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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tracerfi on May 25, 2012, 05:26:14 PM
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http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/Japanese.htm I thought this would help AH in the CV Issue I whant feedback on my idea
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What is this "CV issue", and how would a suicide bomb help AH in it?
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again the mothership plane with the bomb plane?
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Hey its a good idea I think It would sink ships or severely damage them
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What is this "CV issue"
+1
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would the baka bomb be piloted by the bomber pilot, what would happend with bomber itself or by another pilot or be auto controled. what about the formations would u get 3 of these bombs or would it just be one
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would the baka bomb be piloted by the bomber pilot, what would happend with bomber itself or by another pilot or be auto controled. what about the formations would u get 3 of these bombs or would it just be one
DONT KNOW IN WWII IT WAS ALMOST UNSTOPPABLE I THING IT WOULD HELP
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DONT KNOW IN WWII IT WAS ALMOST UNSTOPPABLE I THING IT WOULD HELP
Because that completely answered his question... :rolleyes:
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http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/Japanese.htm I thought this would help AH in the CV Issue I whant feedback on my idea
You don't want feed back from me!
well ok one small piece, yes lets add it, but only if when you fly it to target you cancel your subscription and Skuzzy gets to remove you from the boards ! :rock
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DONT KNOW IN WWII IT WAS ALMOST UNSTOPPABLE I THING IT WOULD HELP
How many ships did this almost unstoppable super weapon sink anyway?
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BAKA means fool in English...I don't want this baka weapon...
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How many ships did this almost unstoppable super weapon sink anyway?
One destroyer.
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BAKA means fool in English...I don't want this baka weapon...
<S> Mitsu
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BAKA means fool in English...I don't want this baka weapon...
Is it sad that I know this from watching an ungodly amount of anime while I work out?
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BAKA means fool in English...I don't want this baka weapon...
BAKA mean idiot in Japanese i think..
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How many where used in the war? I can think of one battle where it was used.
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the same meaning.
u can say it as stupid.
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This wish would also require the addition of a new plane to be the "mothership" since the Betty we haven't wasn't the model that was used for that role.
ack-ack
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I hardly think we need another way of killing a CV, it is too easy as it is.
The Ohka wouldn't be all that effective anyway. It only had a 2600lb warhead so you would need 3 or maybe 4 of them to sink a CV. The G4M2 carrier aircraft version of the Betty had more power than our G4M1 but even that struggled to carry the weight of the Ohka.
In AH a formation of three G4M2 Betties carrying Ohkas would probably take longer to get to alt and reach a CV than any other level bomber and would be way more vulnerable to fighters while on the way. While the player is guiding each Ohka to its target the formation would be completely defenceless. The Ohkas themselves would not be invulnerable to prox fused AA fire either. All in all you would do better with a formation of any of AH's four engined bombers.
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I know but I think it would be cool, I did not think This Post would be this controversial
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I think it would be cool
Thats why its controversial, being cool isnt a legitimate reason to add it when countless other wishes with potential are waiting in line.
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Sorry Guys I am 15 and mentally disabled I hate when I come under fire By people who dont agree with my ideas and the Ohka Played I big part for the Japs
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Sorry Guys I am 15 and mentally disabled I hate when I come under fire By people who dont agree with my ideas and the Ohka Played I big part for the Japs
It did not play any significant role for the Japanese. They had a single successful attack on a picket ship and obtained a hit on another, but the Ohka went in one side and out the other without exploding.
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As much as I am a fan of the Japanese aircraft from WW2, I would not want to see the inclusion of ANY suicide weapons. Desprate measures, taken by a desperate country, during desperate times. No need IMO to include them into our flying game.
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Ohka (blossom) is a suicide weapon, and there are a few German versions as well. I personally think suicide weapons should not be included since it will be used in a way that is disrespectful of the people who flew them and because it does not add anything to the game other then that CVs will become useless.
I have not heard one good reason what this human guided rocket would bring to the game.
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BAKA means fool in English...I don't want this baka weapon...
Baka was american code name for it because they did not know the power of it
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Baka was american code name for it because they did not know the power of it
nor the FOOL flying it
suicide weapons will never be in AH
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Baka was american code name for it because they did not know the power of it
In case it hasn't dawned on you, it wasn't a very effective weapon.
ack-ack
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Dozen tries and only thing it sank was a picket destroyer i think.
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Dozen tries and only thing it sank was a picket destroyer i think.
How many even got close enough to launch? As I recall the single biggest failure point was the G4M2 mothership, which was extremely vulnerable and easy to intercept.
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nor the FOOL flying it
suicide weapons will never be in AH
I know that now I did not know that earlier please stop posting on this you have already shot this idea down now its just overkill
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How many even got close enough to launch? As I recall the single biggest failure point was the G4M2 mothership, which was extremely vulnerable and easy to intercept.
They could be launched from 50 miles out, once the rocket motor fires it cannot be intercepted, problem was there wasn't hundreds of G4m2s or Baka's, only a handful available.
Given how many ships were damaged/sunk its a huge gamble and a big failure, one that will not be added into Aces high thankfully.
Want to BAKA a carrier? take lancs to 10k then dive bomb it as most idiots usually do.
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I was under the impression that of all the G4M2+Ohka sorties launched only three or so actually survived to launch the Ohka.
I also thought it had a 20 mile range.
As to it being added to AH, of course not.
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I know that now I did not know that earlier please stop posting on this you have already shot this idea down now its just overkill
but this was only one of two posts in this thread by me? and it came as a response to your post backing your argument up. its not overkill if im answering your addressed case for the argument? <S>
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but this was only one of two posts in this thread by me? and it came as a response to your post backing your argument up. its not overkill if im answering your addressed case for the argument? <S>
SORRY FOR THAT
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I was under the impression that of all the G4M2+Ohka sorties launched only three or so actually survived to launch the Ohka.
I also thought it had a 20 mile range.
As to it being added to AH, of course not.
I can't specifically remember, I do know it was one of the many failed kamikaze weapons like the Human torpedo, and suicide boats.
Here's (ugh) wikipedia's information:
On 21 March 1945, 16 Ohka-carrying "Betty" bombers were to be escorted by 55 Zeros to attack Task Group 58.1 (Hornet, Bennington, Wasp, and Belleau Wood). Another two "Bettys" were to escort and provide navigation and observation. Due to technical problems, 25 Zeros had to turn back or could not take off. The Ohka attack force was intercepted by 16 US Navy Grumman F6F Hellcat fighters and the Ohkas were immediately jettisoned by the "Bettys," some 113 km (70 mi) from the target. None of the "Bettys" returned, no ships were attacked and 16 of the Jinrai Butai were killed, with only 15 damaged Zeros making it back to their base.
Attacks intensified in April 1945. On 1 April 1945, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. At least one made a successful attack, with its Ohka thought to hit one of the 406 mm (16 in) turrets on the battleship West Virginia, causing moderate damage. Postwar analysis indicated that no hits were recorded and that a near-miss took place.[14] The transports Alpine, Achernar, and Tyrrell were also hit by kamikaze aircraft, but it is unclear whether any of these were Ohkas from the other "Bettys". None of the "Bettys" returned.
The American military quickly realized the danger and concentrated on extending their "defensive rings" outward to intercept the "Betty"/Ohka combination aircraft before the suicide mission could be launched.[14] On 12 April 1945, nine "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. The destroyer Mannert L. Abele was hit, broke in two, and sank, witnessed by LSMR-189 CO James M. Stewart. Jeffers destroyed an Ohka with AA fire 45 m (50 yd) from the ship, but the resulting explosion was still powerful enough to cause extensive damage, forcing Jeffers to withdraw. The destroyer Stanly was attacked by two Ohkas. One struck just above the waterline just behind the ship's bow, with the charge punching completely through the other side of the hull before splashing into the sea and detonating like a depth charge, causing little damage to the ship, and the other Ohka narrowly missed (likely due to the pilot being killed by anti-aircraft fire) and crashed into the sea, knocking off the Stanly's ensign in the process. One Betty returned. On 14 April 1945, seven "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. None returned. None of the Ohkas appeared to have been launched. Two days later, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. Two returned, but no Ohkas hit their targets. Later, on 28 April 1945, four "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa at night. One returned. No hits were recorded.[14]
May 1945 saw another series of attacks. On 4 May 1945, seven "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. One Ohka hit the bridge of a minesweeper, Shea, causing extensive damage and casualties. Gayety was also damaged by a near-miss by an Ohka. One "Betty" returned. On 11 May 1945, four "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. The destroyer Hugh W. Hadley was hit and suffered extensive damage and flooding. The vessel was judged beyond repair. On 25 May 1945, 11 "Bettys" attacked the US Fleet off Okinawa. Bad weather forced most of the aircraft to turn back, and none of the others scored hits.
On 22 June 1945, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. Two returned, but no hits were scored. Postwar analysis concluded that the Ohka's impact was negligible with no US Navy capital ships actually hit during their attacks due to an extremely effective set of defensive tactics that were employed.
This being said, adding it in game would be a serious problem - as we do NOT have heavy defensive tactics for carriers instead people would just up 1 base over with an Ohka and launch at the radar ring.
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They could be launched from 50 miles out, once the rocket motor fires it cannot be intercepted, problem was there wasn't hundreds of G4m2s or Baka's, only a handful available.
Given how many ships were damaged/sunk its a huge gamble and a big failure, one that will not be added into Aces high thankfully.
Want to BAKA a carrier? take lancs to 10k then dive bomb it as most idiots usually do.
Hmmm, a rocket plane that can outrun a VT fuse would be impressive indeed. For that matter one that could outrun 20 and 40mm or
even .50s would also be impressive. The only Ohka I ever saw was at the Garber facility in Silverhill, MD before they moved most of that
facility to the new NASM annex. It didn't even have a rocket motor, but a jet with a piston engine driven compressor. Apparently the pilot
aimed with a ring and post sight mounted to the nose. I guess the US's secret weapon would be a guy with a pair of pliers bending the post :D
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No. This isn't Missile Command.
Kamikaze's and Suicide rockets were last ditch efforts (largely) and were the result of a critical and crippling shortage of skilled pilots (veterans and Aces). It just doesn't make any sense to add them other than being an easy and very cheap way to kill things to earn points, and would ultimately kill game play. I would even say No to the V-1 and V-2 emphatically for the same reasons.
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I think alot of folks would be surprised at just how difficult it would be to hit an AH target with a V weapon.
Of course alot of folks here know exactly how futile that would be :devil
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How many ships did this almost unstoppable super weapon sink anyway?
As Karnak said, One destroyer and severely damaged another. It was a Allen M. Sumner class DD, Named Laffy.
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As for my opinion on the wish, I don't believe the Ohka should be added. It's kinda pointless even if you do perk it. I can already see people ramming tanks and vh's. Such a small quantity of them was built anyways.
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As Karnak said, One destroyer and severely damaged another. It was a Allen M. Sumner class DD, Named Laffy.
Out of 7 ships hit, 3 were damaged enough that the ships either sunk or were considered beyond repair. There is another ship, USS Twiggs, that crew members claimed to have been hit simultaneously by an Ohka and a kamikazi plane but official reports state that USS Twiggs was hit by a torpdedo and a kamikazi attack.
ack-ack
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I've always found this video quite thought provoking and moving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEWTM9VYKfs
You can roughly approximate the attack profile with a Ki-61 if you time the dive correctly. Quite difficult to do in fact.
The turbojet version would have increased launch distance and might have been a real nuisance. I hope to go and see an Ohka this summer. I want to inspect the canopy arrangement for myself. Will share the photographs.