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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Midway on August 19, 2012, 10:16:39 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_in_World_War_II
Apparently there were several mobile versions, both ground and air based. Some with ranges up to sixty miles.
I wish we had GV and aircraft based mobile radar so we can fly or drive around providing radar support when field radar is down or not available (deep in enemy territory). Similar to how CVs provide a radar solution when they are in the vicinity of a base with radar down.
This would be helpful in a variety of situations from mission support, long range bomber support, and field defense. It could be a loadout on an existing A/C or GV or a new type.
An up to maybe 60 mile diameter mobile radar would create more fights since we will know where the enemy is and give us something else to do to help out our countrymen on their missions creating a bit more teamwork.
:)
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60 miles is more than what the current ground radar based we have.
semp
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-1, Don't be lazy.
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-1, Don't be lazy.
:rofl
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-1, Don't be lazy.
Agreed :aok
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Wait i think its a GREAT idea to trundle around up and down hills for hours to have a radar that shows which base is being horded after the field dar is down, I mean I would totally spawn it out to a spawn point and get killed by a m18 multiple times to show the same info already avail in game.
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Wait i think its a GREAT idea to trundle around up and down hills for hours to have a radar that shows which base is being horded after the field dar is down, I mean I would totally spawn it out to a spawn point and get killed by a m18 multiple times to show the same info already avail in game.
is that sarcasm? :noid
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is that sarcasm? :noid
No really think about it drive for 2 hours to get to an area that isnt coved by dar then....SIT its nothing but a win idea. or when the hordse is hording a field youcan spawn in and provide dar to show the 50 red dots around the horded feild!
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No really think about it drive for 2 hours to get to an area that isnt coved by dar then....SIT its nothing but a win idea.
true we have A.W.A.C.S in real life
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Wait i think its a GREAT idea to trundle around up and down hills for hours to have a radar that shows which base is being horded after the field dar is down, I mean I would totally spawn it out to a spawn point and get killed by a m18 multiple times to show the same info already avail in game.
:headscratch: Why drive around? If field radar is down, just find a place to hide and provide useful info for guys in the air so they can go after bombers, etc as they would if field radar is up? Field radar down would simply create a need for someone to help out their team this way... esp if they are on the phone or otherwise unable to concentrate on fighting or a few minutes.
If there was a need for this capability in WWII, why not enable it in here also for the same purpose? :old:
How many times have you benefited from nearby CV radar when field radar was out?
Also this would provide an airborne radar solution behind enemy lines. Which was very important to pilots during the war. :)
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How many times have you benefited from nearby CV radar when field radar was out?
Also this would provide an airborne radar solution behind enemy lines. Which was very important to pilots during the war. :)
If field dar is down there is usually a horde there, so I dont need the dar to tell me that there is a horse there, to get behind enemy lines you have to drive unless you justy sit at the spawn. Have you ever upped after bombers(you'd probably have to get out of the Spit so I guess no) its not really that hard to figure out w rhere thye are going using the darbar.
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If field dar is down there is usually a horde there, so I dont need the dar to tell me that there is a horse there, to get behind enemy lines you have to drive unless you justy sit at the spawn. Have you ever upped after bombers(you'd probably have to get out of the Spit so I guess no) its not really that hard to figure out w rhere thye are going using the darbar.
Not to mention it will not save you from the:
(http://www.tanzaniaparks.com/images/posters/SERENGETI.jpg) :rofl
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Not to mention it will not save you from the:
(http://www.tanzaniaparks.com/images/posters/SERENGETI.jpg) :rofl
:aok
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If field dar is down there is usually a horde there, so I dont need the dar to tell me that there is a horse there, to get behind enemy lines you have to drive unless you justy sit at the spawn. Have you ever upped after bombers(who would do such a thing is a spit) its not really that hard to figure out w rhere thye are going using the darbar.
Fighters are interested in fights away from the horde also, radar would point out location of approaching dot(s) 10 miles or more away. This would help reduce the growing size of a horde. Plenty of wirbles and air cons are likely working the close by horde already.
No need to get behind enemy lines in a GV, just spawn and hide to provide radar when field radar is down. To provide radar well behind enemy lines, up an airborne solution, as they did in WWII (which i suspect was much appreciated at the time).. :aok
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Fighters are interested in fights away from the horde also, radar would point out location of approaching dot(s) 10 miles or more away. This would help reduce the growing size of a horde. Plenty of wirbles and air cons are likely working the close by horde already.
No need to get behind enemy lines in a GV, just spawn and hide to provide radar when field radar is down. To provide radar well behind enemy lines, up an airborne solution, as they did in WWII (which i suspect was much appreciated at the time).. :aok
so you want someone to sit there and hold your hand, when you just as easily can find a fight by yourself? Its not hard to find a fight without making somone spawn to a spawn poiint and get killed multiple times becaus eyou dont knwo how to read a bardar.
Hey if you want to see pointless items added to game thats cool, but really I dont see it haing much inpact to the game.
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so you want someone to sit there and hold your hand, when you just as easily can find a fight by yourself? Its not hard to find a fight without making somone spawn to a spawn poiint and get killed multiple times becaus eyou dont knwo how to read a bardar.
Hey if you want to see pointless items added to game thats cool, but really I dont see it haing much inpact to the game.
:headscratch: You see no value in radar to fighter pilots and bombers?
Why have field radar then, and why are enemy cons so keen on knocking it out as, very often, a first target?
Your argument is lacking an appreciation for radar. Hard to convince you then. I always rely on radar when available and would certainly appreciate someone providing a temporary solution when needed. :)
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:headscratch: You see no value in radar to fighter pilots and bombers?
Why have field radar then, and why are enemy cons so keen on knocking it out as, very often, a first target?
Your argument is lacking an appreciation for radar. Hard to convince you then. I always rely on radar when available and would certainly appreciate someone providing a temporary solution when needed. :)
Midway if they are dropping the dar there is a reason for it, I appreciate radar but what you are sugggesting is to up a radar van at a base that has lost its dar because it is being attack, well how long do you thing a radar van will last in a horde? think about it. Its pointless if a field is flashing I KNOW its under attack I dont need measals to show me that.
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Then again I dont tool arounsd in a Spit ALL the time so I have the fuel and Speed to find figths furrther out and loiter in area for a bit.
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Midway if they are dropping the dar there is a reason for it, I appreciate radar but what you are sugggesting is to up a radar van at a base that has lost its dar because it is being attack, well how long do you thing a radar van will last in a horde? think about it. Its pointless if a field is flashing I KNOW its under attack I dont need measals to show me that.
I have thought about it. Upping a mobile radar and trying to hide it would be fun, at least for me. One of the things I like about GVing is the hide and go seek aspect. I am sure I could hide and you would find it difficult to find me. I can't always concentrate on fighting and this would let me help out providing needed intel. I'm sure pilots would appreciate it as well. I would. :aok
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Then again I dont tool arounsd in a Spit ALL the time so I have the fuel and Speed to find figths furrther out and loiter in area for a bit.
My Spitfire has plenty of range. I chased bombers five sectors the other day. Up a Spitire MK VIII with 100% fuel and DT and take a look at how much flight time that gives you. That is one of the main reasons I fly the Spitfire MK VIII, the range it gives me... It's climb rate, turning ability, and cannons being the others. :joystick:
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I have thought about it. Upping a mobile radar and trying to hide it would be fun, at least for me. One of the things I like about GVing is the hide and go seek aspect. I am sure I could hide and you would find it difficult to find me. I can't always concentrate on fighting and this would let me help out providing needed intel. I'm sure pilots would appreciate it as well. I would. :aok
I dont belive you would actually up this it's not a spit. You know it will be a hanger queen. If you cant tell when a base is under attack I cant help you.
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I dont belive you would actually up this it's not a spit. You know it will be a hanger queen.
Wrong again. Check my stats and you'll see I up plenty of other GVs and aeroplanes, including goons and M3s.
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Wrong again. Check my stats and you'll see I up pletty of other GVs and aeroplanes, including goons and M3s. ;)
Under which shade? POadding your "up" status by uppinga plane and bailing after wheels up dont prove ,much
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Under which shade?
I only have one account. Ingame name "who".
Btw, the mobile dar could be a load-out on a goon or M3 if a new vehicle is too time consuming to make. In reading about mobile radar solutions it sounds like it did not necessarily require a special aeroplane or vehicle, just equipment.
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I only have one account. Ingame name "who".
Btw, the mobile dar could be a load-out on a goon or M3 if a new vehicle is too time consuming to make. In reading about mobile radar solutions it sounds like it did not necessarily require a special aeroplane or vehicle, just equipment.
Death traps. They couldnt have the same range as a feild dar IRL so it would need to be scalled back to probably half a feild dar so they are pointless.
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Death traps. They couldnt have the same range as a feild dar IRL so it would need to be scalled back to probably half a feild dar so they are pointless.
60 mile range in real life, shorten it to 20 or 30 miles in AH would work fine and be vey useful. :aok
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60 mile range in real life, shorten it to 20 or 30 miles in AH would work fine and be vey useful. :aok
the field dar is at 25 so Id say 12, also they would have to put dar on the CA's in the TG's aswell.
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Also how would hills and mountains affet a ground lvl radar that isnt a tower?
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the field dar is at 25 so Id say 12, also they would have to put dar on the CA's in the TG's aswell.
So now you support it, but only if it is given a range that makes it nearly useless? :lol
20 or 30 mile diameter would wok fine, be useful, and many would appreciate it. :salute
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Look down shoot down radar is a relatively modern invention. Plane based radar I assume would have difficulty seeing anything below it with 1940s tech.
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Look down shoot down radar is a relatively modern invention. Plane based radar I assume would have difficulty seeing anything below it with 1940s tech.
Read the wiki page in the OP. Pilots counted on plane based airborne radar, esp at night, to find the enemy.
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So now you support it, but only if it is given a range that makes it nearly useless? :lol
20 or 30 mile diameter would wok fine, be useful, and many would appreciate it. :salute
No thats why I've been saying its pointless, it cant have the same range as athe field dar and be realistic, and youd have to park it on hills to get abouve ground clutter so you have to drive the thing all over to get a good spot, then your a thin skinned sitting duck at a airfield that is horded. So yea its pointless, andnobody would use it
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Read the wiki page in the OP. Pilots counted on plane based airborne radar, esp at night, to find the enemy.
read what he said, for contacts that were not below them, and so if the contacts are high you know ehwhere they are anyway because of bardar. Get out off the horde now and then and youd know this,.
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I only have one account. Ingame name "who".
Btw, the mobile dar could be a load-out on a goon or M3 if a new vehicle is too time consuming to make. In reading about mobile radar solutions it sounds like it did not necessarily require a special aeroplane or vehicle, just equipment.
Maybe you should read more about how radar worked and was used during WW2 before you make a wish about it.
ack-ack
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Maybe you should read more about how radar worked and was used during WW2 before you make a wish about it.
ack-ack
Why its not a spitfire.
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Maybe you should read more about how radar worked and was used during WW2 before you make a wish about it.
ack-ack
Well, this being a game as much as a flight sim, I don't think exact specifications and methodologies are necessary just for radar. A simple solution (25 mile diameter), similar to what we have now on mobile CVs but available as a loadout on goons or mosquitos would work fine.
Btw, I don't think bar dar was a radar type in WWII either. I am not wishing for anything complicated, just a similar mobile radar as CVs have now, but on an aeroplane and/or a GV.
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Well, this being a game as much as a flight sim, I don't think exact specifications and methodologies are necessary just for radar. A simple solution (25 mile diameter), similar to what we have now on mobile CVs but available as a loadout on goons or mosquitos would work fine.
You realise a cv is bigger than a goon or mosquito right? Also the sea is "flat' so no mountains to clutter up the 25 mi range like a van or if in a plane the contacts would need to be higher and not below the dar plane so yet again you can just use the darbar so its pointless.
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What if the ground based radar "van" is on a mountain? Radar is Line Of Sight, as the signal needs to be able to return to the receiver.
I'm not for GV based radar, but at short ranges it would be nice to have icons <simulating Mark-1 eyeball reports>
Just FYI, the F-4 Phantom had 1960s based technology and could automagically track targets out to 50 miles. Supposedly the max range
was 200 miles, but who knows....maybe if you were tracking the Hindenburg :D
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can somebody post that picture of grizz killing a jeep way up in the mountains? think that's what midway would want, take 1 hr to climb a hill to get in position for...
well not really sure what for, not like you really need dar to find the enemy around any base.
semp
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can somebody post that picture of grizz killing a jeep way up in the mountains? think that's what midway would want, take 1 hr to climb a hill to get in position for...
well not really sure what for, not like you really need dar to find the enemy around any base.
semp
Thats what Im screamin' also I think he was trolling cuz we all know he aint gonna up it if it aint a spit.
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... he was trolling cuz we all know he aint gonna up it if it aint a spit.
Falsly accused again. :old:
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Falsly accused again. :old:
sure nobody else would think to ask for such a worthless thing unless they were trolling.
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Well, this being a game as much as a flight sim, I don't think exact specifications and methodologies are necessary just for radar. A simple solution (25 mile diameter), similar to what we have now on mobile CVs but available as a loadout on goons or mosquitos would work fine.
Btw, I don't think bar dar was a radar type in WWII either. I am not wishing for anything complicated, just a similar mobile radar as CVs have now, but on an aeroplane and/or a GV.
C-47s didn't carry an airborne radar set and the early airborne radar carried by planes were very limited in range and power. Planes would be vectored by ground control until they were close enough to use their airborne radar to find the bandit. They weren't used to plug gaps in radar coverage, early airborne radar didn't work that way.
Slapping a radar on a GV wouldn't be easy as none of the vehicles we have were used to carry mobile radar.
British Mobile Radar
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/83/images/113448062316950115356_1.jpg)
British mobile CHL Radar
(http://www.radarpages.co.uk/mob/images/type11.jpg)
*Note: due the large gap in overhead coverage, this mobile setup had less than satisfactory results.
US mobile radar
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l366/PRACHUAP/RadarandGPU.jpg)
ack-ack
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C-47s didn't carry an airborne radar set and the early airborne radar carried by planes were very limited in range and power. Planes would be vectored by ground control until they were close enough to use their airborne radar to find the bandit. They weren't used to plug gaps in radar coverage, early airborne radar didn't work that way.
Slapping a radar on a GV wouldn't be easy as none of the vehicles we have were used to carry mobile radar.
British Mobile Radar
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/83/images/113448062316950115356_1.jpg)
British mobile CHL Radar
(http://www.radarpages.co.uk/mob/images/type11.jpg)
*Note: due the large gap in overhead coverage, this mobile setup had less than satisfactory results.
US mobile radar
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l366/PRACHUAP/RadarandGPU.jpg)
ack-ack
Good information... Maybe GV mobile based radar doesn't work... but I still wish for it and airborne radar on maybe Mosquitos or some other bomber type aeroplane. It would add to the fun in the game.
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Good information... Maybe GV mobile based radar doesn't work... but I still wish for it and airborne radar on maybe Mosquitos or some other bomber type aeroplane. It would add to the fun in the game.
Some F6F's had radar
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but I still wish for it and airborne radar on maybe Mosquitos or some other bomber type aeroplane. It would add to the fun in the game.
It would add nothing to the game, you wouldn't be able to use radar equipped planes to plug radar gap coverage if a base radar went down.
ack-ack
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IMO if a radar equipped plane was allowed to show a display to all friendlies with a smaller radar circle, then why not? If it was abel to carry all that wieght in radar equipment, it wouldnt be able to carry any armament, and therefore a fairly easy target unless defended, and we all know how hard it can be to defend an unarmed goon!
It would basically only be useful for a short range where any enemy aircraft would be either in visual range or just outside of visual range. I dont see any use here for plugging radar gaps. :noid
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IMO if a radar equipped plane was allowed to show a display to all friendlies with a smaller radar circle, then why not? If it was abel to carry all that wieght in radar equipment, it wouldnt be able to carry any armament, and therefore a fairly easy target unless defended, and we all know how hard it can be to defend an unarmed goon!
It would basically only be useful for a short range where any enemy aircraft would be either in visual range or just outside of visual range. I dont see any use here for plugging radar gaps. :noid
Here's a hint...the radar equipped planes weren't able to do that during WW2, they didn't act as mini-AWAC planes.
ack-ack
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Darn! shot down again by the Ack! :rofl
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Here's a hint...the radar equipped planes weren't able to do that during WW2, they didn't act as mini-AWAC planes.
ack-ack
But they did have auto-takeoff, stall limiters, text based damage reports, and bar dar, huh? :headscratch:
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But they did have auto-takeoff, stall limiters, text based damage reports, and bar dar, huh? :headscratch:
Apples and oranges.
ack-ack
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But they did have auto-takeoff, stall limiters, text based damage reports, and bar dar, huh? :headscratch:
they also had pilots that changed their call signs at will and would annoy the enemy with their spam.
semp
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they also had pilots that changed their call signs at will and would annoy the enemy with their spam.
semp
No, that's only here.
What a shame, too.
If we had Midway during the PTO, we could have given him a transmitter and a mic and the Japanese would have surrendered much sooner than they did.