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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on August 20, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
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For a Civic or Elantra Sedan? Honda costs a bit more but really looking at that price style range. Looking for a new car for the wife in the next two months or so that could be passed along to our daughter for college use in four years. I can do maintenance and also know some very good mechanics that do home work on the side. Maybe looking for a reliable 14-15 year car.
This is to replace a 1994 Saturn SL2 that we bought brand new and certainly got our money's worth.
Also considering Ford, Toyota and Mazda equivalents in economy sedans. No GM or Dodge for small cars.
Also researching as much as possible from a variety of sources. Any ideas or input?
Of course I'd rather buy American but heck some of these foreign named cars have more American in them than American cars.
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For a Civic or Elantra Sedan? Honda costs a bit more but really looking at that price style range. Looking for a new car for the wife in the next two months or so that could be passed along to our daughter for college use in four years. I can do maintenance and also know some very good mechanics that do home work on the side. Maybe looking for a reliable 14-15 year car.
This is to replace a 1994 Saturn SL2 that we bought brand new and certainly got our money's worth.
Also considering Ford, Toyota and Mazda equivalents in economy sedans. No GM or Dodge for small cars.
Also researching as much as possible from a variety of sources. Any ideas or input?
Of course I'd rather buy American but heck some of these foreign named cars have more American in them than American cars.
between honda and hyundai.....stick with the honda. also, give the ford fusion a look......customers of mine are very happy with theirs......and the new focus is pretty hot too.
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I like Honda. They seem to drive better, at least by my preferences. A bit firmer suspension and a more positive control feel. Even my honda minivan drives "tighter" than the small toyota sedans.
The last hyundai I drove had understeering so bad I felt like I wanted to get out and push. Or just walk. Maybe they're better now but I know that I really like how most honda cars drive.
I would say test-drive both. If the honda you like is too expensive, find a cheaper used one because they are generally very reliable and not terribly expensive to maintain.
I just sold a civic... Very very nice car, sad to see it go. If you can handle the extra cost, get one with the GPS nav. The GPS in our civic saved our butts countless times.
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I've had several Honda's. Out of all the cars I have owned they have the lowest cost of ownership...
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Look at reliabilitie and Honda is very good :old:
Japanese cares gave the best reliabilitie :old:
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For a Civic or Elantra Sedan? Honda costs a bit more but really looking at that price style range. Looking for a new car for the wife in the next two months or so that could be passed along to our daughter for college use in four years. I can do maintenance and also know some very good mechanics that do home work on the side. Maybe looking for a reliable 14-15 year car.
This is to replace a 1994 Saturn SL2 that we bought brand new and certainly got our money's worth.
Also considering Ford, Toyota and Mazda equivalents in economy sedans. No GM or Dodge for small cars.
Also researching as much as possible from a variety of sources. Any ideas or input?
Of course I'd rather buy American but heck some of these foreign named cars have more American in them than American cars.
If you're looking for 10+ year preowned Honda, look out carefully for rust. Especially early Accords and Preludes were infamous for having mostly paint left keeping the rust together :)
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Japan still trumps south korea in nearly every product they produce. South Korean products might be more economical, but you get a better product from japan 99.99% of the time.
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If you're looking for 10+ year preowned Honda, look out carefully for rust. Especially early Accords and Preludes were infamous for having mostly paint left keeping the rust together :)
I meant a car to own for 15 years.
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If you're looking for 10+ year preowned Honda, look out carefully for rust. Especially early Accords and Preludes were infamous for having mostly paint left keeping the rust together :)
i haven't seen a rusted out honda newer than about 1989.
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Both are pretty good cars..
Honda and reliability are synonymous, since the CB750..
But they were never without some weak point.. All cars have them..
The Hyundai has improved in the last ten years a great deal..
I remember reading that Hyundai gets tech support from Suzuki in
Japan now, some kind of partnership thing, there ya go..
I wonder if cars are even designed for 15yrs of service any more..
Gettin pretty disposable..
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We would definitely buy this car new because we plan to keep it for a long time. I want to make sure all of the routine maintenance is done correctly and on time from the beginning.
We paid off the 1994 Saturn in 3 years. Note that is subsequently 15 years of no car payment. It provided reliable transportation. That was a great deal.
This is why we are going through all of the due diligence.
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When the wife killed her Liberty we went SUV shopping.......Looked at the Honda CRV, Toyota RAV 4, Subaru Forester, The small Volkswagon SUV and the Chevy SUV. We drove all of them (each of us) and kept our opinions to ourselves so we wouldn't influence each other. We wrote our choices down and the Hyudai topped our lists. We were surprised at the results. We went and drove the Hyundai Santa Fe again and I knew as soon as the wife got behind the wheel and said oh sh&%, we had found our winner. We had owned a Hyundai back when they first came out and I have to say that they are light years ahead of where they were back then. We have been completely satisfied with it in the 2 years + that we have owned it. In my opinion Honda seems to have declined in the past few years (almost like they lost their way...I own a 2007 Ridgeline). the Hyundai 10 year 100,000 mile warranty is also a plus. we got a sunroof installed in here SF and the dealer gave us an Elantra as a loaner for free, have to say I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would.
I think alot of folks still have a bad impression of Hyundai from when they first came out over here.
any ways thats my 2 cents.
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got an 03 elantra that the guy hit a small pothole. the car dam near killed him. the p/s lower control arm was rusted. rusted enough that it bent just inboard of the ball joint. it nearly broke off there. he was lucky.
got an 06 elantra sitting in the lot right now. the guys son went over a speed bump a little too quick. he thought the kid bent a control arm. he didn't. the engine cradle(front subframe assembly) is rusted on the passengers side. rusted so badly, that it broke at a seam, and twisted. again, he was lucky.
that kind of stuff is enough to keep me away from them. there's no way a 9 year old car, or a 6 year old car should be rusted in such critical places as to nearly kill their owners. it would lead me to believe that there are substandard materials being used in the construction, or assembly of at least some of the parts........
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Both are very good cars quality-wise, check the fuel consumption and their price if that counts for you. The Hyundai improved a LOT in the last 3-4 years. The cars they currently sell in Europe are in par with any Japaneese product. The earlyer ones are much worse tho.
Also, my secret favourite, the Skoda Octavia, if its sold in the states. Its the same as the VW Golf/Jetta but 15% cheaper (here).
Good luck!
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If I was forced to get something like your looking at I'd get a Honda.
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We paid off the 1994 Saturn in 3 years. Note that is subsequently 15 years of no car payment. It provided reliable transportation. That was a great deal.
:aok :aok
Hear that loud and clear!
My regular work driver is a 90 Toyota 4 runner, still in
great shape because of no chemicals on our roads here..
Toy kept the same basic design for a decade, there are
umpteen millions of them still rollin..
I have 3 spare 4runners under tarps on the back 40 for parts..
Just can't get rid of it.. Who knows how long it will last..
That's gettin your money's worth!
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I suggest 2 wheel transportation. This little beauty is under 6K and will get you anywhere you need to go.
(http://www.rokon.com/web_images/MouseOver_Trailbreaker.jpg)
Sorry Debrody, Skoda isn't sold in the US.
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You have to test drive them .. buyin one on statistics alone would be a mistake.
Sometimes a car will just not feel right ..too hard steering, too much or too little road feel ..etc.
I have owned two life test unit Honda's (driven till they expired).
An '87 CRX followed by an '88 Civic hatchback.
Honda's invariably have a smaller motor, get better mileage, and do not get a lot of maintenance gigs over their lifespan.
They also handle like slot cars and can be quite a bit of fun to drive.
Toyota's to me felt like I was driving a truck.
Nissan just did not 'fit right' ..felt like I was shoe-horned in and everything was stiff.
Honda was just right, well balanced, fun to get sideways in the dirt with even.
(spent more than one afternoon out on Mojave dry lake just playin)
-Frank aka GE
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Test drive a couple of domestic cars before you make your final choice. I'm a fan of the Chevy Cruze myself. Nice car, well equipped, fun to drive, and looks pretty good as well.
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Im a Honda = Good guy. Test drive both if you haven't, espeialy if you haven't had expereince driving one before. As others have said, top of my list of "best handling" cars is Honda and Fords, and it can be a very noticable difference to many drivers.
Most notable thing is if this Honda is less than ~6-years old, is maintenance on it will be reasonable, and I find these newer Hondas have finally listened to us American's who have complained for 20+ years about not being able to get a hand and wrench into the engine compartment so you can change the oil or tinker with it yourself. I would definetley glance under each of these car's hood for a comparison and I'm betting the Honda will seem more attractive if you like the idea of being able to change the oil yourself occasionaly.
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Check the VIN number on any car if it starts with a "j" made in Japan, "k" Korea. I buy suzuki cars because they are about 1000, to 1500 cheaper then Toyota/Honda but SAME quality.
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Check the VIN number on any car if it starts with a "j" made in Japan, "k" Korea. I buy suzuki cars because they are about 1000, to 1500 cheaper then Toyota/Honda but SAME quality.
if you google it, you'll find that often there could be numbers in place of those letters.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number
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havent run a hyundai but had one honda, 12yr old 95k civic 1.4 great engineering and great build - everything still worked well and nothing squeaked or rattled. economical and surprisingly fun to drive, cost me £250 and I redlined it for 2yrs with no problems. my mates father inlaw was looking for a car so I gave it to him (hes an ex tyrell and maclaren F1 engineer and he liked it too) :aok
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havent run a hyundai but had one honda, 12yr old 95k civic 1.4 great engineering and great build - everything still worked well and nothing squeaked or rattled. economical and surprisingly fun to drive, cost me £250 and I redlined it for 2yrs with no problems. my mates father inlaw was looking for a car so I gave it to him (hes an ex tyrell and maclaren F1 engineer and he liked it too) :aok
a friend of mine, who also happens to be a customer, bought a 94 civic from another customer of mine, who also happens to be a friend. it's in good shape, runs well, a/c works, etc. it was given to marie by her grandmother, and she had it for years. kali's had it for about 2 years now, and it has performed flawlessly. till she went 100mph for awhile on the pa turnpike.
she said that the CEL came on, it started overheating, and started making a funny whining noise. she drove it like that for 25 miles to the nearest rest stop, and as she pulled in, it shut itself off, and started smoking heavily from under the hood.
i went to her other mechanics shop(in her neighborhood), and picked it up, and towed it to my shop. the thing starts up perfectly. the scary/whining noise she heard was the back side of the plastic timing cover melted, and fell against the inside of the cam drive gear. the smoke was from the radiator that kind of self destructed. the engine runs smoothly still. it honestly looks like all i have to do, is remove the cam gear, fix/modify/remove/replace that timing cover back, toss in a new waterpump and timing belt, since i'll already be there, put in a new radiator, change the oil, and i think she's gonna be ok.
i can't believe she was going that dam fast in one of those things though.........
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she said that the CEL came on, it started overheating, and started making a funny whining noise ... she drove it like that for 25 miles
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:bhead
yea i know.......she got lucky though.
i had an 04 thunderturd a couple weeks ago. ever seen one of THOSE wrecks? a car that should never have been built with an engine that is so embarrassing, it's embarrassing to call it just embarrassing. all aluminum 3.9 liter v8. overheated. drove till it shut off. cracked the plastic thermostat adapter. needed that and a water pump. came back in a week overheating again. thanks to the warped head, or blown head gasket. and that lady's trying to tell me that 'cause it only has 39k miles, that it's impossible for it to have blown a head gasket. i tried explaining that when you heat aluminum that much......nothing's impossible.
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I drove Grand Cherokees for 14 years. When they removed 1.4" of headroom from the driver's side in 2005, thus making it impossible for me to fit in them, I abandoned Jeep and bought a Honda Pilot that had 43K miles on it.
OMG.. what a difference.. it's up to 111K miles and, I swear, it's like it's just gotten to be broken in. I absolutely love that beast. When my Grand Cherokees hit 100k miles, I was beset with $1000 oil changes. You know.. take it in,, change the oil, fix the window lift motor, replace the drivers side mirror.. any number of stupidly expensive stuff. ( $600 for a mirror???? you gotta be kidding! )
With the Pilot, I have the confidence to load it up and head across the country without worry it's gonna self destruct.
Today, I bought my daughter her first car.. a 1998 Honda Accord with 109k miles on it.. it, too, is now just barely broken in. They've already replaced the timing belt, and, aside from a couple body dents and hail dimples.. it's in awesome shape.. And, my GOD , that A/C blows some seriously cold air..
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I meant a car to own for 15 years.
Oh, ok then :)
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I drove Grand Cherokees for 14 years. When they removed 1.4" of headroom from the driver's side in 2005, thus making it impossible for me to fit in them, I abandoned Jeep and bought a Honda Pilot that had 43K miles on it.
OMG.. what a difference.. it's up to 111K miles and, I swear, it's like it's just gotten to be broken in. I absolutely love that beast. When my Grand Cherokees hit 100k miles, I was beset with $1000 oil changes. You know.. take it in,, change the oil, fix the window lift motor, replace the drivers side mirror.. any number of stupidly expensive stuff. ( $600 for a mirror???? you gotta be kidding! )
With the Pilot, I have the confidence to load it up and head across the country without worry it's gonna self destruct.
Today, I bought my daughter her first car.. a 1998 Honda Accord with 109k miles on it.. it, too, is now just barely broken in. They've already replaced the timing belt, and, aside from a couple body dents and hail dimples.. it's in awesome shape.. And, my GOD , that A/C blows some seriously cold air..
Up until in 1999 I drove a '86 Honda accord until it had 272,000 miles on it!! At which point the transmission needed to be rebuilt and it wasn't worth it (it was an automatic). Not to many automatic cars out there that do that... I will say, I believe the reliability issues with American cars have been worked out and they are much better than they were in the mid-90s... Cap would be a better person to provide info on that though.
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The only issues I've seen with hondas were the early to mid 1990s cars having rear control arm bushings that evaporated into nothingness and some later models pushing out the cam seals from blow-by........which was caused by lack of maintenance.
As far as nissans, I wear pants with 38 inch leg length and no problems fitting any nissan from a 1967 510 to a 240z.....up until the 350z (which I don't fit well) though some sunroof cars have a roof 4 inches thick which takes away some of the headroom.
I have a terrible time fitting the 3000GT VR4, the starion, and most other mitsubishi.
It seems all toyotas fit me okay.
I do have trouble fitting into some hondas.
I can't let the clutch fully up in a dodge viper and the corvette.
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you forgot about the dist. problems in the mid 80's to the early/mid 90's hondas. leaking oil into the dist., or bearings seizing.
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Lot of vehicles now go to low power when cel. Makes them pretty much undrivable.
Years back the computer mike make it run rough when cel.
Seems folks just kept on driving. lol
I recently had a short in a wire going to one of my injectors on my diesel. Dropped power... felt like weedeater engine under the hood. lol
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Lot of vehicles now go to low power when cel. Makes them pretty much undrivable.
Years back the computer mike make it run rough when cel.
Seems folks just kept on driving. lol
I recently had a short in a wire going to one of my injectors on my diesel. Dropped power... felt like weedeater engine under the hood. lol
uumm.....the computer didn't make the car run rough when the cel was on, but rather the cel was on due to the car running rough.
you dropped power, because you were down a cylinder, not because the computer lowered your power.
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uumm.....the computer didn't make the car run rough when the cel was on, but rather the cel was on due to the car running rough.
you dropped power, because you were down a cylinder, not because the computer lowered your power.
On diesels when a cel is on it'll go low power. It is not like the loss of one cylinder..... even though one cylinder in this case was pretty much gone. You can't even drive up a very gentle slope.
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I had a 93 Civic VX hatchback for 230,000. Then got a 2000 Civic till 04 and put 70,000 on it. Then had an 04 Acura TSX 04-07 for myself which to replaced with an 07 TL type S after a high tension power line let loose and crushed it. My wife has an 05 TSX till this day with 60k.my TLS has 98k and I plan to keep it till its dead.
We pay a bit more for the reliability and build quality.
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Most of the distributor oil problems stem from super long oil change intervals.
These long intervals are responsible for the degradation of valve stem seals, cam seals, and the distributor shaft seals.
I've seen cars with 25,000 miles on an oil change and actually had a maxima with a spun bearing that, after pulling the pan, I found what looked like pudding with a hole in the center from where the oil pickup exited.
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Just so you know .. I drove my lil Honda's quite a bit harder than 'Joe Public' ..ie:
My '87 CRX ran in C-stock in gymkhana events (placed 2nd first time out, a VW Fox won by 2 tenths)
.. I useda drive it 91 miles from my driveway to the parking lot where I worked ..then back another 91 miles .. 5-6 days a week.
There was a section of hiway from Victorville to Palmdale that was 20 miles dead straight
..2 lane blacktop out in the middle of nowhere that I drove to work an back.
I just floored it and held it until T intersection at the other end.
Because I could.
My CRX topped out at 127mph.
It was the last of the carb motors that Honda made.
My '88 Civic Hatchback topped out at 135mph.
Ya .. it was faster, got better mileage and was a bigger car altho not by much :)
Interestingly enough, my '88 Honda Shadow 1100cc topped out at 125mph ..
..it would go faster, but with no windshield it stopped being 'fun' at 100mph or so.
My '78 Gold Wing (Windjammer fairing) would putt right on up to 130mph ..
..it too would go faster
..but the frame started a wobble that progressively got worse and felt 'dangerous'
..ya .. even for me.
I ran Mobil 1 full synthetic in all, oily changes every 5 thousand miles
(you can go 7k tween oily changes according to the literature when Mobil 1 synthetic first came out, but .. that seems excessive :)
-Frank aka GE (-just sayin (tm Pasha))
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I have nothing to compare them to. The smallest vehicle, other than a motorcycle, that I have owned was a '67 mustang.
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I have nothing to compare them to. The smallest vehicle, other than a motorcycle, that I have owned was a '67 mustang.
know what's funny? i never thought they were small.....i've owned a half dozen or so 60's mustangs.......till i sat in one the other day. holy moly!! dam thing's tiny inside compared to my 012
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know what's funny? i never thought they were small.....i've owned a half dozen or so 60's mustangs.......till i sat in one the other day. holy moly!! dam thing's tiny inside compared to my 012
Yes the new ones are quite a bit larger and heavier.
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Yes the new ones are quite a bit larger and heavier.
you forgot faster. and quicker. and better braking. and better handling. :aok :neener:
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you forgot faster. and quicker. and better braking. and better handling. :aok :neener:
Ya know CAP, by the numbers, that is most likely true..
But they don't FEEL, NEAR as good doing it! :rock
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Ya know CAP, by the numbers, that is most likely true..
But they don't FEEL, NEAR as good doing it! :rock
heheheh....you ain't driven one yet then. i've driven the camaros and mustangs, of pretty much every generation. i gotta tell ya......this current generation is the best feeling to me of both. i liked my 89 fox body. i like driving my customers. i've driven the sn95's.....they suck. to me the 3rd and 4th gen camaros rate right with the sn95 mustangs......but the holden camaros, and the s197 mustangs......i'd venture to call them both poor mans supercars.
BTW....my absolute fav camaro is the 69 z28, and fav mustang is the 67/68 fastback. :aok
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I LIKE the way the oldies feel.. I grew up with them..
I've driven the new ones too.. Super techno, solid and fast, sure..
But the oldies still got it for me.. Just a matter of Taste..
SS396/4sp Camaro RED.. 68 Firebird 400/4sp Blue.. 68 cougar 390/Toploader XR7 Black,
wifes cars, 66 Impala Convertible 427/4sp White, 68 Olds 442/400/4sp Canary Yellow..
Many Many more drivers.. They come and they go..
Hell, in the 70's we had matching Red Trans/Ams, LOL!
Make me feel silly now, we laugh about it..
We've been in the car biz our whole lives.. Packed it in years ago,
moved to the woods.. Livin the Country life now..
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I LIKE the way the oldies feel.. I grew up with them..
I've driven the new ones too.. Super techno, solid and fast, sure..
But the oldies still got it for me.. Just a matter of Taste..
SS396/4sp Camaro RED.. 68 Firebird 400/4sp Blue.. 68 cougar 390/Toploader XR7 Black,
wifes cars, 66 Impala Convertible 427/4sp White, 68 Olds 442/400/4sp Canary Yellow..
Many Many more drivers.. They come and they go..
Hell, in the 70's we had matching Red Trans/Ams, LOL!
Make me feel silly now, we laugh about it..
We've been in the car biz our whole lives.. Packed it in years ago,
moved to the woods.. Livin the Country life now..
my 69 couger had the 351 with that dam fmx slushbox. my 67/68 mustangs all had 289's or 302's with automatics. they all ran well. my ford truck had a 351m in it.....that sucked, although it did have decent torque. my friends camaros all had smallblocks. his 68 ended up getting the 400 out of my chevy truck. that woke that car up.
you don't make yer grandma ride on a chair up on the back of yer car now, do ya? :D :neener:
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my 69 couger had the 351 with that dam fmx slushbox. my 67/68 mustangs all had 289's or 302's with automatics. they all ran well. my ford truck had a 351m in it.....that sucked, although it did have decent torque. my friends camaros all had smallblocks. his 68 ended up getting the 400 out of my chevy truck. that woke that car up.
you don't make yer grandma ride on a chair up on the back of yer car now, do ya? :D :neener:
We always had a thing for 4 speed cars..
LOL, the Impala had enough back seat room to have an Orgy at the Drive in..
But it would snap U/joints by looking hard at it.. Ahhh, those were the days!
We ain't that far gone yet, LOL!
Thinkin back, one of FAV cars, was an odd one.. 78 Monza GT Hatchback V8
Built 355 SB chevy with Super T10 close ratio.. Airdam on the front, flares over
fat 60's, Z28 style rear spoiler, and a shaker from a Trans Am.. Black with gold stripes..
That car was a Blast, we called it the head hunter..
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I have nothing to compare them to. The smallest vehicle, other than a motorcycle, that I have owned was a '67 mustang.
thats a shame, you've missed out on half the fun of driving :(
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We always had a thing for 4 speed cars..
LOL, the Impala had enough back seat room to have an Orgy at the Drive in..
But it would snap U/joints by looking hard at it.. Ahhh, those were the days!
We ain't that far gone yet, LOL!
Thinkin back, one of FAV cars, was an odd one.. 78 Monza GT Hatchback V8
Built 355 SB chevy with Super T10 close ratio.. Airdam on the front, flares over
fat 60's, Z28 style rear spoiler, and a shaker from a Trans Am.. Black with gold stripes..
That car was a Blast, we called it the head hunter..
one of my first jobs in the auto field, i got to do a tune up on one of those heaps. the guys thought i was gonna quit. they thought it'd take me half the day to do the plugs. they were wrong on both counts. :devil
to be honest, i thought the monza was a kind of hot lookin' car.
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one of my first jobs in the auto field, i got to do a tune up on one of those heaps. the guys thought i was gonna quit. they thought it'd take me half the day to do the plugs. they were wrong on both counts. :devil
to be honest, i thought the monza was a kind of hot lookin' car.
Ah yes, I see you are familiar with the V8 Monza.. LOL!
Try putting headers in one, and maintaining them.. Grrrrrrrrr!
The fastback looked great with the ground effects goodies..
The FORD equivalent, woulda been the MustangII Cobra351..
Good car too! Both had the weak 4speed problem, RAD was worse than the Sag!
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I used a super long extension and went in through the wheelwell to change plugs on the monza.
The problem with the monza was engine mounts that sagged only a few years out and allowed the front pulley to contact the sway bar which caused the belts to rub on the sway bar causing them to go belly up in surrender.
Yes, they actually turned upside down.
The iron case saginaw transmissions were actually pretty good.
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I used a super long extension and went in through the wheelwell to change plugs on the monza.
The problem with the monza was engine mounts that sagged only a few years out and allowed the front pulley to contact the sway bar which caused the belts to rub on the sway bar causing them to go belly up in surrender.
Yes, they actually turned upside down.
The iron case saginaw transmissions were actually pretty good.
Thru holes on the wheelwell, right! Yeah replaced the mounts with the engine..
This was a 265/saginaw to start with.. The 355 snapped the input shaft..
Replaced with the Vette Trans.. Then snapped the pinion, on the stock 3.43 posi diff..
Changed to Richmond 3.93.. Knew the real cure was a 9inch, but sold the car
before I got that far..
The New Owner Wrecked it a month later.. Pity! :bhead
Yeah the sags were in every GM muscle car made, as the standard 4sp option..
Unless ya sprang extra $$$$ for the Close ratio Muncie or Super T10..
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i've been fortunate. the first monza v8 i worked on was in fact the only one i ever have worked on.
just to be different, it wuold be cool to get my hands on one, and drop a fuel injected small block, with a 6 speed manual in it though.
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We ended up buying a brand new 2012 Honda Civic Sedan. Managed a great deal as well. It pays to negotiate and shop around.
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We ended up buying a brand new 2012 Honda Civic Sedan. Managed a great deal as well. It pays to negotiate and shop around.
YOU will not be disappointed.
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We ended up buying a brand new 2012 Honda Civic Sedan. Managed a great deal as well. It pays to negotiate and shop around.
:aok
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i've been fortunate. the first monza v8 i worked on was in fact the only one i ever have worked on.
just to be different, it wuold be cool to get my hands on one, and drop a fuel injected small block, with a 6 speed manual in it though.
Well yes, maintaining it was one of the reasons I sold it..
No matter how fun it is, it became a chore to keep it up to snuff..
Most of the V8 Monza got wrecked, or butchered up for drag racing..
Just don't see them any more.. All crushed shredded and reborn as Toyotas..
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on a seperate note....would you believe i saw a mercury bobcat going past my shop the other day? and that there's a chevy chevette still on the road?
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Chevette with that odd driving position.. Felt like the steering wheel was cockeyed.. Funny...
Bobcat, lol! 2000 2300 or German V6??? PINTO, the wife was saying that earlier..
Do you remember Bob Glidden running a Pinto with full boogie Cleveland in NHRA ProStock???
When they still had the displacement rule... Cool!
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Chevette with that odd driving position.. Felt like the steering wheel was cockeyed.. Funny...
Bobcat, lol! 2000 2300 or German V6??? PINTO, the wife was saying that earlier..
Do you remember Bob Glidden running a Pinto with full boogie Cleveland in NHRA ProStock???
When they still had the displacement rule... Cool!
man could that thing leave.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9BglFQAUIU
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There was a Pinto useda show up at LACR runnin a turbo on that 2000cc motor.
12" slicks looked *huge* on that car.
It was always primered, would blast out a mid-9 ET.
Had license plates on it.
Amazin to watch.
Was also a nice altered roadster named 'Baby Huey'
..Hemi powered and also a blast to watch.
Good times.
-Frank aka GE