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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: shockyb on April 19, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
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Hello,
I have been trying to find a trainer and haven't had ANY luck can someone point me in the right direction. I have tried posting in chat and haven't had any luck. I'm sooo tired of being shot down, diving on a lower target and not hitting anything but the ground and being between 200 - 600 yards behind someone only to empty the cannon with minimal hits only to have him somehow get behind me and send me to a fiery death. I'm a full scale pilot, i work in the aviation engineering industry, and i fly RC airplanes, .40/.60/.90 size so i understand the concepts of flight. I got the maneuvers down for the most part, i understand "E" and i understand what it means to unload the plane to shoot. problem is when i Unload I'm usually to high, to low, to far right or to far left. i try to compensate for the unload by over exaggerating my aim point but when I let off the stick I'm ALWAYS off one way or the other. Ive adjusted my joystick "throws" on my elevator and rudder so that when I'm in the 0-20 percent range of defection my scaling is very low to allow for fine tuning but that's not working either. I know some of you have been playing for years but it shouldn't take a person this long to grasp SOME skill. I cant tell you how many times i have been in offline training, matched my speed to the bogey and was 200-400 yards behind the circling aircraft and still darn near emptied a full load of bullets and barely got a kill. I need help lol.. If anyone is willing to share some strats, show me how to do a good break, or log on and teach me how to fly and shoot these planes please post up and ill get back asap. You don't have to be an instructor most of you on here are pretty damn good anyway so ill willing to learn from anyone. I love the game I just cant seem to play it worth a damn.. Thanks a lot :airplane:
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You've come to the right place. I'm sure a trainer will see your post directly. A few of them usually hang out in the Training Arena every night on the Bishops side. They're very patient and good at explaining things.
I'd be more then willing to help you out, but there are tons of guys around here more qualified for that then me. I am curious about what you have your guns converged at. A good all around set-up is 400 in my opinion. Also wondering if the nose of your plane is bouncing around when you fire.
Anyway a good place to start is here: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/ and here:
http://www.netaces.org/
In the AcesHigh training link, pay close attention to the "controller setup and calibration" section as well as the convergence section.
Also lots of good info about basic flight maneuvers in both those links above. :salute
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Shockyb,
As Uptown said this is the right place to start,look through some of the information that's available in the forum and that can go a long way to helping you ac hive your goal.
Most the trainers post in this forum and you can always send a "pm" to anyone of them to arrange a day and time for some 1 on 1. Also as Uptown said try the training arena,I'm in there most nights and generally help and answer questions as needed.
If you choose to pm a trainer it's best to include time zone in order for us to find a good fit,we're all volunteers so please have some patience as I'm sure some of the other trainers will pop in here to help out.
I generally can be found in the TA between 9pm and 11 pm est most nights.
:salute
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@ Uptown My convergence is set at 400 and I fly the Jug M model for air to air. My nose does bounce around a lot and by the time i stabilize it the other airplane has changed attitude. by that time i get frustrated and lose all E trying to pull tight turns to get my nose ahead of his and next thing you know. Mayday mayday mayday... lol i have set my dead zone at numerous different settings along with the deadband and still seem to over or under compensate. i cant even get lined up with a guy coming head on with me some how i end up to one side or the other and usually die or take one right in the oil cooler. My flight equipment consists of rudder pedals ( i prefer them to using the yaw on the joystick and a cyborgX joystick.
@ Mortified I'm heading to the training area right now to see if you are available Callsign Shrapnel. I also am on Pacific Time so usually anytime after 6:30 until midnight is good for me.
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Just came out of training area Crickets chirping in there thats about it. feel free to email me and ill do whatever i can to arrange some training time.. Thanks
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yay another jug driver. well if I was active I would gladly show you a few things, but importunately i cant.
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Quick question. Do you use zoom while firing? It can help a lot but don't zoom in all the way. Hit alt-z for default zoom levels. That seems to work pretty well and map a zoom toggle to one of your joystick buttons.
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Quick question. Do you use zoom while firing? It can help a lot but don't zoom in all the way. Hit alt-z for default zoom levels. That seems to work pretty well and map a zoom toggle to one of your joystick buttons.
when im behind someone i use the "Z" button and it zooms pretty close.. I tried the shift z, control z, and alt z none of those work. just the Z button works
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You do realise that since time and space are intimately connected that shooting at where an aircraft is means that by the time the bullets arrive he will no longer be there? Here, read these and watch the video:-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/BagtheHunCover.jpg) (http://www.4shared.com/document/SSRZ0ds3/Bag_the_Hun__RAF_Gunnery_Manua.html)
Useful YouTube video based on Bag the Hun:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIz2bIBLwM
The German equivalent:-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/SchiessfibelCover.jpg) (http://www.4shared.com/document/QCAOypFW/Schiessfibel.html)
Sounds like you also need to dampen your joystick. This is on the left side of the advanced settings in controllers if I remember correctly. I'm sure some kind soul would be willing to share a screenshot.
Regarding the TA, what timezone do you fly on? It's a good place to hang round even without trainers present. I'm on CET and I mostly never see a trainer there until evening.
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Damping the joystick is helpful for bad pots that spike but I wouldn't use damping if you can avoid it because it makes the response mushy. Default scaling for pitch is likely more useful.
Bag the Hun is a very useful manual.
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The 47s are really heavy planes and real easy to lose E in if ya aren't careful. I good rule of thumb I think for starting out in a BnZ plane like that is to practice keeping it at 250 IAS and above when within icon range of a con and fight mostly up and down avoiding too many E burning turns. Internal fuel @ no more then 50%. I take drop tanks to use until I acquire a target.
I trying to aim for the pilot seat or wing roots giving them short bursts until I know I'm no target...then unload. Also, not to discourge you from the P47s as they are awesome planes, I'd suggest you take the Niki for a spin. 900 rounds of 20mm cannon rounds, fairly fast, light, and turns well. I think it's a great plane to learn gunnery in as it will often get you a kill with minimal round hits compared to the .50 cals.
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Im not much of a Trainer right now, but I can at least show you the basics of ACM and shooting. If nothing else, I am a pretty target.
The key to gunnery is the lead you need to pull. And trust me, if you think you pull enough ahead, double the lead and then you'll hit :).
Theres an easy, albeit slightly boring way to practice your "gun eye" - pick on the drones in offline mode, using the "lead computed gunsight" - it will show you a crosshair where to put your gun pipper to hit at any given time. In offline mode, you will have to turn it on in the Arena Settings first. For that, you open your clipboard -> Options -> Arena Setup-> Enviroment -> Arena Settings.... then you get a list of weird "parameters". Go find FlightModeFlags and check the box for the lead computed gunsight. Hit OK. Now you can "mark" a target with your TAB key and should get the green LCG. On a side note, the LCG works in the TA for friendlies, you just have to enable friendly lock but switching it on with CTRL_TAB, then you can lock targets with TAB same as offline.
Another tip for gunnery. The heavier your bullets, the more they drop, the more lead you need to pull. Start with Cal50 MGs... they do reasonable damage, while being lighter then canon rounds. Also, dont try to shoot canon at the same time as MGs (like on the Spits for example).... due to much different ballistics, they only hit target at the same spot under very special convergence and distance settings. For some advanced thoughts on convergence and gunnery, try http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/ or http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/AHTC/Convergence.pdf.
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Gratuitous advice from somebody from the lower tier of skill: Try a plane that keeps E better, has cannons, reasonable speed, good climb and is not snotty like the spitfires. Fly the 205. If I can shoot things down in it anybody can. Doesn't run out of bullets. Avoid the spitfires they are the nemesis. Another thing: take any cannon plane,(ok a spit16,) and knock down ack at a base out of the way, they are static targets but it helps with your aim and maneuvering as your changing speed and turning a lot, also the fact that you can get shot up helps you take it seriously, (well sort of.)
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Just came out of training area Crickets chirping in there thats about it. feel free to email me and ill do whatever i can to arrange some training time.. Thanks
Ya sorry about that i'd logged off because no one was around and it was getting late here!
Since you're west coast and I'm east,you'll have to show up around 6:30,7 O'clock your time. Fridays I'm usually in the TA warming up for FSO so be sure to check in before 9pm your time. Then we can setup a day and time that will work for the both of us and get you sorted out.
Hope to see you soon!
:salute
PS: heya Schatzi,once a trainer always a trainer. :aok
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Wow Very good reading and informative video.. I have learned that i am grossly undershooting on most targets. thanks for the info i think it is another notch in the belt of understanding :aok
You do realise that since time and space are intimately connected that shooting at where an aircraft is means that by the time the bullets arrive he will no longer be there? Here, read these and watch the video:-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/BagtheHunCover.jpg) (http://www.4shared.com/document/SSRZ0ds3/Bag_the_Hun__RAF_Gunnery_Manua.html)
Useful YouTube video based on Bag the Hun:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIz2bIBLwM
The German equivalent:-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/SchiessfibelCover.jpg) (http://www.4shared.com/document/QCAOypFW/Schiessfibel.html)
Sounds like you also need to dampen your joystick. This is on the left side of the advanced settings in controllers if I remember correctly. I'm sure some kind soul would be willing to share a screenshot.
Regarding the TA, what timezone do you fly on? It's a good place to hang round even without trainers present. I'm on CET and I mostly never see a trainer there until evening.
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Ok Ill give the Niki a go as soon as i log in .. I only chose the jug because to me it seems to have the most unobstructed view, secondly because it has a pretty good weapons arsenal and lastly its a pretty cool looking airplane (lol sorry but its true) When fighting in most airplanes should i attempt to keep my IAS @ 250 or is that just BnZ?
The 47s are really heavy planes and real easy to lose E in if ya aren't careful. I good rule of thumb I think for starting out in a BnZ plane like that is to practice keeping it at 250 IAS and above when within icon range of a con and fight mostly up and down avoiding too many E burning turns. Internal fuel @ no more then 50%. I take drop tanks to use until I acquire a target.
I trying to aim for the pilot seat or wing roots giving them short bursts until I know I'm no target...then unload. Also, not to discourge you from the P47s as they are awesome planes, I'd suggest you take the Niki for a spin. 900 rounds of 20mm cannon rounds, fairly fast, light, and turns well. I think it's a great plane to learn gunnery in as it will often get you a kill with minimal round hits compared to the .50 cals.
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I agree after reading bag the hun and watching the video I am definitely undercompensating by a gratuitous amount. The hard part is shooting at a target that you dont even see in the gunsight because your firing offset is so great. ill do the offline LCG that you suggested that should definitely help.
I'm not much of a Trainer right now, but I can at least show you the basics of ACM and shooting. If nothing else, I am a pretty target.
The key to gunnery is the lead you need to pull. And trust me, if you think you pull enough ahead, double the lead and then you'll hit :).
Theres an easy, albeit slightly boring way to practice your "gun eye" - pick on the drones in offline mode, using the "lead computed gunsight" - it will show you a crosshair where to put your gun pipper to hit at any given time. In offline mode, you will have to turn it on in the Arena Settings first. For that, you open your clipboard -> Options -> Arena Setup-> Enviroment -> Arena Settings.... then you get a list of weird "parameters". Go find FlightModeFlags and check the box for the lead computed gunsight. Hit OK. Now you can "mark" a target with your TAB key and should get the green LCG. On a side note, the LCG works in the TA for friendlies, you just have to enable friendly lock but switching it on with CTRL_TAB, then you can lock targets with TAB same as offline.
Another tip for gunnery. The heavier your bullets, the more they drop, the more lead you need to pull. Start with Cal50 MGs... they do reasonable damage, while being lighter then canon rounds. Also, dont try to shoot canon at the same time as MGs (like on the Spits for example).... due to much different ballistics, they only hit target at the same spot under very special convergence and distance settings. For some advanced thoughts on convergence and gunnery, try http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/ or http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/AHTC/Convergence.pdf.
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Ill give the 205 a try as well.. Ill try anything my plane of choice will find me soon enough. It will select me not the other way around :D
Gratuitous advice from somebody from the lower tier of skill: Try a plane that keeps E better, has cannons, reasonable speed, good climb and is not snotty like the spitfires. Fly the 205. If I can shoot things down in it anybody can. Doesn't run out of bullets. Avoid the spitfires they are the nemesis. Another thing: take any cannon plane,(ok a spit16,) and knock down ack at a base out of the way, they are static targets but it helps with your aim and maneuvering as your changing speed and turning a lot, also the fact that you can get shot up helps you take it seriously, (well sort of.)
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Ok Ill give the Niki a go as soon as i log in .. I only chose the jug because to me it seems to have the most unobstructed view, secondly because it has a pretty good weapons arsenal and lastly its a pretty cool looking airplane (lol sorry but its true) When fighting in most airplanes should i attempt to keep my IAS @ 250 or is that just BnZ?
The 250 IAS is just a rule of thumb I go by when doing the BnZ thing. It really all depends on what the other guy is doing, what his plane can do, what his E state is compared to mine....so on and so forth. The reason I told you 250 is because the Jugs are so dang heavy, that when you get them slow it takes forever to get any speed back when you're low. 250 is right around the best corner speed for the 47s.
I'm going to post a film of a BFM training clinic that a couple of trainers put on a month or so ago. Check it out. Read the Q&A session in the text buffer too. A lot of good info you might be interested in.You may want to open a MediaFire account to post and view films others from this game put up. Alot of folks around here use it. Films are pretty handy to see where you're doing good or not so good. So remember to film some of your fights.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ww4dch65ebm3moc It's about an hour to an hour and a half long
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I agree after reading bag the hun and watching the video I am definitely undercompensating by a gratuitous amount. The hard part is shooting at a target that you dont even see in the gunsight because your firing offset is so great. ill do the offline LCG that you suggested that should definitely help.
On the Trainer Homepage, Look under the "Learning to fly" section for "Look forward - a view to a kill" - that will help you a bit with this problem.
Also, get real close and personal for shooting at the beginning.... within the 200 yard icon range is optimal.
BTW, I am Euro time zone, mostly on in the evenings.
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deflection shooting is an art, and it takes a lot of time to really get good at it.
fist thing to know is that you should really be thinking about pulling the trigger at 600 or closer with >400 being your ideal (you can take longer shots - but they are gambles at best)
A good way to practice is to go offline and shoot at the drones. Saddle up around 400 and try to hold your bird there and take short bursts (less then half a second) at the target (I suggest a bunch of B17s) and watch your bullets - compensate (but keep it at 400 steady) and shoot another short bursts (move the rudder around and watch how it changes your bullet trajectory radically). Once get that down, climb up and dive in so you just come down behind the target (remember to throttle down when going downhill) so you end up 1.0 or so behind the target - steady the plane until 600 and pull the trigger between 600 and 300 - then go up again - roll the plane over at 250 <since you don't want to go slower> and repeat the process - get a feel for the motion - don't pull too hard but try to conserve your e and as you roll, keep your eye on the target throughout the maneuver (check speed until you don't even need to see the speed anymore because you can 'feel' it). Once you get to this point, start the attacks from different angles (to create more deflection) and in the roll over - try yo-yos and vector rolls (roll 'away' from the target but create angles on the target) and after that to smaller planes.
It is not a substitute for the real thing, but it will start you down the right path.
As for ACM (air combat maneuvers) - well I would continue to work with people in here and also consider joining a squad.
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Awesome video.. Learned ALOT. I have been living a little bit longer utilizing some of the techniques in the video. I still suck at shooting but have had a few deflection hits on the enemy no kills but 1 or 2 hits. I really need some one on one with someone but i am learning a lot from this thread..
The 250 IAS is just a rule of thumb I go by when doing the BnZ thing. It really all depends on what the other guy is doing, what his plane can do, what his E state is compared to mine....so on and so forth. The reason I told you 250 is because the Jugs are so dang heavy, that when you get them slow it takes forever to get any speed back when you're low. 250 is right around the best corner speed for the 47s.
I'm going to post a film of a BFM training clinic that a couple of trainers put on a month or so ago. Check it out. Read the Q&A session in the text buffer too. A lot of good info you might be interested in.You may want to open a MediaFire account to post and view films others from this game put up. Alot of folks around here use it. Films are pretty handy to see where you're doing good or not so good. So remember to film some of your fights.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ww4dch65ebm3moc It's about an hour to an hour and a half long
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Sidebar question.. but don't stop posting the knowledge to help me be a better pilot. .. When I'm flying and coming up on a target i get a lot of bouncing around. For instance if i am in a diving right turn and I pull wings level my nose tends to bounce around a little laterally <-- --> even with my hands firmly on the joystick with no additional movement other than the initial pull to wings level. Is this normal? is there a setting that i can use to adjust this? I've tried deadband and dampening and it has no effect it seems on the lateral oscillations encountered from the maneuver. I think this is yet another reason i cant seem to shoot very well. I have to wait till the movement stabilizes before fine tuning my guns on the target. to give a better understanding of what the problem is picture this. You step on your rudder full left or right deflection then instead of countering back to center with opposite rudder you quickly just remove your foot and it cause your aircraft to oscillate left and right for a bit. I have a cyborg X joystick and CH pro rudder pedals. Also if someone could put a pic up of where my flight control scaling for elevator and maybe rudder is supposed to be that would be great. Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving me. I was at the end of my rope and thinking of quitting. I loved the game but couldn't figure it out but now since posting in here i have renewed faith thanks to all of you.. So i think I'll stay.. :salute :salute
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Here is a picture from "Murdr"
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/rudder.jpg)
It is a good place to start on setting up your rudders. It may be a bit "aggressive" and you might want to slide the sliders down towards the bottom even more to smooth out your controls. The same could be set up for your elevators, the ailerons you want across the top for max response.
Two things. You want to teach yourself to be easy on the stick. "Smooth is fast" The less jerking around you do the better you save "E" (energy). Adjusting the stick is ok, but learning to be smooth is better. Second, you said "pull wings level". You are ALWAYS level, its the world that is not. Don't get stuck thinking that you have to level your wings with the world to be flying strait. Your in a 3D world without gravity, the only "G"s you pull are positive and negative by pushing or pulling on the stick. The point is learn your plane, how to point it where it needs to be to get to a spot to throw lead out in front of another plane so that plane flys into it. Up, down, left, right, it doesn't matter.
Keep at it! I've been here 10 years and learn something new everytime I die.... err fly :D No body is perfect at this game. Some guys/girls are VERY good, but they get shot down too.