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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rob52240 on August 10, 2012, 01:46:54 PM
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What a shame he couldn't adopt the adorable little thing.
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2018882580_amazonrifle10.html
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What a shame he couldn't adopt the adorable little thing.
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2018882580_amazonrifle10.html
I read this yesterday.... he ordered a TV. lol
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I wouldnt be upset if i got a Rifle in a box instead of a TV lol
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Poor little guy. You'd think he'd be to shocked to call in for his 15 mins.
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Poor little guy. You'd think he'd be to shocked to call in for his 15 mins.
I would have been best for everyone if he just kept it & shut his pie hole. Some poor slob with get charged with smuggling by DC authority or some stupid crap like that...I he didn't want it he could've took it to a gun shop or out of town & sold it & bought 2 TVs. :rolleyes:
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The thing that annoyed me was that later, after the cops came and collected the rifle (a semi-auto Sig), this Mr. Macho putz calls the Brady Bunch to whine about it. I saw a photo of the geek, posing with the box. Meanwhile, his TV got lost in shipping and he had to ask for a refund... No Batman reruns for him for a while..
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The thing that annoyed me was that later, after the cops came and collected the rifle (a semi-auto Sig), this Mr. Macho putz calls the Brady Bunch to whine about it. I saw a photo of the geek, posing with the box. Meanwhile, his TV got lost in shipping and he had to ask for a refund... No Batman reruns for him for a while..
Right. He's shocked and gurgling for the Brady Bunch. Meanwhile his shelf is stocked with his gun violence DVD collection and 1st person shooter PS3 games.
Hypocrites!
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Lucky. I'd take that trade off. The rifle was worth more than the "39 inch" television he ordered. SMH.
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Lucky. I'd take that trade off. The rifle was worth more than the "39 inch" television he ordered. SMH.
But it's illegal where he lives...what are you gonna do with it unless you want to arrested? :headscratch:
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Not hard to leave the city with it. Just toss it in the trunk, while it's in the box and drive out of town, go to a gun shop and *poof* money.
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But it's illegal where he lives...what are you gonna do with it unless you want to arrested? :headscratch:
It's NOT illegal if the law is wrong....just saying.... :D Gonna tell on yerself? :D
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It's NOT illegal if the law is wrong....just saying.... :D Gonna tell on yerself? :D
:aok
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It's NOT illegal if the law is wrong....just saying.... :D Gonna tell on yerself? :D
the law is the law. you cant change that. I dont want to pay taxes because I believe the law is wrong. but every April 15 my check goes out. you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.
semp
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You can change a law...it just takes money and time...and LOTS of support lol
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It's NOT illegal if the law is wrong....just saying.... :D Gonna tell on yerself? :D
Too bad I don't live in your world. :(
Oop...can of worms...I'll leave now.
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the law is the law. you cant change that. you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.
semp
Why not? The DOJ does.
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What a ninny.
And I positively love this part... So when a UPS delivery worker dropped off a military-grade semiautomatic rifle instead of the flat-screen TV he had ordered from an Amazon.com third-party seller, he didn't dare touch it at first.
Please tell me, Mr. AP Writer Man, what qualifies a weapon to be military grade? Because you said so? :lol
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I'm not sure, but that looked kinda like a 716, I would have adopted that thing right away as a big brother to my wondefull 516. It doesn't say in the article which TV he ordered. Maybe I should start ordering TV's online and hope a 1700 dollar Sig 716 shows up :lol
:salute
BigRat
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the law is the law. you cant change that. I dont want to pay taxes because I believe the law is wrong. but every April 15 my check goes out. you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.
semp
Yes you can!! People stand up to oppression & tyranny around the world every day, & when tyrants go to far people start breaking the unjust "Laws" & start killing tyrants....that fear is the only thing which prevents legitimate authority from exercising excess power. Would the police stop when they were getting close to abuse, if there was no enforcement of punishment for abuse? No, history proves repeatedly that any & all force legitimized will be used. Stop being sheep. If the law is wrong, push to change it & fight when necessary. Meanwhile what they don't know is your business, not theirs!! :furious :old:
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the law is the law. you cant change that. I dont want to pay taxes because I believe the law is wrong. but every April 15 my check goes out. you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.
semp
I pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I don't.
I trust my own sense of morality over what gets drafted by the legislature any day.
Then again, I am one of those people who will break a rule and enjoy breaking it just for the sake of breaking it if there is no real logic behind a rule.
Like when you're not supposed to do something but the only reason anybody can come up with is "because that's the way things are" this is not a reason, it is the total absence of reason.
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God Im glad I'm a Texan, where thoes evil little black rifles are loved and cared for. :rock
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God Im glad I'm a Texan, where thoes evil little black rifles are loved and cared for. :rock
Idaho is with ya on that one...If I lived back east, I'd have to leave because first time someone treated me like a criminal for defending myself, then I'd have to show them what a criminal really is. :noid
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I pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I don't.
I trust my own sense of morality over what gets drafted by the legislature any day.
Then again, I am one of those people who will break a rule and enjoy breaking it just for the sake of breaking it if there is no real logic behind a rule.
Like when you're not supposed to do something but the only reason anybody can come up with is "because that's the way things are" this is not a reason, it is the total absence of reason.
that could be true along with all the others who replied. but on the other hand the receiver of the rifle followed his own view of morality and reported it. it's like finding a wallet full of cash on the street some will return it while some others will keep it, even thought it's ilegal.
either your own sense of morality doesnt trump the law. choosing to ignore it, we do that everyday. but the law still the law :salute.
semp
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that could be true along with all the others who replied. but on the other hand the receiver of the rifle followed his own view of morality and reported it. it's like finding a wallet full of cash on the street some will return it while some others will keep it, even thought it's ilegal.
either your own sense of morality doesnt trump the law. choosing to ignore it, we do that everyday. but the law still the law :salute.
semp
Comparing keeping a found wallet to this is way off IMO...not even comparable. This is simply a constitutional argument for me. It is against the law to legislate away my 2nd amendment rights. They are violating a higher law of the land...the whole land. Dishonest is still dishonest. He used this as an opportunity to assail the anti-gun agenda. My stance is they have no right to restrict personal possession of firearms....so to me there is no law against it. Firearms possession is to protect us not only from criminal assault, but from abusive authority, no matter who they are... People can write anything they want...doesn't make it true.... :D IMO.
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Comparing keeping a found wallet to this is way off IMO...not even comparable. This is simply a constitutional argument for me. It is against the law to legislate away my 2nd amendment rights. They are violating a higher law of the land...the whole land. Dishonest is still dishonest. He used this as an opportunity to assail the anti-gun agenda. My stance is they have no right to restrict personal possession of firearms....so to me there is no law against it. Firearms possession is to protect us not only from criminal assault, but from abusive authority, no matter who they are... People can write anything they want...doesn't make it true.... :D IMO.
understood and totally agree with it. but until the guys in dresses says otherwise. the law is still the law.
but anyway if you think about it the main reason for returning the rifle is not because it was legal or illegal to buy it. but you could have always been charged with theft or something like that as you kept something that doesnt legally belong to you. he never ordered it or paid for it, so it wasnt really his. that it was delived to his house by mistake has nothing to do with the fact that it isnt his to keep. so gonna copy a portion of what you replied " Dishonest is still dishonest". he chose to be honest and returned something that doesnt belong to him.
semp
semp
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I would not have called the police... I would have called UPS and informed them of the mis-delivery. UPS will return and pick up the item and deliver it to the correct addressee. Then again, I'm not some lefty wimp who pees my pants at the sight of a firearm and sees the opportunity to get one's 15 minutes of news coverage, as was Mr. Macho Seth.
I would not have kept the rifle, because it was not mine to keep. Moreover, when the item is reported as missing by the sender, UPS will eventually track it down to where it was delivered.
We use UPS every day, and over the years, a few deliveries have gone awry. In each case, UPS was able to track it to where it was delivered by error. Inasmuch as this was a firearm, you can bet that the police will get involved if you don't attempt to return it. It could get worse than that, because this involves Federal law as well as State and local. I ask you, is that a can of worms you want to open?
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I think the problem people are having with the recipient is that instead of trying to get the gun to its rightful owner, he freaked out and called the cops. It is understandable because where he lives, owning a drawing of someone looking at a picture of a scary looking gun is illegal, but if the guy wasn't a wuss he could have tossed into his trunk, driven it to some location where it was legal to physically touch the thing (like a gun store in another city), and made a single phone call to the seller to try to get it sorted out. Instead he freaked out and called the cops who are going to confiscate the gun and probably destroy it, because of a simple shipping error.
If it wasn't DC, the cops could theoretically get busted for interfering with otherwise legal interstate commerce, but DC is special so they'll congratulate themselves on keeping one gun away from a legal owner while hundreds of criminals commit violent crimes with guns in spite of the laws preventing law abiding citizens from owning guns. So it goes, in DC. It's a silly place.
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I think the problem people are having with the recipient is that instead of trying to get the gun to its rightful owner, he freaked out and called the cops. It is understandable because where he lives, owning a drawing of someone looking at a picture of a scary looking gun is illegal, but if the guy wasn't a wuss he could have tossed into his trunk, driven it to some location where it was legal to physically touch the thing (like a gun store in another city), and made a single phone call to the seller to try to get it sorted out. Instead he freaked out and called the cops who are going to confiscate the gun and probably destroy it, because of a simple shipping error.
If it wasn't DC, the cops could theoretically get busted for interfering with otherwise legal interstate commerce, but DC is special so they'll congratulate themselves on keeping one gun away from a legal owner while hundreds of criminals commit violent crimes with guns in spite of the laws preventing law abiding citizens from owning guns. So it goes, in DC. It's a silly place.
but the cops must follow the law and the law says you cant have that type of arm in that city. perhaps the problem is with ups who messed up and delivered the package to the wrong adress. i believe that is who is wrong, not the police.
semp
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but the cops must follow the law and the law says you cant have that type of arm in that city. perhaps the problem is with ups who messed up and delivered the package to the wrong adress. i believe that is who is wrong, not the police.
semp
Even if local law prohibits private ownership, it cannot interfere with interstate commerce. In other words, you are legally allowed to ship through that location (city or county). Inasmuch as this delivery was to the wrong address, the rifle was not purchased or owned by the incorrect recipient. Notifying the shipping company of the error should not violate the law. When UPS picks up the rifle, the issue is resolved. You can be sure that UPS will pick up the rifle within an hour of the call. If after a reasonable time has passed and the box is not retrieved by UPS... Then call the cops. Once the guy unsealed the box, he opened the can of worms... Yes, UPS is responsible for the mis-delivery. However, some reasoning skills would have made this a very simple problem to solve.
One more thing... Why did this idiot even open the box? Clearly it was something he had not ordered (but, UPS requires that firearm boxes not state that the contents are a firearm). If I were the cop answering his call, I'd want to know why he opened it when it was obvious (by two address labels) that he was not the intended recipient.
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I bet he opened it because he was curious.
I disagree about UPS coming back immediately if you called them and mentioned a gun. In this day and age UPS would not come back, but they would ask the local swat team to go over there.
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I bet he opened it because he was curious.
I disagree about UPS coming back immediately if you called them and mentioned a gun. In this day and age UPS would not come back, but they would ask the local swat team to go over there.
This kind of curiosity is just dumb.. Surely this knucklehead knew the package was mis-delivered. He stated that there were two labels on the box... The correct one with the gun dealer's address and the label that fell off his TV.
I've called UPS about mis-deliveries. They send the nearest truck within about an hour. How would you know it's a firearm without opening the box? If the guy was minding his own business, he would not know the contents. No doubt he saw the gun dealer's address and decided to be a schmuck. Or more accurately, he was already a schmuck and he wanted to be a hero... Now all of his left leaning friends will buy him a Corona and he can bask in their admiration for being a force for the "cause".
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Widewing if you had read the article you would have noticed that he said it was part of the tv and that there would be another box coming.
semp
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He "thought" it was another part of the T.V. (like a stand/wall mount)....yeah, OK. I totally buy that.
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Of course the police didn't do anything wrong, & yes most agree with the weenie looking for a "Look-At-Me" opportunity...& I got off on my tangent, but this was absolutely handle in a manner to cause the most disruption possible, IMO. Calling UPS? YES! Calling the sender for a label or pick-up order with UPS already holding the label....you could bet this would have been treated like as much urgency as transplant organs....anyway on with our "normal" lives... :old:
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Widewing if you had read the article you would have noticed that he said it was part of the tv and that there would be another box coming.
semp
But, he only bought a TV and that does not come in two boxes.... So, in other words, he didn't notice that the other addressee was a gun shop? Of course he did.... Horvitz isn't stupid. A wuss, no doubt, but not stupid.
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But, he only bought a TV and that does not come in two boxes.... So, in other words, he didn't notice that the other addressee was a gun shop? Of course he did.... Horvitz isn't stupid. A wuss, no doubt, but not stupid.
what exactly makes him a wuss? Not everybody knows what to do when you receive a package with a firearm inside that you didnt order. some would have kept it, most would call the police and let the police and ups sort it out. it's not like this is the first time that ups has sent firearms to the wrong address. why is this one a big deal?
semp
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Does estrogen just ooze from you all the time, or is it just when you type on this bbs?
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Does estrogen just ooze from you all the time, or is it just when you type on this bbs?
:rofl
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Does estrogen just ooze from you all the time, or is it just when you type on this bbs?
just trying to understand your stupidity. what exactly makes him a wuss? ever notice when you guys cant come up with a good excuse you resort to personal insults? and even when you try to insult somebody you still come up short. I can think of more creative ways to insult somebody. I bet you dont really rest your hand on your gun, you just want to look macho while swinging your hips. i bet you wish more guys would wear holsters on both sides that way you can "rest" both hands on your guns and shake it a little more
semp
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just trying to understand your stupidity. what exactly makes him a wuss? ever notice when you guys cant come up with a good excuse you resort to personal insults? and even when you try to insult somebody you still come up short. I can think of more creative ways to insult somebody. I bet you dont really rest your hand on your gun, you just want to look macho while swinging your hips. i bet you wish more guys would wear holsters on both sides that way you can "rest" both hands on your guns and shake it a little more
semp
Could you two just stop right there? You're both going to get the rule hammer. Save Skuzzy and yourselves the frustration...
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(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/c0.0.348.348/p403x403/293094_4419823219093_159820431_n.jpg)
Macho Man, Seth Horvitz... Watch out Chuck Norris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08)
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He panicked when he saw a gun in a box instead of doing something one would do with any other shipment error, he freaks out and calls the cops.
In America this = wuss.