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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: flight17 on July 18, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
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Can we make it available at v bases? Already have the fh there and it's a dedicated tank killer.... So.... Might as well enable it there...
Sincerely, #1 ranked gver (gver at heart) :)
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:furious
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Errr... :noid
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Nah. A front line army base is NOT going to have all the kit needed to fuel it, arm it, repair it, maintain it, and otherwise get it in the air. The Storch was trucked around WITH the front line troops, and needed a suitcase worth of parts, etc. It was meant for that. The Stuka was not.
NO NO NO!!! :aok
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Nah. A front line army base is NOT going to have all the kit needed to fuel it, arm it, repair it, maintain it, and otherwise get it in the air. The Storch was trucked around WITH the front line troops, and needed a suitcase worth of parts, etc. It was meant for that. The Stuka was not.
NO NO NO!!! :aok
Then there is no point of having it... If u have to come from a airfield there are plenty of other planes that can do the same job better.
And we don't have moving lines we have fixed bases. BASES THAT ALSO HAVE FIXED HANGARS. It's got enough rounds for 12 kils max if you aren't facing heavy tanks. Introducing them to vbases is not going to change the gameplay any. If you don't want them to up,the kill the. Hangar like you have to do stay other base.
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The Stuka isn't a STOL plane like the Storch, you'd probably end up crashing it on take off with the long roll out for take off out of a V base.
ack-ack
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The Stuka isn't a STOL plane like the Storch, you'd probably end up crashing it on take off with the long roll out for take off out of a V base.
ack-ack
Actually it pretty much was a STOL aircraft. The prototype was capable of taking off in about 800ft with a 250kg bomb using the 600hp Jumo 210 which was always said to be greatly underpowered with a Tow of 7300lbs. By the time they developed the G model, the engine had been changed multiple times and was now outputting over 1400hp. The frame itself had only gained About 2900lbs in empty weight(including guns but excluding ammo/bombs), to 7900lbs, over the A model, but it was powered by an engine putting out over twice the power.
So either way, the G model modestly loaded could take off in 800ft or less. It's not like we have the 1000kg bomb on it, which it did carry IRL.
And besides, there is plenty of room for it to take off within the current base's footprint.
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+1 yes please.
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Ack Ack I suggest you read Stuka pilot. Hans Rudel regularly landed to pick up downed crews.
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Ack Ack I suggest you read Stuka pilot. Hans Rudel regularly landed to pick up downed crews.
I have read it and he didn't regularly do it. I believe it did it at the most twice (been awhile since I've read his autobiography) and in one of those occasions he couldn't take off again and almost died in the process fleeing from Soviet soldiers.
ack-ack
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No, no tank killer aircraft at vBases.
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He did it so much Hitler personally ordered him not to.
He was credited with rescuing 6 crews and had one failed attempt due to mud caught in the wheel wells of his plane.
Sounds pretty regular to me.
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Regardless of whether the war's best Stuka pilot was able to land off the tarmac, the game play consequences (to GVers) of putting tank killer AC at VBases would be horrendous.
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MH
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I think Wirbles and Ostis would have one hell of a fun time though. -1 but I doubt it's going to be a huge problem if it's ever enabled. Wirbles would tear them apart.
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This must be a response to the enemy tanks that sit at spawn but never come close enough to the base to actually attack it or be in danger from the field itself.
15 tanks spawn near a field but never reach the field.
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Regardless of whether the war's best Stuka pilot was able to land off the tarmac, the game play consequences (to GVers) of putting tank killer AC at VBases would be horrendous.
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MH
no it won't. I'm a gver, always have been and wouldn't mind it. It's not going to change anything that much. 1 wirb can take care of any air cons. Realistically, it's only going to be able to get 3-5 tanks at most. A good gver can do that in less that 30 seconds.
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Wouldn't you have better luck, IF at all, to get something more like a forward dirt strip concept from the russian campaign?
It would resemble the airfeilds in the WW1 arena. It would then have a limited plane set and ordenance. It would be highly susceptable to being over run by GV and blown to Fiji by an elephant breaking wind near it. But, it would be in the halfway no man's land between feilds. This one gets requested every year and gets ignored every year.
It's simple and attractive to those with no patience. The plane set can be something like the following to keep the destabalising effect to a minimum and the faint of heart back at the big airfeilds.
No rearm for aircraft, Spit1, spit5, P40's, HurriC, HurriD, Hurri1, A6m, Ki61, Betty(formations disabled), La5, C202, Brewster, Yak9T, P39, P47D11, Ju87G, Bf109-E\F, Fw190F. No bombs greater than 500lb.
IL2 if limited to the 23mm main guns.
No GV spawn from it and no spawn near it. Some one will always be willing to drive half or a quarter of a sector just to be clever to take it down in a tank single handed.
No Troops, No resupply for GV. Manned gun positions with auto guns for air defence along with wirbel, ostie, M16. M3\75mm, M4 and Panzer for GV defence or driving a half sector to attack something.
Capturing is blow everything up and run troops into the command tent. One box of lancs passing over and sneezing. Since the stuff being blown up is shacks, tents and dirt fuel\ammo bunkers. The regeneration time should be 2x faster than normal and your C47 better be on time. Don't count these in the 20% needed for map reset becasue of how fast they would change hands.
This would give the OP his Ju87G closer to the GV action to defend GV feilds.
The biggest downsides would be the dirt strip would become a vulch magnet for late war fighters in the hands of newbies seeking easy kill strings in the text buffer. And close enough to GV feilds that more players would probably hump a bomb or the single Betty over to harrass attack GV with constant bombing attacks. The speed at which the feild could change hands would distract from achiving the 20% in that country. And who would want to take the risk getting killed in the LWMA flying all of those clunkers with a sky full of newbies in P51D hiding in the 15k strat layer waiting for the poor fool to up in a lone Betty or Ju87G?
Then again this has been the kind of thing over the years I thought would spur the top sticks in the game in their squads like Top Gun, AoM, Few, Kommando Nowotny and so on to use the opportunity to show the hoards of newbies in their late war monsters it's the man not the machine and up in squad strength from this kind of feild to emberrass the hoards of ankle biters............<S>
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That wall of text suppose to mean something?
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Yes, that many people don't have the patience developed via delayed gratification to read much more than texting and twitter in the 21st century. They tend to be easily offended over trivial things as a result of under developed delayed gratification which is the same part of the brain that processes self control. Self control and skill's that trigger ones Mesolimbic dopamine self reward process in the brain are two seperate regions of the brain.
Self Control is painfull and not tied to the instantainous dopamine self reward function becasue the dopamine trigger is based on the here and now. Self Control is an intellectual abstract in which you train yourself to accept no reward now for a future greater reward that may never happen.
Walls of text and reading longer than a tweet are based on self control and a view to the future. Games like AH polish the short term dopamine self reward system in our brains.
By the way burning out on this game is when you reach your tollerance level for your own dopamine and your body needs a break to detox. Bordom and a low tollerance for percieved slights are two of the biggest symptoms of burn out here or even in real life at your work place. Dopamine self addiction is the other side to a low tollerance for percieved slights and resulting agressive responces to percieved slights.
All of those whizzing matches on ch200 and in this Forum........
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A tank killer stationed at a Vbase will only increase the enormous advantage that the defender already possesses.
Advantages the defender already enjoys:
Manned 17pdrs and flak88s
Zero drive to a fight if defending
Concrete on which to (unfortunately) park a perked tank which can end sortie at a moments notice. So little comparative perk risk compared with the attackers.
Eyes in the sky in the form of the storch
P.S. If you've ever complained about hordes, you are a hyprocrit for wanting this
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Adding tank busters simply deny ground vehicles will ever attack a V-base, point is to make a fight - if someone wants to fly a sector away then they risk running into fighters - where if someone takes off from a v-base they have plenty of time to score kills and land before a fighter even shows up.
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A tank killer stationed at a Vbase will only increase the enormous advantage that the defender already possesses.
Advantages the defender already enjoys:
Manned 17pdrs and flak88s
Zero drive to a fight if defending
Concrete on which to (unfortunately) park a perked tank which can end sortie at a moments notice. So little comparative perk risk compared with the attackers.
Eyes in the sky in the form of the storch
^^ this, plus
- ability to "ditch" even when leaving the concrete
- having an actual chance to land his kills while the 'attacker' is basically dead for all practical purposes when he spawns in, resulting in much less use of perked tanks
- supps are more readily available to the defender who may even lay then out himself before positioning his tank on a convenient spot on concrete
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There's zero drive to the fight for both sides.
I feel that is one of the issues.
I also watched a bunch of base losses that occurred because enemy tanks used the undefensible maneuver called "flanking" which allowed them to mingle 50 feet away from the defenders while dropping off troops.
Based on what I saw, most tankers are both blind and deaf.
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Its mostly killing Panzer-4s guys. Frankly it appears to have no more killing power then the IL2, and with far less ammo and ords. My already high opinion of Rudel as an airman has gotten even higher.
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what is wrong with the good old park a tiger 2 on concrete defense.
semp
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what is wrong with the good old park a tiger 2 on concrete defense.
Wrong? Nothing.