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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2015, 02:24:04 PM »
Try and tel me you wouldn't have fun with one of these :)

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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2015, 03:03:13 PM »
Ah if not a tri-motor plane update a torpedo attack/bomber plane update!  :D


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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2015, 05:20:37 PM »
you mean like the a20 cant turn very well?


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Nope, Karnak did a pretty good explanation as to why it wouldn't be as maneuverable as the Havoc/Boston.  Add to that, the A-26 was not credited with any official kills stemming from A2A engagements.  The only official kills recorded by the A-26 were all a result of the defensive guns, though there is a recorded probable kill on a Me 262 that was either in the process of taking off or landing.

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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2015, 05:30:56 PM »
Nope, Karnak did a pretty good explanation as to why it wouldn't be as maneuverable as the Havoc/Boston.  Add to that, the A-26 was not credited with any official kills stemming from A2A engagements.  The only official kills recorded by the A-26 were all a result of the defensive guns, though there is a recorded probable kill on a Me 262 that was either in the process of taking off or landing.

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well, let me worry about the turning thing.  I have caught many pilots unaware with my a26.  heck even in lancs is funny trying to outturn fighters.


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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2015, 11:33:01 PM »
well, let me worry about the turning thing.  I have caught many pilots unaware with my a26.  heck even in lancs is funny trying to outturn fighters.


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I also misread your post as "Like an A-20 that can't turn very well."


The A-20 will fly circles around the A-26 in air-to-air combat.


There is a reason you use the A-20 for your style of fighting and not the Me410.  If you want to prep yourself for fighting in the A-26 you ought to stop using the A-20 and use the Me410 instead.  Me410 is the closest thing we have to the kind of performance the A-26 would have.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2015, 01:28:33 AM »
I also misread your post as "Like an A-20 that can't turn very well."


The A-20 will fly circles around the A-26 in air-to-air combat.


There is a reason you use the A-20 for your style of fighting and not the Me410.  If you want to prep yourself for fighting in the A-26 you ought to stop using the A-20 and use the Me410 instead.  Me410 is the closest thing we have to the kind of performance the A-26 would have.

never used the a20 or the 410.  have turned fight in the b26, lancs and b17's.

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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2015, 02:30:22 AM »
+1 for the beau
A26 not so much, It is an awesome bird though. I would rather see a B25J before it. theres a huge gap with the B25s its a medium bomber with good def. armament and I love her. the C is garbage and the H is the H i dont really care for it but its better defended than the C just cant lvl bomb from 8-14K with it unless your formed up with a C and you carpet something
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2016, 07:56:22 AM »
Let's talk about the comparison of A-20 to A-26. (Wikipedia links will be posted as well) I fail to see how these two are in the same ballpark, look at the bomb loads. As far as the "Next" plane goes, I agree the Beaufighter is a glaring gap. Also, the B-25j needs to be put in ASAP. However,  there are some points you are overlooking. Maybe my simple logic will help you? We have the A-20 Havoc, great plane, but A-26 is at least 6 better, see 26-20=6. Okay I am kidding, but seriously other planes like the 410, 152, 163, 190-D9, and K4, how many of those were even produced? The Dora and K4 started production around the time the A-26 entered service. The planes are in same time/theatre, thus the too late in the war argument is moot. The 410 is revolutionary technologically with it's pilot ergonomics, remote fired defensive guns and modular weapons systems. In practice though it was a total flop for Germany, they canned it for more 109s, after a little over 1 year run. The 152 and 163 both saw negligible service, and both types had recorded combat kills, but we're not game changers. The A26 is a potential game changer, and that scares people.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2016, 08:54:29 AM »
Hmmmmm ...... replies with a nine month gestation period.

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« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2016, 02:51:16 PM »
A-26 isn't really a game changer.  Just a heavy attack plane that would likely have a light perk cost to it.  Don't think anybody is afraid of it though.

If I recall correctly, about 700 Fw190D-9s were made and about 1500 Bf109K-4s.

Remember, the A-26 was rejected for service in the pacific due to the inability of the pilot to see over the engines on either side.  Made low level work too dangerous.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2016, 03:27:25 PM »
Then how did the beaufighter do it?
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2016, 04:34:52 PM »


Remember, the A-26 was rejected for service in the pacific due to the inability of the pilot to see over the engines on either side.  Made low level work too dangerous.

And quite frankly, the 5th AF didn't really need it in the PTO.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2016, 05:39:42 PM »
Then how did the beaufighter do it?
Pilot can see over the engines in the Beau.  Look at Guppy's artwork at the top of the page.

The engines of the A-26 are too high to have any view over and made formations on low level ops extremely unsafe.

And as Ack-Ack says, it wasn't really needed.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2016, 02:55:46 AM »
Then how did the beaufighter do it?
Beau has a low wing, vs the A26 middle wing. It does not seem too bad for the A26 from the 3rd person POV pictures but it must have been significant enough when looking from the cockpit. Over the nose the Beau has a significant advantage with its short nose and high sitting position vs. the huge broad nose of the A26.
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Re: A-26 Invader aka B-26 Invader
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