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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: danny76 on May 08, 2012, 02:36:53 AM
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IL2's should have the option for PTAB bomblets. Sturmoviks carried 4 containers with 48 in each. Thoroughly selfish of me because my GV bombing is cack, But as well as anti GV I would like to see the "original JP233" against field ack and carriers
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You'll never see it. The IL2 has been slowly gelded and the game has gone largely GV. PTABs, if modeled correctly, would cause no end of whining. Let me see, 1, no F3, 2 now in fighter hangars, 3 NS-37 AP has less hitting power. After all this I doubt they will allow us to chuck 200 PTABs out the bomb bay.
Oh, and #4 they changed the distance you can even see the GV.
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Let me see, 1, no F3, 2 now in fighter hangars, 3 NS-37 AP has less hitting power.
No change has been applied to the NS-37
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No change has been applied to the NS-37
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274113.0.html
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Yep, they got unsynced which didn't affect their accuracy too much IMO. What Lusche probably meant that their hitting power hasn't seen any chances which Rich52 claimed.
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274113.0.html
But that was 3 years ago and didn't affect the killing capability with the NS-37 at all. The "hitting power" is still the same.
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But that was 3 years ago and didn't affect the killing capability with the NS-37 at all. The "hitting power" is still the same.
Well since you want to get specific now then no. :D
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+1
It was the combination of the IL2m3 and the PTAB that made it such a deadly air borne threat to ground armour from mid 43 onwards not modelling it is like not giving the Spit Hispanos IMO.......................... .
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You'll never see it. The IL2 has been slowly gelded and the game has gone largely GV. PTABs, if modeled correctly, would cause no end of whining. Let me see, 1, no F3, 2 now in fighter hangars, 3 NS-37 AP has less hitting power. After all this I doubt they will allow us to chuck 200 PTABs out the bomb bay.
Oh, and #4 they changed the distance you can even see the GV.
The F3 mode was for a reason, I don't see real pilots using F3 mode to spot ground vehicles secondly people were using Il2s for base defense in F3 mode while in attack mode - which is strictly for bombers.
NS-37 is simply not sync'ed - does not mean the killing power was reduced what so ever, a decent IL-2 pilot can score easily 5 GV kills with little skill.
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The F3 mode was for a reason, I don't see real pilots using F3 mode to spot ground vehicles secondly people were using Il2s for base defense in F3 mode while in attack mode - which is strictly for bombers.
NS-37 is simply not sync'ed - does not mean the killing power was reduced what so ever, a decent IL-2 pilot can score easily 5 GV kills with little skill.
F3 is great while trying to spot GV"s though
now in a IL2 i don't know if its right cuase i believe the f3 was to simulate the fact that in bombers you have more than one set of eyes viewing all angles of the sky
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"Rich" used to fly the IL2 exclusivey, and only against GVs unless some fighter pilot was stupid enough to get in front of me. And you had to be pretty bad even with F3 to get kilt by an IL2. In fact you had to be pathetic. There was only one IL2 jock who used the thing as a fighter, "we all know who", and even with him you had to be either pretty bad, or pretty dumb, to get shot down. The A-20 is faster, climbs better, rolls better, probably turns better, and has a better gun package against fighters then the IL2, but still this "IL2 vs fighters" myth continues. The truth is the GV'ers didnt like getting killed by a tank killer aircraft that actually killed tanks in WW2.
And there were only a few of us tank specialists in IL2s and mobs of Tankers who thought they should get a pass. So thats why a plane with a bomb door/rear gunner is in the FH with no F3, thats why it doesnt hit as hard with its NS-37s "I dont care what anyone says", and thats why its on its way to being a semi-Hangar Queen, "we'll call it a Princess".
Tell me you never used F3 to spot GVs and I'll just laugh at you. BTW Butcher the last 4 tours youv gotten 13 IL2 kills, and I didnt even check what you killed. So I guess your talking about somone else. ;)
The F3 mode was for a reason, I don't see real pilots using F3 mode to spot ground vehicles secondly people were using Il2s for base defense in F3 mode while in attack mode - which is strictly for bombers.
NS-37 is simply not sync'ed - does not mean the killing power was reduced what so ever, a decent IL-2 pilot can score easily 5 GV kills with little skill.
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And you had to be pretty bad even with F3 to get kilt by an IL2. In fact you had to be pathetic. There was only one IL2 jock who used the thing as a fighter, "we all know who", and even with him you had to be either pretty bad, or pretty dumb, to get shot down. The A-20 is faster, climbs better, rolls better, probably turns better, and has a better gun package against fighters then the IL2, but still this "IL2 vs fighters" myth continues.
Never really flew her without F3, but I never had to much of a problem dogfighting with the Il2. The 37s have great balistics and it will turn inside most fighters for 2 or 3 turns while it holds some E.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=Fish42&kcnt=110&selectTour=LWTour144&pindex=50
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=Fish42&kcnt=72&selectTour=LWTour145&pindex=50
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Tell me you never used F3 to spot GVs and I'll just laugh at you. BTW Butcher the last 4 tours youv gotten 13 IL2 kills, and I didnt even check what you killed. So I guess your talking about somone else. ;)
As a tanker Rich, I really don't use Il-2s unless the Vehicle Hanger is down - if you check the previous 15 tours...you'd notice I have the same pattern.
Here are my kills when the VH is down:
147:
Il-2 10 0 0 2
Tour 146: no GV kills from the air
Tour 145: 1 kill in an Il-2
Tour 144:
A-20G 4 5 0 0
Il-2 2 4 2 2
143:
Il-2 2 5 0 1
A-20G 3 15 1 1
Last tour I flew with a series number was 144:
A-20G 48 21 3 7
Il-2 22 8 0 7
Panther G 878 31 12 28
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You are discovering the short comings of the NS-37.
48mm/400m/60 degrees
Not many of you have ever upped an IL2 offline and tried to kill tanks from the same shallow angles you attack them online. The best attack angle is about 30 degrees from 400 yards down into the engine compartment.
The IL2 killed most heavy tanks using bombs. The NS-37 was best effective against lighter ground vehicals and equipment. The PTAB coupled with our style of game play would render GV's almost obsolete as a game play option. HTC could be mean and limit each bomb bay to 4 so it would be limited to good dive bombing skill and not simple carpet bomb gameiness. And we all know we would get as stinkingly gamey as possible with full loads of PTAB if HTC set no limitations.
In the game we attack tanks from too shallow an angle because we now spend much of our time hiding from potential wirbels and the tank driver sitting in "commander" mode waiting to blow us out of the air with a single main gun shot. Dry erase dots on the monitor anyone. We used to be able to attack from a high angle becasue we could see the icons out to 3k. This allowed us to concentrate rounds down into the engine compartment with it's very thin armor covering.
Now we are shooting at angles too flat into armor the 37mm AP was not desinged to penetrate. Nothing has happened to the 37mm AP rounds. Our game play was changed for us where it comes to attacking GV. We now attack at real world angle of attacks becasue we have semi real world visual limitations that made dropping bombs on tanks the primary method for IL2 to kill them. We get slaughtered in our IL2's at about the same rates the russians did attacking GV's and guns shooting back at them.
As for furballing in the IL2. There was a reason the rear gunner was incorperated in WW2. Then the germans changed to attacking them from underneath. Where possible they got fighter escorts and still they lost a boat load of them.
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Now we are shooting at angles too flat into armor the 37mm AP was not desinged to penetrate. Nothing has happened to the 37mm AP rounds. Our game play was changed for us where it comes to attacking GV. We now attack at real world angle of attacks becasue we have semi real world visual limitations that made dropping bombs on tanks the primary method for IL2 to kill them. We get slaughtered in our IL2's at about the same rates the russians did attacking GV's and guns shooting back at them.
Has the reduced icon range really such a big impact? Not on finding the tanks but on the way thy are attacked? I mean, bombing them had always been the #1 way to kill them in planes, and I find myself using the same angles in my Hurri D as before. It didn't take long to adjust for the short icon ranges. It's just more difficult to find them in the first place, particularly when they have cover with engine shut down. But I like that, much fun!
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Has the reduced icon range really such a big impact? Not on finding the tanks but on the way thy are attacked? I mean, bombing them had always been the #1 way to kill them in planes, and I find myself using the same angles in my Hurri D as before. It didn't take long to adjust for the short icon ranges. It's just more difficult to find them in the first place, particularly when they have cover with engine shut down. But I like that, much fun!
Even with the Removed F3 mode, the Il-2 using a spotter is the most deadliest ground attack aircraft, one sortie using a Storch I banged out 7 or so kills? It must of been a recent tour.
I don't even need a dive, I come in low using ZOOM to locate where the turret is aimed - if its at me - I turn away and attack the next tank - otherwise side shots at 200 do the work.
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The IL2M3 with the PTAB should be the uber tank killer it was............. but lets be clear it was not accurate...... these things would be spilled over tank positions and some would penetrate armour and some (having penetrated armour) would knock out a tank or render its drive systems useless, many would miss altogether. Standard tactic was for a group of Il2's to circle low over massed tank formations carpeting the area in PTAB's. Whermacht opened up its tank formations from Kursk onwards for this very reason.
If tanks were in proximity to an air base that had access to the IL2m3 with PTAB, and if they were there without air cover or at least ground>air defence then they would be slaughtered (read Bagration and the tank losses to IL2M3's in the region of Minsk) .............. and rightly so.............. and so should it be in AH IMO.
Perhaps it should be a "perked" ordinance or perhaps if it makes the IL2m3 over popular the plane itself should be perked..........
I would also comment that the recent changes to icon visibility have brought about a much more viable gameplay model. Vehicles are no longer lit up for all to see from longer distances and have some chance to hide under vegetation
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bustr if its one thing I know how to do in this game its kill tanks with NS-37 guns. Even the panzers-4s are harder to penetrate in low angle attacks and their side plate is crap. As to PTABs it seems that every real life thing that can be used to limit the platform is embraced while every real life thing that could enhance it is ignored. PTABs actualy WERE used and actually WERE devestating to armor. Course the Germans didnt pay $15 a month to have PTABs dumped on them. ;)
The Hurri-D is a diferent animal. It has a much better climb rate and is more agile. Its easier to achieve the high angle to penetrate plate even still. At the same time it has no bomb bay and no rear gunner so it deserves to be in the FH and without F3.
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PTAB's? Really? You've got to be kidding! :furious Think of all the crying that will be on the forums you fool! :bhead
:lol
Seriously though, if it was used quite a bit, I don't see why not. Finally, an effective way to kill a KT with an Il-2. :aok
However, with all this talk about the NS-37, I leave with this; and mind you, assume both used 100 RPG...
BK37 vs NS-37
:devil
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PTAB's? +1, if they can be modelled correctly. If it was a widely used ordinance, there's no reason it shouldn't be available here. Surely it can't be any more devastating to armour than an 1800kg Volkswagen dropped from a Stuka.
F3 for IL2? Cheesy arcade game crap that has no business in a flight or combat sim.
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PTAB's would be quite destructive with campers :)
Big +1
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PTABs will be added to the game at the same time that they add nukes...
MH
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I have more kills in IL2 than anyone else in this game according to that spreadsheet lusche did a while back.
I love flying the il2 and I enjoy the removal of f3 view immensly. it has undweebed it by a bit. taking it out of the bomber hangar has made it even less dweeby as the save-the-base-at-all-costs tards dont flock to it when the fighter hangars are down.
the reduction of icons on ground vehicles is also excellent. it dosn't affect the slow moving low flying il2 much.
its easier to survive pesky fighters than wirblewinds in the slow flying il2. over the very large ground wars its almost certain death to try to make cannon runs on turret roofs with a pack of wirbles hosing you down. generally when the wirbles get that thick you have to resort back to the speedy fw190f8 with its armor piercing rockets and the bomb or a p47 if you dont have the knack with the rockets.
a20... wayy too gamey and dweeb central. I refuse to fly it on general priciple that it has no business having an external view either. not to mention 8 chances to miss. at least it gets shredded by wirbles like the il2 when air defense vehicles are at the fight.
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I have more kills in IL2 than anyone else in this game according to that spreadsheet lusche did a while back.
I did? :headscratch:
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the most kills per plane type thing
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the most kills per plane type thing
I did one chart for 2011 only (it's pretty much pointless to do one for all times), and you came out on #7 in kills, GHI still # 1 in that category with 1508 kills.
However, GHI has largely given up flying the IL-2 since the big change :D
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ah. well I like it a lot since the change.
no external view for a plane with armored peepholes for windows is the correct one.
now to get tanks with no external view :devil
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I have more kills in IL2 than anyone else in this game according to that spreadsheet lusche did a while back.
I love flying the il2 and I enjoy the removal of f3 view immensly. it has undweebed it by a bit. taking it out of the bomber hangar has made it even less dweeby as the save-the-base-at-all-costs tards dont flock to it when the fighter hangars are down.
the reduction of icons on ground vehicles is also excellent. it dosn't affect the slow moving low flying il2 much.
its easier to survive pesky fighters than wirblewinds in the slow flying il2. over the very large ground wars its almost certain death to try to make cannon runs on turret roofs with a pack of wirbles hosing you down. generally when the wirbles get that thick you have to resort back to the speedy fw190f8 with its armor piercing rockets and the bomb or a p47 if you dont have the knack with the rockets.
a20... wayy too gamey and dweeb central. I refuse to fly it on general priciple that it has no business having an external view either. not to mention 8 chances to miss. at least it gets shredded by wirbles like the il2 when air defense vehicles are at the fight.
Nail, meet hammer.
You hit it right on the head.
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lusche you got me looking through the recent il2 stats... I saw a guy named DMZ with astronomical il2 k/d then I saw it was vs a pt boat and a jeep... 132 times... against the same guy... over multiple tours lmao!
thats a lot of dedication to playing with yourself in public... er an online arena.
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lusche you got me looking through the recent il2 stats... I saw a guy named DMZ with astronomical il2 k/d then I saw it was vs a pt boat and a jeep... 132 times... against the same guy... over multiple tours lmao!
thats a lot of dedication to playing with yourself in public... er an online arena.
You found somethign that can be turned in to HTC. If you take an even closer look at the "victim" you will see it's just a tip of the iceberg. Actually it's the worst case I have ever seen in AH. :furious
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Lmao! 547 kills on MsPamela in tour 147. and hes at it this tour too! ROFLMAOLOL! MsPamela has 11 kills and 581 deaths in tour 147. 547 deaths to DMZ.
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Actually it's several thousand kills over several tours.
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Actually it's several thousand kills over several tours.
And this is important because...? Maybe he is practicing his gunnery. :)
MH
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And this is important because...? Maybe he is practicing his gunnery. :)
You ain't serious?
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You ain't serious?
MsPamela is his girl friend?
MH
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MsPamela is his girl friend?
MH
I don't find that stuff funny at all. I know HTC doesn't either.
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I don't find that stuff funny at all. I know HTC doesn't either.
Relax Lusche; no sexual innuendo was intended. Again, why do you care about this guys's score?
MH
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I can see where it all went wrong for him and his presumable ex wife/girlfriend MsPamela
DMZ - "ok honey I made you an account you just hit this then this... ok stay there... hmm they got you! just hit the spawn button again. wow he got you again!"
MsPamela - "It sends me back to the start screen every time I hit the spawn key and theres a bunch of banging noises."
DMZ - "try the pt boat instead of the jeep!"
MsPamela - "I'm seeing someone else I want a divorce"
DMZ - "Just keep hitting the spawn key!"
MsPamela - "here I left this bobblehead duck thing that hits the spawn key every few seconds to keep you company. Goodbye"
DMZ - "Your doing great keep it up!"
DMZ - "Winning!"
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I can see where it all went wrong for him and his presumable ex wife/girlfriend MsPamela
DMZ - "ok honey I made you an account you just hit this then this... ok stay there... hmm they got you! just hit the spawn button again. wow he got you again!"
MsPamela - "It sends me back to the start screen every time I hit the spawn key and theres a bunch of banging noises."
DMZ - "try the pt boat instead of the jeep!"
MsPamela - "I'm seeing someone else I want a divorce"
DMZ - "Just keep hitting the spawn key!"
MsPamela - "here I left this bobblehead duck thing that hits the spawn key every few seconds to keep you company. Goodbye"
DMZ - "Your doing great keep it up!"
DMZ - "Winning!"
:rofl
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Relax Lusche; no sexual innuendo was intended. Again, why do you care?
MH
I didn't think of any such innuendo.
It's basically cheating. You may not care of score or ranks, but it's the oifficial part of the game mechaniks with a prominent place on the frontpage. Also it's a cheap shortcut to perks. Offenders have been punished by HTC in the past for that very reasons. It's damaging the game's intregrity.
Im now retiring from further public discussion of that matter.
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My personal opinion is if he wants to kill himself for perks or rank and pay double for it more power to him. I sprayed pepsi all over my monitor and have been laughing since I found this so maybe I am looking at him through the lense of a couple beers. HTC will likely slaughter him but I am extremely amused by this.
then again this commentary from someone like me who has been around here way to long... I get rank 1 by accident when I'm bored and looking for somthing to do when online after flying a whole tour and not getting killed goes up in smoke :D
in other words... getting high rank is like winning the special olympics for dweebs. you get the distinction of being the number one retard.
killing yourself thousands of times goes into a whole different spectrum of questionable sanity. Freud... paging Dr Freud.
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Actually it's several thousand kills over several tours.
Wow just took a look at those numbers. :(
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I guess you could help but use two threads to call the guy out. You shouldnt have used any and PM'd Hitech instead. Being the top IL2 pilot now means about as much as a can of beans, and before it meant as much as a cup of coffee. Its use is down about %70 cause its such a POS now. My guess is, while you obviously have some skill, you are doing a lot of bomb****ing with few enemy fighters around and probably a lot of wingers watching your back.
Want to get rid of F3 then do so for every plane in the game. I was a Loner in the IL2 back when I was good in it and never used Ords or attacked VH bases out of respect. Now? I hope every lancJabo chucks 1,000lb's at every VH he see's.
You shouldnt have turned two threads into embarrassment threads Fester. Most of all this one.
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DMZ busted killing shades?
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/3/36/Nope_its_just_chuck_testa_66682.jpg)
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I guess you could help but use two threads to call the guy out. You shouldnt have used any and PM'd Hitech instead. Being the top IL2 pilot now means about as much as a can of beans, and before it meant as much as a cup of coffee. Its use is down about %70 cause its such a POS now. My guess is, while you obviously have some skill, you are doing a lot of bomb****ing with few enemy fighters around and probably a lot of wingers watching your back.
Want to get rid of F3 then do so for every plane in the game. I was a Loner in the IL2 back when I was good in it and never used Ords or attacked VH bases out of respect. Now? I hope every lancJabo chucks 1,000lb's at every VH he see's.
You shouldnt have turned two threads into embarrassment threads Fester. Most of all this one.
Rich, you may possibly be taking all this a bit too seriously. If you no longer enjoy killing helpless GVs, you might consider trying other aspects of the game. Lots of interesting possibilities still. MH
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You found somethign that can be turned in to HTC. If you take an even closer look at the "victim" you will see it's just a tip of the iceberg. Actually it's the worst case I have ever seen in AH. :furious
since i came home I have not been in the MA much. But now the DA is the same as the MA with none of the benefits I have spent a couple of 'tours' back here
My score is horrible. as is my SA. But I just need to know WHY anyone wouldo this. WHHHYY
$30 a month to kill yourself. Playing with yourself has taken on a new meaning.....
Or perhaps it hasn't
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Want to get rid of F3 then do so for every plane in the game.
Why?
Do you honestly think that a single rear gunner with limited visibility anwhere except the rear quarter of the plane and high 6 o'clock is the same as, say, a B-24 with a crew of 10 guys looking in all directions?
Why should the IL2 have F3?
Personally, I don't give a crap about score, and I use the IL2 just as much now as before F3 was removed because..... :drum roll:...... I never used F3 to spot GVs.
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I guess you could help but use two threads to call the guy out. You shouldnt have used any and PM'd Hitech instead. Being the top IL2 pilot now means about as much as a can of beans, and before it meant as much as a cup of coffee. Its use is down about %70 cause its such a POS now. My guess is, while you obviously have some skill, you are doing a lot of bomb****ing with few enemy fighters around and probably a lot of wingers watching your back.
Want to get rid of F3 then do so for every plane in the game. I was a Loner in the IL2 back when I was good in it and never used Ords or attacked VH bases out of respect. Now? I hope every lancJabo chucks 1,000lb's at every VH he see's.
You shouldnt have turned two threads into embarrassment threads Fester. Most of all this one.
I fly the il2 clean with only 37mm. its faster and lighter and I am able to deal with fighters in it in this configuration much easier since I fly alone. if I wanted to bomb I would up a 190f8 or p47. shooting cannons into turret roofs is more fun than bombing and the rockets and rails just add drag.
I can provide a demonstration for you of what the 37mm can do to even a tiger if you want.
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I fly the il2 clean with only 37mm. its faster and lighter and I am able to deal with fighters in it in this configuration much easier since I fly alone. if I wanted to bomb I would up a 190f8 or p47. shooting cannons into turret roofs is more fun than bombing and the rockets and rails just add drag.
I can provide a demonstration for you of what the 37mm can do to even a tiger if you want.
Single seat IL-2 enough said.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321945.0.html
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Boy I must have been the only one who ever used F3 :lol
Why?
Do you honestly think that a single rear gunner with limited visibility anwhere except the rear quarter of the plane and high 6 o'clock is the same as, say, a B-24 with a crew of 10 guys looking in all directions?
Why should the IL2 have F3?
Personally, I don't give a crap about score, and I use the IL2 just as much now as before F3 was removed because..... :drum roll:...... I never used F3 to spot GVs.
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Single seat IL-2 enough said.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321945.0.html
Single seat Il-2 wouldn't have the 37mm cannons.
Boy I must have been the only one who ever used F3 :lol
I hear Ghi used it....
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Single seat Il-2 wouldn't have the 37mm cannons.
Did not read all of my pages I posted did you?
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Took up the IL-2 for a few tests offline and a few sorties online.
NS-37 still cuts through tanks like a hot knife through butter. So no, HTC didn't change it without telling us, it's still the same.
And the Il-2 is still a superior tank buster when ords are down. I have to go back to my Hurri D quickly before getting spoiled :bolt:
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Boy I must have been the only one who ever used F3 :lol
Never said that, I just said that I never did.
'Cause F3 is gamey, arcade BS in a plane like the IL2....... ;)
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lusche you got me looking through the recent il2 stats... I saw a guy named DMZ with astronomical il2 k/d then I saw it was vs a pt boat and a jeep... 132 times... against the same guy... over multiple tours lmao!
thats a lot of dedication to playing with yourself in public... er an online arena.
How did this thread get deleted in GD and survive this one? Oh wait, it has been hijacked. Seems to be a rule violation there....
Those little bomblets would be really cool. Would be even cooler if they acted as UXO to both friendly and enemy.
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more like half asleep people talking late at night about ww2 airplanes.
as for il2 bomblets?
i like the il2 for the cannons and i rarely use bombs or rockets when flying it and I think the bomblets would be a novel gimic weapon that may or may not be very effective in game depending on how it is implimented.
why not up a lanc if you want to have lots of bomblets till somthing like this gets implimented?
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more like half asleep people talking late at night about ww2 airplanes.
as for il2 bomblets?
i like the il2 for the cannons and i rarely use bombs or rockets when flying it and I think the bomblets would be a novel gimic weapon that may or may not be very effective in game depending on how it is implimented.
why not up a lanc if you want to have lots of bomblets till somthing like this gets implimented?
This is my thinking as well Fester, the IL-2 bomblets would only be useful against campers clustered together, otherwise the normal will be some jerk upping lancasters to carpet bomb with 14x 1,000lbers.
Small bomblets means you have to hit the tank, 1,000lbers mean you come close and the tank goes boom.
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I think it is more along the lines of allowing for armaments that were historically used. We have 50 Kg bombs....