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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rich46yo on July 08, 2012, 08:40:12 AM
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I think they should limit the game to two countries. Having in effect two different fronts to fight on, with three countries fighting, is making this game go unbelievable stale and boring. When it had the numbers, the arenas, and less GV'ers, it wasnt as much a problem. But now? Now you can have 350 players on and possibly not one decent dar bar on your side. So your then stuck playing the very boring GV game. Otherwise know as "dodge the camping Tiger lobbing from 2,000 meters away".
There should be only one fighting front and two sides. Who knows? There might even be better air combat instead of the "pick or be picked" choices of the game now.
Seriously this game is becoming a big bore. I find myself signing on for a few sorties and then leaving. There have been just to few meaningful game play changes or updates. Im just hanging around to see the 410 and new Stuka and who knows when they are coming out.
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Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.
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Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.
Agreed. This has been brought up before many times. It is extremely unlikely this will happen.
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Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.
Dont see why. ENY would still be in place and many like perked rides.
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You already have a two country war
TRY THE AVA
DHawk
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Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.
Why?
I could posit that three sides exacerbates hording; whichever side has fewest numbers, by chance, gets attacked by both of the other sides, immediately doubling the numbers imbalance. What statistical law can you cite to support two sides being more imbalanced?
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Why?
I could posit that three sides exacerbates hording; whichever side has fewest numbers, by chance, gets attacked by both of the other sides, immediately doubling the numbers imbalance. What statistical law can you cite to support two sides being more imbalanced?
I don't know why, but it does. HiTech has tried two, three and four sides. He says that three works best, so...
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I see it like this.
Imagine a 400person game.
If side 1 has 250-300 and side 2 has 100-150 thats WAY unbalanced. in a 2/1 - 3/1 odds.
In a 3way game, is side 1 has 200 side 2 has 150 and side 3 has 50, well the odds are S1-S2 almost 1/1, S1-S3 4/1 and S2-S3 3/1.
While its not fair for side 3 if side 3 and 2 pin on side 1 the odds jump to 1/1 with side 2 possibly being weakend if side 3 has better pilots, side 3 may still defy the end result 3/1 odds.
3 way is the way to go.
:salute
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Dont see why. ENY would still be in place and many like perked rides.
Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.
That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.
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Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.
ENY is meant to restrict plane types and in that role, it works. 100 I-16s v 30 La-7s is better than 100 51Ds or F4U-4s, either way low side is boned though :lol.
That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.
Are you saying that the ENY on these a/c is too high?
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Actually, if the skill levels of the La-7s and I-16s are parable I think it would be a turkey shoot for the La-7s.
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Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.
That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.
There is nothing wrong with the P-38J's ENY value.
ack-ack
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There is nothing wrong with the P-38J's ENY value.
ack-ack
I agree 90% of the people that fly them are easy kills and only flown due to high eny.
semp
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There is already imbalance with 3 sides. Often with numbers but also often with combat. Ive been on many times and seen one front very active and one front kinda dead. Sure you can switch sides but then you have the 24 hour rule and cant switch back till the next day.
A large side imbalance is fine with me as long as 262s, 29s, Mossie bombers, U-4s, and Tiger-lls, are cheap.
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Hey Rich....good to see ya sir :aok :salute
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There is nothing wrong with the P-38J's ENY value.
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You miss my point. Its a decent plane, with average or above average preformance in most areas, with nothing fundamentally wrong with it, and is still available at relatively high ENY limits. IIRC, its also got the biggest load-carrying capacity of any fighter above ENY 15.
So point is that its decent, not a slouch in any real area, and that its ENY 20. So what if 99.9% of the people in it won't be able to get the full potential out of it, they don't need to. They only need to be passable in it if they have a 3:1 or greater numbers advantage.
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You miss my point. Its a decent plane, with average or above average preformance in most areas, with nothing fundamentally wrong with it, and is still available at relatively high ENY limits. IIRC, its also got the biggest load-carrying capacity of any fighter above ENY 15.
What is the ENY of the P-47D-40? Two 1000lb bombs, one 500lb bomb, ten 5" HVAR rockets compared to the P-38J's two 1000lb bomb and six 4.5" rockets.
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So it took you 5 years to learn the game and become a stick. And now you are blaming the game becasue you are bored and you don't like this game's GV action as a side issue. So your answer is to tip the gaming board onto the floor regardless of the consiquences.
Just means your self reward via brain produced dopamine is not giving you the same fix you got during your learning curve a few years back. So you are angry, unfufilled and burnt out on the game as a result of not getting the same emotional bang for your buck every night.
Obviously you don't subscribe to the idea of setting higher goals and tougher challenges for yourself in the game but, prefer for $14.95 a month, that Hitech change the game to entertain you and maintain your dopamine self reward requirment in pace with your growing tollerance to your current self production levels.
The brain rewards itself for learning new things and experiences by producing dopamine. Games like this at first cause a great deal of learning excitement and self reward. As you become more competant at the game you have to push harder to enjoy the same sensations and amout of self reward. Eventualy a point is reached that many call bordom or burnt out. Just means you have reached your limit for self reward following your current regime of activity trying to achive fun in the game. That well is dry and you need to change things up.
This boredom or burn out point is often demonstrated by players becoming increasingly angry at the game, blaming it for their lack of fun, insulting the developers by describing the game to other customers as broken, and demanding the developers radicly change the game or they will quit.
Take a break and let your body finish withdrawing due to your current burn out. Do something else for awhile. Now that you have become a stick in the game. It will never be like it was when you were learning how to become a stick. Being top of the food chain in this game is not easy and requires more imagination being there to entertaine and reward yourself than players still in the learning curve.
The players hanging out in those hoards and GV camps realy are having fun. The only thing that's changed is your personal perception of what constitutes fun for you 5 years later in this game.
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I think they should limit the game to two countries. Having in effect two different fronts to fight on, with three countries fighting, is making this game go unbelievable stale and boring. When it had the numbers, the arenas, and less GV'ers, it wasnt as much a problem. But now? Now you can have 350 players on and possibly not one decent dar bar on your side. So your then stuck playing the very boring GV game. Otherwise know as "dodge the camping Tiger lobbing from 2,000 meters away".
There should be only one fighting front and two sides. Who knows? There might even be better air combat instead of the "pick or be picked" choices of the game now.
Seriously this game is becoming a big bore. I find myself signing on for a few sorties and then leaving. There have been just to few meaningful game play changes or updates. Im just hanging around to see the 410 and new Stuka and who knows when they are coming out.
if there was two countries you would still have a very large front to split all 350 airplanes on. it wont make a difference for those who always claim that they cant "find decent fights".
semp
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You already have a two country war
TRY THE AVA
DHawk
The coding isn't set up to allow an option for two country game play. That's one of the reasons we have to rig the AvA rather than have the automatic dynamics that the rest of the arenas have.
+1 for at least having the option.
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You miss my point. Its a decent plane, with average or above average preformance in most areas, with nothing fundamentally wrong with it, and is still available at relatively high ENY limits. IIRC, its also got the biggest load-carrying capacity of any fighter above ENY 15.
So point is that its decent, not a slouch in any real area, and that its ENY 20. So what if 99.9% of the people in it won't be able to get the full potential out of it, they don't need to. They only need to be passable in it if they have a 3:1 or greater numbers advantage.
You still fail to show what the problem is with the ENY of a mid-war plane like the P-38J.
ack-ack
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Actually, if the skill levels of the La-7s and I-16s are parable I think it would be a turkey shoot for the La-7s.
Agreed! There would be aluminium all over the virtual countryside and 90% of it would be I-16s.
I agree with most that the hording wouldn't stop. But ENY might actaully might mean something. As it stands now, it's usually two sides beating up on the other and I don't think it has much do do with anything other than which side of a particular map you happen to be on. Some maps it's always the same side that gets pounded, uteris south country is a good example.
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The MAs could be 2 sided Axis vs Allies for a month. There are good maps to try that. At least they would have icons. No icons killed Axis versus Allied Arena (at least for me and my old machine). But I am sure that it could tak AH to a whole new level. At least for a while.
Cheers,
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The MAs could be 2 sided Axis vs Allies for a month.
You mean a totally lopsided, unbalanced game?
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We have the AVA arena, why does the Main arena need to be changed to AVA?
If more people flew in the AVA it would become popular again, I love the fact the AVA is a little more skillful, being icons are shortened and certain plane sets.
Main Arena is just fine so is the AVA arena - I just wish AVA could must 30-40 like the old days without certain people running everyone off.
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What is the ENY of the P-47D-40? Two 1000lb bombs, one 500lb bomb, ten 5" HVAR rockets compared to the P-38J's two 1000lb bomb and six 4.5" rockets.
Oh, right; forgot about the P-47D40. The D25, too, come to that. Thanks for pointing that out Karnak.
You still fail to show what the problem is with the ENY of a mid-war plane like the P-38J.
ack-ack
Good fighter, and a good attacker at ENY 20, when the numbers to limit upto ENY 20 can have a rather large impact on the outcome of battles.
Really at ENY 20, when on the attack, most of what you're missing over ENY 5 is about 20mph, maybe 300lbs worth of ordnance on your fighter-bombers, and a little bit of endurance time.
I'm not saying that, from a use-based standpoint the ENY is wrong, but from a preformance-based standpoint, it could use a bit of adjustment.
And hell, the K4 is ENY 20. As long as we have that, the side with the numbers advantage isn't going to be wanting for preformance.
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Good fighter, and a good attacker at ENY 20, when the numbers to limit upto ENY 20 can have a rather large impact on the outcome of battles.
Really at ENY 20, when on the attack, most of what you're missing over ENY 5 is about 20mph, maybe 300lbs worth of ordnance on your fighter-bombers, and a little bit of endurance time.
I'm not saying that, from a use-based standpoint the ENY is wrong, but from a preformance-based standpoint, it could use a bit of adjustment.
Again you fail to show how it needs to be adjusted. It's a solid mid-war aircraft and rather on the medium side when it's used as an attack platform. Its major feature of being an attacking plane is that its a stable gun platform and on the ordnance lugging side it's rather on the medium side of things. Sure, it can carry 2x 1,000 pound bombs but the rockets aren't that good and there is a noticable negative impact on flight performance when carrying rockets. Most of your dedicated and experienced P-38J and G pilots in this game only lug bombs and will not take rockets because of the negative hit and if rockets are needed will take the L instead.
So does the P-38J need an adjustment? Only those that don't know what they are talking about think it does.
ack-ack
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Again you fail to show how it needs to be adjusted. It's a solid mid-war aircraft and rather on the medium side when it's used as an attack platform. Its major feature of being an attacking plane is that its a stable gun platform and on the ordnance lugging side it's rather on the medium side of things. Sure, it can carry 2x 1,000 pound bombs but the rockets aren't that good and there is a noticable negative impact on flight performance when carrying rockets. Most of your dedicated and experienced P-38J and G pilots in this game only lug bombs and will not take rockets because of the negative hit and if rockets are needed will take the L instead.
So does the P-38J need an adjustment? Only those that don't know what they are talking about think it does.
ack-ack
At ENY 20, your choices for 2000+ lbs of ordnance on a fighter platform are the P-47D40, P-47D25, and the P-38.
P-47's generally have a tough time of things when they try and mix it up too much in a fight. Theres some good sticks out there than can really work some magic in a Jug, but thats not the general population.
When talking limited experience with either aircraft, the P-38 seems to be better in the fighter role than the P-47. Based purely on watching inexperienced sticks flounder around, some 9 months ago.
And to be frank, you don't need an ultra-stable firing platform when you're strafing down buildings (big targets), or even guns (a couple of hits kills them). I mean if you're constantly having to mash down on the rudder first one direction, then the other, yeah, thats not going to be the best attacker, even if it carrys 4 50mm's with 200rounds a piece. But thats not the case here.
And really, I wasn't saying that those planes I listed needed to be adjusted in their ENY. I was just saying that, since they are available at high ENY, you can't count on the enemy having a significant disadvantage in aircraft up untill ENY 25, and then thats a limit on the ordnance-carrying capacity, not the aircraft's capability as a fighter.
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No icons killed Axis versus Allied Arena (at least for me and my old machine).
Cheers,
Tell ya what. Gather up about a dozen pilots, tell us what night you want to come in. We'll sound the bugle and muster up some opponents for you and give you the icon settings or any other settings you want.
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You mean a totally lopsided, unbalanced game?
Already is :rock
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Yes, you would have wild numbers swings but I've seen a country with only two bases left battle back to take the map in epic and memorable battles on other sims.
You could change the side switch to 1 hour and implement much more harsh ENY penalty for numbers inbalance.
The "win the war" threshold might have to be changed to require nearly all of an opponent's fields taken if you only have two sides.
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Tell ya what. Gather up about a dozen pilots, tell us what night you want to come in. We'll sound the bugle and muster up some opponents for you and give you the icon settings or any other settings you want.
Hi Jimson!
Thank you, mate! But no, thank you... Honestly, why do that just because of one person not having adequate platform? If that would be a community decision I would be the first to return... I'm very into GV's also, nowadays... It's too hard to get a decent fight in any arena... So, I'm flying less and less every month and see myself eager to take a tank just to get killed by a nice happy spawn-camper or by eager bomb****ettes... Will give it a shot again, one of these days, the PTO is not one of my favorites, too... :(
Cheers,
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You mean a totally lopsided, unbalanced game?
Hi Lusche!
Maybe, yes... Why do you say that?
Cheers,
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Hi Lusche!
Maybe, yes... Why do you say that?
Cheers,
The current MA setup is balanced - all countries have the same equipment.
Take a look at what the players are actually flying in the MA, how the usage is axis vs allied planes and
Take another look at what the planeset would look like in comparison in a MA axis vs allies setup. Particularly in terms of CV planes or bombers.