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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: vTM on May 25, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
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On May 27, 1941, the British navy sinks the German battleship Bismarck in the North Atlantic near France. The German death toll was more than 2,000.
On February 14, 1939, the 823-foot Bismarck was launched at Hamburg. Nazi leader Adolf Hitler hoped that the state-of-the-art battleship would herald the rebirth of the German surface battle fleet. However, after the outbreak of war, Britain closely guarded ocean routes from Germany to the Atlantic Ocean, and only U-boats moved freely through the war zone.
In May 1941, the order was given for the Bismarck to break out into the Atlantic. Once in the safety of the open ocean, the battleship would be almost impossible to track down, all the while wreaking havoc on Allied convoys to Britain. Learning of its movement, Britain sent almost the entire British Home Fleet in pursuit. On May 24, the British battle cruiser Hood and battleship Prince of Wales intercepted it near Iceland. In a ferocious battle, the Hood exploded and sank, and all but three of the 1,421 crewmen were killed. The Bismarck escaped, but because it was leaking fuel it fled for occupied France. On May 26, it was sighted and crippled by British aircraft, and on May 27 three British warships descended on the Bismarck and finished it off.
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yes i know i have the movie--on vhs and dvd
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Cool :aok
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The steel used in The Bismark could have made 100 U-Boats :old:
The German U-Boat were under strength to fulfill the task off cutting the Atlantic crossing and these extra U-Boats may have turned the tide to the advantage of the Narzzies.
The early successes of the U-Boats was more down to the Allies inefficiencies in dealing with the U-Boat problem.
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For all Britan's naval prowess wasn't it like a single hit that took down the HMS Hood? Wow. Talk about a nice shot.
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No armoured deck British incompetent :old:
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a torp from a biplane clipped the rudder and sent it turning in circles i think
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The steel used in The Bismark could have made 100 U-Boats :old:
The German U-Boat were under strength to fulfill the task off cutting the Atlantic crossing and these extra U-Boats may have turned the tide to the advantage of the Narzzies.
The Fascists would have lost, regardless. Their fate was sealed with Operation Barbarossa.
On the topic of the Bismark's destruction, way to go Royal Navy.
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A swordfish would be good in game :)
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Swordfish would be slightly less usefull than the TBM and B5N. In other words not at all.
And on topic of the Hood's destruction, way to go Kriegsmarine :devil.
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Bit like the Stuka bit poo but fun anyway :)
Ultra intercepts and the silliness's of the narzzies to believe that the Enigma machines could not be broken help quite a bit as well :rofl :rofl
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They couldn't be broken without an intact example of the relevent version of an enigma machine and code books, or an INSANE ammount of luck when playing around with the dials.
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And on topic of the Hood's destruction, way to go Kriegsmarine :devil.
You do realize the difference between what the Royal Navy was fighting for and what the Kriegsmarine was fighting for, right? The only thing the crew of the Bismark would have deserved a "way to go" for is if they'd sailed it straight to Skapa Flow and surrendered it.
They couldn't be broken without an intact example of the relevent version of an enigma machine and code books, or an INSANE ammount of luck when playing around with the dials.
The Kriegsmarine's codes, yes. The Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe's were, as I recall, broken without access to physical examples due to poor encryption practices.
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The Kriegsmarine's codes, yes. The Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe's were, as I recall, broken without access to physical examples due to poor encryption practices.
Beat me to it. See below. If I recall, the Gestapo was the most disciplined and the Luftwaffe was the most lax.
See below before "Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post."
They couldn't be broken without an intact example of the relevent version of an enigma machine and code books, or an INSANE ammount of luck when playing around with the dials.
On the topic of Enigma, it was the less-than-uber men encoding things like "heil hitler" that the Bletchley Park picked up as repeated patterns.
On the developing modern computers, way to go, British Intelligence.
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I recall British operations where they'd use German maps and fly out and mine some chunk of sea just to have known coordinates that the Germans would then send an encrypted message saying sector 45/82 had been mined. That would give Bletchley Park the key to decode things for that day.
In the Mediterranean the RAF would arrange for a recon flight to "discover" Axis convoys they knew about due to the decryption before sending a strike force to sink it. Rommel was sure there was a spy in the Italian command structure.
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Makes me want to play Silent Hunter....too bad I only have Silent Hunter 5.... yuck...
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Once again Tank-Ace is defending the 3rd reich and what it stood for. :rolleyes:
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No, just saying that Bismark took out the Hood, which seemed to have been the pride of England's fleet within the first few salvos, but Bismark, the pride of Germany's fleet, lasted a lot lot longer.
If you're gonna say 'yay! Bismark sunk and took most of her crew with her', then the other needs to be mentioned as well.
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No, just saying that Bismark took out the Hood, which seemed to have been the pride of England's fleet within the first few salvos, but Bismark, the pride of Germany's fleet, lasted a lot lot longer.
If you're gonna say 'yay! Bismark sunk and took most of her crew with her', then the other needs to be mentioned as well.
lol, hood was built in 1920 somthing, As a battle cruiser. never was designed to take on a battleship like bismark with 17inch guns.
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Hood served England longer than bismark served Germany :aok
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:)
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If you're gonna say 'yay! Bismark sunk and took most of her crew with her', then the other needs to be mentioned as well.
This is a internal conflict for me. I acknowledge the bravery and sacrifice of men who fought for abhorrent regimes, such as Nazis or Confederates, but I applaud their defeat.
So, I say 'yay' that an instrument intended to impose the will of a truly evil regime was destroyed.
The pure waste of human life, with all of the lost potential, caused in war is a whole other tragic topic.
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way to go Kriegsmarine :devil.
Before we forget, the pride of the Kriegsmarine tried to sneak away (Bismark) then ran or hid (Graf Spee). Surely Hitler would have been derided by the members of this BBs for such cowardly tactics. Yes, WTG indeed.
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Shell hit cut off the forward fuel reserves limiting top speed, hit jammed the rudder, and heavily out numbered facing air attack with no air support of your own? You'd be insane not to try and reach friendly port to try and fix your ship up before going back in to the fray.
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Funny (sad) how geeks can sit in the comfortable glow of their monitors and disrespect the warriors of past conflicts, while the people who where there and actually fought them showed great respect and even deference to those oh so evil of foes.
"Gentlemen, the battle against the Scharnhorst has ended in victory for us. I hope that any of you who are ever called upon to lead a ship into action against an opponent many times superior, will command your ship as gallantly as the Scharnhorst was commanded today."
- Admiral Bruce Fraser after the Battle of the North Cape in December 1943.
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lol, hood was built in 1920 somthing, As a battle cruiser. never was designed to take on a battleship like bismark with 17inch guns.
You are correct that Hood was WWI design and was launched several months before the war ended. She was old, very tired and in need a major overhaul when she faced off with the Bismarck and Prinz Eugen.
By the way, the Bismarck was fitted with excellent 15" guns. Bismarck was very much over-rated in her day, and even today as well. Bismarck was designed based upon what was learned in WWI. She had good under-water protection, but her armor was only average at best. She was generally inferior to the French Richelieu class, and truly out-classed in ship to ship combat by the American North Carolina and South Dakota classes of similar vintage.
I recommend this website for a well considered comparison of WWII battleships. http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm)
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Is it true the King George V got damaged soon after it was launched?
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Makes me want to play Silent Hunter....too bad I only have Silent Hunter 5.... yuck...
I have SH III you can have it. I tried playing. I don't have the patience to
spend 2 hrs trying to find something to shoot,lol.
If you want it, pm me address.
:cheers: Oz
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Done :) :salute
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My intention in this was just to show a day in WW2 History. I meant no dishonor to the men of HMS Hood. She was a fine ship in her day. And served with distinction. This day We should remember all who have lost there lives in war. I myself feel it in every step i take. I served beside good men who gave there lives to help us all be where we are. So that
being said i salute :salute HMS HOOD. May here crew R.I.P
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Done :) :salute
Be sure to get the grey wolves mega mod at subsim.
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No, just saying that Bismark took out the Hood, which seemed to have been the pride of England's fleet within the first few salvos, but Bismark, the pride of Germany's fleet, lasted a lot lot longer.
If you're gonna say 'yay! Bismark sunk and took most of her crew with her', then the other needs to be mentioned as well.
Yes but here the thing.....
The Hood was destroyed by a superior ship.
The Bismark was owned by Bi-planes :D
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Yes but here the thing.....
The Hood was destroyed by a superior ship.
The Bismark was owned by Bi-planes :D
Bismark might of been the pride of the Sea, its anti-aircraft batteries were unable to aim low enough to shoot at a simple bi-plane. FAIL
Reminds me of the book Shattered sword, I always wondered why the Japanese couldn't shoot down any dive bombers at Midway, their anti aircraft batteries were unable to elevate 90 degrees, truth be known they couldn't stop the dive bombers period.