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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on August 14, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
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We will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest city, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills. --Captain Ramius, Hunt For Red October
Regards,
Sun
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.
It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.
The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.
The Navy is in charge of detecting submarines, especially those that sail near U.S. nuclear missile submarines, and uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them.
The fact that the Akula was not detected in the Gulf is cause for concern, U.S. officials said.
The officials who are familiar with reports of the submarine patrol in the Gulf of Mexico said the vessel was a nuclear-powered Akula-class attack submarine, one of Russia’s quietest submarines.
A Navy spokeswoman declined to comment.
One official said the Akula operated without being detected for a month.
“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” said a second U.S. official.
“It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place,” the official said, referring to the Navy nickname for strategic missile submarines.
The U.S. Navy operates a strategic nuclear submarine base at Kings Bay, Georgia. The base is homeport to eight missile-firing submarines, six of them equipped with nuclear-tipped missiles, and two armed with conventional warhead missiles.
“Sending a nuclear-propelled submarine into the Gulf of Mexico-Caribbean region is another manifestation of President Putin demonstrating that Russia is still a player on the world’s political-military stage,” said naval analyst and submarine warfare specialist Norman Polmar.......
http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/
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ARE WE GOING TO WAY WITH RUSSIA FOR REAL THIS TIME IF SO :cry
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ARE WE GOING TO WAY WITH RUSSIA FOR REAL THIS TIME IF SO :cry
yes most likely, you may wanna stock up beans, and Iodine.
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yes most likely, you may wanna stock up beans, and Iodine.
OHH TOEJAM
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What will all those guys in Wall Street do with all their billions they have invested in Russia stocks :cry
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not like they are brazenly flying really fast jets really high over the heartland or anything and feeling cocky about it and bragging those jets can out run any missle we have , you kno...becasue they can. Or putting shows on their tv about thier subs actually penetrating the actual harbor of some of our bases.
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No big deal.....German U boats operated in the gulf during wartime alerts.
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This smells like a USN ploy to get back the funding they had cut from their SSN programs.
Besides weve had hunter boats giving them proctology exams for 60+ years. We even tapped the communications cable of their main Atlantic naval base.
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No big deal.....German U boats operated in the gulf during wartime alerts.
yep and thier cruise missles could have hit us citys with nuclear tipped warheads then too. You know thats how we got our they actua;lly launched one at Atlanta and it fail to detonate giving us just enough knowldge to finish the manhattan project. thats why the 2 bombs were so different. The first was mostly US tech then once we got the bomb out of atlanta the smaller one was German tech.
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This smells like a USN ploy to get back the funding they had cut from their SSN programs.
Besides weve had hunter boats giving them proctology exams for 60+ years. We even tapped the communications cable of their main Atlantic naval base.
and that was the 80's who knows what kinda dickish things we are doing now lol.
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and that was the 80's who knows what kinda dickish things we are doing now lol.
1971. They only found it cause a rat spy told them. They removed it in the early '80s.
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I saw that story df but have some questions/concerns about the story.
The Navy is not going to announce either way whether they monitored the sub. Therefore in my opinion this is an unconfirmed story. The Russians may like to say they were playing around the gulf of course.
It would be stupid of the US Navy to admit they were tracking it and such info would be highly classified.
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That's their way of telling us to stay out of Iran....they get a lot of oil from Iran & don't want their supplies interrupted. :old:
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Free Beacon? You have got to be kidding.
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Who cares?
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Gentlemen, The Russians don't know where ANY of our submarines are....
Since well before the days of the 688 class, our boomers have been off the coast of Russia. The Soviets understood that, and they still couldn't find them. Soviet subs visit Cuba on a regular basis, and have been plying the gulf for years. The Akula is a quiet boat (by Russian standards). Unless we are actually looking for them, it's not easy to detect them unless they make noise and they don't make noise normally. It's not difficult to hide. Moreover, the gulf is rather noisy. If tensions were higher, no Russian sub could leave port without a shadow.
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The cold war never ended. It just changed.
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We will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest city, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills. --Captain Ramius, Hunt For Red October
In the movie the Red October was an advanced Typhoon Class Strategic Missile Submarine or boomer.
The Akula Class are hunter killers see below
“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” said a second U.S. official.
The U.S. Navy operates a strategic nuclear submarine base at Kings Bay, Georgia. The base is homeport to eight missile-firing submarines, six of them equipped with nuclear-tipped missiles, and two armed with conventional warhead missiles.
Kind of hard to track boomers leaving out of Kings Bay on the Atlantic coast when you're listening to shrimp screw in the Gulf of Mexico.
I don't find this story that disturbing. Then again considering the world I grew up in I expect there to be Russian Subs off our coast.
Never forget...
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I suggest the Russian Navy learn to sink their Vodka bottles. Leaves a trail.
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Even if we knew the Akula was in the Gulf of Mexico, what are we supposed to do about it? Sink it? Would not happen, no matter who was President, particularly in International Waters.
It is one big game of chicken; he who flees the area or fires first, loses. This game has been going on for many years, only now you're hearing about it more than normal because Putin wants to be a swinging dick instead of a limp cocktail wiener and the US Navy is facing additional budget cuts in the future (and it hoping to avoid them).
What worries me is the fact we may yield some of our power/position in face of such rash actions. Remember this quote?
"This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility,"
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I guess I am missing something here.
The press says we didn't know about a sub, stating the information was obtained from US Officials that evidently have no names. The Navy is not making any comments about the subject. I guess we just need to take the media word that our Navy knew nothing about it. I did not read where the Navy stated that they missed the boat,,, (hehehe) .
I am not so sure we didn't know about it, and like someone said in an earlier post, not much we could do about it anyway.
I really don't think the Navy folks are really going to comment one way or another, but I am just about willing to bet the Russian Submarine may have had a shadow.
Fred
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there's always russian submarines close to shore, just like we always have submarines close to them. it's stupid to think otherwise. btw there's also russian planes flying close to the us, just like we have them close to them.
semp
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I saw that story df but have some questions/concerns about the story.
The Navy is not going to announce either way whether they monitored the sub. Therefore in my opinion this is an unconfirmed story. The Russians may like to say they were playing around the gulf of course.
It would be stupid of the US Navy to admit they were tracking it and such info would be highly classified.
Win. :aok
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Ahhh the cold war, we missed you so much. You are the perfect answer to global warming and NASA's depleting budget. There is hope yet.
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Were Screwed :bolt:
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Were Screwed :bolt:
Hardly, its all typical cat and mouse games. We send a sub 13 miles off their shore they send one a 100 from ours. The Gulf is a fairly big piece of water.
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That's their way of telling us to stay out of Iran....they get a lot of oil from Iran & don't want their supplies interrupted. :old:
:rofl
fantastic :rofl
You can buy oil from any where :rofl
Supplies interupted :rofl
Can everyone please think outside the box for thirty seconds, I a KGB spy in my apple tree b the way:old:
The US is not at war with the Russians, the Ruskis owe the US trillions :rofl
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yep and thier cruise missles could have hit us citys with nuclear tipped warheads then too. You know thats how we got our they actua;lly launched one at Atlanta and it fail to detonate giving us just enough knowldge to finish the manhattan project. thats why the 2 bombs were so different. The first was mostly US tech then once we got the bomb out of atlanta the smaller one was German tech.
LOL......as if they even need a sub in the gulf to land missiles on american cities.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/08/15/russian-attack-submarines-and-the-washington-free-beacons-latest-non-story/
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LOL......as if they even need a sub in the gulf to land missiles on american cities.
that was a reply to you comparing Russian nuke subs to German u-boats in WW2, you know because they are a great juxtiposition kinda like compareing Apples and Nuclear powered and armed Apples. :aok
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The cold war never ended. It just changed.
:)
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It is most likely a practice run for a future Russian war with China.
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It is most likely a practice run for a future Russian war with China.
who do we root for?
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who do we root for?
Not China they cheated in the Olympics
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Not China they cheated in the Olympics
I'm failrly sure the russians are known for that too.
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I'm failrly sure the russians are known for that too.
:rofl :rofl
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It is most likely a practice run for a future Russian war with China.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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who do we root for?
Root Beer!
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Root Beer!
Vodka! :noid
But to the OP, who cares?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WD0WVL-HjE
:lol
Better get used to it.
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There are numerous reasons not to care about this. The first being there is no verification and the USN would never say if they did, or didnt, detect the SSN. Thats why I smell a rat over this happening right after their budget for SSN programs have been cut.
We have so many long range SLCMs, on so many USN platforms, most of all SSNs and SSGNs, we decided not to put nukes on our SLCMs cause it would be so destabilizing theres no point in doing so. The danger of the Russians freaking out and/or making a mistake, as they have done so many times in the past, would make the chance for nuclear war greater then not deploying them would.
We have 4 Ohio class SSGNs, Boomers taken off the SSBN line, that each can fire 154 SLCMs each if we chose to arm them so. We have 50+ attack SSNs, most of which can be armed with dozens of SLCMs, that can fire off 16 at a time. Each SLCM, if we chose to arm them with nuclear warheads could be dialed to blow at 150 kt "Hiroshima was 16 kt". We have 400 stored but simply chose NOT to deploy them.
Why wouldnt we? Well for one thing the Russians have only a few Akulas with a possible nuclear loadout. Since we have 14 SSBMs, ballistic missiles boats so quiet even we cant find them, each capable of launching 24 MIRV'ed Trident-ll SLBMs. Whats the point? Thats the most quiet submarine in the world , capable of delivering 280+ very accurate 450 kt warheads 5,000 miles. While their warhead load out has been limited by START treaties just one of them is capable of utterly destroying 280 cities.
And the Russians know they are out there. Like black holes in the ocean. So this is either one of two things. A USN ploy to get more funding. Or a Russian ploy to look like a bigger world player. Either way for someone who served during the Cold War, when we had Hundreds of B-52s on Hot platforms, three classes of ICBMs, each had gads of theater IRBMs and gravity bombs, all of them on hair trigger. This is nothing.
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yep and thier cruise missles could have hit us citys with nuclear tipped warheads then too. You know thats how we got our they actua;lly launched one at Atlanta and it fail to detonate giving us just enough knowldge to finish the manhattan project. thats why the 2 bombs were so different. The first was mostly US tech then once we got the bomb out of atlanta the smaller one was German tech.
:huh
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The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance. - Samuel Butler
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This is what happens... when we declare an enemy, inferior.
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This has been largely unreported but starting last year the Russkies have been penetrating our airspace with strategic bombers. They've been doing the same to the UK.
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This has been largely unreported but starting last year the Russkies have been penetrating our airspace with strategic bombers. They've been doing the same to the UK.
it started 50 or more years ago.
semp
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it started 50 or more years ago.
semp
Then it stopped for 20 years when the cold war ended. Now that Russia is making big money with energy sales they can suddenly afford to start doing it again.
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It never stopped. Over here we went from about 400 interceptions a year to a low of about 100 during the '90s. Now were back up to Cold War levels again.
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(http://www.pearlharboroahu.com/images/Attack-pearl-harbor.jpg)
(http://mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/world-trade-center.jpg)
The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance. - Samuel Butler
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This is what happens... when we declare an enemy, inferior.
+1
Unfortunately we learn from history that we never learn from history. (sigh)
Regards,
Sun
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(http://www.pearlharboroahu.com/images/Attack-pearl-harbor.jpg)
(http://mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/world-trade-center.jpg)
The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance. - Samuel Butler
^^^
This is what happens... when we declare an enemy, inferior.
SO TRUE :salute THOSE POOR SOULS THAT DIED ON THOSE DAYS :cry
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It never stopped. Over here we went from about 400 interceptions a year to a low of about 100 during the '90s. Now were back up to Cold War levels again.
maybe they are getting prepared for the release of red dawn. I believe YOU has uncovered information that the movie is actually a trick to have our troops at the movie theater while the reds attack. You better stock up on beer and hotdogs, you never know.
semp
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Somehow this picture came to mind...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fJ22So0pDSo/TQkihMN5aFI/AAAAAAAAAdU/tQoaqco7WH0/s400/definace.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXXGep9RB34
When the Russians invade, here's the info you need to defend yourselves.
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well if we could track everything ... It just wouldnt be fun any more would it? :)
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Maybe the USN let them think they are stealthy and tracked them the whole way?
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^^^^ Or the defence of the USA against large scale exterior threats has diminished to dangerous levels and that America if found in a perilous situation would be up a certain creek without a certain paddling device.
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^^^^ Or the defence of the USA against large scale exterior threats has diminished to dangerous levels and that America if found in a perilous situation would be up a certain creek without a certain paddling device.
Pfft nah we got enough defense in nthe citys with the gangs and in the country with the GOB's to keep folks out.
Wonder how the PLA would handle drivebys.
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They are so lucky he didn't find out they were operating in his territory.
(http://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Tropic_Thunder_-_Les_Grossman_-_Possible_Panera-650x276.jpg)
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They are so lucky he didn't find out they were operating in his territory.
(http://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Tropic_Thunder_-_Les_Grossman_-_Possible_Panera-650x276.jpg)
whos they :confused:
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im not to sure about it. but i recall hearing that the us wants to/are building long range missile sites on russias front door. I believe the russians do not like that. if i remember correctly they said they will do a pre-emptive strike if we continue. If russia wanted to build some missile silos in say, cuba, what would our attitude be then?
:devil
:angel: :noid :angel:
:old:
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Russia doesn't like anything we do. Except for a few exceptions like how more Ak-47s are produced for the US consumer market than for all Russia's military and police combined.
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Its those Redcoats you have to keep your eye on :)
Everyone knows who don't like the US, can't you just make do with them for now. :)
The US invests more money in russia and China then any other country lol
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Don't you mean the British shadow govt in DC invest more in china n Russia? I know whats up.
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Flippen heck we have been rumbled :old:
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im not to sure about it. but i recall hearing that the us wants to/are building long range missile sites on russias front door. I believe the russians do not like that. if i remember correctly they said they will do a pre-emptive strike if we continue. If russia wanted to build some missile silos in say, cuba, what would our attitude be then?
:devil
:angel: :noid :angel:
:old:
Little bit of a history lesson. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq90-1.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq90-1.htm)
Fred
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Little bit of a history lesson. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq90-1.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq90-1.htm)
Fred
:O OMG!!!! spit out the hook!
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The US invests billions in Russian economy
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:O OMG!!!! spit out the hook!
HeHE,,, now it's a hook after the History Lesson. How convenient.
:D
Fred
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HeHE,,, now it's a hook after the History Lesson. How convenient.
:D
Fred
I'm just trying to help ya out Im not even the fisherman.
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I'm just trying to help ya out Im not even the fisherman.
I have successfully climbed and crossed over the top of that Hill known as Life, and now am heading down the back slope. I have gotten this far without your assistance, and I am willing to guess I can make it the rest of the way without any further assistance from you. Thanks anyway.
:salute
Fred
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I have successfully climbed and crossed over the top of that Hill known as Life, and now am heading down the back slope. I have gotten this far without your assistance, and I am willing to guess I can make it the rest of the way without any further assistance from you. Thanks anyway.
:salute
You sure? I really wouldnt mind pushing you down the hill at this point.
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You sure? I really wouldnt mind pushing you down the hill at this point.
Like I said, there is no need for your assistance. There are others that are doing a good job of doing the pushing. Thanks for the offer.
Fred
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"This is what happens... when we declare an enemy, inferior".~Plawranc
(http://www.pearlharboroahu.com/images/Attack-pearl-harbor.jpg)
(http://mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/world-trade-center.jpg)
This is what happens when an enemy thinks we'll bend to their aggression.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Shigemitsu-signs-surrender.jpg)
(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/05/seal-team-6-patch-2011-a-p.jpg)
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^^^^
Or this.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070716021223/uncyclopedia/images/d/d7/Nuclear_explosion.jpg)
My post simply states that the USA underestimates and berates its enemies so often that it ends up believing it itself.
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^^^^
Or this.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070716021223/uncyclopedia/images/d/d7/Nuclear_explosion.jpg)
My post simply states that the USA underestimates and berates its enemies so often that it ends up believing it itself.
So two sneak attacks on the United States without warning or declaration of war gives you this insight.
Your post simply states your own ignorance. Not to mention your own underestimating and berating of the United States.
In actuality the instigators of Pearl Harbor and 911 are the one that made the mistake of underestimating and both paid the price for it.
Is that mushroom cloud something you'd like to see befall the USA as well?
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So two sneak attacks on the United States without warning or declaration of war gives you this insight.
Yep, all witty strategists know that you always notify the enemy about your intentions before the attack. Common courtesy requires also detailed information of the location of your forces. :x
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I know full well how powerful the USA is, however, it is not nearly as strong as it is claimed to be.
The USA with all its firepower, is weaker now than ever before. I as an Australian and an Englishman, hence a Coalition member, would like the US to improve its defence and at the same time, treat threats against the free world more seriously.
These two sneak attacks, in both cases, were ONLY sneak attacks because the US Military and Government said "They are impossible"...
The Japanese lost the war due to their inability to match American Industry and RnD. However the War against Terror is still going and is starting to look unwinnable.
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unwinable :)
lol
Think outside the box it helps some times :)
lol
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So two sneak attacks on the United States without warning or declaration of war gives you this insight.
Your post simply states your own ignorance. Not to mention your own underestimating and berating of the United States.
In actuality the instigators of Pearl Harbor and 911 are the one that made the mistake of underestimating and both paid the price for it.
Is that mushroom cloud something you'd like to see befall the USA as well?
vietnam? basically all of central and south america? mara salvatrucha? 18th street gangs?
semp
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These two sneak attacks, in both cases, were ONLY sneak attacks because the US Military and Government said "They are impossible"...
Do you have a source where the US Military and Government said both Pearl Harbor and 911 were impossible?
You're insinuating that it was policy of the US and it's armed forces to scoff at the idea of an attack by Japan and the attack on the World Trade Center.
In fact the US was expecting Japan to strike somewhere in the Pacific. With exception of the British carrier raid on Taranto, nobody had ever pulled off anything like the Japanese did with their raid on Pearl Harbor. The US was also in negotiations with Japan in an attempt to avoid war. The British and Dutch were attacked at the same time by the Japanese. Was this because they underestimated and berated their enemies so often that they ended up believing it ? The sinking of the Repulse and the Prince of Wales due to air attack were actually bigger shocks than the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor. These ships were underway at sea and expecting combat.
911 again was the first attack of its kind but not the first on the WTC. It had been struck in the 90s with a truck bomb.There was very high concern for the safety of the WTC from terrorist attack. Both attacks were unique and first of their kind. A large scale carrier raid and 60 years later a large scale attack using hijacked airliners.
Both these attacks very well would have worked against any other country in the world just like they did against the United States. Had it happened to one of those countries would you had felt the same urge to post pictures of burning ships and buildings with people in them about to die and insult their country?
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"We all got weapons.......anybody can blow anybody away".
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"We all got weapons.......anybody can blow anybody away".
That pretty well sums it all up.