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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ozrocker on July 13, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
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Massive slide. Thank God it wasn't in a populated region. I saw a report that said the average temperatures on
Earth rose 6 degrees since 2006. This year, at least on East Coast, warmest 1st 6 months on record.
I'll be moving to higher terrain soon.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/13/12722446-5-mile-long-landslide-in-alaska-national-park-warming-eyed-as-possible-culprit?lite
Here's something else to look at. Lots of wild events this year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/x-class-solar-flare-sunspot_n_1670668.html?ir=Science
:cheers: Oz
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You do realize all the information in that landslide article was speculative? It can also be speculated that this event was a normal geologic event.
The Sun spot activity was not a surprise. The Sun is in its peak activity cycle. Perfectly normal.
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We have problem with flooding in the UK which is claimed to due to golbal warming.
The problem is not in fact climate but building regulations were change in the UK 20 years ago allowing housing to be built on known flood areas.
In the past these areas flooded but due to no one living there was not highlighted.
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Yes I realize it, but it did however create a rather large shockwave.
Largest Solar Flare of scale.
Was just noting that there are a lot of events happening.
We are getting ready for another heat wave to last a week or more
here on East Coast.
:cheers: Oz
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The CME associated with this flare is going to hit the Earth around 5;17 AM,(ET) tomorrow morning; possible northern lights visible at lower latitude.
"REVISED FORECAST: The CME launched toward Earth by yesterday's X-flare is moving faster than originally thought. Analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab have revised their forecast accordingly, advancing the cloud's expected arrival time to 09:17 UT (5:17 am EDT) on Saturday, July 14th. Weekend auroras are likely."
more here;http://www.spaceweather.com/
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And somehow, those p38s are buried deeper every time they check.
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We have problem with flooding in the UK which is claimed to due to golbal warming.
by who? sources please :)
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by who? sources please :)
Oh RT, don't you know it is all the rage! Every time mother Earth burps it is due to global climate change. I heard it is taking longer for BBQ grills to heat up due to global climate change! Beer is not as cold as it used to be,..you got it,..global climate change. People are getting more obese,....global climate change. Not as regular as you used to be? Global climate change. Losing your hair? Global climate change.
And the beat goes on......
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yeah I just wanted to make it clear that this kind of nonsense does not come from science.
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Oh RT, don't you know it is all the rage! Every time mother Earth burps it is due to global climate change. I heard it is taking longer for BBQ grills to heat up due to global climate change! Beer is not as cold as it used to be,..you got it,..global climate change. People are getting more obese,....global climate change. Not as regular as you used to be? Global climate change. Losing your hair? Global climate change.
And the beat goes on......
Drought like the world has never seen before.... Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year... Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle :rofl
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Drought like the world has never seen before....
Says who, modern scientists?
Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year...
Says who, modern scientists?
Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle
Stop being so vain sunfan. The world has been around a lot longer than most people realize, and yes, this has all happened before.
Is the climate changing? Perhaps it is.
Is the sky falling? Nope.
:salute
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never seen before? really?
record temps.. and how far back do our records go? how long has the earth been around?
tornado's from hell.....
(http://www.epagini.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/al-gore-pic.jpg)
"You have learned well my son. Go forth, spread the knowledge."
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You do realize all the information in that landslide article was speculative? It can also be speculated that this event was a normal geologic event.
The Sun spot activity was not a surprise. The Sun is in its peak activity cycle. Perfectly normal.
This is msnbc we are talking about. What did you expect factual journalism?
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never seen before? really?
record temps.. and how far back do our records go? how long has the earth been around?
tornado's from hell.....
(http://www.epagini.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/al-gore-pic.jpg)
"You have learned well my son. Go forth, spread the knowledge."
It should be simple, leave the earth a better place than you found it. We've lost that somewhere in our culture and now were starting to pay the price for it. The fact that people in the year 2012 have a hard time believing that burning trillions of tons of fossil fuels into the atmosphere might not be the smartest idea for the well being of this planet leaves little hope for ever fixing the problem.
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Drought like the world has never seen before.... Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year... Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle :rofl
What is happening has happened before. It happened before man was around. Earth goes through periods of adjustment. The eco system of this planet is constantly changing. Sometimes the changes require Earth to perform a a hard reset and then it goes back to being all nice and polite again. One day it will not make it back and everything will be dead. It is a planetary life cycle.
There is absolutely nothing man can do to stop it. Can we slow it down? Very doubtful. To have an impact you have to have a thorough understanding of everything that makes up the system involved and no one on Earth has attained that, yet. Without that complete understanding it is just as reasonable to assume anything we do can make it worse than it was before.
It is easy to be an alarmist and rant about how everything is going into the pooper. However, that really does not fix anything.
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It is not that change does not happen but the rate at which the change occurs.
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It is not that change does not happen but the rate at which the change occurs.
When any change occurs, there is always a pace at which it occurs. Fast or slow, seems rather irrelevant. Not sure what context you are addressing, if any.
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What is happening has happened before. It happened before man was around. Earth goes through periods of adjustment. The eco system of this planet is constantly changing. Sometimes the changes require Earth to perform a a hard reset and then it goes back to being all nice and polite again. One day it will not make it back and everything will be dead. It is a planetary life cycle.
There is absolutely nothing man can do to stop it. Can we slow it down? Very doubtful. To have an impact you have to have a thorough understanding of everything that makes up the system involved and no one on Earth has attained that, yet. Without that complete understanding it is just as reasonable to assume anything we do can make it worse than it was before.
It is easy to be an alarmist and rant about how everything is going into the pooper. However, that really does not fix anything.
You're right, climate change has taken place in the past, but it doesn't happen over the span of 100 years. Only 3 things matter when talking about global warming; The sun, greenhouse gas, and the earths reflectivity. Those are the only 3 things that can alter the earths temperature. When one or more of these factors gets thrown out of balance the temperature on the earth changes. It's not hard to understand.
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We have problem with flooding in the UK which is claimed to due to golbal warming.
The problem is not in fact climate but building regulations were change in the UK 20 years ago allowing housing to be built on known flood areas.
In the past these areas flooded but due to no one living there was not highlighted.
didn't you guys have massive flooding about 6 years or so ago? i seem to recall talking to an online frined on yahell voice who was worried about her daughter due to that.
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You're right, climate change has taken place in the past, but it doesn't happen over the span of 100 years...
The Medieval Warm Period lasted from about CE 950 to 1250. It warmed up for about 100 years and then cooled down the last 100. It was followed by the Little Ice Age from about CE 1350 to 1850 with anecdotal evidence of expanding glaciers worldwide. All without human industry of any significance I might add...
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Yes I realize it, but it did however create a rather large shockwave.
Largest Solar Flare of scale.
Was just noting that there are a lot of events happening.
We are getting ready for another heat wave to last a week or more
here on East Coast.
:cheers: Oz
everything they're calling heatwaves right now, i seem to remember dealing with back when i was a teen. no heat warnings back then.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/08/why-the-u-s-east-coast-heatwave-was-not-unusual-nor-the-number-of-record-temperatures-unprecedented/
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The Medieval Warm Period lasted from about CE 950 to 1250. It warmed up for about 100 years and then cooled down the last 100. It was followed by the Little Ice Age from about CE 1350 to 1850 with anecdotal evidence of expanding glaciers worldwide. All without human industry of any significance I might add...
The Medieval Warm Period only effected Europe, and was not a global phenomena.
The little Ice Age was caused by volcanoes.
Try again.
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I agree with you, the Earth does continually cycle. I only meant to put these in with
other things going on this year, ie Arizona fires, Mass flooding in Russia,China, Great Britain, elsewhere.
People concerned about 2nd Dustbowl.
Not your typical year.
:cheers: Oz
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The Medieval Warm Period only effected Europe, and was not a global phenomena.
The little Ice Age was caused by volcanoes.
Try again.
No one knows for sure if the MWP was global or not (pretty hard to believe that only Europe was affected by a heat wave for 300 years), and what caused the Little Ice Age is of no concern; the fact remains that the climate can change noticeably in the span of a hundred years (or less) from natural causes.
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Wonder what effect the Deccan traps or the Siberian traps had on the climate? La Garita would have created a mess. Forest fires before we fought them?
Saw somewhere that the last big CME actually sent out a gamma pulse. The extreme violence and power of our rock and the universe makes me laugh at all the folks on this planet that think they are powerful.
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Most temperature records are from 19th or early 20th century. Who caused the warming back then? Cows.
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No one knows for sure if the MWP was global or not (pretty hard to believe that only Europe was affected by a heat wave for 300 years), and what caused the Little Ice Age is of no concern; the fact remains that the climate DOES change noticeably in the span of a hundred years (or less) from natural causes.
hey....seeing as i'm such a nice guy, i fixed that for ya. :aok
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Massive slide. Thank God it wasn't in a populated region. I saw a report that said the average temperatures on
Earth rose 6 degrees since 2006. This year, at least on East Coast, warmest 1st 6 months on record.
I'll be moving to higher terrain soon.
And here in Anchorage we've had the coldest July on record.
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Greenland was once covered in lush forrests: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070705153019 (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070705153019)
The earth is believed to be in a long period of gradual cooling based on predictable variations in earth's orbit around the sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#Recent_past
Recent winters have been unusually cold across the globe... Lots of articles on the web about this, but here is one: http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/coldest-winter-in-400-years-seen-across-the-globe/
Some areas / time periods on earth will be warmer than normal also, ex. current US climate, the last few months.
That's how I look it. Normal variations in climate, arguments both ways. We'll have another ice age at some point...
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Yeah, but then there's this...
http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/climate.php?climstn=PAFC&climmo=7&climyr=2012
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Drought like the world has never seen before.... Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year... Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle :rofl
Littlle thing callled the dust bowl back a few years (1930s).... much worse. Read up on it.
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The sun is extremely powerful (estimated 100 billion hydrogen bombs going off every second)... think about that number relative to earth. Not 100, or 100 million, but 100,000,000,000 one megaton bombs... every second of every day.
... and volatile (flares, CME's, radiation, sunspot cycles, etc). Small changes in that huge output over periods of time will affect earth's climate. Our orbit also varying over time. Virtually all the heat arriving to earth's atmosphere comes from the sun.
Look at ice ages, subsequent global warmings, more ice ages, re-warmings, etc...
Will global temperatures warm and cool over time, sure... over short and long periods of time. Geological record proves it. We'll heat up again and cool down again... and again... and again.
Consider also that every day we heat up and cool down, every month, every year, etc... Those changes are all natural and occur over all time periods. Many dozens of degrees cooling and heating changes constantly.
All of it naturally occurring for hundreds of millions of years.
Anyways, that's how I look at it. More than nuff said (by me). :bolt:
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Littlle thing callled the dust bowl back a few years (1930s).... much worse. Read up on it.
Was the dust bowl a natural cycle? :lol
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Was the dust bowl a natural cycle? :lol
Not at all, but I assume you already know that.
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We have problem with flooding in the UK which is claimed to due to golbal warming.
The problem is not in fact climate but building regulations were change in the UK 20 years ago allowing housing to be built on known flood areas.
In the past these areas flooded but due to no one living there was not highlighted.
:rofl
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Drought like the world has never seen before.... Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year... Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle :rofl
:bhead
have you guy seen my new book? it explains all that is going on. the world is ending. I can save you. Hurry! Educate yourselves with my knowledge. Save The world!
19.95 +S&H
p.s. the faster you save the world the sooner i can get a new driveway. :aok
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my dar bar isnt workin correctly ..Global climate change???
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my dar bar isnt workin correctly ..Global climate change???
:rofl :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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Severe geomagnetic storm in progress ;the CME from thursday solar flare arived overnight;
http://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en
http://www.solarham.net/
(http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Kp.gif)
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Dust bowl was created my man.... due to lack of knowledge about the subject of making the midwest a massive farm land.....
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never seen before? really?
record temps.. and how far back do our records go? how long has the earth been around?
tornado's from hell.....
(http://www.epagini.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/al-gore-pic.jpg)
"You have learned well my son. Go forth, spread the knowledge."
My dads childhood neighbor invented more Internets then that bozo. All from an Oklahoman up-bringing. http://www.heidengroup.com/heidiheiden.html He was also a West Point General.
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All this entire subject makes me think is that we should all be a bit more friendly to each other because we are nothing.
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Dust bowl was created my man.... due to lack of knowledge about the subject of making the midwest a massive farm land.....
What percentage of the earth's surface do you suppose the continental US is?
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All this entire subject makes me think is that we should all be a bit more friendly to each other because we are nothing.
Relative to the universe, true. Relative to each other, not true. Relative to a bacteria or a blade of grass we are hugely complex and gifted. Relative to our own new born child we are everything. :)
Relativity needs to be considered. :old:
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What percentage of the earth's surface do you suppose the continental US is?
this has to do withe dust bowl how...?
at almost 19 years old I have done enough research for fun to have my own views that this "global warming" scare is real, but not solely man made. If it was soely man made we there would not have been fires in prehistoric times, or droughts, or ice ages. correct? Temperatures natrurally fluctuate, and there is no stopping it.
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this has to do withe dust bowl how...?
at almost 19 years old I have done enough research for fun to have my own views that this "global warming" scare is real, but not solely man made. If it was soely man made we there would not have been fires in prehistoric times, or droughts, or ice ages. correct? Temperatures natrurally fluctuate, and there is no stopping it.
Dust bowl was man and nature...... no rain, lots of wind.......... nothing but dust.
Mother nature wins out in the end.
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this has to do withe dust bowl how...?
at almost 19 years old I have done enough research for fun to have my own views that this "global warming" scare is real, but not solely man made. If it was soely man made we there would not have been fires in prehistoric times, or droughts, or ice ages. correct? Temperatures natrurally fluctuate, and there is no stopping it.
The Dust Bowl is anecdotal evidence that man can alter and affect local weather events, much like urban heat sinks. The entire continental US makes up about two percent of the earth's surface.
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Man Made Global Warming is nothing but a religion based upon the junk science of consensus. Why do i call it junk science? Because science moves forward on fact, not consensus. To understand it further and how supposedly educated people could actually come up with theories that are not supported by data and still called fact, look at where the money comes from. If you look deep enough you will see that those that are screaming the loudest are the ones that are going to profit the most if carbon trading were to occur.
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Can some explain to me how the whole "carbon credit" thing works? How do you apply a value to a liability? Doesn't it seem that the people who came up with this scheme have no idea how a free market works?
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Man Made Global Warming is nothing but a religion based upon the junk science of consensus. Why do i call it junk science? Because science moves forward on fact, not consensus. To understand it further and how supposedly educated people could actually come up with theories that are not supported by data and still called fact, look at where the money comes from. If you look deep enough you will see that those that are screaming the loudest are the ones that are going to profit the most if carbon trading were to occur.
But... but... but... he also won a noble peace prize. :old:
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Relative to the universe, true. Relative to each other, not true. Relative to a bacteria or a blade of grass we are hugely complex and gifted. Relative to our own new born child we are everything. :)
Relativity needs to be considered. :old:
True enough. I like to use the universe as the yard stick, it keeps me grateful in terms of expectation from life.
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Relative to the universe, true. Relative to each other, not true. Relative to a bacteria or a blade of grass we are hugely complex and gifted. Relative to our own new born child we are everything. :)
Relativity needs to be considered. :old:
henceforth, this shall be known as "Midways Theory of Relativity".
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Can some explain to me how the whole "carbon credit" thing works? How do you apply a value to a liability? Doesn't it seem that the people who came up with this scheme have no idea how a free market works?
it is a tax.
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All this entire subject makes me think is that we should all be a bit more friendly to each other because we are nothing.
Speak for yourself. I'm the world's best fighter pilot.
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it is a tax.
Careful. Next year there may be a law introduced that will make you pay a tax...er... penalty, if you refer to a penalty as a tax. It will be a rider on the bill mandating purchase of taxpayer subsidized charmin toilet paper, non-compliance being taxed...er...penalized via non-charmin-subscriber fee assessed with your tax return.
And carbon credits are neither a penalty or a tax. It is a scam designed to take money from some people and send it to other people, many of whom are in the business of doing nothing but selling carbon credits. It has nothing to do with the environment or taxes.
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Speak for yourself. I'm the world's best fighter pilot.
:D
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Global warming is simple and not hard to understand at all. Only three things can effect the climate on a global scale, the sun, the earths reflectivity, and greenhouse gas. Global climate change happens when one of these three things changes. What's changed in the last 100 or so years that could alter the earths climate? See how easy it is?
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Global warming is simple and not hard to understand at all. Only three things can effect the climate on a global scale, the sun, the earths reflectivity, and greenhouse gas. Global climate change happens when one of these three things changes. What's changed in the last 100 or so years that could alter the earths climate? See how easy it is?
Global cooling is simple too. :)
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Global cooling is simple too. :)
Global warming is a bad name for it, should have used climate change.
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Global warming is a bad name for it, should have used climate change.
:salute :rock :bolt:
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Global warming is simple and not hard to understand at all.
Fail.
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Fail.
how so?
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Fail.
Notmy fault u can't understand simple logic.
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Global warming is simple and not hard to understand at all. Only three things can effect the climate on a global scale, the sun, the earths reflectivity, and greenhouse gas. Global climate change happens when one of these three things changes. What's changed in the last 100 or so years that could alter the earths climate? See how easy it is?
Only three things?
How about Direct Heating?
Put your face under the hood of your car the next time the fan runs or go to the top of a high rise and stand in front of the heat exchangers.
Direct Heating is ignored by the people pushing "global warming" because they are stupid.
Even if Global Warming was proven without a doubt, the fact that they never address direct heating removes all credibility and point instead to an agenda.
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how so?
climate is very complex, so the models are very complex. If you think the answer is simple, you havent understood the problem.
what is Direct Heating? I'm not familiar with the term.
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climate is very complex, so the models are very complex. If you think the answer is simple, you havent understood the problem.
what is Direct Heating? I'm not familiar with the term.
When things are directly heated as opposed to indirectly heated. :P
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ok ... what is Direct Heating in the context of climate ... :rolleyes:
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the sun only heats objects. it does not heat the air. heat radiating off of the heated objects is what heats the air. kinda brings us back to the sun, eh?
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he cant mean that, every climate model includes the system's input and output of energy as the primary driver (obviously).
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the sun only heats objects. it does not heat the air. heat radiating off of the heated objects is what heats the air. kinda brings us back to the sun, eh?
Ummmmm, those molecules that make up the air are objects, the radiation from the sun strikes them and they warm up. Only in space is there nothing for the suns radiation to strike.
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Mud slides are common... what was different in this case was a camera crew filming when it happened.
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Only three things?
How about Direct Heating?
Put your face under the hood of your car the next time the fan runs or go to the top of a high rise and stand in front of the heat exchangers.
Direct Heating is ignored by the people pushing "global warming" because they are stupid.
Even if Global Warming was proven without a doubt, the fact that they never address direct heating removes all credibility and point instead to an agenda.
Yes. 3 things controll the global temp, you can't argue with that.
Are you trying to say the earth is getting hotter because of the heat radiating from car engines?
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Ummmmm, those molecules that make up the air are objects, the radiation from the sun strikes them and they warm up. Only in space is there nothing for the suns radiation to strike.
Atmospheric Heat Gains
Short-wave radiation from the sun...............11.9%
Heat to atmosphere from condensation............14.4%
Heat to atmosphere from convection/conduction... 4.4%
Long-wave radiation from earth..................69.4%
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If you really want a problem you cant solve I will give it to you. The earths magnetosphere is fading. Some time between the year 3000 and 3999 it will disappear. When that happens (actually before that happens) there will be zero protection from these solar maximums like we are experiencing today. So your great-great-great-great-greats... will be cooked.
Some scientists think the only way to solve the issue is to heat up the core. How they are going to do that is beyond me but its ironic that while one hand says global warming is killing the planet the other is saying that cooling of the core is killing us all.
To me its not anthropomorphic (man-made) but the natural decline and inevitable end. We are not causing global warming. The failing magnetosphere is allowing more solar radiation in. It will get worse and it doesnt matter what laws are passed or which gas is regulated.
As we sick puppies say "We're all gonna die!"
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Chalenge... Got any links to back that notion up? And.. You do realize that the earth stopped its warming "trend" about ten years ago, right?
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Its all over the scientific community. Just google it.
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So you made it all up. Great. Thanx.
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Forgotten how to use search huh?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/
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Was that so hard?
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Obviously it exceeds your skill level. :D
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anyone have any idea how deep the rest of those p38s in greenland are now?
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How much of the sun's total energy output is light?
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How much of the sun's total energy output is light?
Only the energy emitted during the day.. (duh)
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Wrong Skilless, .7 percent is light.
The rest would be mostly heat. ghi has probably watched the lasco c2 and c3 movies at the SOHO site. Amazing to see the energy flowing out of our star.
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Wrong Skilless, .7 percent is light.
The rest would be mostly heat. ghi has probably watched the lasco c2 and c3 movies at the SOHO site. Amazing to see the energy flowing out of our star.
wonder what that heat does to our little marble?
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Keeps it livable for now. Guess its a good thing there are no O class stars close by. Would give a whole new meaning to global warming. Come to think of it there are no planets discovered yet orbiting an O class. Could it be the >50,000K degree surface temps? Our star produces a coronal temp over a million degrees K. What would the corona temp of an O or B class?
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Chalenge mentioned earth core temperature which is rarely mentioned.
I have no clue on the magnetic issue but core cooling could also result in shrinkage which bunches up the plates and causes earthquakes.
Al Gore proposing more geothermal research doesn't make much sense because it contributes to warming of the atmosphere by taking heat from underground and releasing it above ground.
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In other words, nobody has a clue whats going on. The end
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There must be some mathematical formula showing the ex potential growth on the number of Chicken Little's developed on a yearly basis for various hickups on our planet.
I know it is somewhere....I tried Google. BTW read Bodhis' signature. No truer words spoken.
Science is based on fact......not a show of hands. Fact: Climate has changed since the earths inception.
Could very well be doing it now, always has.....and always will. Only thing that has changed is the inhabitants.
The latest inhabitants supposedly the most intelligent. That....is quickly becoming debatable.
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Fail.
Understanding Climate Change 101
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/causes.html (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/causes.html)
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i'm wondering if reading anything from the epa is even worth the time.............
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i'm wondering if reading anything from the epa is even worth the time.............
Understanding Climate Change 201
http://dels.nas.edu/Report/Americas-Climate-Choices/12781 (http://dels.nas.edu/Report/Americas-Climate-Choices/12781)
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this line almost had me......
Climate change is occurring, is very likely caused primarily by the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities, and poses significant risks for a range of human and natural systems.
the first portion is correct. the rest is not.
what is the most predominant greenhouse gas again?
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what is the most predominant greenhouse gas again?
Your Hot Air?
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CAP did you read all the EPA page and understand it?
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CAP did you read all the EPA page and understand it?
Of course not ...he didn't even get through the 1st line on the second page I posted.
Maybe he is a visual :lol
Understanding Climate Change Videos
http://dels.nas.edu/global/basc/ACC-Videos (http://dels.nas.edu/global/basc/ACC-Videos)
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Iceburg twice the size of Manhatton has broke off a glacier in Greenland :cry
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Iceburg twice the size of Manhatton has broke off a glacier in Greenland :cry
Pretty wild,
Look how far up the glacier it was :uhoh
http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/environmental-issues/iceberg-twice-the-size-of-manhattan-greenland-3143223/ (http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/environmental-issues/iceberg-twice-the-size-of-manhattan-greenland-3143223/)
Edit : Here's a better picture. Looks like it wont be that big for long.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/07/18/1226428/678978-greenland-environment-glacier.jpg)
(http://c1planetsavecom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2012/07/20120718-011112.jpg)
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Be careful with the EPA. I have a good friend that works there and he has said they are always scrambling around looking for ways to justify their budget.
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Guys guys guys. Clearly global warming is causing more solar flares. You have it backwards!
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Guys guys guys. Clearly global warming is causing more solar flares. You have it backwards!
:aok
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Be careful with the EPA. I have a good friend that works there and he has said they are always scrambling around looking for ways to justify their budget.
Spent a year working for the government many years ago... think all the departments do that. :frown:
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Of course not ...he didn't even get through the 1st line on the second page I posted.
Maybe he is a visual :lol
Understanding Climate Change Videos
http://dels.nas.edu/global/basc/ACC-Videos (http://dels.nas.edu/global/basc/ACC-Videos)
I think he's bored with those thatmake money off fear mongering. I more often prefer sitting back and laughing at the little pathetic beasts.
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I think he's bored with those thatmake money off fear mongering. I more often prefer sitting back and laughing at the little pathetic beasts.
So the National Academy of Science are fear mongers?
I laugh at people with little, or in this case, no facts to support their position.
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Your Hot Air?
steeeeeeeRIKE 1
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Be careful with the EPA. I have a good friend that works there and he has said they are always scrambling around looking for ways to justify their budget.
AND and that is why i didn't even read their page. maybe i will later tonight.
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AND and that is why i didn't even read their page. maybe i will later tonight.
I get the feeling from my friend and it is only a feeling, they would not actually lie, but they might take things out of context in order to prove they are a needed entity. It is rather unfortunate.
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I get the feeling from my friend and it is only a feeling, they would not actually lie, but they might take things out of context in order to prove they are a needed entity. It is rather unfortunate.
I'VE thought that for a loooonnngggg time.
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they have done good things in the past. they had a time and a place. both of those are gone, and unfortunately, so should they be.
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Someone once told me that on their current trajectory, the EPA will make the IRS look like the boy scouts within twenty years.
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Someone once told me that on their current trajectory, the EPA will make the IRS look like the boy scouts within twenty years.
i think they'll do it inside of 10
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There must be some mathematical formula showing the ex potential growth on the number of Chicken Little's developed on a yearly basis for various hickups on our planet.
I know it is somewhere....I tried Google. BTW read Bodhis' signature. No truer words spoken.
Science is based on fact......not a show of hands. Fact: Climate has changed since the earths inception.
Could very well be doing it now, always has.....and always will. Only thing that has changed is the inhabitants.
The latest inhabitants supposedly the most intelligent. That....is quickly becoming debatable.
Well stated!
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i think they'll do it inside of 10
Well he said it about ten years ago....
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Drought like the world has never seen before.... Record temperatures across the globe for a second straight year... Tornado outbreaks from hell... Must be a natural weather cycle :rofl
The farming techniques that caused the dustbowl didn't cause the drought, so the 1930's still stands at the worst drought in US history.
Nothing new about tornado super outbreaks, except the ones from the past were probably underrated compared to 2011, since we now have better technology and less unoccupied space leading us to be aware of more of them than we used to be.
Record temps I cannot dispute except that on a local level, we haven't even been close to the record high temp of 117 set over 20 years ago, and we tied some record low temps last year.
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If you study the history of man and I mean the history of perhaps the last 3.5 million years you will notice that man in all his changes has survived all climate changes. We have specialties that allow us to live in the arctic and the saharan regions. Probably we should adapt to building structures to live within the sea but even if we dont we will likely find a way to survive even the loss of a magnetosphere.
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Climate change even when natural has a trigger. The earth doesn't wake up one day with a wild hair up it's arse and decide to change the game. The Milankovitch cycles ain't due for another 29,000 years, no super volcanoes, or large tectonic shifts recently. However we are pumping ungodly amounts of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere.
It's not even complex science that everybody tries to make it out. The global climate is easy to model when only three basic factors are involved. Anyone who is a sceptic on man made climate change needs to take a step back and look at what really dictates the earths temperature.
For the record I know perfectly well that we're never getting off fossil fuels. They will be gone someday possibly in my lifetime, and it might be a good idea to advance Americas natural energy potential. If we did come up with a way to provide cheap clean energy it would be a game changer for the whole planet. Imagine how much you're quality of life would go up if you never had to pay a electric bill again. I don't get why anyone would resist the advancement of the human race.
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Imagine how much you're quality of life would go up if you never had to pay a electric bill again. I don't get why anyone would resist the advancement of the human race.
It's because there isn't a viable alternative yet and too many people are using the issue to try to facilitate what amounts to a huge tax increase.
I'm all for alternative energy, but not willing to suffer economic ruin for this nation to force us on to something that doesn't yet exist.
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It's because there isn't a viable alternative yet and too many people are using the issue to try to facilitate what amounts to a huge tax increase.
I'm all for alternative energy, but not willing to suffer economic ruin for this nation to force us on to something that doesn't yet exist.
What about when we run out of peak oil in 10 years and gas prices triple? How would the economy respond to that?
We will need an alternative source if energy if we want to remain a superpower.
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What about when we run out of peak oil in 10 years and gas prices triple? How would the economy respond to that?
We will need an alternative source if energy if we want to remain a superpower.
Some guy named Carter said the same thing more than 10 years ago.
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What about when we run out of peak oil in 10 years and gas prices triple? How would the economy respond to that?
We will need an alternative source if energy if we want to remain a superpower.
Like many Malthusian beliefs, peak oil theory has been promoted by a motivated group of scientists and laymen who base their conclusions on poor analyses of data and misinterpretations of technical material. But because the news media and prominent figures like James Schlesinger, a former secretary of energy, and the oilman T. Boone Pickens have taken peak oil seriously, the public is understandably alarmed
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if you're going to copy'n'paste at least cite the source ... :)
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if you're going to copy'n'paste at least cite the source ... :)
customer came in, and my mechanic came up front for the next car as i was doing that......
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/opinion/25lynch.html?pagewanted=all
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Many of the early wells put in the gulf of mexico drilled in the 1940s.........haven't run dry yet.
It won't be supply issues that will cause gas prices to rise.
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i had also talked to people that were supposedly there at wells in texas that had supposedly been dry for years. for whatever reason, they supposedly fired up the pumps, and supposedly oil came out.
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from the NYT opinion piece (3yrs ago now):
Oil remains abundant, and the price will likely come down closer to the historical level of $30 a barrel as new supplies come forward in the deep waters off West Africa and Latin America, in East Africa, and perhaps in the Bakken oil shale fields of Montana and North Dakota.
$30 a barrel? in the 3yrs since he wrote this, its settled at what looks like the new equilibrium price of $75-80. since his prediction was off by some 300% I'm not convinced he has a very good handle on it ...
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The global climate is easy to model when only three basic factors are involved. Anyone who is a sceptic on man made climate change needs to take a step back and look at what really dictates the earths temperature.
See my post on magnetosphere and solar maximum. To think that man (even all of humankind) can influence global temperature is as ridiculous as carnies selling rain machines.
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You know I have to laugh. At our own self agrandizement and arogance. We think we know everything. We think we know enough about everything.
We've had higher education...according to todays standards (College etc.) May I remind you the Egyptians built pyramids and aligned them geometerically
on point with constellations. We have no idea how they did it. Same thing in south america, machu pichu, a city built on the position of the sun to signify
the first day of spring. How'd they do that? No one can explain for certain how. So now we are so arogant as to believe without fact that WE are the cause of
global warming when global warming and cooling has been occuring for hundreds of thousands of years. May I remind you those thought to be the most educated
and intelligent of the time said that..The Sun orbits the earth! (well..er..um...wrong). The most educated and intelligent also said that: The earth is flat!"
Now we all know with fact that the earth has warmed and cooled many times over its' existance. On its' own without our help. We aren't even a blip on the history of this
earth or its' influence. How long mankind been here??? Couple thousand years??? Hell Dinosaur flatulence had to be a bigger influence, they were here for millions!
Wake up........use common sense. Is there anyone who can gain from our believeing we are the cause of heating?? Yup.
We as a group compared to time we've been here are absolutely nothing. We don't know everything. We aren't as smart as we think we are (past history) noted above.
Arogance and greed.....two shortcomings we've never and will never be able to overcome. Quit taking yourself so seriously (me included)
We don't know squat.
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well said Hajo.
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Ummm I know Squat. He's a short guy lives just down the street.