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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Pand on April 17, 2012, 01:08:54 PM
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I think it would be absolutely fantastic to have an AAR at the end of each flight in each Arena. Example from "Out of the Sun - Frame 1":
Pand
14:11:09 Departed from Field #122 in a P-51D
14:31:07 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:32:01 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:32:40 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:41:39 Shot down a Ki-84-Ia flown by PilotName.
15:22:24 Arrived Safely at Field #1
It would look very similar to all the logged items that are in the FSO/Event Logs plus changes in score statistics like:
- Arena sortie was flown in.
- Overall Hit % for the sortie.
- Kill Points Awarded.
- Total Objects Destroyed
- Total Aircraft Shot Down
- Perk Points Awarded, etc
Either have it pop up automatically upon getting returned to the tower after a sortie, or have an option to spawn the "Last Flight AAR" from the clipboard menu. Would also be nice to have a button that would export to a text file in the Aces High folder, similarly to what is done for screenshots.
I was reading the General forum and came across a post that spawned this expansion on the generic idea: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,332234.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,332234.0.html)
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it would be cool if it was available when you record a film. as a summary other than that not sure what you would do with it.
semp
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+1
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Have seen it in a very respectfull server of IL-2 1946 and it DOES motivate the players, also is pretty cool.
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+1.
Wiley.
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whooo hoo!! a quantifiable way to verify my suckage. :lol
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When I fly in Squad ops that exact thing you're asking for is available in the after action report, and I think its great!
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When I fly in Squad ops that exact thing you're asking for is available in the after action report, and I think its great!
+1 for it to show to oneself special events style damage/kill logs.but only after you die. then a window should pop and show everything.
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+1
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HUGE +1^e100
Especially having a list of who you shot down and vice versa.
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I fly another sim that shows your hits, bullet type, kinetic energy, and gives you a summary of what you hit.
When you light someone up, white text fills the buffer like bombing a town center.
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+1! although if it was Pand's AAR, it would include:
14:41:39 Shot down a Ki-84-Ia flown by PilotName.
x6! :aok
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Add it to the scores page and wipe it clean everyday. That way it doesn't load up the text buffer nor does it add more data to the packets. Info is stored server side and accessed through the web page. Type your name, hit a button and it loads your AAR for the day.
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and perhaps you could download them so you have the record before it gets "washed" from the net?
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I think it would be absolutely fantastic to have an AAR at the end of each flight in each Arena. Example from "Out of the Sun - Frame 1":
Pand
14:11:09 Departed from Field #122 in a P-51D
14:31:07 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:32:01 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:32:40 Destroyed a fuel bunker at base #08
14:41:39 Shot down a Ki-84-Ia flown by PilotName.
15:22:24 Arrived Safely at Field #1
It would look very similar to all the logged items that are in the FSO/Event Logs plus changes in score statistics like:
- Arena sortie was flown in.
- Overall Hit % for the sortie.
- Kill Points Awarded.
- Total Objects Destroyed
- Total Aircraft Shot Down
- Perk Points Awarded, etc
Either have it pop up automatically upon getting returned to the tower after a sortie, or have an option to spawn the "Last Flight AAR" from the clipboard menu. Would also be nice to have a button that would export to a text file in the Aces High folder, similarly to what is done for screenshots.
I was reading the General forum and came across a post that spawned this expansion on the generic idea: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,332234.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,332234.0.html)
Plus 11111111! great idea.
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good idea, hopefully if implemented more readable than a real AA report. I have a page from my brigade site that covered a few days of action 44 years ago. It's a little hard to read, events clustered, no spacing or paragraphs. But I do feel for the probably 18yr old clerk typist that had to decipher whatever radio logs and scribbled notes to produce these reports. I was in 4/12th on those days covered in the report so I have kept a copy for many years.
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Add it to the scores page and wipe it clean everyday. That way it doesn't load up the text buffer nor does it add more data to the packets. Info is stored server side and accessed through the web page. Type your name, hit a button and it loads your AAR for the day.
that would make more sense. would really hate having to press a button when trying to up fast just to close the action report that 99.99% of the time nobody really cares what it is.
semp
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that would make more sense. would really hate having to press a button when trying to up fast just to close the action report that 99.99% of the time nobody really cares what it is.
semp
I'm on board with that ! <S>
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+1 :aok
If too difficult to crank out interface in game, maybe an export product to a subfolder in screenshots. Just a thought. This idea would also be great for videomakers since they could reference the log and jump right to the part in their recording. For this reason I'd also request that in addition to the conventional "time index" found in the film viewer IE "0:00-05:15," a "log time" also be displayed based on the time of day in the day IE "15:20:00-15:25:15L."
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All this data is already there as it is used on the scores pages. They also have the ability mine to compile the data because the scenarios have the after action reports available on their web page. All there seems to be needed would be for Skuzzy to add it to the web page.
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I would vastly prefer a kind of flight log on my local disc, just like films. That way there would also be no additional web resources be required. Simple text file in your "logs" folder.
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All ideas sounds great, I'm not partial to how I get the data, just that it is accessible!
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Good Stuff Pand!
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Maybe a clipboard option calling up an AAR for the last sortie you finished, so after landing and in the tower or after re-upping and climbing-out we can pull it up to review.
Maybe also in some form of temporary generated *.txt file in teh game directory, so after completeing "that" sortie, you can go into your AH directory and save a copy of it to your desktop.
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Maybe also in some form of temporary generated *.txt file in teh game directory, so after completeing "that" sortie, you can go into your AH directory and save a copy of it to your desktop.
Why temporary? Films aren't temporary either...
That would be a tremendous hassle to minimize AH after every sortie to copy that log file.
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I like the idea. +1
I also like and asume you mean it is a saved record. So If I up before checking the clip board in the hangar, I still have a way of knowing how many points, and perk points I earned on a sortie.
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Why temporary? Films aren't temporary either...
That would be a tremendous hassle to minimize AH after every sortie to copy that log file.
Seems to me it might be too much junk after so long.... similar to films but potentialy worse if it automaticly logs one for each individual sortie...
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Seems to me it might be too much junk after so long.... similar to films but potentialy worse if it automaticly logs one for each individual sortie...
They are still much smaller than any film or even a picture. And you could make auto-logging an option.
Creating a temorary log only for the last sortie would render it almost useless. In a heated battle I simply don't have the time for the alt-tab copy'n'paste alt -tab routine between sorties.
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If all your hits and receiving hits is displayed in the buffer as well as the summary of hits at the end of the sortie, all of the information would be contained within the film.
There would be no reason for a separate logging.
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They are still much smaller than any film or even a picture. And you could make auto-logging an option.
Creating a temorary log only for the last sortie would render it almost useless. In a heated battle I simply don't have the time for the alt-tab copy'n'paste alt -tab routine between sorties.
Or how about directories for each day if auto-loggign were eneabled. IE:
Aces High/User Data/Logs/AARs/
05092012/
05102012/
05142012/
06162012/
06172012/
Edit: I can see Luche now already making plans and arangements for a huge cloud server somewhere where as many of us players as possible can upload all our logs for his ultimate parsing pleasure. :lol
Edit2: Which, thinking about my earlier edit, maybe adding a line identifying an individual player/account that's being logged might be useful down the road.... how would such a thing work in offline mode though, where one doesnt log into their account prior to joining an offline arena?
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I see no point in having unless they are linked to a film. that way you wont have to see all 3 hours of it. it will tell you that 35 min into it you got an assist or a kill or whatever. seriously action reports after every flight are kindda useless unless you have the film that goes along with it. what are you gonna do save every single one of them and show them to your bff?
semp
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seriously action reports after every flight are kindda useless unless you have the film that goes along with it. what are you gonna do save every single one of them and show them to your bff?
to me, they would be as "useless" as my own kill statistics. And yes, I'd save and use every single one.
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to me, they would be as "useless" as my own kill statistics. And yes, I'd save and use every single one.
so you will inconvenience 99.9% of the players who dont really care about it so you can have yours? about 99% of the people dont really care what the statistics was last tour or the one before. you like our pie, good for you, most couldnt care less. about the only use i see is in the film and that is just so I dont have to see the full film to where i got the kill.
semp
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so you will inconvenience 99.9% of the players who dont really care about it so you can have yours?
How will my ability to save and look at my flight logs be an inconvenience to other players? Is the abiltity to record your sorties an inconveniance too?
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so you will inconvenience 99.9% of the players who dont really care about it so you can have yours? about 99% of the people dont really care what the statistics was last tour or the one before. you like our pie, good for you, most couldnt care less. about the only use i see is in the film and that is just so I dont have to see the full film to where i got the kill.
semp
I'm with Lusche here Semp. What's the big inconvenience? Score matters to some because it is just another challenge. When you can't find a good fight perhaps taking buffs up for the purpose of planning and executing a mission that maximized the points for a bomb drop is something to challenge yourself with. I sometimes fly to an isolated base in P-39 to see if I can conjure up a 1v1. If no one ups, I start taking out ack and other targets. It would be fun to see my score so I can figure out how many points I'm getting for various targets hit, and to use the results to optimize where I put my ammo for points. Not because I'm trying to win the tour attack trophy, but because it's something to do. Also points are awarded for damage to an aircraft. So how much you damage it vs. just killing it can change the points awarded for a kill. IT would be interesting to know how many points were awarded for killing con1, con2, etc.
I just like data.Don;t be a spoil sport. :D :salute
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It's just an excellent idea. It would make it possible to score things anywhere including custom arenas.
Squads who keep stats for internal promotion and awards for their squad nights would find it very useful.
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I'm with Lusche here Semp. What's the big inconvenience? Score matters to some because it is just another challenge. When you can't find a good fight perhaps taking buffs up for the purpose of planning and executing a mission that maximized the points for a bomb drop is something to challenge yourself with. I sometimes fly to an isolated base in P-39 to see if I can conjure up a 1v1. If no one ups, I start taking out ack and other targets. It would be fun to see my score so I can figure out how many points I'm getting for various targets hit, and to use the results to optimize where I put my ammo for points. Not because I'm trying to win the tour attack trophy, but because it's something to do. Also points are awarded for damage to an aircraft. So how much you damage it vs. just killing it can change the points awarded for a kill. IT would be interesting to know how many points were awarded for killing con1, con2, etc.
I just like data.Don;t be a spoil sport. :D :salute
you have no idea what the op is about do you?
Semp
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How will my ability to save and look at my flight logs be an inconvenience to other players? Is the abiltity to record your sorties an inconveniance too?
because either you look at them on the game and gotta close them before next time you up slowing us down, or they get saved off line and take up a lot of disk space due to volume of flights we do a day. That's why I would rather have them linked to a film or nothing at all.
as of right now you get stutters if you have too many films. It may also cause problems if you save every summary that few people will bother to check.
semp
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because either you look at them on the game and gotta close them before next time you up slowing us down, or they get saved off line and take up a lot of disk space due to volume of flights we do a day.
Why would it affect your or anybody else's disk space when I would use the logging option? Does the film auto recording option clog up your disk too?
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because either you look at them on the game and gotta close them before next time you up slowing us down, or they get saved off line and take up a lot of disk space due to volume of flights we do a day. That's why I would rather have them linked to a film or nothing at all.
as of right now you get stutters if you have too many films. It may also cause problems if you save every summary that few people will bother to check.
semp
You can toggle auto save film on or off, and you have to confirm "save" if you want to keep them. Why couldn't toggle auto save AAR on and off with a "save" prompt work the same?
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You can toggle auto save film on or off, and you have to confirm "save" if you want to keep them. Why couldn't toggle auto save AAR on and off with a "save" prompt work the same?
that works for me but a only option to save both if auto film is on, would really hate to press two different boxes when upping in hurry.
semp
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you have no idea what the op is about do you?
Semp
Yes I read the WHOLE thing...did you?
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that works for me but a only option to save both if auto film is on, would really hate to press two different boxes when upping in hurry.
semp
I would say in that case, you would be able to turn off the auto save feature from the beginning as you can now and won't even have to use the AAR feature if you are in that much of a hurry, but I suppose I would be OK with it being tied to the film as well.
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I would say in that case, you would be able to turn off the auto save feature from the beginning as you can now and won't even have to use the AAR feature if you are in that much of a hurry, but I suppose I would be OK with it being tied to the film as well.
it would make it easier when making movies if you knew at which point a plane got damaged or a kill recorded. but if you have selected both auto film and auto summary then only one box should be enough to save both or only one if either one was selected. the way I have it now I can up a plane fast and click save or cancel film while iam already on the runway, but it would take twice as long to press two boxes while the base is under attack.
that's the only reason.
semp
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Yes I read the WHOLE thing...did you?
then you dont realize you dont need a summary to tell you how to maximize your scoring points as it is not a secret. and it doesnt matter how many points you get if you damage a plane as it varies so much from battle to battle. even hitting objects wont be the same as you may not necessarily hit the same number with the same amount of ords or bullets. so in the case you want it for it may just confuse the hell out of you because you will see a big difference in points between one report and the other.
you can hit the center of town with 1 4k bomb and you wont land the same amount of points. just like you can kill a plane but not necessarily get the same amount of points. which for the reason you want it would be almost useless. unless of course you are good enough to come to a conclusion that if you kill a plane with 50 bullets it gives you the most points. but can you be accurate enough to do it? will you be counting the bullets as you fire? can you drop 1 bomb and be accurate enough to hit the same number of buildings every time?
semp
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then you dont realize you dont need a summary to tell you how to maximize your scoring points as it is not a secret. and it doesnt matter how many points you get if you damage a plane as it varies so much from battle to battle. even hitting objects wont be the same as you may not necessarily hit the same number with the same amount of ords or bullets. so in the case you want it for it may just confuse the hell out of you because you will see a big difference in points between one report and the other.
you can hit the center of town with 1 4k bomb and you wont land the same amount of points. just like you can kill a plane but not necessarily get the same amount of points. which for the reason you want it would be almost useless. unless of course you are good enough to come to a conclusion that if you kill a plane with 50 bullets it gives you the most points. but can you be accurate enough to do it? will you be counting the bullets as you fire? can you drop 1 bomb and be accurate enough to hit the same number of buildings every time?
semp
Looking a the film, and then seeing the recorded points, would be useful. When I land now, I don't get the points at all. Unless I wait for the server to log them, and check my points before and after each sortie from the web site. Then I only get a total. Not what I got for each thing I hit. there can be all kinds of detail in an Action report, but once we have one, we can ask for more detail. You said I allready know how many points I get for destroying an 88mm flak gun? How many? How any damage points for downing a spitsteen by taking his wing off vs pumping all my ammo into a B-17?
Statistally, do I get more points if I take my lanc formation and bomb a town, or the strats, or a buildings on a base?
not sure why you are claiming that none of this is new or useful information. :salute
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Looking a the film, and then seeing the recorded points, would be useful. When I land now, I don't get the points at all. Unless I wait for the server to log them, and check my points before and after each sortie from the web site. Then I only get a total. Not what I got for each thing I hit. there can be all kinds of detail in an Action report, but once we have one, we can ask for more detail. You said I allready know how many points I get for destroying an 88mm flak gun? How many? How any damage points for downing a spitsteen by taking his wing off vs pumping all my ammo into a B-17?
Statistally, do I get more points if I take my lanc formation and bomb a town, or the strats, or a buildings on a base?
not sure why you are claiming that none of this is new or useful information. :salute
because when it comes to score it's treated different. lets say you pump all your bullets into a b17 but dont kill it. you hill all 3 of them you and you fly away undamaged. you didnt get a kill but you hit% goes up a lot but but the other 4 scores may either go down or stay the same. if you understand how score works then you will understand that an action report is really meaningless when it comes in that context. ask around what is the best way to up your score and they will tell you the basics. but the action report wont help you a bit as it will confuse you more than help you.
you are thinking i the way if I kill 1 gun/object my score will go up this number of points. it doesnt work like that, at least not how I understand it.
me, i just want the action report attached to the film so I dont have to go look thru a 1 hr film looking for that one kill. :salute
semp