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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: icepac on August 23, 2012, 11:36:42 AM
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Dodge Aspen/Volare:
These cars were hated for so long that nobody recognized thier coolness (and power to weight ratio) until they suddenly became valuable.
Good luck finding one now.
Here's one with "the petty kit" and was available at the dealership in this trim.
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3621/981/21550490001_large.jpg)
The Volare super coupe
(http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com/f/26580248/mopp_0801_14+classic_mopar_project_cars+1978_plymouth_volare_super_coupe.jpg)
Aspen R/T or Volare Roadrunner.
(http://images.canadianlisted.com/nlarge/1976-80-aspen-volare-roadrunner-r-t_5323173.jpg)
A wagon would be cool.
(http://www.imcdb.org/i001049.jpg)
Soft corinthian leather?
(http://pics.imcdb.org/0is35/049mrp.7308.jpg)
Don't hate on the wagon with "wagon wheels" .....it won't end well for you unless your last name is "Kirk".
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k213/stephcl2000/hats/khan2.jpg)
AMC cars also went from zero to hero and gone in a very short time.
AMC spirit AMX
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/1980_AMC_AMX_black_right_side-NY.jpg/800px-1980_AMC_AMX_black_right_side-NY.jpg)
AMC Hornet AMX........nearly impossible to make this car look good and the hatchback AMX is as good as it got.
(http://www.all-car-brands.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/amc_hornet_amx.jpg)
AMC concord AMX......also nearly impossible to make this car look good.
(http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/amc-concord-amx/amc-concord-amx-06.jpg)
Don't forget AMC's specialty.......AWD as found in the Eagle SX4.
(http://theamcpages.com/images/sx4/2557750_2_full.jpg)
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No Javelin? :D
The words Volare and Roadrunner should never again be mentioned in the same universe
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i liked the javelins, and amx's from the early 70's.
anyone remember what AMC meant?
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AMC Gremlin All the Way
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(http://www.thingsnerdslike.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kirk-yelling-khan.jpg)
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i liked the javelins, and amx's from the early 70's.
anyone remember what AMC meant?
American Motor Company?
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AMC Gremlin All the Way
you mean the "X", right?
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American Motor Company?
hehehehehe.....nope
AlMost a Car
:devil
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
there's a guy in lawnside that i generally see driving a gremlin x every summer. i haven't seen that car this summer though.....
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hehehehehe.....nope
AlMost a Car
:devil
:rofl
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This thread title reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw on a 90s Ford Expedition this past weekend:
"0 to 60 in 5 miles"
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
My eyes my eyes!!!! I'm blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bolt: :devil
Sad part is I remember when all of these cars came out!!!!! :rofl
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STt9dqPsFTE
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Some more cars that went from invisible to super rare.
If you are wondering why I am ignoring the easy ones like the grand national and the turbo trans am (both of them), it's because they are already well known.
Buick Lesabre Turbo Sport Coupe
(http://www.auctionsamerica.com/images/lots/SC12/SC12_r359_01.jpg)
Notice the am/fm/cb radio as delivered by the factory and the interior color that surely has provoked some aggressive driving.....which explains why it is turbocharged.
(http://forums.aaca.org/attachments/f119/34417d1249843974-78-lesabre-turbo-sport-coupe-img_3755-1.jpg)
(http://forums.aaca.org/attachments/f119/34416d1249843974-78-lesabre-turbo-sport-coupe-img_3754-1.jpg)
Buick Riviera T-type turbo.
As in the earlier gm turbo cars, it got a carbureted V6 but the last couple of years got the injected turbo V6 that made the grand national famous........but it's front drive.
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/52800/85buick52863-1.jpg)
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/52800/85buick52863-6.jpg)
Buick Century turbo coupe.
(http://www.deansgarage.com/media/79CenturyTurboCoupe1.jpg)
Chevrolet Monte Carlo turbo sport coupe.
(http://autopolis.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/80-montecarlo-tb.jpg)
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the majority of them went to super rare, 'cause they went to the junkyards.
also, whoever put the number 43 on that first picture should be shot with wet macaroni.
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Guess you would be shooting Richard Petty himself.
It remained the highest performing dodge car for a while with a 360 and 8 inch wide wheels.
(http://www.tomlaferriere.com/CarsForSale/RichardPetty/2934548270044764569iDaeCO_fs.jpg)
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wow. guess he smelled the dollar signs on that one.........
wait.....it just hit me......wasn't that around the time when he was getting co poisoning from the cars? that would explain a lot....... :devil
oh...and what was that 360 rated at? around 160hp?
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Morris Major Elite. I learned to drive in one of these and all my friends with Toranas, Monaros and Falcons used to rag on me about it. I would love one now.
(http://www.nextcar.com.au/e.i.2005.mfs.Morris.Major.Elite.1962.blue.JPG)
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Aspen R/T.. Sister in law, bought one new! White, 360 with a Carter 2bbl, 904 and 2.76 gear.. OH BOY!
And that computer command in the side of the air cleaner housing.. Need I say more???
But did you SEE the sacrilege, of putting the Daytona Charger name,
On a Stinkin CORDOBA???? With 2tone paint that made me wanna PUKE???
Still makes me Ill!
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The aspen/volare super coupes were normally supplied with either a 2 barrel 360 at 160hp or a 4 barrel version witi 170 horsepower rating.....and a huge amount of torque.
The car magazines noted that they had both higher top speeds and better quarter mile times than the L82 corvette making them among the fastest production cars made in 1978.
Some people in the know were able to order the police interceptor engine package with around 225hp.
They also came with a suregrip differential.
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
Mrs. Shida loves the AMC Pacer :lol
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Mrs. Shida loves the AMC Pacer :lol
I like the Gremlin
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I believe Amos Johnson (of team highball RX7 fame) won the IMSA RS series championship in a gremlin.
My co-workers at datsun dynamics raced alongside amos and mentioned that the cars were limited by a chokingly small carburetor so they simply drilled holes under the manifold and jetted the carb extremely rich.
They would not idle.
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Dont believe this wasnt posted yet
Behold.....The Ford Maverick
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/ford-maverick-04.jpg)
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and it looks to be a grabber.
i had a 74 250 straight 6, automatic, am radio, bias ply tires. it was actually a pretty cool and fun car.
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Dont believe this wasnt posted yet
Behold.....The Ford Maverick
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/ford-maverick-04.jpg)
Grabber Mavericks Rock, Falcons too! :aok
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I'm trying to stay with the mid-70s to mid-80s theme of american market cars that somehow slipped under the radar and are obscure and possibly extinct by now.
Comet GT.....available with V8 and manual transmission like the maverick grabber.......though not all grabbers were V8s.
(http://www.theultimate-carcollection.com/DealerImages/1_438.jpg)
Shelby of mexico offered mavericks but it is not american market but it is worth noting.
(http://www.maverick.to/shelbydemexico/shelbydemexico2.jpg)
Mavericks weren't the only pedestrian cars that ford jazzed up with super rare options that also slipped under the radar of most.
The Granada/monarch/versailles cars were relatively advanced for thier time with options of 4 wheel disc brakes available as well as a performance handling package that involved a faster ratio power steering, addition of a rear sway bar, and very thick front sway bars.
Ford made the mistake of comparing the Granada to a mercedes of similar looks.
(http://www.americangranada.com/gallery/ad-1.jpg)
Mercedes countered with a picture showing the underside of both cars contrasting the sophisticated suspension system as compared to the granada which looked very similar to ford cars of the 1960s.
Of course, we all know that the supposedly unsophisticated solid axle fords overachieved in handling and still do to this day.
The granada ESS.
(http://www.productioncars.com/send_file.php/ford_granada_ess_2d_white_1978.jpg)
The mercury cougar was a well known car and not really qualified for the thread title because of thier popularity but a couple of models were rare versions such as the 1973 XR7 with the 351 cobrajet (one of the last uses of the cobrajet name on an engine).
Same goes for the ranchero and the fox body mustang/cougar/fairmont/zephyr which are already well known in most every trim level.
Ford Capri is from ford of europe and they got all the good stuff and were also common in the few trim levels they were offered in north america.
Lincoln had some unusual models with the MK VII available with a BMW turbo diesel.
(http://www.classiclincolns.com/Gallery/albums/1MRBP98L7EY678323/ae_3.sized.jpg)
The mustang II was a common car but it had some rare options near the end of it's production run with the "cobra II" appearance package followed by the "king cobra" which was only available with a V8.
Sadly, most every mustang II body/frame was used up by the kit car manufacturers and racers by the middle of the 1990s.
(http://mustangsandmore.com/memberpages2/regalsnake7887_g.jpg)
The SVO mustang is worth mentioning but it was always a hero car and never slipped under the radar.
The Merkur XR4ti had the same drivetrain as the SVO mustang but also got pretty big press and I still see them often in the junkyards.......hardly rare as I will see two today as I do my normal friday walkthrough at the two huge salvage yards near me.
I'm off to score some harnesses and ECUs for the Nissan turbo specialty stuff I build.
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the mustang ii with a decent power plant would've been a half way decent car.
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Mustang II King Cobra would have been close to my V8 Monza in the same time period..
Remember the last 74 GTO??
Built on the Ventura Chassis, 400HO and optional 4sp..
Olds had the Rallye Omega with a 350 and option 4sp..
Nova SS was still OK in those years with a 350/4sp
All had taken a performance hit from lowered compression
and added weight, but they still had the basics elements..
They were easily "Pumped"..
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Don't forget the Fish Bowl on wheels! Had one w 6cyl and 4 on the floor. :aok
(http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy35/mjmoore530/amc-pacer.jpg)(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p90/mj1220mj/AMC_Pacer_05.jpg)
My parents rented one when i was 10 before we left for over seas
i hated it.
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Crazy lightning postponed the junkyard visit.
I guess you're thinking along the same lines as I had already saved picture addresses of the cars you mentioned except the omega ralleye.
Ponitac Ventura GTO.....granddad had one.......got horrible mileage but was very fast.
This one is a super rare hatchback.
(http://www.pontiacventura.com/ventura_images/1974ventura_gto_pics/GGGfrontopen.jpg)
Buick Apollo GSX
(http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/93d8cf9f8002f5dc120732297f076a17/l.jpg)
I would think there were a few olds omega 442s around but maybe they did with the ralleye.
Another rarity is the pontiac Can-am.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k259/tlake_2006/PontiacCanAm77.jpg)
Chevrolet laguna S3
(http://www.hemmings.com/story_image/131060-500-0.jpg?rev=2)
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THAT Bottom picture looks like a cross eyed camaro, and a chrysler cordoba mated.....and the result is in the picture. :uhoh
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Anyone forget the Rebel by AMC?
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Anybody here owned an AMC Pacer, or would no one admit it anyway? :lol
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amc is i think the one brand i've never owned one of.
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the mustang ii with a decent power plant would've been a half way decent car.
You are being VERY generous unless the 1/2 you are referring to is a decent power plant.
If that's the case I give you the Shelby Charger 2.2!
I bought one of these off the showroom floor and put almost 20K on it before I chopped down an oak tree with it. It would smoke a mid-80's Corvette 1/4 mile or top end. Just don't try to turn in any direction or you'll chop down a tree.
(http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/4362036-300-0.jpg?rev=3)
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amc is i think the one brand i've never owned one of.
I had a '77 Jeep Wagoneer. The only problems with it were the GM engine and transmission.
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Anybody here owned an AMC Pacer, or would no one admit it anyway? :lol
I drove one, once. I hit a bump in the road and the gauge lenses, covering the tachometer and speedometer popped out of the dash. That was my only driving experience with any AMC cars. I raced against a fair number of them though.
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I drove one, once. I hit a bump in the road and the gauge lenses, covering the tachometer and speedometer popped out of the dash. That was my only driving experience with any AMC cars. I raced against a fair number of them though.
when we started running the camaro that i've pictured before, it took me awhile till i started going rounds. the first car i put on the trailer was a 70 amx. :devil
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Dont believe this wasnt posted yet
Behold.....The Ford Maverick
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/ford-maverick-04.jpg)
I loved my ford mavericks. They were reliable and the straight 6's were super easy to maintain and even repair if necessary.
I had 3 74's 2 had 250's, 1 had a 200. I later bought a 76 Maverick Stallion with a 302 and with manual on floor.
One of the 74's was a grabber with a 250, If I am not mistaken the Stallion had disc brakes - so that would have made it my first car with disc brakes and my first car with air conditioning!
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Here ya go.......Cosworth Vega
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/imagesCAYW98RH.jpg)
Vega GT
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/Vega.jpg)
Mr NN,
My dad loved his Maverick.......drove it until it was rust on wheels, then donated it to the local Fire dept to practice using their new Jaws Of Life tool :lol
His car after that was a 77 Mercury Marquis 4dr. It Sat 4 in the front, 4 in the back, and 6 in the trunk.......Parking that monster was like docking a Battleship in a pond.
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I drove one, once. I hit a bump in the road and the gauge lenses, covering the tachometer and speedometer popped out of the dash. That was my only driving experience with any AMC cars. I raced against a fair number of them though.
:lol Let's just call that a feature Skuzzy. Mrs Shida has unusual but interesting taste in automobiles. I should show her a picture of a Cobra.
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:lol Let's just call that a feature Skuzzy. Mrs Shida has unusual but interesting taste in automobiles. I should show her a picture of a Cobra.
My Wife's current auto cravings are the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S Coupe, the Ferrari FF, the Maserati GranTurismo S, or the Bentley Continental GT Speed.
I need a couple more jobs.
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My Wife's current auto cravings are the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S Coupe, the Ferrari FF, the Maserati GranTurismo S, or the Bentley Continental GT Speed.
I need a couple more jobs.
I got to drive a 2007 Bentley GT back in '08. Had what can only can be described as a "cargasm".
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Here ya go.......Cosworth Vega
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/imagesCAYW98RH.jpg)
Vega GT
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/Vega.jpg)
Mr NN,
My dad loved his Maverick.......drove it until it was rust on wheels, then donated it to the local Fire dept to practice using their new Jaws Of Life tool :lol
His car after that was a 77 Mercury Marquis 4dr. It Sat 4 in the front, 4 in the back, and 6 in the trunk.......Parking that monster was like docking a Battleship in a pond.
My 76 vega was my second car I bought. Loved it and had big plans for it till an LTD t-boned it and sent it to the scrap yard.
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/WP_000146.jpg)
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You are being VERY generous unless the 1/2 you are referring to is a decent power plant.
If that's the case I give you the Shelby Charger 2.2!
I bought one of these off the showroom floor and put almost 20K on it before I chopped down an oak tree with it. It would smoke a mid-80's Corvette 1/4 mile or top end. Just don't try to turn in any direction or you'll chop down a tree.
(http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/4362036-300-0.jpg?rev=3)
I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph. Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).
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(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx185/XxXarcticatXxX/7380470118_large.jpg) Behold the Olds Omega! I drove this car untill it rusted out from under me. Not this car, but one like it.
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I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph. Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).
I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.
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I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.
The WRX's handling is no great shakes. You really need a benchmark as the standard. For street cars, you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Porsche Boxter S, which is a great benchmark. The Shelby GLHS was a street legal racer, with just 500 built. Fastest car made in America in 1986... Can still dominates its class in autocross after 26 years.
(http://www.turbododge.com/forums/attachments/transmission-suspension-brakes-tires-wheels/22657d1181153909-check-out-my-different-wheels-my-shelby-glhs-whips-gt350.jpg)
(http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20120511/CARNEWS03/511009998/PH/1/7/Dodge-Omni-GLHS.jpg)
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You are being VERY generous unless the 1/2 you are referring to is a decent power plant.
If that's the case I give you the Shelby Charger 2.2!
I bought one of these off the showroom floor and put almost 20K on it before I chopped down an oak tree with it. It would smoke a mid-80's Corvette 1/4 mile or top end. Just don't try to turn in any direction or you'll chop down a tree.
(http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/4362036-300-0.jpg?rev=3)
not really. they stopped decently, handled rather nicely for the time, and at least the 2.3 liter ones were very reliable. agonizingly slow, but reliable.
also, if i'm not mistaken, i believe it was one of the very first american cars to use rack and pinion steering.
actually, now that i'm thinking about it, wasn't the ford fox chassis the first modern american car to use macpherson struts?
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I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.
a customer of mine has a wrx with a few mods. he had it dyno'd. just a tad over 540hp to the tires.
got another customer with an 06 forester gt. few weeks ago, we just installed koni's all around, lowering springs, cross drilled rotors, and front and rear cross braces. the thing went from almost slot car handling, to slot car handling. he just stopped by the shop yesterday with the biggest smile on his face i've seen in my 15 years dealing with him.....he installed a "Canned" tune, and is ecstatic over the performance increase.
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I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph. Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).
wasn't there one of those shelby chryslers that a magazine entered in a 0-100-0 contest against the mustang and camaro.....and it couldn't make it to 100?
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The WRX's handling is no great shakes. You really need a benchmark as the standard. For street cars, you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Porsche Boxter S, which is a great benchmark. The Shelby GLHS was a street legal racer, with just 500 built. Fastest car made in America in 1986... Can still dominates its class in autocross after 26 years.
(http://www.turbododge.com/forums/attachments/transmission-suspension-brakes-tires-wheels/22657d1181153909-check-out-my-different-wheels-my-shelby-glhs-whips-gt350.jpg)
(http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20120511/CARNEWS03/511009998/PH/1/7/Dodge-Omni-GLHS.jpg)
:rofl
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I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph. Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).
Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1983 Dodge Omni GLH 0-60 mph 9.3 Quarter mile 17.0
1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo 0-60 mph 8.0 Quarter mile 16.0
Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.6
1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Dodge Shelby CSX 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.2
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Dodge spirit R/T did the quarter mile in 14.5 with it's "turbo III" engine which featured a lotus 4 valve head.
(http://www.bestautophoto.com/images/tuning-dodge-spirit-04.jpg)
That engine package was also available with a cosworth designed head for the chrysler TC (maserati) but was rated only at 200hp though I did dyno one last year in a charger that put down 448hp.
It was pretty scary on the dyno.
I had a shelby CSX-T but they smartly went with less boost than the GLH-S to make them live since all were thrifty rental cars.
The wheels were plastic!!!
I still have the window sticker somewhere.
(http://www.shelbycsx.com/history/birthday/groupsantefesprings.jpg)
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wasn't there one of those shelby chryslers that a magazine entered in a 0-100-0 contest against the mustang and camaro.....and it couldn't make it to 100?
I never saw any such test... The Mustang GT and IROC Camaro of the same vintage as the '86 GLHS were easily outclassed in a straight line, and utterly helpless against it on a road course. In fact, to turn a faster lap time at Lime Rock in a street car of the time, you'd need a Ferrari faster than a 328 GTS. Porsche? You'd need a 944 Turbo S to be able to keep up.
I have an original copy of that Hot Rod Magazine, where the GLHS humiliated the Mustang the Shelby club brought out to race against it. Carroll Shelby invited the club to come out and bring their fastest GT-350. They did, and regretted it too. After the upgrade, mine made 50 hp more than stock... 8.7 lb/per HP. The 2012 WRX has a power to weight ratio of 12.1 lb/per HP. Anyone still think that the bloated, overweight 265 hp WRX can keep up? Think again.
The GLHS had Konis or Bilteins (you could select either if they built yours to order), massive sway bars front and back. Generated .98G lateral on the Goodyears. On the scales at Lime Rock, it weighed in at 1956 lbs wet. That's 1,200 lbs lighter than a WRX. As it is, the WRX understeers like a bus with the factory suspension and rubber. No so the GLHS... Very neutral unless you bury your foot in it before the apex. Sure you could invest lots of money in the WRX to go faster than the GLHS, probably more money than the sticker price of the Shelby when new ($10,499, no options available).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWV0D5yrhxk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWV0D5yrhxk)
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My Wife's current auto cravings are the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S Coupe, the Ferrari FF, the Maserati GranTurismo S, or the Bentley Continental GT Speed.
I need a couple more jobs.
FF is the sensible choice, I think:
Ferrari FF review - CarBuyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T-DucFQ_WM)
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you sure 'bout that?
Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1983 Dodge Omni GLH 0-60 mph 9.3 Quarter mile 17.0
1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo 0-60 mph 8.0 Quarter mile 16.0
Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.6
1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Dodge Shelby CSX 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.2
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1982 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.9
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 0-60 mph 7.8 Quarter mile 15.6
1985 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.2
1988 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 15.0
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0L (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.6
:aok
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you sure 'bout that?
Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1983 Dodge Omni GLH 0-60 mph 9.3 Quarter mile 17.0
1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo 0-60 mph 8.0 Quarter mile 16.0
Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.6
1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Dodge Shelby CSX 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.2
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1982 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.9
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 0-60 mph 7.8 Quarter mile 15.6
1985 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.2
1988 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 6.3 15.0
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0L (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.6
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CAP, beating up Mustangs was just to get some heat in the tires....
My brother bought a new Mustang LX 5.0 in 1987. Lower gears and less weight made in a bit quicker than the GT. My GLHS, when stock, walked away from it. When the road turned twisty, the Mustang faded quickly. Crappy brakes, lousy chassis dynamics and tons of body roll.
I drove this thing on the street for four years, and raced it for eight more. We swapped in the 225 hp engine over the winter of 1990. A bigger turbo, with adjustable waste gate was added. I also added adjustable sway bar links front and rear, and replaced the adjustable Konis with new ones. The last change was new cross-drilled rotors and bigger calipers. It was virtually untouchable in autocross events. Had I kept the little beast, I was planning to install a 12 gallon fuel cell and a roll bar. However, I received an offer that was far more than I expected, so I sold it to a guy who trailered it to Savannah with the intent of going road racing. He loaded the car, took all of the spares (including the original 2.2 engine) and the original driver's seat. I never heard from him again.
Stop watch times from 0 to 60 were around 5.6 seconds. Over a measured 1/4 mile, we clocked times right at 14 seconds. Cranking the boost to 26 PSI, it ran a 13.7 at what we estimated to be just under 110 mph. We estimated because the speedo was an 85 mph unit, so I calculated based upon RPM. At that boost, she was probably pushing 300 hp. Unfortunately, the head gasket blew out adjacent to a water jacket passage and ingested exhaust gas into the cooling system, resulting in sharp rise in temperature. I shut it down and we rolled it to the trailer. That evening, I ran it in the garage until the thermostat opened. Revving the motor resulted in making bubbles in the header tank, confirming what I suspected. Drag racing the GLHS could often be frustrating. The street tires (I ran soft compound Toyos at the time) did poorly at controlling wheel spin, and this little beast would smoke the tires for a 100 yards if you didn't ease off the power. A set of Hoosiers (used for autocross) really helped, but too much grip without enough throttle would result in violent axle tramp. Getting just the right amount of wheel spin was important, and took no small amount of practice. Running SCCA SOLO events were great fun. The car's grip and balance allowed one to carry very fast exits speeds, and the mid range power was stunning.
My WRX was a great little car. All wheel drive really gives it tremendous bite off of the line. However, it was sloppy compared to the Shelby. Understeer was strong, and while you could use power to generate a nice four wheel drift, the WRX scrubbed speed off quickly and one had to get it largely straightened out to get full power down. Except for the 4 wheel drive hole shot advantage, the GLHS was much quicker everywhere.
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well here's what i can say on that.......stock to stock, my 83 or 89 never saw the back end of one of those. nor did my boss's or friends corvettes or camaros. the numbers above that i posted also don't line up with what you're saying. i'm thinking you were talking modified to stock to be honest, as also having driven them, i was able to understand why. working on any of them, from the basic to the higher end, pretty much made me hate em, although the 2.2 and 2.5 timing belts were pretty easy.
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Jockriding the mustang has blinded CAP.
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not at all. here's the camaro's times.
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 0-60 mph 9.4 Quarter mile 17.3
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.8
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 0-60 mph 9.2 Quarter mile 16.8
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 0-60 mph 9.9 Quarter mile 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.0
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter mile 14.7
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter mile 15.1
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.3
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.2
what has blinded me is the reality of what i experienced. :aok
now on that note, a co-workers 87 iroc only ran high 15's.
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well here's what i can say on that.......stock to stock, my 83 or 89 never saw the back end of one of those. nor did my boss's or friends corvettes or camaros. the numbers above that i posted also don't line up with what you're saying. i'm thinking you were talking modified to stock to be honest, as also having driven them, i was able to understand why. working on any of them, from the basic to the higher end, pretty much made me hate em, although the 2.2 and 2.5 timing belts were pretty easy.
Inasmuch as only 500 of the GLHS were built, I'd very much doubt that you ever saw one on the street. Most were sold in California and in the New York tri-state area. There were plenty of the GLH Turbos, but those were far less capable than the GLHS. I saw you posted 0-60 of 8.0 seconds for the GLH Turbo. However, that's way too slow. Typically, 7.3 to 7.6 seconds was where that little car ran. I'm thinking that you are confusing the GLH Turbo with the GLHS. The GLHS came in black only and was a much different beast than the common GLH Turbo.
My GLHS was very quick bone stock, and engineered to out-handle just about anything on the street. I was able to obtain a Turbo III set-up from a wrecked R/T (brand new car, had only 2,200 miles on it when run over by an oil delivery truck) and we transplanted it into the GLHS over the winter of 1990/91. A Stock Spirit R/T could run 0-60 mph in 5.8 seconds, according to an October 1990 Car and Driver road test. Now, put that engine and transaxle into a car weighing 900 lbs less and you can imagine that it was pretty dang quick. That transplant was not simple... Like any other engine swap, things you believed would fit, didn't. Wiring changes and motor mount adapters had to be fabricated. Many other details had to be addressed. In all, it took almost 5 months of evenings and weekends to get the GLHS on the road. In succeeding years, I added an aftermarket Shelby logic module, adjustable boost regulator, adjustable wastegate bleed and much more later. The stock Turbo III engine made 224/225 hp. It ran great on premium fuel, but required Sunoco 260 if I dialed up more boost. Custom blend race fuel if I really cranked it up. I replaced the factory Centurion wheels with American Racing wheels and bigger rubber. Head gaskets frequently failed with increased boost. Turbos would blow seals and become external oil pumps. When that happened, it looked like a mosquito control vehicle.
If you look, you may find one today. But most have been modified and many wrecked. Still, it's a great project car that will offer great performance for very little investment.
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Inasmuch as only 500 of the GLHS were built, I'd very much doubt that you ever saw one on the street. Most were sold in California and in the New York tri-state area. There were plenty of the GLH Turbos, but those were far less capable than the GLHS. I saw you posted 0-60 of 8.0 seconds for the GLH Turbo. However, that's way too slow. Typically, 7.3 to 7.6 seconds was where that little car ran. I'm thinking that you are confusing the GLH Turbo with the GLHS. The GLHS came in black only and was a much different beast than the common GLH Turbo.
My GLHS was very quick bone stock, and engineered to out-handle just about anything on the street. I was able to obtain a Turbo III set-up from a wrecked R/T (brand new car, had only 2,200 miles on it when run over by an oil delivery truck) and we transplanted it into the GLHS over the winter of 1990/91. A Stock Spirit R/T could run 0-60 mph in 5.8 seconds, according to an October 1990 Car and Driver road test. Now, put that engine and transaxle into a car weighing 900 lbs less and you can imagine that it was pretty dang quick. That transplant was not simple... Like any other engine swap, things you believed would fit, didn't. Wiring changes and motor mount adapters had to be fabricated. Many other details had to be addressed. In all, it took almost 5 months of evenings and weekends to get the GLHS on the road. In succeeding years, I added an aftermarket Shelby logic module, adjustable boost regulator, adjustable wastegate bleed and much more later. The stock Turbo III engine made 224/225 hp. It ran great on premium fuel, but required Sunoco 260 if I dialed up more boost. Custom blend race fuel if I really cranked it up. I replaced the factory Centurion wheels with American Racing wheels and bigger rubber. Head gaskets frequently failed with increased boost. Turbos would blow seals and become external oil pumps. When that happened, it looked like a mosquito control vehicle.
If you look, you may find one today. But most have been modified and many wrecked. Still, it's a great project car that will offer great performance for very little investment.
I know they were pretty quick cars.. Not our style, so were just inventory to us..
Agree with CAP about working on them.. Kinda poisoned me on the whole Chrysler
brand.. From Omni's on, to the whole line up.. I called them "All wrench cars", because
it took every wrench in your toolbox to work on them.. SAE, Asian Euro and US Metric,
all rolled in one.. Between the Omnis and Daytonas to the K Cars, I just loathed them..
Made a lot of money off them tho..
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If you want a mustang vs camaro vs all other cars pssing contest, you can author a thread but beware people with more experience than you.
Compare the 1986 GLH-S stats to a 1986 mustang or camaro.......or better yet, compare the mustangs and camaros of 1981 to the 280zx turbo which pulled off 15.1 quarter mile for the only magazine saavy enough to braketorque it before the launch.
I'm staying on american market cars made in america and there are more than a few left that qualify for the thread title.
Even the GLH had big press which kind of excludes it.
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I know they were pretty quick cars.. Not our style, so were just inventory to us..
Agree with CAP about working on them.. Kinda poisoned me on the whole Chrysler
brand.. From Omni's on, to the whole line up.. I called them "All wrench cars", because
it took every wrench in your toolbox to work on them.. SAE, Asian Euro and US Metric,
all rolled in one.. Between the Omnis and Daytonas to the K Cars, I just loathed them..
Made a lot of money off them tho..
Remember the carburated ones? :uhoh
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Oldsmobile Quad 442 is another one that slipped under the radar.....unless you raced in Firehawk or IMSA's where you had to watch them rack up 3 manufacturers championships with the first being in 1989.
This car came with a 190hp (w41) quad 4 engine that later was modified to put down enough horsepower to power A.J. Foyt in the Aerotech to 260mph.
(http://www.markviiclassiccars.com/images/vehicles/91OLDCUT1361.JPG)
Like many high strung engines of the time (1989) they had huge issues with longeivity in the form of head gasket failures which caused cracking after they overheated and oil pump issues that affected the timing chain rails and tensioners much like in the 240sx and nissan stanza.
(http://www.markviiclassiccars.com/images/vehicles/91OLDCUT13621.JPG)
Cool car and still competitive in SCCA's Improved touring classes but rare even there.
Here's the car that used the engine to take some speed records over 250mph.
(http://www.0-60mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/aerotech_1987.jpg)
And the engine......this is the 900hp version made by batten while there was a 1000hp version by Feuling engineering (correct spelling).....same guys who made a high quench head for the big block chevy that made over 700hp on 89 octane gasoline.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Quad4-900-2.JPG/800px-Quad4-900-2.JPG)
I'm running out of obscure optioned cars that got no love when they were new so it's either going on to include foreign makes as sold in US market or going pre-1970s.
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Oldsmobile Quad 442 is another one that slipped under the radar.....unless you raced in Firehawk or IMSA's where you had to watch them rack up 3 manufacturers championships with the first being in 1989.
This car came with a 190hp (w41) quad 4 engine that later was modified to put down enough horsepower to power A.J. Foyt in the Aerotech to 260mph.
(http://www.markviiclassiccars.com/images/vehicles/91OLDCUT1361.JPG)
Like many high strung engines of the time (1989) they had huge issues with longeivity in the form of head gasket failures which caused cracking after they overheated and oil pump issues that affected the timing chain rails and tensioners much like in the 240sx and nissan stanza.
(http://www.markviiclassiccars.com/images/vehicles/91OLDCUT13621.JPG)
Cool car and still competitive in SCCA's Improved touring classes but rare even there.
I'm running out of obscure optioned cars that got no love when they were new so it's either going on to include foreign makes as sold in US market or going pre-1970s.
YA KNOW? i always hated working on those engines, but the fact is that in my experience, they've always been super reliable. i never hesitate to tell a customer it's ok to buy one of those.......
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I was a technician at Brown Pontiac Subaru Nissan and hired as a Subaru technician.
When we ran out of subaru and nissan work, I was kept busy fixing the quad 4s.
At the dealership level you saw the issues that might not make it to the aftermarket.
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My Wife's current auto cravings are the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S Coupe, the Ferrari FF, the Maserati GranTurismo S, or the Bentley Continental GT Speed.
I need a couple more jobs.
You know it would probably be easier to get a new wife. :D
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Prettiest car ever, one season only.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/bt52.jpg)
Thank you, Gordon Murray.
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I had a '77 Jeep Wagoneer. The only problems with it were the GM engine and transmission.
My first one was a 1978 Jeep Cherokee Chief. Basically a shorter length 2 door model of the Wagoneer. My grandparents bought it new in '78 and gave it to me when I turned 16, needless to say I was shocked. That thing had the 360 V8 with full time 4WD. Yellow with black lettering, tan Levi's denim interior with the same buttons that came on the jeans and a beefed up solid steel bar brush guard grandpa had installed. Before I had it she was only driven in the winter when they left their house up on "the mountain". Sadly, salt corrosion took a toll on it and I only noticed after I had her for a little while. But, being that young and having that much power on hand was a great experience. Oh my god I loved that vehicle.
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I bought mine (well) used from a ranch in South Texas. It was 6 years old and looked in decent shape but the 401 had got hot before they sold it and it was a nightmare. If I wasn't having engine problems it was the Turbo400 Quadratrack. I had the transmission rebuilt 3 times before I sold it.
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I forgot about a special edition Gremlin that was supported by AMC brass to compete against Yenko and Shelby cars.
Car magazines pulled 13.9 quarter miles in this car.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/barbara1_02/img008.jpg)
(http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2012/06/Gremlin13.jpg)