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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
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Can we have the Panzer III next?
The Panzer III served as Germany's main tank from 1940 to early-mid 1942, when it began to serve alongside upgunned Panzer IV's as what we would now call a battle tank.
It lead the charge through the low-countries and France, fought admirably in North Afrika, and spear-headed the advance into Russia. The last major offensive where the Panzer III was present in large numbers was Operation Citadel, aka the battle of Kursk in July 1943.
Why should we get the Panzer III? Well, several reasons. 1) its historical significance as the tank that led the Blitzkrieg from 1940 to 1943. 2) it would give us most of the components (both visual and in the driving model) needed for a StuG III. 3) the 50mm L'60 is already in the game, in the form of the BK 5 on the Me 410.
I propose we add:
Panzer III Ausf. F: 30mm armor on the front hull, and all around on the turret, 37mm L'45 or 50mm L'42.
Panzer III Ausf. J: 50mm armor on the hull front, 30mm, 50mm L'42 or 50mm L'60
Panzer III Ausf. L: 50mm + 20mm on the hull and gun mantle, 57mm on the turret front. 50mm L'60
These three variants would give us good coverage all the way from 1939 to 1943. They would also give us the chassis to add the Stug III Ausf. A with 50mm armor an the 75mm L'24, the Ausf F with 50mm armor and the 75mm L'43, and the Ausf G with 80mm armor and the 75mm L'48.
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The short barreled PzIV already makes a decent stand in for early German tanks in scenarios. Add this and it's just another hangar queen.
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oh boy and I thought killing the Panzers we have now with rockets was easy...
Let the panzer III loose and I'll be able to use 1 rocket on each
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The short barreled PzIV already makes a decent stand in for early German tanks in scenarios. Add this and it's just another hangar queen.
Hardly. Even the 50mm L'42 was a better anti-tank weapon. The L'60 could penetrate about 30mm more armor than the 75mm L'24.
So, yeah, it might have the armor of an EW german tank, but it can't hit nearly as hard as the Panzer III could.
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Ok...so imagine I'm a complete newbie to tanking, persuade me to take the Panzer III over any other tank. :headscratch:
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Any we have? Or any tank it would face?
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Ok...so imagine I'm a complete newbie to tanking, persuade me to take the Panzer III over any other tank. :headscratch:
Because of the history, and the challenge.
If all you are concerned about is having the bestest and winning with the least amount of effort, you wouldn't drive one.
Some folks actually do like a challenge however.
Consider it was the primary German tank used in North Africa, the Battle of France and active through 43 in Russia, it would have plenty of Special Events use.
Good looking tank too if there is such a thing.
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Because of the history, and the challenge.
If all you are concerned about is having the bestest and winning with the least amount of effort, you wouldn't drive one.
Some folks actually do like a challenge however.
Consider it was the primary German tank used in North Africa, the Battle of France and active through 43 in Russia, it would have plenty of Special Events use.
Good looking tank too if there is such a thing.
I'd like a challenge, but I'd also like to have a chance. ;) Good luck getting close enough to dent another tank with this though. Oh, and I consider the T34/76 as the perfect "challenge". Weak gun, weak armor, poor sights, but you don't have to get within poking distance with a stick to kill something with it. :)
If all you are concerned about is having the bestest and winning with the least amount of effort, you wouldn't drive one.
Can I have a Maus? :frown:
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Consider that the challenge for Panzer III crews was getting in close enough to deal with a T34/76.
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Consider that the challenge for Panzer III crews was getting in close enough to deal with a T34/76.
Consider the rape fest that will be Panzer III trying to get close enough to deal with a Panther or even a Panzer IV.
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Can we have the Panzer III next?
The Panzer III served as Germany's main tank from 1940 to early-mid 1942, when it began to serve alongside upgunned Panzer IV's as what we would now call a battle tank.
It lead the charge through the low-countries and France, fought admirably in North Afrika, and spear-headed the advance into Russia. The last major offensive where the Panzer III was present in large numbers was Operation Citadel, aka the battle of Kursk in July 1943.
Why should we get the Panzer III? Well, several reasons. 1) its historical significance as the tank that led the Blitzkrieg from 1940 to 1943. 2) it would give us most of the components (both visual and in the driving model) needed for a StuG III. 3) the 50mm L'60 is already in the game, in the form of the BK 5 on the Me 410.
I propose we add:
Panzer III Ausf. F: 30mm armor on the front hull, and all around on the turret, 37mm L'45 or 50mm L'42.
Panzer III Ausf. J: 50mm armor on the hull front, 30mm, 50mm L'42 or 50mm L'60
Panzer III Ausf. L: 50mm + 20mm on the hull and gun mantle, 57mm on the turret front. 50mm L'60
These three variants would give us good coverage all the way from 1939 to 1943. They would also give us the chassis to add the Stug III Ausf. A with 50mm armor an the 75mm L'24, the Ausf F with 50mm armor and the 75mm L'43, and the Ausf G with 80mm armor and the 75mm L'48.
tankace why dont you stick to wot? it's free and most tanks are over there. you still dont have an account with aces high so what gets added or not wont really matter in your case. this tank basically sucks. it will be delegated to hangar queen.
semp
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I love how all the non-tankers are ragging on Panzer III.
Whats even funnier is when they go on about how it would be too challenging to kill anything, despite the fact that the only contemporary medium tanks that really out-classed the Panzer III was the T-34 and th M4. Aside from them, it would mop the floor with just about anything this side of a KV or a Churchill.
I've killed Panthers with an M8 before. I've killed Tiger I's with an M4(75). If I can do that, I'm fairly certian I could kill a Panzer IV or a T-34 with a Panzer III L.
Oh, and btw, the Panzer III could penetrate the front of the T-34 from 300m and closer. So its not like the thing is invincible, or anything. If they gave it a few APCR rounds, it would get even better.
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I love how all the non-tankers are ragging on Panzer III.
Whats even funnier is when they go on about how it would be too challenging to kill anything, despite the fact that the only contemporary medium tanks that really out-classed the Panzer III was the T-34 and th M4. Aside from them, it would mop the floor with just about anything this side of a KV or a Churchill.
I've killed Panthers with an M8 before. I've killed Tiger I's with an M4(75). If I can do that, I'm fairly certian I could kill a Panzer IV or a T-34 with a Panzer III L.
Oh, and btw, the Panzer III could penetrate the front of the T-34 from 300m and closer. So its not like the thing is invincible, or anything. If they gave it a few APCR rounds, it would get even better.
then why not get an account and show us how it's done?
semp
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Erhmmm, so? I killed a 262 with a Ki-61...that doesn't make the KI better than what it is. Just means the 262 pilot was bad, same as those Tigers and Panthers you killed.
And how are you going to get to 300m without being blown to bits? Not through your magical driving skills I hope. If they don't see you, they can still hear you ;).
Too bad we don't have a KV or a Churchill so the only thing the PzIII is going to mop is the dust in the hangar.
Why would it matter anyway? You can't even use the PzIII because you can't even get online.
For once I agree with semp, WoT has all you need and more (no trees flipping 20 ton tanks). It's free and you can play your PzIII there too.
Just because you and a handful of others want to use it in the MA doesn't make it a good addition, waste of resources and time that could go to more important additions that will actually be worth the effort that HTC puts into it.
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What would be the appropriate way to fill out the German panzer set for WW2? At this point it lacks the primary tanks of the blitzkrieg. Should that part of the war from 39 to 43 just be ignored?
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For once I agree with semp, WoT has all you need and more (no trees flipping 20 ton tanks). It's free and you can play your PzIII there too.
Except you get none of the historical sense there. It doesn't even feel like you're driving a tank there. Trust me, I've tried it.
Next time you want to make love with your wife and shes busy with something... well, just leave her alone and beat it. You still get off, right? Same thing, right?
Basically the same thing you're saying with regard to the Panzer III. One games modeling and representation of a tank is not inherently equal to that of another game. And WoT's view system, battle system, modeling, and..... everything but maybe grahpics are highly inferior to Aces High's.
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Except you get none of the historical sense there. It doesn't even feel like you're driving a tank there. Trust me, I've tried it.
Next time you want to make love with your wife and shes busy with something... well, just leave her alone and beat it. You still get off, right? Same thing, right?
Basically the same thing you're saying with regard to the Panzer III. One games modeling and representation of a tank is not inherently equal to that of another game. And WoT's view system, battle system, modeling, and..... everything but maybe graphics are highly inferior to Aces High's.
I agree, World of tanks was not for me. Other than tank don't roll over in there and you don't have to drive 20 minutes to get into action I can't say I cared much for it.
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Except you get none of the historical sense there. It doesn't even feel like you're driving a tank there. Trust me, I've tried it.
Next time you want to make love with your wife and shes busy with something... well, just leave her alone and beat it. You still get off, right? Same thing, right?
Basically the same thing you're saying with regard to the Panzer III. One games modeling and representation of a tank is not inherently equal to that of another game. And WoT's view system, battle system, modeling, and..... everything but maybe grahpics are highly inferior to Aces High's.
this tank is so slow that if there is a mission with it in included it will arrive about 20. to 30 min later than any other tank. only time it will see action is at 135, the spawn camping map.
semp
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I bet the Panzer III with the 50mm Kw.K. 39 L/60 gun (J and L variant?) and a high rate of fire (20rds / min) would do better than many think. No, I wouldn't stand off and take pot shots at Tigers and Panthers, or anything other than the lighter shinned gv's, but a smart player could put it to good use in the tank game. It is a small target after all.
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Wider and longer than the Panzer IV, but its coming up on a foot shorter, so its profile is a lot lower. Better ambush tank.
And the P III absolutely would be a better tank than most think, especially if they gave it APCR. We're talking about 150mm of penetration with those rounds.
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this tank is so slow that if there is a mission with it in included it will arrive about 20. to 30 min later than any other tank. only time it will see action is at 135, the spawn camping map.
semp
What are you comparing it to? It's speed is the same as Panzer IV and a bit faster then the Tiger I. The Sherman is about 5mph faster and the T-34 is a couple miles faster then the Sherman.
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What are you comparing it to? It's speed is the same as Panzer IV and a bit faster then the Tiger I. The Sherman is about 5mph faster and the T-34 is a couple miles faster then the Sherman.
M4 is about 2mph faster than the Panzer III and IV. Panther is about 1.5mph faster than the M4. T-34/85 is about 4mph faster than the Panther. T-34/76 is about 3mph faster than the T-34/85.
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M4 is about 2mph faster than the Panzer III and IV. Panther is about 1.5mph faster than the M4. T-34/85 is about 4mph faster than the Panther. T-34/76 is about 3mph faster than the T-34/85.
So you would agree with me then. Speed for the Mk III is not an issue right? Just don't want you getting confused as to whose side I'm on in this one :aok
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moin
to the panzer III i would say it will be used in game just like the panzer F. the panzer F is used alot in game its a god al around tank and a good gv perk generator. the panzer 3 would be the same. maybe alidelbit faster and a lidelbit waeker as a panzer 4.
cu christian
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So you would agree with me then. Speed for the Mk III is not an issue right? Just don't want you getting confused as to whose side I'm on in this one :aok
Yes, I would agree.
A difference of 2-3mph is rather unimportant. A speed difference of 5mph is significant. But 10mph..... now a difference of 10mph+ is getting close to the level of where it might be sorta usefull to take into account during the fight.
Unlike in aircraft, escape isn't usually an option for GV's. I mean in an aircraft, you can't engage from several thousand yards out, and hope to hit. You can with a tank. Therefore, small, and even moderate differences of speed are largely irrelevent.
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I would still like to see the Panzer III in the game with both the 37mm and the 50mm. The rate of fire is close to an M-8 with better armor and a bigger gun even is it does not have the speed. As pointed out elsewhere the Panzer IIIs was used for other armor configurations that could end up in the game down the road if we have the MK III. I don't see it as a hangar queen.
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Wider and longer than the Panzer IV, but its coming up on a foot shorter, so its profile is a lot lower. Better ambush tank.
And the P III absolutely would be a better tank than most think, especially if they gave it APCR. We're talking about 150mm of penetration with those rounds.
So you want HTC to design a whole new tank shell just to be used so they can add a Panzer 3?
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So you want HTC to design a whole new tank shell just to be used so they can add a Panzer 3?
They would have to design a whole new tank shell if they added the Panzer III even without APCR. Besides, its still less work than adding just about any other vehilcle.
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PzIII :aok
Throw in the Grant and Crusader II III IV, to go with it!
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Not sure where the speed comes from, Panzer III only does 25mph. I can see Ausf. J and G being added - don't need a town killer since the PanzerF already exists.
Unless something else gets added like the Crusader it basically is outclassed by every tank.
I would like to see it for historical value - Barbarosa campaign for example vs the T34, if a Crusader gets added for a north Africa campaign.
Unless more early war tanks get added, its simply outclassed by everything period.
Pz4F already is 40 eny, I can see it being bumped down to 30 eny and having this tank at 40 eny.
Then again if a Puma gets added nobody would drive a Panzer III since its same gun, but 10-15 mph faster.