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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: sunlust on June 24, 2012, 09:18:14 PM
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well the name says it all
bit tired so here are some of the links i did find
this is one plane we do need because it was the most used.
http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-26_Invader :airplane:
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This is not a "punt" if I blab on about the A-26! Plus I searched instead of starting a new thread :rock
Obviously if there is a formation, this would be an untouchable CV killer, so it probably needs to be perked without a formation. Up to 10 x .50 cal's pointing to point at air cons (with 4 gondi's). Did I mention 6k of bombs, and as fast or faster than B-26's? I love the 25H... But it just can't keep up in the MA, so please give me a single A-26 this year Santa. :pray
I promise to drunkenly blab on 200 less if you give me this... I will be JABOING the whole time... When I'm not roping 109G's. :joystick:
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What do you mean "the most used"?
In the context of WWII the A-26 did not see heavy use.
That said, it should be added eventually. Lightly perked perhaps, though the Tu-2 may have demonstrated that not to be needed.
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This is not a "punt" if I blab on about the A-26! Plus I searched instead of starting a new thread :rock
Obviously if there is a formation, this would be an untouchable CV killer, so it probably needs to be perked without a formation. Up to 10 x .50 cal's pointing to point at air cons (with 4 gondi's). Did I mention 6k of bombs, and as fast or faster than B-26's? I love the 25H... But it just can't keep up in the MA, so please give me a single A-26 this year Santa. :pray
I promise to drunkenly blab on 200 less if you give me this... I will be JABOING the whole time... When I'm not roping 109G's. :joystick:
If you want it that bad, then you must do what I did when the He-111 came out: An ENTIRE tour in NOTHING but the A-26. Manned guns and the occasional gv are exempt. :)
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+1
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If we get a non-nerfed A-26, I will do a whole tour in it! :banana:
It appears to be about 30mph faster than the TU2 :rock
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If we get a non-nerfed A-26, I will do a whole tour in it! :banana:
It appears to be about 30mph faster than the TU2 :rock
non-nerfed A-26?
ack-ack
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A-26 would need to be heavily perked.
I would rather see the B25J already...
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non-nerfed A-26?
ack-ack
That is exactly what I thought. :lol
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For us ol fogeys this was available in AW3(?) and was heavily used, by me and CApy anyway
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+1, but it would have to be perked at least a little bit imo...
<S> Hetz
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Perk it like the arado! :old:
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Could they not fit it with 37mm cannon also ?
not a good idea to HO that one, even in a 410....
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Could they not fit it with 37mm cannon also ?
not a good idea to HO that one, even in a 410....
Initially, all A-26Bs were supposed to be produced with a 75mm cannon but only the early blocks (15 A-26B-5s) came out of the factory with a 75mm cannon and 2x .50 caliber machine guns. A new all purpose nose was introduced with the A-26B-10-DL block that included different gun packages the USAAF tested out that are listed below.
75mm cannon with 2x .50 caliber machine guns
75mm cannon with 1x 37mm cannon
2x 37mm cannons
37mm cannon with 2x .50 caliber machine guns
37mm cannon with 4x .50 caliber machine guns
6x .50 caliber machine guns
The USAAF decided to go with the 6x .50 caliber nose package for a few reasons. The primary reason was that cannon equipped attack planes didn't offer any advantages over 'strafer' versions, as the USAAF found that strafer models were just as effective in destroying hardened targets with machine guns and rockets as the cannon equipped attack planes like the B-25G/H. Another reason was the slow rate of fire of the 75mm and 37mm cannons and the unreliability of the 37mm cannon. Another reason was logistics, it was far easier to use a universal weapon package for the Invader than having different types of guns and ammo. As far as I know, none of the early A-26B-5s that were produced with the 75mm cannon ever saw any operational service and I believe had 75mm cannon removed and replaced with the standard 6x .50 caliber machine guns.
ack-ack
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I'm pretty sure that ingame it would be much tougher than a 410, and a ju88 conbined !
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We are getting close Santa :pray
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A-26 Invader, 355 mph, lot's 0f .50's. and a whole lot of ordnance ( rockets. bombs et al ).
A big yes, we need it.
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A-26 would need to be heavily perked.
I would rather see the B25J already...
Why would it need to be heavily perked?
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A-26 Invader, 355 mph, lot's 0f .50's. and a whole lot of ordnance ( rockets. bombs et al ).
A big yes, we need it.
+1
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Would need to be perked more than an Arado.
I like the plane, but id rather see the B25J added.
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Would need to be perked more than an Arado.
I like the plane, but id rather see the B25J added.
Only one plane can catch the Arado...maybe. Almost every fighter can catch the A-26. No matter how many 0.50s they pin on it it wont be all that useful in the game because you'd have to suck to let one out maneuver you and get on your tail. With ANY perk price nobody is going to upp them to be fighter planes like we do the A-20 when FHs are down.
I think a max perk of 50 would do fine.
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Only one plane can catch the Arado...maybe. Almost every fighter can catch the A-26. No matter how many 0.50s they pin on it it wont be all that useful in the game because you'd have to suck to let one out maneuver you and get on your tail. With ANY perk price nobody is going to upp them to be fighter planes like we do the A-20 when FHs are down.
I think a max perk of 50 would do fine.
I'm thinking more like 5 to 10, mostly a token to control it from over use due to speed combined with bombload.
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Blatant punt! :bolt:
This should be the next plane
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mhm yes mhm :noid
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Right after the Sparviero. :D
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Not before the Beaufighter. Less than a year of WW2 use in limited form for the A-26 with the USAAF
Five years combat in large numbers, flown by a number of Allied Air Forces in every theater of the war. THE most glaring omission in the AH plane set.
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Not before the Beaufighter. Less than a year of WW2 use in limited form for the A-26 with the USAAF
Five years combat in large numbers, flown by a number of Allied Air Forces in every theater of the war. THE most glaring omission in the AH plane set.
What he said.
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Italy has no bomber. Mama-mia. (And there's longevity.)
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We have plenty of Brit and US planes.
Bring on the spaghetti bomber!
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B25J +1 i need a bomber to fly and the C model is practically defenseless
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Not before the Beaufighter. Less than a year of WW2 use in limited form for the A-26 with the USAAF
Five years combat in large numbers, flown by a number of Allied Air Forces in every theater of the war. THE most glaring omission in the AH plane set.
Wise words :old:
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Next vote should include SM-79, Beaufighter, and A-26 Invader. The first two will not do well in the MA though.
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If we do get the A-26 eventually, people are going to be shocked when they find out that, contrary to some opinions, it's not going to compete with fighters in A2A engagements. It will not be like the over modeled A-26 from AW that could out turn Zekes.
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There's gonna be a 'next vote?'
Battleships and torps on destroyers.
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If we do get the A-26 eventually, people are going to be shocked when they find out that, contrary to some opinions, it's not going to compete with fighters in A2A engagements. It will not be like the over modeled A-26 from AW that could out turn Zekes.
*gasp*
Say it isn't so!
And after the A26, I want the Me410. Wait'll I start dropping Spits with that monster!
...oh...wait...
- oldman
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Next vote should include SM-79, Beaufighter, and A-26 Invader. The first two will not do well in the MA though.
You don't know the Beau very well then :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/Beaufighter.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Beaufighters/Beaufighter.jpg.html)
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Beaufighter. It's been asked for years. It is a glaring omission. A26 end of the war.
Just the latest most greatest fastest most guns type of plane like the 410. 410 was voted in and it is seen in skies of AH rarely, if ever.
This is akin to fans voting for the all-star baseball players.
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You don't know the Beau very well then :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/Beaufighter.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Beaufighters/Beaufighter.jpg.html)
A26 will easily win any public poll. Big attack plane with lots of fifties flown from F3 mode and above all - american. I may replace dome A20 in the arena, but how much will depend on its modeling and the availability of F3 (it shouldn't have it, but it will).
The beau will not be a hangar queen, though not really popular either. 4 hispanos with lots of ammo, sturdy construction and good maneuverability, will make it an effective attacker. It may become a popular torpedo plane if this load out is allowed. Its greatest disadvantage vs. The A20 is that the Beau may be classified as attacker, roll out of the FH and have F3 disabled.
All these heavy attack planes should lose F3 - A20 included.
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If we do get the A-26 eventually, people are going to be shocked when they find out that, contrary to some opinions, it's not going to compete with fighters in A2A engagements. It will not be like the over modeled A-26 from AW that could out turn Zekes.
you mean like the a20 cant turn very well?
semp
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you mean like the a20 cant turn very well?
semp
Yes. Wing loading on the A-26 was very high by WWII standards. Similar to the Me410's wing loading as I recall. Very much higher than the wing loading on the A-20, Beaufighter, Bf110, J1N1, Ju88C or G, Ki-45, Ki-102, Mosquitoes, P-38s or Whirlwind.
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If it goes to a poll; the A-26 would win only because its a late war with lots of guns 'n bombs same as the Me-410.
Honestly would like to see more Japanese/Italian/Beaufighter first.
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The thing is, with so many variants that served throughout the war, which Beaufighter would we get? This is one aircraft I believe should have at LEAST 2 variants. One for EW, another that can gap MW and LW. Though I think it would best to have 3 variants that covers well EW, MW, and LW. :)
I would rather see the Ki-45 and the Hs-129 before the A-26. :)
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The thing is, with so many variants that served throughout the war, which Beaufighter would we get? This is one aircraft I believe should have at LEAST 2 variants. One for EW, another that can gap MW and LW. Though I think it would best to have 3 variants that covers well EW, MW, and LW. :)
I would rather see the Ki-45 and the Hs-129 before the A-26. :)
There are two variants that fit the game. The Beaufighter VI and the T Mk X. The first is the version that was more of the attack fighter and the second was the Torbeau that did the torpedo attacks.
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+1, A26 and Beau.
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There are two variants that fit the game. The Beaufighter VI and the T Mk X. The first is the version that was more of the attack fighter and the second was the Torbeau that did the torpedo attacks.
Yes, we need the models with attack capabilities - the night fighters will not be very useful to either arena or scenarios.
Also, we need the models with Hercules engines! The Merlin versions are nice and all, but a Beau without the signature Hercules is just... just.. wrong!
So, as Guppy suggested, this means the VI and X variants. The latter with the stronger engines and torpedos will find use in the MA.
:old:
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Try and tel me you wouldn't have fun with one of these :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighter-Mark-X.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/Beaufighter-Mark-X.jpg.html)
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Ah if not a tri-motor plane update a torpedo attack/bomber plane update! :D
(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130929035204/turtledove/images/a/a8/SM.79.jpg)
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you mean like the a20 cant turn very well?
semp
Nope, Karnak did a pretty good explanation as to why it wouldn't be as maneuverable as the Havoc/Boston. Add to that, the A-26 was not credited with any official kills stemming from A2A engagements. The only official kills recorded by the A-26 were all a result of the defensive guns, though there is a recorded probable kill on a Me 262 that was either in the process of taking off or landing.
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Nope, Karnak did a pretty good explanation as to why it wouldn't be as maneuverable as the Havoc/Boston. Add to that, the A-26 was not credited with any official kills stemming from A2A engagements. The only official kills recorded by the A-26 were all a result of the defensive guns, though there is a recorded probable kill on a Me 262 that was either in the process of taking off or landing.
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well, let me worry about the turning thing. I have caught many pilots unaware with my a26. heck even in lancs is funny trying to outturn fighters.
semp
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well, let me worry about the turning thing. I have caught many pilots unaware with my a26. heck even in lancs is funny trying to outturn fighters.
semp
I also misread your post as "Like an A-20 that can't turn very well."
The A-20 will fly circles around the A-26 in air-to-air combat.
There is a reason you use the A-20 for your style of fighting and not the Me410. If you want to prep yourself for fighting in the A-26 you ought to stop using the A-20 and use the Me410 instead. Me410 is the closest thing we have to the kind of performance the A-26 would have.
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I also misread your post as "Like an A-20 that can't turn very well."
The A-20 will fly circles around the A-26 in air-to-air combat.
There is a reason you use the A-20 for your style of fighting and not the Me410. If you want to prep yourself for fighting in the A-26 you ought to stop using the A-20 and use the Me410 instead. Me410 is the closest thing we have to the kind of performance the A-26 would have.
never used the a20 or the 410. have turned fight in the b26, lancs and b17's.
semp
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+1 for the beau
A26 not so much, It is an awesome bird though. I would rather see a B25J before it. theres a huge gap with the B25s its a medium bomber with good def. armament and I love her. the C is garbage and the H is the H i dont really care for it but its better defended than the C just cant lvl bomb from 8-14K with it unless your formed up with a C and you carpet something
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Let's talk about the comparison of A-20 to A-26. (Wikipedia links will be posted as well) I fail to see how these two are in the same ballpark, look at the bomb loads. As far as the "Next" plane goes, I agree the Beaufighter is a glaring gap. Also, the B-25j needs to be put in ASAP. However, there are some points you are overlooking. Maybe my simple logic will help you? We have the A-20 Havoc, great plane, but A-26 is at least 6 better, see 26-20=6. Okay I am kidding, but seriously other planes like the 410, 152, 163, 190-D9, and K4, how many of those were even produced? The Dora and K4 started production around the time the A-26 entered service. The planes are in same time/theatre, thus the too late in the war argument is moot. The 410 is revolutionary technologically with it's pilot ergonomics, remote fired defensive guns and modular weapons systems. In practice though it was a total flop for Germany, they canned it for more 109s, after a little over 1 year run. The 152 and 163 both saw negligible service, and both types had recorded combat kills, but we're not game changers. The A26 is a potential game changer, and that scares people.
Links:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-26_Invader
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-20_Havoc
Just one day I want this beast known as "Invader". I like having all countries represented, but the "spaghetti" bomber though? As much as I like the idea personally, it will be less used than the He-111's, due to the lack of survivability. Just think 111 slow, with Italian reliability...just kidding, but with half the firepower. 2 x .303s and 2 x 12.7s
P.S. I do not know this other game mentioned, it sounds like an arcade game. I do not want equipment in AH, because of what some other game has.
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Hmmmmm ...... replies with a nine month gestation period.
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A-26 isn't really a game changer. Just a heavy attack plane that would likely have a light perk cost to it. Don't think anybody is afraid of it though.
If I recall correctly, about 700 Fw190D-9s were made and about 1500 Bf109K-4s.
Remember, the A-26 was rejected for service in the pacific due to the inability of the pilot to see over the engines on either side. Made low level work too dangerous.
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Then how did the beaufighter do it?
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Remember, the A-26 was rejected for service in the pacific due to the inability of the pilot to see over the engines on either side. Made low level work too dangerous.
And quite frankly, the 5th AF didn't really need it in the PTO.
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Then how did the beaufighter do it?
Pilot can see over the engines in the Beau. Look at Guppy's artwork at the top of the page.
The engines of the A-26 are too high to have any view over and made formations on low level ops extremely unsafe.
And as Ack-Ack says, it wasn't really needed.
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Then how did the beaufighter do it?
Beau has a low wing, vs the A26 middle wing. It does not seem too bad for the A26 from the 3rd person POV pictures but it must have been significant enough when looking from the cockpit. Over the nose the Beau has a significant advantage with its short nose and high sitting position vs. the huge broad nose of the A26.
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A-26 360 degree cockpit panorama: http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0 (http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0)
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A-26 360 degree cockpit panorama: http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0 (http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0)
Better view over the engine than I had expected, but still pretty bad.
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i never realized its not a tandem seat cockpit with a co-pilot. Learn something everyday
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A-26 360 degree cockpit panorama: http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0 (http://www.360cities.net/image/xxxx-1#1.90,22.30,45.0)
Can't see a thing out of that.
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Pilot can see over the engines in the Beau. Look at Guppy's artwork at the top of the page.
The engines of the A-26 are too high to have any view over and made formations on low level ops extremely unsafe.
And as Ack-Ack says, it wasn't really needed.
Another complaint the 3rd Bomb Group had when evaluating the A-26 in the PTO was the flat topped canopy. Because of the canopy design, the forward turret couldn't be locked forward to provide additional forward fire power for strafing runs. It wasn't until I think the C model when the clam shell canopy design was introduced into the production line that the forward turret was able to be locked forward.
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forget what it says in the reports. the only reason I came to ah was because I flew the a26 in aw a lot. I do miss it. dont care if you can look over the engine, or if the oil has a satin shin to it.
it all comes down to why I fly the pony, not because it is the best, or because it was the best plane in ww2. it all comes down to it brings back memories of it. dont really care how many german planes the a26 killed at the attack in Hawaii. it is just a great plane that brings back lots of memories.
so cut the bs and let's have it.
semp
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It wasn't until I think the C model when the clam shell canopy design was introduced into the production line that the forward turret was able to be locked forward.
Both B and C variants got the canopy. At the Douglas Long Beach plant, the new canopy replaced the old from production batch B-30-DL on wards.
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Hmmmmm ...... replies with a nine month gestation period.
If you think that is a punt, wait until I punt this thing back in 3 years. :x
Looking at the cockpit 360, the views seem better than the B-25H, a plane many of us love with all it's faults, and about on par with the Mosquito. (Does the Mosquito have a fault?) A-26, B-25-j, Beaufighter, the spaghetti bomber(for scenarios and EW, because I see so many of you in there) all deserve to be in the game. My crusade is for the A-26, it represents an evolution in the art, and science of aviation. More ord, more .50's, more speed...what's not to like? The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to perk the Invader. Being an "A" plane it won't have formations. If it gets a glass nose variant, so what? There will only be one. This is the perfect low ENY attack plane, the LA-7 and N1K2 are not perked, these things are not always available. The idea that low ENY equates to high K/D is totally refuted by the statistics page. Remember the great Yak-3 scourge, and to a lesser extent the Tu-2 intro? Yes at first, every Tom, Dick and Hairy will fly it in hoards, but eventually the new thing will be less shiny, tactics will evolve, and on goes the game.
Remember in 100 years no one is going to give one excrement about your petty gripes. :old:
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Remember in 100 years no one is going to give one excrement about your petty gripes. :old:
I will and my observations are inspiring.
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Looking at the cockpit 360... about on par with the Mosquito.
Erm, Mossie's views are much better. Particularly to the rear where the A-26 is fully blocked. Over the engine view on the Mossie is better as is the over the nose view.
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I with i could have gotten in the jug on that :cry :cry
Ive been asking for the B25J for years now. The C is a sitting duck and the H is useless for level bombing we need the J badly I will fly that more than any other bomber