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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Seanaldinho on June 01, 2012, 05:25:41 PM
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My first car,
A 1972 red super beetle. Putting in a brand new motor and tranny over the next few weekends. My dad built it himself and Im not 100% sure of the specs but itll put out around 85-90 horses :devil :joystick:. Ive already put 6 speakers in and a new stereo as well.
Will post pictures once completed. :)
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That's alot of Hp for that motor,although I've seen some pushing 150 but they cheated and used a turbo.
I think it had 45 hp and the real high output motors pushed 64hp!
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That's alot of Hp for that motor,although I've seen some pushing 150 but they cheated and used a turbo.
I think it had 45 hp and the real high output motors pushed 64hp!
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Yeah it is but my dad drives fast so he made sure that when he drives it he can still drive the same speed. :lol
(It also means drifting, being that its rear wheel drive and all.) :devil
Its a 1776 with a few power adders that hopefully still get me around 25-28 mpg.
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Yeah it is but my dad drives fast so he made sure that when he drives it he can still drive the same speed. :lol
(It also means drifting, being that its rear wheel drive and all.) :devil
Its a 1776 with a few power adders that hopefully still get me around 25-28 mpg.
You wont like drifting much in a bug! maybe in a snow covered parking lot but with the engine in the back you have to be careful! I grew up with bugs,had several nice field cars that were bugs,wasn't old enough to drive on the street so we drove in the fields!
Show us some pix when you can!
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Drifting in a Bug. :x I see an accident in the future, be sure.
Hope a roll bar was put in.
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Drifting in a Bug. :x I see an accident in the future, be sure.
Hope a roll bar was put in.
Hahaha ya they roll alright just like a turtle! Easy enough to upright though,just need a little help from a friend! :devil
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I had a 66 beetle as my first car and a 73 super beetle later on. The super beetle came with the 1600cc engine. A honda goldwing has an 1800cc engine...
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Here is my Super. This one only had a 1600 in it. The one I had before it I blew the engine so I got a 1776 with a sweet little cam in it. It had bullet mufflers that tucked back under the bumper. I use to turn the idle down until you could almost count the cylinders firering. Sounded like a Harley :devil
Anyway, this one wasn't as much fun (drifting works well in them as long as the road is pretty strait. If its chewed up you can roll them pretty easy). It was heavier with less power. It did look great as well as have one kickin' stereo. 9 speakers run off of 2 200 watt amps and a small 65 watt amp out of a 60 watt CD player. It had an airhorn that played 36 different tunes, a sun roof, custom taillights, custom paint, and a hand painted "drunkin' clam" (I live in New England and we drink a lot when eating our steamers :devil ) and the best part is I did it all myself. More than half the fun of owning cars like this is building them and making them your own.
Good luck, and have fun !
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/JoesVW003.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/JoesVW002.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/JoesVW001.jpg)
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I plan on only drifting either 1. In an empty parking lot on Sunday Mornings. 2. With a girl at an empty parking lot at the beach. :devil
The red is a very deep red with some gold fleck and its got after market rims, putting a surf rack on it once its done. Need a shifter ball thing... hmm I will probably pick one up at Bug Jam in November. As well as anything else that suits my fancy and absolutely needs to be on the car. ;)
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Two words that freak me out from the mouth of a new driver :
- 6 speaker stereo
- drifting
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On the 5 cars I have none have stereo, the engine is the music :angel: ... Anyway Jeff Gordon, enjoy the car but remember ' respect the car and the car will respect you'. Send in the pics!
Fugitive is that a Monza exhaust from Pacesetter?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke4t8YO0dqw
Seems pretty controllable...
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Fast too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n7mTGDWxrU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n7mTGDWxrU&feature=related)
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You wont like drifting much in a bug! maybe in a snow covered parking lot but with the engine in the back you have to be careful!
Back engined cars will not drift even on snow. When you try to make it slide, pressing gas will only cause understeer because throttling up will make the nose even lighter. Maybe with summer tires it may slide who knows - but it will slide about as well as a hammer on ice - the back heaviness will make it pretty much impossible to control.
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You must use the e-brake to get the back to kick out. Once it starts sliding though, since it's so back heavy, the car will just want to swap ends.
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Im not shooting to win any drifting championships. If my drifting just turns out to be really fun over glorified sliding around Im ok with that. :cool:
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Back engined cars will not drift even on snow. When you try to make it slide, pressing gas will only cause understeer because throttling up will make the nose even lighter. Maybe with summer tires it may slide who knows - but it will slide about as well as a hammer on ice - the back heaviness will make it pretty much impossible to control.
LOL!!! ya right! If video cameras didn't weight 75 lbs and cost hundreds of dollars back then I show you some great footage of me and my bugs sliding all around parking lots in the dead of winter!
You must use the e-brake to get the back to kick out. Once it starts sliding though, since it's so back heavy, the car will just want to swap ends.
No, all you need is a bit of G and and bit of horse power. Back then all the "hot rods" use to lay down nice long lines of rubber. I couldn't compete with that, but I could drift a nice line and as I was pretty much sideways while I did it I didn't have to have as long a line, because of the "cool" factor. :D
Not that I'm suggesting going out a mess around like this. Being a young stupid kid, this is how we had fun in our little town.
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I thought all Finns knew about the "Scandinavian flick"...
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I thought all Finns knew about the "Scandinavian flick"...
This is something TopGear has inspired me to perfect. :aok
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Back engined cars will not drift even on snow. When you try to make it slide, pressing gas will only cause understeer because throttling up will make the nose even lighter. Maybe with summer tires it may slide who knows - but it will slide about as well as a hammer on ice - the back heaviness will make it pretty much impossible to control.
Well growing up in Canada and having driven a few bugs,a fiat X19 and the odd corvair I can tell you it's possible to do donuts,thats what we called it not drifting,in the winter with a rear engine car. the problems happen when you get off the power and it decides to swap ends on you.
The bugs being somewhat taller than a corvair or the fiat will roll alot easier if the rear tire grabs ahold of anyhing. Rolled an envoy epic in a field once and I ended back on the wheels....Good thing it had no glass and the doors were welded shut!
Ah the things you do when your invincible...errr a teenager!
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Ah the things you do when your invincible...errr a teenager!
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:huh You mean Im not invincible? :confused: :headscratch: :uhoh :bolt:
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:huh You mean Im not invincible? :confused: :headscratch: :uhoh :bolt:
Ask yourself that in 30 or 40 years!
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I think the 72 has IRS and MacPherson strut? The earlier ones were tricky when sideways because the swing axle suspension tended to tuck under, however the roll centre is above the centre of gravity.
Ah happy days, winding those large diameter steering wheels from lock to lock on crappy tyres in the wet. Splendid.
Good first car, read Elford and aspire to a 911 in later life! :banana:
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LOL!!! ya right! If video cameras didn't weight 75 lbs and cost hundreds of dollars back then I show you some great footage of me and my bugs sliding all around parking lots in the dead of winter!
And you had regular summer tires right? No traction whatsoever. In those conditions you might make the bug slide but it will be about 100x more difficult than in a regular front engine car like the Mazda Miyata. The second option is of course that your bug has more horsepower than the regular model, then it can break the rear wheel traction before the car starts to understeer.
It might be difficult to understand for someone who has no experience in winter driving with spiked tires. When you start to accelerate or break, the studs in the tires extend out from the tire. Normally they're partially hidden inside the rubber to prevent road wear and noise. So when you press gas in a beetle at winter, following things will happen:
The engine revs up. The vehicle will start to accelerate moderately. The weight of the vehicle shifts to the back axle even more than it already is. The studs in the rear wheels extend to give more traction. The reverse of that happens in the front which gets lighter and the studs retract even more. Combined with the lesser friction multiplier due to lower front weight the result is a heavy understeer behaviour.
Fundamentally speaking a rear engined car is one the worst possible choices for drifting. Only thing worse would be fwd or a four wheel drive with a rear engine :)
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Fundamentally speaking a rear engined car is one the worst possible choices for drifting.
And conversely arguably the most versatile and rewarding for a skilful driver.
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And conversely arguably the most versatile and rewarding for a skilful driver.
Umm.. no. The drifters choice would be a Mazda Miyata instead of a buggy 100 times out of 100 :)
If you're talking about general driving like Porsche, at winter it's pretty horrible due to understeer. On the track the same thing if it has power, it will understeer on throttle. Other than the understeer behaviour they can be nice drivers, yes.
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You're talking about drifting, I am not.
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You're talking about drifting, I am not.
I don't fully agree with you. A mid engined car like Honda S2000 or a Ferrari is definately the drivers choice.
I have been contemplating about getting a Porsche 911 as a daily driver myself. But I'm worried about the winter behaviour, I don't want to end up sliding out of the road when the nose hits the first slush or snow buildup in the center lane. The new models do have the PSM but I have no personal experience how well it works in practise.
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I don't fully agree with you. A mid engined car like Honda S2000 or a Ferrari is definately the drivers choice.
I have been contemplating about getting a Porsche 911 as a daily driver myself. But I'm worried about the winter behaviour, I don't want to end up sliding out of the road when the nose hits the first slush or snow buildup in the center lane. The new models do have the PSM but I have no personal experience how well it works in practise.
I used to think that too, about the mid engine. My Brother is the money of our family. He has one 1951 VW (I've got a 1950), two 1957 356, a 1965 SWB 911, and has had a 993 and I've been 'forced' :lol to drive them all (but the 356s). The 1965 911 stopped me in my tracks and made me rethink everything I thought I knew about car design.
It's hard to explain the sensation, especially to someone younger but the ability to steer the car with subtle throttle inputs adds a whole new dimension.
If you are passionate about driving and have average or above reflexes and understanding then you really should give it some serious consideration. I'd recommend you'd buy a copy of this book first and read it twice. Don't be concerned about the Winter, that's where the fun starts :banana:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-High-performance-Driving-Handbook-Elford/dp/0760327548/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1338713539&sr=1-3
A quote:
"The 911 is perhaps the most maligned car ever built. Anytime car enthusiasts get together they tell horrendous stories of 911s spinning or leaving the road backward. Any black marks on the guard rail around freeway exits are automatically attributed to out-of-control 911s. Curiously, few, if any of these stories are recounted by 911 drivers themselves. They usually come from people who assume that because of their rear weight bias, 911s automatically spin the moment conditions are anything but ideal. The truth of the matter is that although the early 911s were a little more difficult to drive than 'conventional cars'... once you master the technique, you can do things with a 911 that, if not impossible, are certainly much more difficult with other cars". - Elford.
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I don't fully agree with you. A mid engined car like Honda S2000 or a Ferrari is definately the drivers choice.
:confused: the S2000 is mid engined?
(http://i.imgur.com/hkyFL.jpg)
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Well they like to say so because it is quite far back, but I still call it front-engined myself :old:
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Umm.. no. The drifters choice would be a Mazda Miyata instead of a buggy 100 times out of 100 :)
If you're talking about general driving like Porsche, at winter it's pretty horrible due to understeer. On the track the same thing if it has power, it will understeer on throttle. Other than the understeer behaviour they can be nice drivers, yes.
The drifter's choice would be a 240sx instead of a mazda miata 100 times out of 100.
I've driven plenty of 911s and 930s in the snow and had zero understeer issues.
The rear engine porsche or bug will also be able to move about long after a front engine rear drive loses the ability to move forward.
That said, my 914/6-gt is probably the best cornering car I have ever driven and pulled 1.0g on summit point's pad with 5 year old yokahama A001s.
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I don't fully agree with you. A mid engined car like Honda S2000 or a Ferrari is definately the drivers choice.
I have been contemplating about getting a Porsche 911 as a daily driver myself. But I'm worried about the winter behaviour, I don't want to end up sliding out of the road when the nose hits the first slush or snow buildup in the center lane. The new models do have the PSM but I have no personal experience how well it works in practise.
Ripley,
Just get an all wheel drive model! I've driven with studded tire also,they are no longer legal here but thats another story! I agree they make a huge difference and very likely make it difficult to get the backend to hangout.
I've also driven afew porsches and didnt find them difficult to drive and drive fast! the biggest problems happen when the driver scares themselves and take their foot off the gas,that when bad things happen!
1 last thing,even thought the S2000 has a 50/50 weight ratio I wouldnt call it a midengine car anymore that I'd call a bimmer a mid. Fiat X19 or a MR2 are what I think of as midengine,ya throw in the lambos and prancing horses too but they are not practical cars.
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And you had regular summer tires right? No traction whatsoever. In those conditions you might make the bug slide but it will be about 100x more difficult than in a regular front engine car like the Mazda Miyata. The second option is of course that your bug has more horsepower than the regular model, then it can break the rear wheel traction before the car starts to understeer.
It might be difficult to understand for someone who has no experience in winter driving with spiked tires. When you start to accelerate or break, the studs in the tires extend out from the tire. Normally they're partially hidden inside the rubber to prevent road wear and noise. So when you press gas in a beetle at winter, following things will happen:
The engine revs up. The vehicle will start to accelerate moderately. The weight of the vehicle shifts to the back axle even more than it already is. The studs in the rear wheels extend to give more traction. The reverse of that happens in the front which gets lighter and the studs retract even more. Combined with the lesser friction multiplier due to lower front weight the result is a heavy understeer behaviour.
Fundamentally speaking a rear engined car is one the worst possible choices for drifting. Only thing worse would be fwd or a four wheel drive with a rear engine :)
LOL!!! studded tires! Only rich people had studded tires! They are only legal for a few months of the year around here and it costs to much to have extra tires/rims around to swap back and forth. Also as an "invincible" teen young adult we didn't need any stinkin studs in our tires. You learned to drive in snow with radias, or maybe a snow tire, but NEVER studs! It took all the fun out of driving in snow!
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Why would studded tires be illegal?
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Why would studded tires be illegal?
To rough on the roads/parking lots would be my guess.
I live in florida... the last time it snowed here it lasted 30 minutes and melted when it hit the ground... and it was in april.
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Why would studded tires be illegal?
Good question! basically it boils down to road damage. Sometime in the late 70's I think 78 they made them illegal to use in Ontario.Pryor to that they were common because most cars were front engine rear drive and what you'd call a land yacht so even with winter tires you didnt have enough traction.
Then radial tires came on scene and cars got smaller and front drive became common and studs went away. Personally I think it should be law that you use winter tires and studs on all 4 wheels,as Ripley has said they even have retractable studs today so there is little reason not to have them except maybe some numpties would drive too fast because they have anitlocks and studs.... :rolleyes:
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Good question! basically it boils down to road damage. Sometime in the late 70's I think 78 they made them illegal to use in Ontario.Pryor to that they were common because most cars were front engine rear drive and what you'd call a land yacht so even with winter tires you didnt have enough traction.
Then radial tires came on scene and cars got smaller and front drive became common and studs went away. Personally I think it should be law that you use winter tires and studs on all 4 wheels,as Ripley has said they even have retractable studs today so there is little reason not to have them except maybe some numpties would drive too fast because they have anitlocks and studs.... :rolleyes:
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exactly. What I love is watchin the idiots with 4 wheel drive run around in the winter. They may "go" better in snow, but they don't "stop" all that much better. :neener:
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(http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx224/klingan40/IMAG0039.jpg)
Really fun to drive :banana:
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Update :D
The finished motor almost ready to be thrown in. Fired it up for the first time today and boy did it sound gewd!
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/lil_dinho/Brutus-1.jpg)
EDIT: First time the picture came out all funny.
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To rough on the roads/parking lots would be my guess.
I live in florida... the last time it snowed here it lasted 30 minutes and melted when it hit the ground... and it was in april.
Yup they made 'wagon tracks' in the road. Also, they sometimes came out when someone was spinning their tires. Some people got hurt from the flying studs.
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We still use studded tires over here. Yeah they do damage to the road surface so they're only allowed in the winter months.
This...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2sqrfGSPI
... wouldn't happen with studded tires.
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EDIT: First time the picture came out all funny.
The little red X looks fine in this one.
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edit: Pic seems to be working now.
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Back engined cars will not drift even on snow. When you try to make it slide, pressing gas will only cause understeer because throttling up will make the nose even lighter. Maybe with summer tires it may slide who knows - but it will slide about as well as a hammer on ice - the back heaviness will make it pretty much impossible to control.
Correct, especially in the case of a VW Beetle.
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(http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx224/klingan40/IMAG0039.jpg)
Really fun to drive :banana:
I like the clean lines of that one. I really dig the front chrome, in place of a typical bumper. Nice ride Klingan! :rock
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Correct, especially in the case of a VW Beetle.
Maybe you just need to learn how...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTbzFG1MOcY
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I like the clean lines of that one. I really dig the front chrome, in place of a typical bumper. Nice ride Klingan! :rock
Tnx
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Maybe you just need to learn how...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTbzFG1MOcY
Yay dirt, now do that on tarmac.
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Its still in my name and a drove a 1303 for 12 years.
But got two daughters now still VW is my brand and I drive this Passat now.
(http://www.pbase.com/bug322/image/143827440/original.jpg)
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Yay dirt, now do that on tarmac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LjXCF0TNrk
Happy?
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Its still in my name and a drove a 1303 for 12 years.
But got two daughters now still VW is my brand and I drive this Passat now.
(http://www.pbase.com/bug322/image/143827440/original.jpg)
VWs in Europe are 10 fold better then the American version :cry
All cars are better in the European models... :cry :cry :cry
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Its still in my name and a drove a 1303 for 12 years.
But got two daughters now still VW is my brand and I drive this Passat now.
(http://www.pbase.com/bug322/image/143827440/original.jpg)
Wow, that's actually pretty darn sexy. :O
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Well got home today and the motor thoroughly marked its territory on my garage floor. ;)
On the bottom of the motor that big silver thing is a 3.5 quart oil sump (which doubles the engine oil capacity practically). We put 7 quarts in yesterday and there is 6 and change in it now :lol
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Good question! basically it boils down to road damage. Sometime in the late 70's I think 78 they made them illegal to use in Ontario.Pryor to that they were common because most cars were front engine rear drive and what you'd call a land yacht so even with winter tires you didnt have enough traction.
Then radial tires came on scene and cars got smaller and front drive became common and studs went away. Personally I think it should be law that you use winter tires and studs on all 4 wheels,as Ripley has said they even have retractable studs today so there is little reason not to have them except maybe some numpties would drive too fast because they have anitlocks and studs.... :rolleyes:
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Why would studded tires be illegal?
I always thought that after the snow melted the cops were just jealous of being able to throw lots of sparks while doing burnouts.
Strangely, back in my home town there was this man named Leo Wingert, who would sometimes drive up and down the same worn out street all day long with studed tires in the summertime. This man also owned a road construction business.
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Update :D
The finished motor almost ready to be thrown in. Fired it up for the first time today and boy did it sound gewd!
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/lil_dinho/Brutus-1.jpg)
EDIT: First time the picture came out all funny.
Throw that dizzy cap away. The clear colored ones are GARBAGE. They crack all the time. Good job on the fuel line clamps. Make sure you clamp the ones that lead to the center line as well. If the sump you put on there was new I hope you blew it out really good. Sometimes there is sand left in there from the casting process. Like to see the old VWS. make sure you drive the crap out of it. They hate it when you leave them sit.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/154821_528183160969_6856698_n.jpg)
Daily driving old VWs for 15 years now.
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What a beautiful bus !
And indeed the quality of American build VW,s is another story as the European build.
I hear worse suspension an cheaper materials.
And why they do that beats me.
Also diesel ain't populair but I love my Tdi 143 hp with 300nm And it drove me cheap into France after 960 kilometres the lightbulb of my reserve lights up and that's about 52 litres
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Throw that dizzy cap away. The clear colored ones are GARBAGE. They crack all the time. Good job on the fuel line clamps. Make sure you clamp the ones that lead to the center line as well. If the sump you put on there was new I hope you blew it out really good. Sometimes there is sand left in there from the casting process. Like to see the old VWS. make sure you drive the crap out of it. They hate it when you leave them sit.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/154821_528183160969_6856698_n.jpg)
Daily driving old VWs for 15 years now.
The clear one is a temporary :).
Ill be driving it to and from school everyday about 40 miles round trip. Plus beach trips and going to the airport it'll get used :aok
Hoping to drive it down to Bug Jam as well.
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What a beautiful bus !
And indeed the quality of American build VW,s is another story as the European build.
I hear worse suspension an cheaper materials.
And why they do that beats me.
Also diesel ain't populair but I love my Tdi 143 hp with 300nm And it drove me cheap into France after 960 kilometres the lightbulb of my reserve lights up and that's about 52 litres
Ive looked into the Diesels here because they get almost double the mileage. But they also add about 10K dollars to price tag :uhoh
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The clear one is a temporary :).
Ill be driving it to and from school everyday about 40 miles round trip. Plus beach trips and going to the airport it'll get used :aok
Hoping to drive it down to Bug Jam as well.
You need to build your tool/spare kit if you want to drive it every day. You'll need fuses, fuel filter, points and condenser, valve cover gaskets, zip ties, electric tape, safety wire, clutch cable, throttle cable, a manual, your tools and a cell phone. These are minimum requirements and should be in your car every time you leave the driveway.
See you at Bug Jam!
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You need to build your tool/spare kit if you want to drive it every day. You'll need fuses, fuel filter, points and condenser, valve cover gaskets, zip ties, electric tape, safety wire, clutch cable, throttle cable, a manual, your tools and a cell phone. These are minimum requirements and should be in your car every time you leave the driveway.
See you at Bug Jam!
Already in the trunk :D
I believe we will be judging again this year, hope to see ya :)
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Motor and rear axle go in tomorrow. Then its a matter of finishing up the wiring and filling the tank with gas. :x :banana:
Im gonna take it down to the beach and model next to it to see how many phone numbers I get ;)
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Happy hunting ;)