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Title: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Reschke on June 20, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
 Just ordered it today and it is showing up for delivery tomorrow from Memphis (thanks Newegg); anyway I got this one Intel 330 Series Maple Crest 120GB SATA III and from what I have read they seem to be pretty straightforward but I was wondering about tips and tricks with them if any were needed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-167-121&nm_mc=EMC-GD062012&cm_mmc=EMC-GD062012-_-index-_-Item-_-20-167-121
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 20, 2012, 01:33:48 PM
Heya Reschke,

I recommend visiting the Intel product page of the particular ssd and then review its support page and possibly the Intel forums..... Search for tips / procedures for installing new Intel ssd's


Hope this helps.          I recommend updating the firmware before installing any OS , etc... First.. if it needs it

TC
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Mustaine on June 20, 2012, 04:49:22 PM
Couple things:

Make sure the MB is updated fully, and can support SSD speeds.
Using a 6gb SATA drive in a 3gb port can cause trouble.
SSD's have firmware that needs to be updated as well.

Get ready for speed. I installed Windows in 9 minutes boot to desktop. I boot from pressing the power button to desktop in ~7 seconds. Restarts take about 21 seconds.

Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Reschke on June 21, 2012, 08:01:24 AM
Thanks for the information guys. I have an EVGA P67 SLI motherboard and from what I have read it should be good to go. I have downloaded the newest firmware and BIOS updates for everything just in case.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=130-SB-E675-KR

Also on the firmware I noticed that the latest one they have was from last September for that drive? Should I update before I install Windows or should I install Windows first?
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 24, 2012, 04:46:25 PM
It will barely hold Window 7 Home Premium & updates. You probably will have difficulty copying an image of previous system because of limited space.   :bhead
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MaSonZ on June 24, 2012, 05:32:31 PM
It will barely hold Window 7 Home Premium & updates. You probably will have difficulty copying an image of previous system because of limited space.   :bhead
I have 7 Pro on a 120GB and have 74.2GB free to play with. this is off a clean install of 7 and nothing else on it other then firefox becasue I couldnt save to a data drive  :headscratch: no biggie.

He'll fit 7 premium on it fine with updates.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 24, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
I have 2 computers each using a crucial M4 series 128 gb for the main OS drive

I have not experienced any problems regarding shortage of hd space on either pc, in the last year+ that I have been using them....  1 is on an I7 Intel build, the 2nd is on an amd 3.6 ghz quad core build.....

I do use separate data/storage on each pc, though

TC
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 25, 2012, 12:06:52 AM
It will barely hold Window 7 Home Premium & updates. You probably will have difficulty copying an image of previous system because of limited space.   :bhead

Win7 HP takes about 4 gigabytes of space. He'll have over 100 to spare.

Might be a good idea to remove crud after service pack installs etc. updates using ccleaner or similar, they can amount to gigabytes worth of unnecessary data.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: SilverZ06 on June 25, 2012, 07:57:17 AM
Im running W7 HP 64bit on a 64gig ssd just fine.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Reschke on June 25, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Win7 Ultimate on my previous HDD was no where near 120GB in its footprint on that drive....no idea where that thought of not having enough HDD space came from there.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Noir on June 25, 2012, 11:32:30 AM
aces high with its constant micro writes on the hard drive will highly stress your SSD drive and may reduce it's life span.

Sluzzy recommends not to use a SSD to play aces high.

You've been warned  :old:
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Reschke on June 25, 2012, 04:21:22 PM
aces high with its constant micro writes on the hard drive will highly stress your SSD drive and may reduce it's life span.

Sluzzy recommends not to use a SSD to play aces high.

You've been warned  :old:

Not using my SSD for AH...besides the cost of them is still too high to replace my old 1TB drive for anything other than booting up and some other critical backups like documents and photos that are a one time write for me.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 25, 2012, 08:14:40 PM
aces high with its constant micro writes on the hard drive will highly stress your SSD drive and may reduce it's life span.

Sluzzy recommends not to use a SSD to play aces high.

You've been warned  :old:

Yes Skuzzy has warned the AH Community several times over the years about AH and installing it on an SSD

here is a thread talking about SSD's from last year:
Aces High and the Hard Drive  
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325389.0.html

here is what I posted:
I am only coming up on 6 months for my Crucial m4 128 Gig SSD

its rated endurance is 72 TB over 5 years  which equals  40 GBs a day for 5 years....... since the firmware rev 9 update its performance has increased a good bit with Crucial claiming seq Read @ 500MB/s ( mine is around 526 MB/s ) and seq Write @ 175 MB/s ( mine is around 248 MB/s )  on my AMD Phenom II 975 x4  build.....  with AH installed on the SSD

I have (2) of these same SSD's in RAID 0  on my i7-2600K  but I have not bothered to run any indepth tests in this raid setup.......... I did run them when it was just a single SSD, and got close to the same as with my AMD......

using Windows 7 64 bit, it has  GC ( Garbage Collection), Trim & SMART  abilities............ and I have not experienced any slow down as of yet...... ( I play more steadily on the Intel PC than I have on the AMD since July......  

now, I do recommend people doing a reboot more frequently than you might when using a old platter/disc  type  Hard Drive......

I currently have my AMD hooked into my 4 way KV switch with my old work PC and 2 other pc's all sharing same keyboard/mouse/monitor/speakers via USB/DVI  hookup cables...... )....  

will let y'all know in another 6 months or so how things are going....... if interested.....

edit:  I also must note that I do not play Aces high as FREQUENT as I used to do......... and for the majority of people I would probably suggest they install AH on a secondary data drive,  let their SSD be used as a booster for it....

TC   ( btw - I was aware that running AH on my SSD wouldput more wear / use on it faster, it was the 40 GB a day for 5 years endurance claim by Crucial that let me go ahead and decide to install Aces High on the SSD )

it has been another 6 months and a newer revision of firmware that improved the ssd's I am using.....
granted I slacked off of AH due to RL around 1st part of April..... but my comps running SSD drives as the main OS and AH installed........ seem to be just as good if not better now, than the day I first installed them....

edit:  I also have taken my i7 Intel pc off of the raid 0 setup of the (2) Crucial M4 128GB SSD drives and moved back to just 1 SSD drive, so I could have my SSD tools/features working ( garbage collection/trim/SMART etc.....) plus using just 1 SSD is fast enough, using 2 in RAID 0 is stupid overkill and a waste on this computer in my opinion.......

also, the Crucial website is listing the Crucial M4 128GB SSD @ $125.99 ........  seems the price has dropped a good bit since I last checked.....

YMMV

hope this helps

TC
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 26, 2012, 07:35:15 AM

also, the Crucial website is listing the Crucial M4 128GB SSD @ $125.99 ........  seems the price has dropped a good bit since I last checked.....

YMMV

hope this helps

TC

SSD prices have fallen rapidly lately. And the trend continues.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 27, 2012, 10:00:05 PM
weird, mine said not enough space right after I formatted it.....?   :headscratch:
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 28, 2012, 12:27:06 AM
weird, mine said not enough space right after I formatted it.....?   :headscratch:

Not enough space for what?

There are three possible scenarios as far as I can see it:

1) You've hit a firmware bug which kills your SSD leaving it with 5 megabytes of free space. Those were common in early batch of Sandfire drives. In that case RMA your drive asap.
2) You've bought the drive from China and it's actually an empty shell with a 2Gb USB drive embedded in it (yes this can happen).
3) You've tried to restore an image to the drive that's larger than the actual capacity
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: zack1234 on June 28, 2012, 07:09:20 AM
Number 2 is a fantastic idea lol
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 28, 2012, 07:24:13 AM
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/fake_samsung_harddrive.jpg)
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 28, 2012, 07:33:15 AM
^  :lol
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MaSonZ on June 28, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
weird, mine said not enough space right after I formatted it.....?   :headscratch:
did you make an image of your old C:? I had this issue when I first got my SSD, and had to reduce my page file for my memory to make it fit. Once I did a clean re-install of 7 I had a load more room.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 28, 2012, 07:04:14 PM
1. Old HD image was too big.
2. Locally manufactured here in Boise/Meridian Idaho "Crucial" 120Gig SSD.
3. New image...formatted & started over, would not take entire Win 7...?

 :headscratch:
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MaSonZ on June 28, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
1) Size? 60GB will snug, but you should be able to squeeze 7 on it, 120GB no issue.
2)Size of image? If the image is larger then the actual physical size of the drive (1TB is actually something like 981 gigs) then obviously Image wont fit.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 29, 2012, 12:11:01 AM
1. Old HD image was too big.
2. Locally manufactured here in Boise/Meridian Idaho "Crucial" 120Gig SSD.
3. New image...formatted & started over, would not take entire Win 7...?

 :headscratch:

Win7 takes only about 4 gigs of space on initial installation. If that won't fit your drive there's something seriously wrong. Start over again, this time erase all partitions on the SSD before formatting it again in Win7 setup.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: curry1 on June 29, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
I'm not really adding anything but I want to say I just bought one too.  I did it for America and not for me though because it was the 4th of July sale. $89.99


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233191&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL062812&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL062812-_-EMC-062812-Index-_-SSD-_-20233191-L0B
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 30, 2012, 07:37:29 AM
I'm not really adding anything but I want to say I just bought one too.  I did it for America and not for me though because it was the 4th of July sale. $89.99


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233191&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL062812&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL062812-_-EMC-062812-Index-_-SSD-_-20233191-L0B

That is one heck of a price....  Corsair has always been very good and quick as well, about sending one's rebate to ya, also

TC
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Reschke on June 30, 2012, 08:44:48 AM
Yep that isn't a bad deal at all. Might consider picking up at least one of those for my other two desktops in the house as well.
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 30, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
It finally loaded right...no idea why it wouldn't before. I just reformatted, saved all the key files I wanted on it & added the later. One question...any way to link "Pictures" or "Videos" in the SSD to the 2 TB HD matching files, so I don't have to look for it every time & the PC will know where to save stuff?
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Bizman on June 30, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
It finally loaded right...no idea why it wouldn't before. I just reformatted, saved all the key files I wanted on it & added the later. One question...any way to link "Pictures" or "Videos" in the SSD to the 2 TB HD matching files, so I don't have to look for it every time & the PC will know where to save stuff?
Open your profile (the folder in upper right of Start menu having your name), right click "Pictures" and other folders one at a time, choose Properties > Location Tab > Move, select a Destination (create new folders to our 2TB disk) and follow the prompts. Simple and safe.

You also might like to change the location of your temporary folders to prevent unnecessary usage of your new SSD. Instructions and warnings e.g. here (http://windows7themes.net/how-to-change-temp-folder-location-in-windows-7.html).
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 30, 2012, 01:31:41 PM
Open your profile (the folder in upper right of Start menu having your name), right click "Pictures" and other folders one at a time, choose Properties > Location Tab > Move, select a Destination (create new folders to our 2TB disk) and follow the prompts. Simple and safe.

You also might like to change the location of your temporary folders to prevent unnecessary usage of your new SSD. Instructions and warnings e.g. here (http://windows7themes.net/how-to-change-temp-folder-location-in-windows-7.html).

Sorry I just had to press the 'report to moderator' button. You're way too nice and helpful for a finn.  :old:
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: Bizman on June 30, 2012, 01:39:49 PM
Sorry I just had to press the 'report to moderator' button. You're way too nice and helpful for a finn.  :old:
My father is German, so I'm half-bred. Does that explain?
Title: Re: SSD on the way...anything I need to be aware of installing it?
Post by: W7LPNRICK on June 30, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Thanks Bizman, you're a Gent. :aok