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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: bangsbox on June 09, 2012, 05:35:32 PM
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The M16, an anti-aircraft version of the M3 Half-track, could be equipped with single or double American made copies of the Hispano-Suiza auto-cannon. This variant of the M3 Half-track was used by US and Commonwealth forces late in the Second World War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M3-halftrack-TCM-20-hatzerim-2-1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M3-halftrack-TCM-20-hatzerim-2-1.jpg)
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SdKfz 251/21
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SdKfz 251/21
Doesn't help the Allied tanks in Axis vs Allies settings. Right now the Allied GVs have a much harder time with aircraft as the M16 is not nearly as effective as the Wirbelwind. The Fw190F-8, Bf110G-2 and, soon, Ju87G-2 are all quite lethal to Shermans and T-34s.
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The M16, an anti-aircraft version of the M3 Half-track, could be equipped with single or double American made copies of the Hispano-Suiza auto-cannon. This variant of the M3 Half-track was used by US and Commonwealth forces late in the Second World War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M3-halftrack-TCM-20-hatzerim-2-1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M3-halftrack-TCM-20-hatzerim-2-1.jpg)
What units used these?
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The Israeli army....it's not a WW2 variant. Notice the MG port in the right side of the windscreen/shield.
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The Israeli army....it's not a WW2 variant. Notice the MG port in the right side of the windscreen/shield.
In which case I retract my prior support.
WWII equipment only, please.
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T28E1 CGMC is the only version i see viable for the M3, it had a 37mm autocannon with 240 rounds and a pair of 50s.
Here's what you are looking for:
Twin 20mm Gun Motor Carriage T10E11-3
Date of first acceptance March 1944 Total acceptances 110
(109 converted to MGMC M16)
Manufacturer White Motor Co. Crew 5 men
Basically the problem was the 20mm rounds were not in huge supply in europe, AAA units loved the M-16 for its firepower on the ground as well, later in the war Luftwaffe aircraft rarely existed so they simply converted rather then deal with the supply problem.
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In which case I retract my prior support.
WWII equipment only, please.
yes used by isreal but i saw that it was used by us late in war too.
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yes used by isreal but i saw that it was used by us late in war too.
Nope, 110 were made and 109 converted to M-16s.
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yes used by Israeli but i saw that it was used by us late in war too.
Read the link you supplied,it says it was tested for feasibility in 44 and then adopted by the Israeli army in 46.
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PS: too bad because it would help even out the allied AA vehicle discrepancy
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There is always the skink :D We don't have any Canadian vehicles anyway :lol
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/canada/tank-medium/ram/grizzly-skink-aa-01.png)
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There is always the skink :D We don't have any Canadian vehicles anyway :lol
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/canada/tank-medium/ram/grizzly-skink-aa-01.png)
As far as I can tell only four Skinks were built and only one of those saw combat (honestly, with only four built it is impressive that any saw combat). The threat from the Luftwaffe vanished and with it the need for AA vehicles. I understand it did well against enemy troops.
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Yeah I know, it was a joke It was either the Skink or a Universal carrier for the poor Canucks. :D
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+1
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The best bet for the allies would be the Soviet ZSU-37, honestly...
But, the Skink DID see combat... it'd be awesome to see it live again as a perk vehicle...
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Think the British mounted 40 mm Bofors on trucks during the war, but I don't remember what they were called.
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Think the British mounted 40 mm Bofors on trucks during the war, but I don't remember what they were called.
The Morris C9B I believe... it would be good as well, but the ZSU-37 is more of a purpose built SPAAG, the Morris C9B is a Bofors slapped onto the bed of a truck hehehe
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There is always the skink :D We don't have any Canadian vehicles anyway :lol
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/canada/tank-medium/ram/grizzly-skink-aa-01.png)
Not exactly correct,we did use some fireflys so all it would need is a canuk skin... :devil Oh and maybe a dog pulling it.
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The Morris C9B I believe... it would be good as well, but the ZSU-37 is more of a purpose built SPAAG, the Morris C9B is a Bofors slapped onto the bed of a truck hehehe
You know what I would use that. :aok
C9B pics.
http://www.newedenlibrary.net/models/reference/C9B_Bofors/morris_bofors.shtml
http://www.wheelsofvictory.com/Morris%20commercial%20c9%20B.html
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number4739.asp
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This would do it:
Crusader III AA MkI
Great Britan 1940-1943
Armor: 32mm
Range: 322 km.
Speed: 24-42 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: Bofors 40mm AA Gun with an autoloader and powered mounting in an open topped turret.
Bofors 40mm AA Gun:
Caliber: 40mm
ROF: 120 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 881 m/s
Effective range: 12,500 ft
Maximum Range: 23,600 ft
The Bofors 40 mm gun is a famous anti-aircraft auto-cannon designed by the Swedish firm of Bofors. It was one of the most popular medium-weight anti-aircraft systems during World War II, used by most of the western Allies as well as various other forces. It is often referred to simply as the Bofors gun. The gun fired a 900 g (2 lb) high explosive 40 × 311R (rimmed) shell.
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This would do it:
Crusader III AA MkI
Great Britan 1940-1943
Armor: 32mm
Range: 322 km.
Speed: 24-42 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: Bofors 40mm AA Gun with an autoloader and powered mounting in an open topped turret.
Bofors 40mm AA Gun:
Caliber: 40mm
ROF: 120 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 881 m/s
Effective range: 12,500 ft
Maximum Range: 23,600 ft
The Bofors 40 mm gun is a famous anti-aircraft auto-cannon designed by the Swedish firm of Bofors. It was one of the most popular medium-weight anti-aircraft systems during World War II, used by most of the western Allies as well as various other forces. It is often referred to simply as the Bofors gun. The gun fired a 900 g (2 lb) high explosive 40 × 311R (rimmed) shell.
Now that is interesting they even had a double & a triple 20 mm version of that as well. Nice find. :aok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_tank
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Doesn't help the Allied tanks in Axis vs Allies settings. Right now the Allied GVs have a much harder time with aircraft as the M16 is not nearly as effective as the Wirbelwind.
Not even the wirbelwind was as effective as our wirbelwind. It could only fire short 20rd bursts, and was NOT a single-ping-2K-out killer like in this game. In fact, with the utter whining of the GV isolationists, it's now deadlier than ever (no icons even when it kills you) simulating 20/20 vision for the gunners with no reloads and full fire, but simulating legal blindness for any plane it shoots down.
So that's a moot argument -- there's no need to match this vehicle for the allied side when it is an abomination to begin with!
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Not even the wirbelwind was as effective as our wirbelwind. It could only fire short 20rd bursts, and was NOT a single-ping-2K-out killer like in this game. In fact, with the utter whining of the GV isolationists, it's now deadlier than ever (no icons even when it kills you) simulating 20/20 vision for the gunners with no reloads and full fire, but simulating legal blindness for any plane it shoots down.
So that's a moot argument -- there's no need to match this vehicle for the allied side when it is an abomination to begin with!
The irony of the Wirbelwind is that it was replaced with the Ostwind because the Ostwind was found to be better.
Have to disagree with not having allied AA though. The Crusader looks to be the best choice :aok you can get three AA variants as well as a long over due British tank. A HTC plus I think when it comes to modeling a new platform.
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As far as I can tell only four Skinks were built and only one of those saw combat (honestly, with only four built it is impressive that any saw combat). The threat from the Luftwaffe vanished and with it the need for AA vehicles. I understand it did well against enemy troops.
As has been said, the alleis really need something. If there is nothing better, the Skink might be the perfect fit for the hole.
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Not exactly correct,we did use some fireflys so all it would need is a canuk skin... :devil Oh and maybe a dog pulling it.
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Hmmm, which company manufactured the Firefly in Canada? Learn something new every day :aok
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Before some of you lose your minds...the M-19...I am NOT suggesting it be added :D
(http://www.battletanks.com/images/M19_GMC.jpg)
http://www.battletanks.com/m19_gmc.htm (http://www.battletanks.com/m19_gmc.htm)
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Hmmm, which company manufactured the Firefly in Canada? Learn something new every day :aok
I'm not sure we built any,although we did build some GV's but we had fireflys in Normandie. There a firefly sitting at the old barracks where I live in London ont.
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Think the British mounted 40 mm Bofors on trucks during the war, but I don't remember what they were called.
There was a variant of the M3, called the M15 "Special", that was outfitted with 40mm Bofar cannons. Not sure how many served though and these were M3s that were field modded by US Army depots in Australia.
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