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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wildcat1 on May 21, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
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They had already reached the top, died on the way down
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/world/asia/everest-deaths/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/world/asia/everest-deaths/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29)
Sad news, prayers for the families :salute :pray
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Asian Trekkers, I have never heard of that outfit before. I hope they didn't cut corners financially with an increase of risk.
Adventure Consultants are the go-to Guides for Everest and most Alpine/Trekking in the Himalayas. Last I checked, they were $80,000 USD for a complete trip including Airfare w/ permits.
RIP :pray
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They had already reached the top, died on the way down
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/world/asia/everest-deaths/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/world/asia/everest-deaths/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29)
Sad news, prayers for the families :salute :pray
problem like these happen when things the mountain gets over booked. There were over 200 climbers waiting to make the final ascent to the summit and had to wait at the staging area until they were able to go. This caused people to use their extra supplemental air (usually saved for the descent) while waiting around to go up and also start to the summit much later in the day when conditions start to worsen.
These tour groups purchase the permits and then need to make the money back and a lot try and get as many to the top as they can.
ack-ack
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The Sherpa who was missing, show up at Base Camp, which is nothing short of a miracle. The Sherpa was separated from his group and did not have communications equipment.
Apparently there was a "traffic jam" of around 150 people between Camp IV and the Summit. It appears that the same ramshackle, no name Expedition Companies who "charge less, for getting to the Summit" are still at it and folks are naive enough to pony up cash.
Obviously, some haven't learned from events from May 10, 1996.
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I read that many die on the way down. That death zone area is a whole graveyard.
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I read that many die on the way down. That death zone area is a whole graveyard.
When you die on that mountain, you stay on that mountain. There is no way to recover bodies. Humans don't have the energy required, it is hard enough just getting yourself and your own support gear down, and helicopters can't land and take off at that altitude (I'm not sure they can even fly at that altitude).
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As of the end of 2010 there were 219 deaths attributed to climbing Mount Everest. I think it is cool that some people need to do that or want to do that but I have never had the desire to do something like that.
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It's morbid but they even have nicknames for the dead you pass on route, i.e. Green Boots.
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In 2010 Eurocopter made the first official helicopter landing at the summit of Everest. I suppose with a lot of $$$ thrown at it a rescue helicopter with a hoist could be made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HckQcNNoJc
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As of the end of 2010 there were 219 deaths attributed to climbing Mount Everest. I think it is cool that some people need to do that or want to do that but I have never had the desire to do something like that.
I think they are a bunch of fools. And I garuntee you at the very end their last thoughts were "WTF am I doing on this mountain when I could be sitting in a nice warm Pub".
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I think they are a bunch of fools. And I garuntee you at the very end their last thoughts were "WTF am I doing on this mountain when I could be sitting in a nice warm Pub".
You're wrong.
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You're wrong.
It's tragic, but once it's been done, respectfully what's the big deal? When the stuff happened in 1996 I recall reading an article that there were people on the mountain that were climbing Everest as their first ever mountain climb. If it's set up in such a way that people who've never done it before can do it, what is it other than a fairly expensive tourist destination?
Wiley.
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You're wrong.
LOL, so what do YOU think they were thinking?
The world already knows its "there" so they cant say that again.
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Obviously, some haven't learned from events from May 10, 1996.
Those guys got caught in a blizzard.
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Those guys got caught in a blizzard.
.......and the same "traffic jam" started it all.
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LOL, so what do YOU think they were thinking?
The world already knows its "there" so they cant say that again.
You don't climb, nor know any climbers. Look up Rob Hall and find out what his last words were and the lives he saved, while he spared his own in 1996. After you do that, imagine what his friend David Brashears said to himself when he found his friend while filming the IMAX film Everest.
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You don't climb, nor know any climbers. Look up Rob Hall and find out what his last words were and the lives he saved, while he spared his own in 1996. After you do that, imagine what his friend David Brashears said to himself when he found his friend while filming the IMAX film Everest.
Masherbrum it sounds to me like you expect me to go find what two people, who lived, said about people who died. Ive watched a lot of people dieing after doing stupid stuff and none of them said the stupid stuff they were doing was worth it. Mostly they said, "boy that was stupid".
But for conversation sake what do you think they say on the verge of freezing to death? Or as they are plummeting 20,000' to the rocks below? "Boy the view sure was worth it"?
It's morbid but they even have nicknames for the dead you pass on route, i.e. Green Boots.
They should maybe shorten it to "nitwit#1", "nitwit#2", and on and on to 219. Im sorry but these werent people dieing while trying to save people caught in a fire. They were nitwits killed trying to climb a mountain they had no business being on. And I dont care if its an Imax film. I'd bet $80,000 USD could feed a lot more starving children, currently eating in garbage dumps, that to use it to feed one huge ego buy doing something dumb...well....makes it looker dumber still. Especially if you get kilt.
Yaknow why I'd rather sit in a pub? "Because its there" Thats why.
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I don't know a thing about this topic.
Keep at it.
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too many people go up on that hill thinking its a guided tour. . .and die.
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But for conversation sake what do you think they say on the verge of freezing to death?
Actually, it's been said that freezing to death is quite a peaceful experience.
As your body shuts down, you fall asleep and then blackness.
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As of the end of 2010 there were 219 deaths attributed to climbing Mount Everest. I think it is cool that some people need to do that or want to do that but I have never had the desire to do something like that.
Theres been more than 135 deaths on Mount Washington here in New Hampshire since 1849. And its 1/6 the altitude. Probably most were hypothermia. Many dress for summer at the base and try going up dressed that way.
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I don't get what the big deal is, plenty of people have died climbing it, its the hazard thats well known and i'm sure your well aware of when doing something like that.
Actually, it's been said that freezing to death is quite a peaceful experience.
As your body shuts down, you fall asleep and then blackness.
1,000 ways to die lied to me, they said your body before it dies goes into shock and you feel like your burning up, or was it just another excuse to get someone partially nude :uhoh That show is such bs
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"Four die on Mount Everest."
Again?
<shrug>
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Actually, it's been said that freezing to death is quite a peaceful experience.
As your body shuts down, you fall asleep and then blackness.
Im sure its quite wonderful. God knows being very cold is a regular delight, falling into 36% water is quite blissful too. Yaknow I always wondered how stories describing certain ways to die ever get out cause..well...how can you tell a story if your dead?
Suddenly, you are blind, the wind freeze the blood in your veins, you can’t think and you can’t find your way anywhere! Instantly, you feel a deadly fear whilst your mind keeps falling into a helpless dizziness. You cant feel your fingers, you can’t feel your toes - there is ice on the white, dying tissue of your face and the roaring wind drowns your fellow climbers' desperate yells for each other. It’s too late for everything.
http://www.mounteverest.net/expguide/survivalrules.htm
While I dont celebrate any death I just dont consider these things to be a "tragedy". People dieing in a tornado is a "tragedy". Those dieing messing with a mountain, almost 4,000 others have already climbed, all for fame or ego, is more like Darwin at work. A "traffic jam of 150 climbers"? Good grief! Either way they are people with families and it all seems a waste. A waste of money ; A waste of life.
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Waste or not, it's theirs to spend. Both money and life. I know a guy who has summited Everest and was on the expedition that found the body of George Mallory the planning of which is what spurred my initial interest in the subject some years ago.
His attitude as a professional climber is at times different than the client climber but there's still that same special love and drive for what they're doing. While its not my cup of tea it's something I've come to respect in those that do it. For you to sit and deem their lives a waste from the comfort of your chair is your right but it doesn't mean you know anything about what you're talking about.
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Waste or not, it's theirs to spend. Both money and life. I know a guy who has summited Everest and was on the expedition that found the body of George Mallory the planning of which is what spurred my initial interest in the subject some years ago.
His attitude as a professional climber is at times different than the client climber but there's still that same special love and drive for what they're doing. While its not my cup of tea it's something I've come to respect in those that do it. For you to sit and deem their lives a waste from the comfort of your chair is your right but it doesn't mean you know anything about what you're talking about.
Try reading what I said again. I said the loss of life is the "waste". And where does one go to "learn" about turning yourself into a popscicle on a mountain 4,000 other have already climbed? Theres nothing noble about such a death.
I havnt spent my life in a chair and may know far more then you think.
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it all seems a waste. A waste of money ; A waste of life.
Ok.
Why do anything then? Let's just everyone sit back in contentment and bask in the fact that we great humans have already done XYZ so no point in doing it again.
I don't consider sex a waste despite the fact it's been done before. Is that a waste of effort to you too?
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Ok.
Why do anything then? Let's just everyone sit back in contentment and bask in the fact that we great humans have already done XYZ so no point in doing it again.
I don't consider sex a waste despite the fact it's been done before. Is that a waste of effort to you too?
I used to go to the deep end of the pool sometimes. I did it because it was exciting. :D
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Geeezz... Easy Rich...
They do it because it's their passion and they do it for the experience...
Like big game hunting ( or pick any hobby really ).. I could easily say who would spend the money and time
and effort to do something like that ? All that money thrown at equipment, ammo
flights, hotels, meals along with fighting the elements, insects customs, locals, etc, etc.
Heck, every species has been bagged and tagged and I can see/buy HD pictures of all as well
as probably buy any hide or mount I could want while "sitting in my chair".
But you do it happily and good for you ! It's your passion, life is short go for it...!
I would never do it and have no desire to hunt at all even "locally" ( even though I grew up hunting )
But that's just because it's not something I enjoy so I spend probably equal time and resources
doing things I do enjoy. It's all good.
If something were ever to happen in a bad way to you on an excursion, I would hope
most would think that it would be a terrible thing but at least you died doing what you loved..
Kind of like these folks who lost their lives... I'm not sure I would call it a noble death but you
at least gotta respect the fact that they followed their dream. How many of us don't even have
the guts to do that sometimes ?
And Golfer... as a side note... After 21+ years of marriage I probably have better odds of
making it up and off Everest than I do of having sex..... *sigh*
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Ha!
:salute
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Rich, I think you make some great points, but BigB hit the nail on the head.
Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.
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Joe Rogan on climbing Everest. http://comedians.jokes.com/joe-rogan/videos/joe-rogan---ants-on-the-mountain :lol
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Rich, I think you make some great points, but BigB hit the nail on the head.
Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.
Agreed I would rather die doing something, be it having fun or doing something worthwhile then turn into a vegetable and watch TV all day.
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I don't consider sex a waste despite the fact it's been done before. Is that a waste of effort to you too?
Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.
Personally, my biggest fear is sitting idle, never doing anything in my life that's worthwhile or noteable. I think about the thousands of dollars I have dumped into aviaton for example (and I only have my PPL!), with no return on my "investment" other than making myself more proficient at my hobby. Some things you just can't put a price on.
The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.
Ive hunted in dangerous game territory. Be it snake, croc, Hippo, cat, Bear, Elephant, Rhino, whatever. If I see one I leave it the frack alone and enjoy it from a distance. The car chases, fights, and shootouts, were from a life I chose and did to protect my fellow citizens. The truly scarey ones were the fires I had to go in to get people out. One was a 6yo girl I couldnt get to and almost couldnt get out myself. The fires I had no control over and scared the bejeezuz out of me but I went in anyway. I didnt do it cause I "wanted to" thats for sure. I once had to watch a father execute his two grownup sons cause we couldnt get close enough to get a shot at him. Once locked up a guy on X-mas eve 1992 for beating his little daughter to death. You see I have found life to be precious and not to be thrown away flippantly.
I really couldnt imagine doing any of that again if I didnt "have to". Tho I suppose at least I got paid for it instead of paying for the thrill . Its always a thrill until something goes wrong and then when your looking thru that looking glass its stops being a thrill anymore.
How many of those climbers do you think are truly ready for such a test? That mountain has killed the best ever and its not even the worst. Some of these mountains have a death rate as high as 38%. That means you have a 38% chance of dieing a terrible death just by trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander No doubt Everest's would be much higher if there wasnt a human line of exploited thrill seekers in front and in back of you.
Would you go up in that plane if there was a 22% to 38% chance of it crashing? Now thats a usefull analogy.
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I nominate Rich52 for the position of "Most Interesting Man In The World".
His lectures regarding life and death should be passed along for generations to come.
The rest of you ignorant fools know nothing of the intricacies and ironies that this life has in store for you.
:rolleyes:
Quit being so dramatic.
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Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.
The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.
Ive hunted in dangerous game territory. Be it snake, croc, Hippo, cat, Bear, Elephant, Rhino, whatever. If I see one I leave it the frack alone and enjoy it from a distance. The car chases, fights, and shootouts, were from a life I chose and did to protect my fellow citizens. The truly scarey ones were the fires I had to go in to get people out. One was a 6yo girl I couldnt get to and almost couldnt get out myself. The fires I had no control over and scared the bejeezuz out of me but I went in anyway. I didnt do it cause I "wanted to" thats for sure. I once had to watch a father execute his two grownup sons cause we couldnt get close enough to get a shot at him. Once locked up a guy on X-mas eve 1992 for beating his little daughter to death. You see I have found life to be precious and not to be thrown away flippantly.
I really couldnt imagine doing any of that again if I didnt "have to". Tho I suppose at least I got paid for it instead of paying for the thrill . Its always a thrill until something goes wrong and then when your looking thru that looking glass its stops being a thrill anymore.
How many of those climbers do you think are truly ready for such a test? That mountain has killed the best ever and its not even the worst. Some of these mountains have a death rate as high as 38%. That means you have a 38% chance of dieing a terrible death just by trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander No doubt Everest's would be much higher if there wasnt a human line of exploited thrill seekers in front and in back of you.
Would you go up in that plane if there was a 22% to 38% chance of it crashing? Now thats a usefull analogy.
I wonder if these people know they have a roughly 1 in 3 chance of dieing on the mountain. I have a hard time believing they know. I know a man that lost his finger tips and his toes climbing mt everest i am going to ask him if he knew the danger....
and the sex analogy lacks the 1 in 3 of dieing ...
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My initial response to the OP was, "Meh, I can't really muster any sympathy for the climbers. After all, they damn well better have known what the undertaking included."
That's pretty much how I still feel.
People do wacky crap all the time and sometimes they don't get away with it. These folks walked up that mountain of their own free will.
That's what it's all about in the end... free will.
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Gee Mel, nice to finally meet you. :huh
I nominate Rich52 for the position of "Most Interesting Man In The World".
His lectures regarding life and death should be passed along for generations to come.
The rest of you ignorant fools know nothing of the intricacies and ironies that this life has in store for you.
:rolleyes:
Quit being so dramatic.
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If people had Richie's attitude we wouldn't have put a man on the moon, let alone space. The Wright Brothers would have never built their plane and Christopher Columbus wouldn't have sailed off to find the New World.
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If people had Richie's attitude we wouldn't have put a man on the moon, let alone space. The Wright Brothers would have never built their plane and Christopher Columbus wouldn't have sailed off to find the New World.
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Hit the nail on the head. Life is about risks, the risks I would take are different from nearly everyone elses here . How we calculate risks is different some look at danger statistics others look at reward. Also how we measure reward is different from person.
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Theres a useful analogy. Thanks for chirping in.
The difference being you are doing something you have control over and is not unduly hazardous, as in "suicidal". I really dont see how you can compare that with spending 80g, 10g of which is greasing some Chinese Politicians hand, to climb some mountain where the odds are good your either going to end up as a popscicle forever, or, at the least with a lot fewer toes or fingers.
merely trying to suggest we all get our "kicks" from different sources.