make maybe 2-5 perks. Needless to say, if I didn't have a little bit of an understanding of what I do, I couldn't fly a 262 (I was back down to 0 perks again last week, so I really don't know what I'm doing... ;P)
Scenario-wise though, I've always flown axis, just because I've yet to fly in a scenario where the allies aren't setup to be the dominate air force and the LW has been fighting tooth and nail for it's airspace.
We got 4 262's... how many P51D's and Tempests were in that frame? The rest of Germany's flights are 15ENY or below. A large amount of allied planes were 5-10 ENY or 5ENY and perked. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that overall, the LW is at a disadvantage in the air, and performed admirably despite the fact.
Fun fights, great frame, I hope more can show up for frame 2.
:salute
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I'm gonna have to write up a "Scenarios For Dummies" book :)
You get what you want from it BAR. You have Panzer Lehr in your sig. How much have you learned and passed on to the tankers about that history? Or is this just a chance to point and shoot for you? Was anything remotely fun for you? Did even for a second anything suck you in?
also ive been learning the panzer lehr's history in the rhine area since this started and you'll be quite upset at what really happened on the ground war :lol
as much as i hate to say A40 was taken by infantry the rush that was made was as close as this scenario will get to being accurate on the ground
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I agree and disagree with your post Corky.
Personally, I love the P38. It was the first model airplane I ever built and my whole life I've had a huge love for that BBW. That being said, I've also had a long love of German aviation. I don't have the same lust for the plane that I have for a 38, but the overall romance of German aviation over the first part of the century has me more interested than anything. Play style has a lot to do with it too... unfortunately there's not a lot of patrolling or escort missions MA. The objectives in the arena just don't match that. The most fun I have in the game is hunting out buffs in a 262 and setting up the 500+MPH pass hoping to score a couple of quick kills. It's a high risk low reward game style. Every time I up, I'm looking to lose at least 150perkies. Every time I land, even with 10+ kills, I'm looking to make maybe 2-5 perks. Needless to say, if I didn't have a little bit of an understanding of what I do, I couldn't fly a 262 (I was back down to 0 perks again last week, so I really don't know what I'm doing... ;P)
Scenario-wise though, I've always flown axis, just because I've yet to fly in a scenario where the allies aren't setup to be the dominate air force and the LW has been fighting tooth and nail for it's airspace.
We got 4 262's... how many P51D's and Tempests were in that frame? The rest of Germany's flights are 15ENY or below. A large amount of allied planes were 5-10 ENY or 5ENY and perked. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that overall, the LW is at a disadvantage in the air, and performed admirably despite the fact.
Fun fights, great frame, I hope more can show up for frame 2.
:salute
The LW did a great job. No complaints. If your passion is the Luftwaffe then dive in and have a blast. Forget about points, who wins, etc. Look out and see the guys in your group flying your wing and let yourself go back in time and imagine what it was like. Pour it over yourself and learn even more.
I GL'd II/JG54 back in an Airwarrior B of B scenario and I never learned so much about them as I did then. The guys flying with me got it in spades and ran with it too. Despite my Allied leanings, I was able to lose myself in my 109E and had a great time. I'm still partial to II/JG54 and 109Es because of that.
All I'm trying to say is if all you come to a scenario for is to point and shoot and see how many you can land, you might as well go back to the MA cause you are missing the point. And I don't mean you Wil3er, even if you did clobber me :)
As I said to someone else, I spent far more time in the tower then I did flying yesterday. But that five minute, sucked back in time, and connected to the real 428th, brawl made it worth it. It was added to the many other scenario moments that have stuck with me over the years.
There are going to be lulls in the action. There will be gaps to fill, and it always isn't going to go the way each player wants it to. But where else can a bunch of cartoon fighter pilot wannabes go back in time and try and catch a piece of history?
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...that being said, we had two German walk-ons in our squad that night. It was very helpful for the immersion. :x :airplane:
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I want to learn german just for playing here and role playing :D Imagine my terrible attemp at speaking german with a Brazillian accent! how realistic is that eh! :)
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I want to learn german just for playing here and role playing :D Imagine my terrible attemp at speaking german with a Brazillian accent! how realistic is that eh! :)
Sad part is eighty percent of the player base probably has no clue of Brazil's contribution in WW2 including the combat flown by their Jug drivers in the MTO against the Axis.
Would be fun to see you leading the Brazilian P47s in an MTO based scenario.
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tell me about it! once, the AvA was at late italy scenario. I flew the p47 there for a while... it felt really good! but there was no scenario going on at the time, just me in the silly brazillian skin.
Even told the fellow I was flying with about the ostriches (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/aviation/2333d1299757975t-senta-p-1st-brazilian-fighter-group-italy-fab-01.jpg)
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Holy crap, that fight over 109 was a blast. We (.7 III/JG11) were at like 28k when we saw the furball developing below us. We (6 or 7 total) dove in and only saw jugs initially mixing it up with the 109s. Then out of nowhere the Temps and Spits jumped in and things got interesting, seems you could hardly turn without some sort of target in front of you. Finally had to dive out of the fight with what seemed like 17 Spits, a Temp, and a few Jugs on my tail. Heard a squaddie calling for help so I turned back to try and help and we ended up being way outnumbered so we ran to refuel. I did manage to get a quick burst into a Spit somewhere during the fight (sorry bout that hotard...lol).
Anyways, that was the most fun I've had in recent memory in AH..................walk ons are welcome so please give it a try.
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thats sad seeing as how kills dont really count in this scenario objectives do... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Wasn't my and the rest of the P-51Ds objective in the scenario to kill Axis aircraft in hopes of gaining air superiority? :headscratch:
Our orders were to intercept 190s and 109s and kill them, so that the guys tasked with actually taking A40 could get in to do their job. So in my mind getting kills was the whole point of the 51s being there to begin with. Yes, the main objective was to take and hold A40, but each flight group had it's individual orders and objectives that had to be achieved in order to make that happen. :salute
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I can say that despite the unfortunate recurring circumstance of low numbers, this scenario and ECA have both had their great moments, both flying and planning as a GL. For instance I have three German pilots in my Gruppe, and it is always fun hearing them and immersing myself. I even had one speak to the other in German during the tank battle in the coordination frame! That was great.
This is why I love scenarios, and in particular early war scenarios. Rangoon was a blast, and I really got a sense of what it was like to truly be outnumbered and outclassed. Flying those P-40s to the edge of their ability trying to defend this incredibly important objective while the CO was almost yelling over teamspeak "everyone needs to get back to Rangoon NOW, large force of betties and Ki-45s inbound".
Same thing with BoG, writing period-correct After Action Reports after each frame, and being able to name my plane. And The Final Battle, where while the scenario was hypothetical, you could really feel the desparation that the Luftwaffe would have felt, the exuberance of an early, quick victory and the exhaustion of eventual defeat.
That's why I was so ticked when coral sea was cancelled. I get so immersed in Naval Aviation, and I would have been leading wildcats for half the event. I went as far as to set up optional training sessions for my group, to learn the tactics of James Thach. We would have been using the real tactics.
That immersion I think is starting to come back. It was great with ECA but I think the incorporation of the ground war, as in previous events, is a great thing. I love being able to fly 109s in a similar manner as they would have been in this stage of the war. I think people should definitely give this a shot.
Despite lower numbers, I think scenarios are as good as ever, and will get even better
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One of the reasons I give you such a hard time about taking a Tiger is to me it speaks to missing the point. I'd have thought a guy who begged for the M18 like you did would have killed for a chance to use it in a scenario so you could teach folks some history and show what the thing could do. To me taking a Tiger says you were more worried about winning and getting kills then anything else.
I give the Jet jockeys the same hard time for the same reason.
If that's what your goal is for a scenario then more power to you and to those guys, but if that's the case then we might as well skip any map that is historical and quit trying to design them around certain time frames or battles. Might as well make it the DA furball lake with tanks in the middle and see who lives the longest.
I agree with your point - the history behind the game is slowing slipping away, but you must understand there are those who "want" to learn and others who don't. In the main arena I generally fly an odd ball aircraft every tour - with something that I usually fly more often. This tour for example I am zipping around in a La-5fn, while reading everything I can (granted if I can get the books in english, so far I got burned on two manuals and both were in polish/russian).
You give "Jet jocks" a bad name, but in reality Jagdgeschwader 7 was not only the first squad I created myself in game a few years ago, but this was when I started reading the background history of squadrons.
So it wasn't chosen just to "win" scenarios, then again I don't expect you to understand either - only point and criticize.
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I agree with your point - the history behind the game is slowing slipping away, but you must understand there are those who "want" to learn and others who don't. In the main arena I generally fly an odd ball aircraft every tour - with something that I usually fly more often. This tour for example I am zipping around in a La-5fn, while reading everything I can (granted if I can get the books in english, so far I got burned on two manuals and both were in polish/russian).
You give "Jet jocks" a bad name, but in reality Jagdgeschwader 7 was not only the first squad I created myself in game a few years ago, but this was when I started reading the background history of squadrons.
So it wasn't chosen just to "win" scenarios, then again I don't expect you to understand either - only point and criticize.
And if that's the case you are forgiven for flying a jet :aok
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What's wrong with fat chicks? Especially ones on unicorns? :huh
Nothing wrong with the big girls. I love making my fat jug do skinny plane stuff.
Scenarios are a new thing for me. The lulls in the action make the fights MUCH more immersive. I don't mind sticking to objectives and would've gladly jumped in a m3 had I burned up my lives early. Even if kills don't count towards the objective, air superiority does, and the large number of luft aircraft left @ 40 when most of us were in ground attack mode was likely our downfall. Win lose or draw, I had a blast pitting my D-25 against K-4s, Doras, and 262s. I plan to be more of a fixture on Saturday nights, even in jugless battles. WSDG is a good scenario to get people into the addiction because of the plane selection.
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In addition to the history of it, one of the things I like about scenarios is how the historical aircraft matchups work out. You can have one side full of planes that would typically lose low-alt, low-speed, one-on-one engagements vs. the planes of the other side. But a many-on-many scenario environment is a whole different world, and you can have the side with aircraft that are considered inferior in the MA more than hold their own in that different environment. FW 190's, P-40's, and F4F's, for example, are not that great in low-speed, low-alt, one on ones against their historical adversaries. But get a many on many going, ranging from 30k or even 15k down to the deck, and they are as good (maybe in some matchups better) than their historical adversaries.
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I recently got done reading "JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe". It's a fantastic book. It covers the whole history of JG26, from beginning to end, on a nearly daily level of detail. For the period that this scenario covers, the mix of aircraft has been spot on, not just with the P-51's, P-38's, and P-47's, but also the Tempests and Spit 14's, which were typical opponents of JG26 at the time as well.
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I just got done reading Red Fish Blue Fish... it was deep. :confused: