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Title: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: olds442 on June 02, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
im so tired of the new tank system. why must we settle for a gamey feel that feels like its from battlefeild? and why must a computer decide when too go up or down in gears>? ok keep the cammanders positon but make it so we can be int he drivers positon too. only good thing with new tank system is the sights....really. come on!
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: TwinBoom on June 02, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
I feel a PnG coming on
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: olds442 on June 02, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
I feel a PnG coming on

why?
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 02, 2012, 12:47:21 PM
im so tired of the new tank system. why must we settle for a gamey feel that feels like its from battlefeild? and why must a computer decide when too go up or down in gears>? ok keep the cammanders positon but make it so we can be int he drivers positon too. only good thing with new tank system is the sights....really. come on!

You can down grade your gears, try tapping the S button once, but then again you don't know very much about tanking if you haven't figured this much out.

Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: The Fugitive on June 02, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
im so tired of the new tank system. why must we settle for a gamey feel that feels like its from battlefeild? and why must a computer decide when too go up or down in gears>? ok keep the cammanders positon but make it so we can be int he drivers positon too. only good thing with new tank system is the sights....really. come on!

As a community service, I ran the above statements through a translator and this is what came out.

"Why must I learn how to use the new GV system? It takes too long, and I hate to practice anything new!"
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: TwinBoom on June 02, 2012, 02:04:25 PM
As a community service, I ran the above statements through a translator and this is what came out.

"Why must I learn how to use the new GV system? It takes too long, and I hate to practice anything new!"


 :ahand
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: olds442 on June 02, 2012, 02:13:00 PM
As a community service, I ran the above statements through a translator and this is what came out.

"Why must I learn how to use the new GV system? It takes too long, and I hate to practice anything new!"
practice? a 3 year old could do it! you press one button and your set. your tank is even magically idling for you when you spawn! really. i know AH is about the planes. but this is just ridiculous
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: RedBull1 on June 02, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
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Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 02, 2012, 03:29:28 PM
practice? a 3 year old could do it! you press one button and your set. your tank is even magically idling for you when you spawn! really. i know AH is about the planes. but this is just ridiculous

If its so easy how come you arn't very good?
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Citabria on June 02, 2012, 03:38:03 PM
I love the new tank system. it feels so much more like you are in command of a tank crew vs clumsily fumbling between crew positions like some amorphous blob. frankly it combined with the fun new sights has me in tanks much more than I used to.

the lack of interiors was a design decision to allow more vehicles to be added with the creative resources available. given the number of vehicles that have been added since this design decision I think it was a fantastic compromise.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Klam on June 02, 2012, 04:05:42 PM
^-----what he said.

I prefer flying but will spend a few nights mud-moving just for the fun of it.
Can't be arsed with gears, fwd n bck will do.

Am sure the T34 used to climb a lettuce tho' :D
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Tank-Ace on June 02, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
I agree with Citabria/Fester, save for the fact that theres different possitions for the pintle gun and the tank commander. Although that would be solved if we got binoculars for the tank commander, and changing possitions just represented putting down the field glasses, and hopping on the gun.

The old tank system felt as if you were hastily scrambling from the driver's seat back to the turret after you put a brick on the accelerator, and jury-rigged some system of pulleys to let you steer from the gunner's chair by yanking on a rope.


The current system gives you the feel of taking on the role of the tank commander. You can order the driver to keep going, turn left, or stop, while simultaneously ordering the gunner to traverse the turret to the left, or fire. I mean the only even semi-gamey part is that you sorta take over the gunner's body when you jump to the turret, and even then it also half feels like nothing more than a switch of the camera shot in a movie, giving you a different view on an otherwise identicle scene.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: USCH on June 03, 2012, 09:07:22 AM
i would like it better if i could shift myself, sometimes you cant take a T34 to a fight because its a higher base and that leads to a hill as you spawn in and we know the new auto trany wont let the 34 go up a hill thats more than a few % in grade.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 03, 2012, 09:53:38 AM
I love the new tank system. it feels so much more like you are in command of a tank crew vs clumsily fumbling between crew positions like some amorphous blob. frankly it combined with the fun new sights has me in tanks much more than I used to.

the lack of interiors was a design decision to allow more vehicles to be added with the creative resources available. given the number of vehicles that have been added since this design decision I think it was a fantastic compromise.

This, leave the transmission system alone its not complicated to figure out, while people whine about 1 hill they can't climb - 80% of the other bases are either level or down hill.

Be thankful we even have ground vehicles for years we only had the Panzer 4, Tiger, M8 and M3.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: R 105 on June 03, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
 I like the new commander set up in the tanks but the new transmissin is the worse single thing done to the GVs. I hate it and I do not have the same control over the movement of the tank. You just about can't creep forward like you use to be able to do. Now the tanks takes off or will not move at all when you want it to or moves when you are in the gun sight at the wrong time.

 Climbing a hill is a joke now specially in the T-34. This new transmission has made me just about stop GVing at all and anyone who has played the game for a while knows GVs is about all I did. The WWII tanks were all manual transmission and I don't see why it is a big deal to push a key to shift gears at the time you want them to shift.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Rob52240 on June 03, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
I'd rather have the ridiculous roll overs fixed than the tank control interface.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: BaldEagl on June 03, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
I agree that we need the option to go with a manual transmission.  The automatic sucks.  It also sucks IRL which is why my cars have manual transmissions.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: TDeacon on June 03, 2012, 05:26:59 PM
I agree that we need the option to go with a manual transmission.  The automatic sucks.  It also sucks IRL which is why my cars have manual transmissions.

+1   :aok

MH
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: guncrasher on June 03, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
isnt there a key that only shifts up or down one gear at a time? this is basically a manual transmission.


semp
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 03, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
isnt there a key that only shifts up or down one gear at a time? this is basically a manual transmission.


semp

Yes Tap W and you go in first "gear", although not effective as manual transmission - then again Manual Transmission is no different then what we have now - or any more effective at driving a tank.

Press S to drop down a Gear, W To raise the gear.

Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: ImADot on June 03, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Yes Tap W and you go in first "gear", although not effective as manual transmission - then again Manual Transmission is no different then what we have now - or any more effective at driving a tank.

Press S to drop down a Gear, W To raise the gear.



Not quite...

W and S basically give it more or less gas. Once it gets to a certain speed, it will automatically switch gears either up or down. Tapping the keys sets the speed you want to go, and the game does its best to maintain that speed by changing gears as necessary.

Perhaps the same people that are having issues with this are the same ones who think planes only have two throttle positions: firewalled or idle.  ;)
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Eric19 on June 03, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
we still don't need an automatic transmission they were better with the old manual transmission and more realistic
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: jtdragon on June 03, 2012, 10:47:35 PM
Do not like how I think I an stopped, lining up on a target and then darn thing starts moving agin.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 04, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
Do not like how I think I an stopped, lining up on a target and then darn thing starts moving agin.

Don't use a joystick for tanking, if its uncalibrated (or pedals) you continue to move, if not have the turret spin.

I use a mouse, no bouncing effect and extremely more accurate in long distance shooting.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 04, 2012, 01:20:44 AM
What he said....I was surrounded by enemy tanks the other day, barely bumped a barn, was catapulted up on top of the barn like a bungee jumper bounced 3 times, then off the harvestores, landed upside down, killed 5 enemy tanks while inverted, because for some reason I could still turn my turret, then got killed by a dweeb I couldn't see.   :old:
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Greebo on June 04, 2012, 02:08:11 AM
Don't GVers spend 95% of their time stationary anyway?  :bolt:
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Guppy35 on June 04, 2012, 02:54:48 AM
Don't GVers spend 95% of their time stationary anyway?  :bolt:

Ouch!  That was an 88 shell through the turret Greebo :)
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Tank-Ace on June 04, 2012, 02:56:38 AM
Don't use a joystick for tanking, if its uncalibrated (or pedals) you continue to move, if not have the turret spin.

I use a mouse, no bouncing effect and extremely more accurate in long distance shooting.


I would have to disagree, depending on the sensativity.

I always used a joystick, but then set a bit of deadband to keep it from drifting around.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: RedBull1 on June 04, 2012, 03:01:18 AM

I would have to disagree, depending on the sensativity.

I always used a joystick, but then set a bit of deadband to keep it from drifting around.
Ive tried both, Mouse is much better/more accurate for most, of course it is personal preference however you do not need a joystick in any way to tank  :aok
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: AceHavok on June 04, 2012, 04:00:55 AM
My rule of thumb is if you're tank is sliding off a hill side or tumbling down to Earth.  You're not able to climb that hill. :P
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Rich52 on June 04, 2012, 06:22:40 AM
Yesterday I upped a Panther for the first time. I clipped a small tree while going about 2 mph and the tank did a roll over and that was that for 15 perks.

What in Hell was that about?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 04, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
Yesterday I upped a Panther for the first time. I clipped a small tree while going about 2 mph and the tank did a roll over and that was that for 15 perks.

What in Hell was that about?  :headscratch:

Don't clip trees or hills - you roll every time. Hit a small hill doing any kind of speed you are bound to flip. You have to drive straight over it without turning or on any angle to the hill.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: Butcher on June 04, 2012, 08:26:33 AM

I would have to disagree, depending on the sensativity.

I always used a joystick, but then set a bit of deadband to keep it from drifting around.

Problem is deadband does nothing when the joystick is uncalibrated - unless you have a thrustmaster warthog that doesn't need calibrating, deadband on an uncalibrated joystick can cause it to bounce.
Twisty sticks are far worse, as if the twisty part gets loose, it causes your tank to move in circles - most don't know to disable the "rudder" part - and use a keyboard - you can still use a stick, just not the twisty part

Nothing can beat the sensitivity of the mouse, which is why lowering it to 1.3 gives a tanker accurate shots even up to 4k yards with ease, joystick can't do this.
Title: Re: for the love of god take this FPS tanking stuff away
Post by: WWhiskey on June 04, 2012, 08:38:54 AM
I've always used my sietek co trols for tanking twist to turn I have all the movements programmed to either the throttle or stick, I tried the mouse for a bit but like it much better with my stick controls
At first I didn't like the automatic trans. Either but have gotten used to it , as far as climbing goes, I can't seem to climb as steep a hill as I used to but in reality those tanks
Wouldn't have climbed them Anyway!
For me, the new setup works better but it wasn't any fun re learning the controls, for new players that never new the old system it makes no difference and I doubt they would like the old way if it was switched back,
Adapt, overcome and move on!! As far as your tank moving while trying to fire, shut of your engine to stop and you won't have that problem!