Orphan assault rifle left on doorstep.

[caldera]

the law is the law.  you cant change that.  you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.


semp

Why not?  The DOJ does.

[Triton28]

What a ninny.

And I positively love this part...

So when a UPS delivery worker dropped off a military-grade semiautomatic rifle instead of the flat-screen TV he had ordered from an Amazon.com third-party seller, he didn't dare touch it at first.

Please tell me, Mr. AP Writer Man, what qualifies a weapon to be military grade?  Because you said so?   

[Big Rat]

I'm not sure, but that looked kinda like a 716, I would have adopted that thing right away as a big brother to my wondefull 516.  It doesn't say in the article which TV he ordered.  Maybe I should start ordering TV's online and hope a 1700 dollar Sig 716 shows up

 
BigRat

[W7LPNRICK]

the law is the law.  you cant change that.  I dont want to pay taxes because I believe the law is wrong.  but every April 15 my check goes out.  you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.
semp

Yes you can!! People stand up to oppression & tyranny around the world every day, & when tyrants go to far people start breaking the unjust "Laws" & start killing tyrants....that fear is the only thing which prevents legitimate authority from exercising excess power. Would the police stop when they were getting close to abuse, if there was no enforcement of punishment for abuse? No, history proves repeatedly that any & all force legitimized will be used. Stop being sheep. If the law is wrong, push to change it & fight when necessary. Meanwhile what they don't know is your business, not theirs!! 

[Rob52240]

the law is the law.  you cant change that.  I dont want to pay taxes because I believe the law is wrong.  but every April 15 my check goes out.  you cant pick and choose which laws you follow.


semp

I pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I don't. 

I trust my own sense of morality over what gets drafted by the legislature any day.

Then again, I am one of those people who will break a rule and enjoy breaking it just for the sake of breaking it if there is no real logic behind a rule. 
Like when you're not supposed to do something but the only reason anybody can come up with is "because that's the way things are" this is not a reason, it is the total absence of reason.

[HighTone]

God Im glad I'm a Texan, where thoes evil little black rifles are loved and cared for. 

[W7LPNRICK]

God Im glad I'm a Texan, where thoes evil little black rifles are loved and cared for. 

Idaho is with ya on that one...If I lived back east, I'd have to leave because first time someone treated me like a criminal for defending myself, then I'd have to show them what a criminal really is. 

[guncrasher]

I pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I don't. 

I trust my own sense of morality over what gets drafted by the legislature any day.

Then again, I am one of those people who will break a rule and enjoy breaking it just for the sake of breaking it if there is no real logic behind a rule. 
Like when you're not supposed to do something but the only reason anybody can come up with is "because that's the way things are" this is not a reason, it is the total absence of reason.

that could be true along with all the others who replied.  but on the other hand the receiver of the rifle followed his own view of morality and reported it.  it's like finding a wallet full of cash on the street some will return it while some others will keep it, even thought it's ilegal.

either your own sense of morality doesnt trump the law.  choosing to ignore it, we do that everyday.  but the law still the law  .


semp

[W7LPNRICK]

that could be true along with all the others who replied.  but on the other hand the receiver of the rifle followed his own view of morality and reported it.  it's like finding a wallet full of cash on the street some will return it while some others will keep it, even thought it's ilegal.

either your own sense of morality doesnt trump the law.  choosing to ignore it, we do that everyday.  but the law still the law  .


semp

Comparing keeping a found wallet to this is way off IMO...not even comparable. This is simply a constitutional argument for me. It is against the law to legislate away my 2nd amendment rights. They are violating a higher law of the land...the whole land. Dishonest is still dishonest. He used this as an opportunity to assail the anti-gun agenda. My stance is they have no right to restrict personal possession of firearms....so to me there is no law against it. Firearms possession is to protect us not only from criminal assault, but from abusive authority, no matter who they are...  People can write anything they want...doesn't make it true....  IMO.

[guncrasher]

Comparing keeping a found wallet to this is way off IMO...not even comparable. This is simply a constitutional argument for me. It is against the law to legislate away my 2nd amendment rights. They are violating a higher law of the land...the whole land. Dishonest is still dishonest. He used this as an opportunity to assail the anti-gun agenda. My stance is they have no right to restrict personal possession of firearms....so to me there is no law against it. Firearms possession is to protect us not only from criminal assault, but from abusive authority, no matter who they are...  People can write anything they want...doesn't make it true....  IMO.

understood and totally agree with it.  but until the guys in dresses says otherwise. the law is still the law. 

but anyway if you think about it the main reason for returning the rifle is not because it was legal or illegal to buy it.  but you could have always been charged with theft or something like that as you kept something that doesnt legally belong to you.  he never ordered it or paid for it, so it wasnt really his.  that it was delived to his house by mistake has nothing to do with the fact that it isnt his to keep. so gonna copy a portion of what you replied " Dishonest is still dishonest".  he chose to be honest and returned something that doesnt belong to him.

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[Widewing]

I would not have called the police... I would have called UPS and informed them of the mis-delivery. UPS will return and pick up the item and deliver it to the correct addressee. Then again, I'm not some lefty wimp who pees my pants at the sight of a firearm and sees the opportunity to get one's 15 minutes of news coverage, as was Mr. Macho Seth.

I would not have kept the rifle, because it was not mine to keep. Moreover, when the item is reported as missing by the sender, UPS will eventually track it down to where it was delivered.

We use UPS every day, and over the years, a few deliveries have gone awry. In each case, UPS was able to track it to where it was delivered by error. Inasmuch as this was a firearm, you can bet that the police will get involved if you don't attempt to return it. It could get worse than that, because this involves Federal law as well as State and local. I ask you, is that a can of worms you want to open?

[eagl]

I think the problem people are having with the recipient is that instead of trying to get the gun to its rightful owner, he freaked out and called the cops.  It is understandable because where he lives, owning a drawing of someone looking at a picture of a scary looking gun is illegal, but if the guy wasn't a wuss he could have tossed into his trunk, driven it to some location where it was legal to physically touch the thing (like a gun store in another city), and made a single phone call to the seller to try to get it sorted out.  Instead he freaked out and called the cops who are going to confiscate the gun and probably destroy it, because of a simple shipping error.

If it wasn't DC, the cops could theoretically get busted for interfering with otherwise legal interstate commerce, but DC is special so they'll congratulate themselves on keeping one gun away from a legal owner while hundreds of criminals commit violent crimes with guns in spite of the laws preventing law abiding citizens from owning guns.  So it goes, in DC.  It's a silly place.

[guncrasher]

I think the problem people are having with the recipient is that instead of trying to get the gun to its rightful owner, he freaked out and called the cops.  It is understandable because where he lives, owning a drawing of someone looking at a picture of a scary looking gun is illegal, but if the guy wasn't a wuss he could have tossed into his trunk, driven it to some location where it was legal to physically touch the thing (like a gun store in another city), and made a single phone call to the seller to try to get it sorted out.  Instead he freaked out and called the cops who are going to confiscate the gun and probably destroy it, because of a simple shipping error.

If it wasn't DC, the cops could theoretically get busted for interfering with otherwise legal interstate commerce, but DC is special so they'll congratulate themselves on keeping one gun away from a legal owner while hundreds of criminals commit violent crimes with guns in spite of the laws preventing law abiding citizens from owning guns.  So it goes, in DC.  It's a silly place.

but the cops must follow the law and the law says you cant have that type of arm in that city.  perhaps the problem is with ups who messed up and delivered the package to the wrong adress.  i believe that is who is wrong, not the police.


semp

[Widewing]

but the cops must follow the law and the law says you cant have that type of arm in that city.  perhaps the problem is with ups who messed up and delivered the package to the wrong adress.  i believe that is who is wrong, not the police.


semp

Even if local law prohibits private ownership, it cannot interfere with interstate commerce. In other words, you are legally allowed to ship through that location (city or county). Inasmuch as this delivery was to the wrong address, the rifle was not purchased or owned by the incorrect recipient. Notifying the shipping company of the error should not violate the law. When UPS picks up the rifle, the issue is resolved. You can be sure that UPS will pick up the rifle within an hour of the call. If after a reasonable time has passed and the box is not retrieved by UPS... Then call the cops. Once the guy unsealed the box, he opened the can of worms... Yes, UPS is responsible for the mis-delivery. However, some reasoning skills would have made this a very simple problem to solve.

One more thing... Why did this idiot even open the box? Clearly it was something he had not ordered (but, UPS requires that firearm boxes not state that the contents are a firearm). If I were the cop answering his call, I'd want to know why he opened it when it was obvious (by two address labels) that he was not the intended recipient.

[Rob52240]

I bet he opened it because he was curious.

I disagree about UPS coming back immediately if you called them and mentioned a gun.  In this day and age UPS would not come back, but they would ask the local swat team to go over there.