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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2012, 06:08:37 PM »
Here ya go.......Cosworth Vega

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2012, 06:22:36 PM »
You are being VERY generous unless the 1/2 you are referring to is a decent power plant.
If that's the case I give you the Shelby Charger 2.2!
I bought one of these off the showroom floor and put almost 20K on it before I chopped down an oak tree with it. It would smoke a mid-80's Corvette 1/4 mile or top end. Just don't try to turn in any direction or you'll chop down a tree.
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I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph.  Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2012, 06:28:18 PM »
Behold the Olds Omega! I drove this car untill it rusted out from under me. Not this car, but one like it.
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2012, 06:35:35 PM »
I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph.  Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).

I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.

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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2012, 06:55:40 PM »
I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.

The WRX's handling is no great shakes. You really need a benchmark as the standard. For street cars, you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Porsche Boxter S, which is a great benchmark. The Shelby GLHS was a street legal racer, with just 500 built. Fastest car made in America in 1986... Can still dominates its class in autocross after 26 years.




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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2012, 07:40:30 PM »
You are being VERY generous unless the 1/2 you are referring to is a decent power plant.
If that's the case I give you the Shelby Charger 2.2!
I bought one of these off the showroom floor and put almost 20K on it before I chopped down an oak tree with it. It would smoke a mid-80's Corvette 1/4 mile or top end. Just don't try to turn in any direction or you'll chop down a tree.
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 not really. they stopped decently, handled rather nicely for the time, and at least the 2.3 liter ones were very reliable. agonizingly slow, but reliable.

 also, if i'm not mistaken, i believe it was one of the very first american cars to use rack and pinion steering.

 actually, now that i'm thinking about it, wasn't the ford fox chassis the first modern american car to use macpherson struts?
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2012, 07:45:17 PM »
I would like to see that....WRX is one of very few non American cars I would own.....drove one a bunch of times....nothing I have been in handles like that one did.

 a customer of mine has a wrx with a few mods. he had it dyno'd. just a tad over 540hp to the tires.

 got another customer with an 06 forester gt. few weeks ago, we just installed koni's all around, lowering springs, cross drilled rotors, and front and rear cross braces. the thing went from almost slot car handling, to slot car handling. he just stopped by the shop yesterday with the biggest smile on his face i've seen in my 15 years dealing with him.....he installed a "Canned" tune, and is ecstatic over the performance increase.
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2012, 07:46:05 PM »
I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph.  Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).

 wasn't there one of those shelby chryslers that a magazine entered in a 0-100-0 contest against the mustang and camaro.....and it couldn't make it to 100?
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2012, 07:47:31 PM »
The WRX's handling is no great shakes. You really need a benchmark as the standard. For street cars, you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Porsche Boxter S, which is a great benchmark. The Shelby GLHS was a street legal racer, with just 500 built. Fastest car made in America in 1986... Can still dominates its class in autocross after 26 years.

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2012, 07:55:32 PM »
I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS, bought new. Way quicker that the GLH or Charger. 175 hp vs 146 hp. We later dropped in a 225 hp 2.5 liter.. 0-60 in the mid 5s, 13.7 quarter mile. 156 mph.  Best autocross car I ever owned.. Even today, would eat a WRX for breakfast (I've owned one of those too).

Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1983 Dodge Omni GLH   0-60 mph 9.3   Quarter mile 17.0

1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo   0-60 mph 8.0   Quarter mile 16.0

Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.4   Quarter mile 14.6

1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.6   Quarter mile 14.7

1987 Dodge Shelby CSX   0-60 mph 6.9   Quarter mile 15.2
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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2012, 08:33:30 PM »
Dodge spirit R/T did the quarter mile in 14.5 with it's "turbo III"  engine which featured a lotus 4 valve head.



That engine package was also available with a cosworth designed head for the chrysler TC (maserati) but was rated only at 200hp though I did dyno one last year in a charger that put down 448hp.

It was pretty scary on the dyno.

I had a shelby CSX-T but they smartly went with less boost than the GLH-S to make them live since all were thrifty rental cars.

The wheels were plastic!!!

I still have the window sticker somewhere.

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2012, 09:23:43 PM »
wasn't there one of those shelby chryslers that a magazine entered in a 0-100-0 contest against the mustang and camaro.....and it couldn't make it to 100?

I never saw any such test... The Mustang GT and IROC Camaro of the same vintage as the '86 GLHS were easily outclassed in a straight line, and utterly helpless against it on a road course. In fact, to turn a faster lap time at Lime Rock in a street car of the time, you'd need a Ferrari faster than a 328 GTS. Porsche? You'd need a 944 Turbo S to be able to keep up.

I have an original copy of that Hot Rod Magazine, where the GLHS humiliated the Mustang the Shelby club brought out to race against it. Carroll Shelby invited the club to come out and bring their fastest GT-350. They did, and regretted it too. After the upgrade, mine made 50 hp more than stock... 8.7 lb/per HP. The 2012 WRX has a power to weight ratio of 12.1 lb/per HP. Anyone still think that the bloated, overweight 265 hp WRX can keep up? Think again.

The GLHS had Konis or Bilteins (you could select either if they built yours to order), massive sway bars front and back. Generated .98G lateral on the Goodyears. On the scales at Lime Rock, it weighed in at 1956 lbs wet. That's 1,200 lbs lighter than a WRX. As it is, the WRX understeers like a bus with the factory suspension and rubber. No so the GLHS... Very neutral unless you bury your foot in it before the apex. Sure you could invest lots of money in the WRX to go faster than the GLHS, probably more money than the sticker price of the Shelby when new ($10,499, no options available).  

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2012, 11:28:46 PM »
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FF is the sensible choice, I think:

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2012, 11:45:15 PM »
you sure 'bout that?

Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1983 Dodge Omni GLH   0-60 mph 9.3   Quarter mile 17.0

1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo   0-60 mph 8.0   Quarter mile 16.0

Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.4   Quarter mile 14.6

1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.6   Quarter mile 14.7


1987 Dodge Shelby CSX   0-60 mph 6.9   Quarter mile 15.2
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1982 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 7.4   Quarter mile 15.9

1984 Ford Mustang SVO    0-60 mph 7.8   Quarter mile 15.6

1985 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3   Quarter mile 14.7

1987 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3   Quarter mile 14.2


1988 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3 15.0

1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0L (Manual)   0-60 mph 6.1   Quarter mile 14.6

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Re: Cars that went from Zero to Hero and then gone.
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2012, 01:10:31 AM »
you sure 'bout that?

Dodge Omni 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1983 Dodge Omni GLH   0-60 mph 9.3   Quarter mile 17.0

1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo   0-60 mph 8.0   Quarter mile 16.0

Dodge Shelby 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times

1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.4   Quarter mile 14.6

1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS   0-60 mph 6.6   Quarter mile 14.7


1987 Dodge Shelby CSX   0-60 mph 6.9   Quarter mile 15.2
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1982 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 7.4   Quarter mile 15.9

1984 Ford Mustang SVO    0-60 mph 7.8   Quarter mile 15.6

1985 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3   Quarter mile 14.7

1987 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3   Quarter mile 14.2


1988 Ford Mustang GT   0-60 mph 6.3 15.0

1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0L (Manual)   0-60 mph 6.1   Quarter mile 14.6

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CAP, beating up Mustangs was just to get some heat in the tires....

My brother bought a new Mustang LX 5.0 in 1987. Lower gears and less weight made in a bit quicker than the GT. My GLHS, when stock, walked away from it. When the road turned twisty, the Mustang faded quickly. Crappy brakes, lousy chassis dynamics and tons of body roll.

I drove this thing on the street for four years, and raced it for eight more. We swapped in the 225 hp engine over the winter of 1990. A bigger turbo, with adjustable waste gate was added. I also added adjustable sway bar links front and rear, and replaced the adjustable Konis with new ones. The last change was new cross-drilled rotors and bigger calipers. It was virtually untouchable in autocross events. Had I kept the little beast, I was planning to install a 12 gallon fuel cell and a roll bar. However, I received an offer that was far more than I expected, so I sold it to a guy who trailered it to Savannah with the intent of going road racing. He loaded the car, took all of the spares (including the original 2.2 engine) and the original driver's seat. I never heard from him again.

Stop watch times from 0 to 60 were around 5.6 seconds. Over a measured 1/4 mile, we clocked times right at 14 seconds. Cranking the boost to 26 PSI, it ran a 13.7 at what we estimated to be just under 110 mph. We estimated because the speedo was an 85 mph unit, so I calculated based upon RPM. At that boost, she was probably pushing 300 hp. Unfortunately, the head gasket blew out adjacent to a water jacket passage and ingested exhaust gas into the cooling system, resulting in sharp rise in temperature. I shut it down and we rolled it to the trailer. That evening, I ran it in the garage until the thermostat opened. Revving the motor resulted in making bubbles in the header tank, confirming what I suspected. Drag racing the GLHS could often be frustrating. The street tires (I ran soft compound Toyos at the time) did poorly at controlling wheel spin, and this little beast would smoke the tires for a 100 yards if you didn't ease off the power. A set of Hoosiers (used for autocross) really helped, but too much grip without enough throttle would result in violent axle tramp. Getting just the right amount of wheel spin was important, and took no small amount of practice. Running SCCA SOLO events were great fun. The car's grip and balance allowed one to carry very fast exits speeds, and the mid range power was stunning.

My WRX was a great little car. All wheel drive really gives it tremendous bite off of the line. However, it was sloppy compared to the Shelby. Understeer was strong, and while you could use power to generate a nice four wheel drift, the WRX scrubbed speed off quickly and one had to get it largely straightened out to get full power down. Except for the 4 wheel drive hole shot advantage, the GLHS was much quicker everywhere.
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