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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: TDeacon on August 23, 2012, 04:05:36 PM
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Hi all,
What is the consensus as to best Windows version, to be used for (AH) gaming over the next 3 years? I am thinking of Windows 7 64-bit, but am not sure about which version (Home, Pro, etc.) is best. Then of course I will need 64-bit drivers for stuff like my CH stick and pedals (if they exist…).
BTW, I did search for this, but the search engine wasn't very successful in finding anything more recent than 2010.
MH
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BTW, I did search for this, but the search engine wasn't very successful in finding anything more recent than 2010.
The search for the board works, but the problem is the amount of posts on our board is causing timeouts during the request. If you are more specific with your search criteria, then the searches are more successful.
Short of changing bulletin boards, there is nothing we can do about it.
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The search for the board works, but the problem is the amount of posts on our board is causing timeouts during the request. If you are more specific with your search criteria, then the searches are more successful.
Short of changing bulletin boards, there is nothing we can do about it.
I know; we discussed this before. :)
What do you recommend on the OS?
MH
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Hi all,
What is the consensus as to best Windows version, to be used for (AH) gaming over the next 3 years? I am thinking of Windows 7 64-bit, but am not sure about which version (Home, Pro, etc.) is best. Then of course I will need 64-bit drivers for stuff like my CH stick and pedals (if they exist…).
BTW, I did search for this, but the search engine wasn't very successful in finding anything more recent than 2010.
MH
My current understanding is that Win7 x64 would be your safest bet for a gaming operating system right now. Also Win8 has proved very fast and functional in my testing with a couple exceptions where games refused to start because they couldn't recognize the operating system version and/or driver used. That I count as a programming failure on their part. AH2 proved to function well with the exception of the automatic updater which had a user right hiccup of some sort. I'm not yet sure if this is 'birth pains' of early consumer preview or a more serious problem á la UAC.
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Avoid win8. It will be the next ME/Vista. It's a friggin' phone OS, and it shows. They built it to save money on developing 2 OSes, so they shafted PC users by making them use the mobile OS also.
There is nothing good about win8 that I've read to date.
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Win 7 64-bit "Home" or "Pro"?
MH
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I was using Vista for quite a few years and after much tweaking and process killing, it'd run AH fairly well. I've recently upgraded to Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. OEM. This ran AH very well also. I didn't really have to kill many processes, except superfetch.
Note, I had to increase my RAM from 4 GB to 8 GB, to let Windows 7 have a little breathing room.
Coogan
Win 7+AH= smooth. (for me anyway. Good luck)
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Win 7 64-bit "Home" or "Pro"?
MH
First look here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare?t1=tab15
And glance at the supported memory here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7
Compare the features you want or MIGHT want 5 years from now. Given how fast RAM capacity has been increasing and how cheap the RAM is these days, I went with PRO, so that I could:
1) have more than 16GB ram with x64 install. Note HOME has a 16GB limit. Enough for now, but later? You may want more. Pro maxes at 192 GB of RAM.
2) have windows XP mode. I have the one PC for gaming, and a number of games are older. I wanted the compatibility mode for most use out of a single machine (so I don't have to dual boot to an older OS. or have a secondary machine, or anything).
3) not as important, but it has a couple of features that HOME doesn't, such as some remote desktop support and some networking features, if I recall.
In my opinion, go with Pro if you can at all afford it. For the RAM support alone.
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I went with PRO on my new box as well. My son uses "Ultimate", but hes a geek and uses the extra stuff it has
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Avoid win8. It will be the next ME/Vista. It's a friggin' phone OS, and it shows. They built it to save money on developing 2 OSes, so they shafted PC users by making them use the mobile OS also.
There is nothing good about win8 that I've read to date.
Have you actually tried it? LOL!
I recommend you do, it's free you know. Most people seem to bash Win8 because it's a cool thing to do now. ;)
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I will NOT try it. My bashing is informed bashing. I'm not doing it just to follow the crowd, as you put it.
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Have you actually tried it? LOL!
I recommend you do, it's free you know. Most people seem to bash Win8 because it's a cool thing to do now. ;)
Most people bash Windows 8, including virtually every game developer on the planet, because of the OS itself. It has nothing to do with being cool. It has everything to do with how bad the OS is. It represents a giant leap forward in Microsoft leveraging more control over your computer.
The team developing Windows 8 is the same team that did Windows Vista. The team that developed Windows 7 is working on what comes after Windows 8. My bet is on that OS.
However, to shore up any risks, it is best to go ahead and invest in Windows 7 now (while you can still get it), and let Windows 8 die on the vine and see what comes after that.
People who claim people are bashing Windows 8 to be cool offer nothing more substantial than those who mindlessly rant about it. I take either with a grain of salt.
If you like to play games, you might pay attention to what every game dev has to say about Windows 8. None of them like it and for many good reasons.
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Have you actually tried it? LOL!
I recommend you do, it's free you know. Most people seem to bash Win8 because it's a cool thing to do now. ;)
i've tried it and it sucks. the only people who like it are those with accounts on every social networking site on the web and stay connected even on their phones. there is zero business functionality.
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i've tried it and it sucks. the only people who like it are those with accounts on every social networking site on the web and stay connected even on their phones. there is zero business functionality.
That is the basic nature of Windows 8. Microsoft seems so disappointed, in the lack of market penetration into the mobile market, they appear to have decided the point of failure is not having a desktop OS which acts like a mobile OS. The more I look at Windows 8, the more it feels like a mobile OS. Just wrong for a desktop.
Like Vista though, there will be advocates for it. Unlike Vista early on, the negative reactions from the technical community, at large, have been significant. All in all, it does not matter as in the end Windows 8 is going to fail.
Oh, by the way, if you like to play DVD or Bluray based movies on your desktop, then you should know Windows 8 drops support for that feature, requiring you to purchase a third party program in order to do it.
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If you like to play games, you might pay attention to what every game dev has to say about Windows 8. None of them like it and for many good reasons.
None of the game developers have said Win8 is bad because it's made bad or the code doesn't work. They're scared of the live market place, secure boot and other things Microsoft is doing to take total control of the PC. No developer is excited on the prospect of having to pay Microsoft to sell products.
If MS goes overboard with control, another operating system will replace it and take the crown. Game devs are just freaking out because linux is still not ready for gaming and apple is too expensive for most consumers.
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None of the game developers have said Win8 is bad because it's made bad or the code doesn't work. They're scared of the live market place, secure boot and other things Microsoft is doing to take total control of the PC. No developer is excited on the prospect of having to pay Microsoft to sell products.
If MS goes overboard with control, another operating system will replace it and take the crown. Game devs are just freaking out because linux is still not ready for gaming and apple is too expensive for most consumers.
Everything you just said is speculation and opinion. If Microsoft makes it painful for game devs to write games for the OS, those same devs will simply stick with consoles.
There is far more to it, but many devs will not, publicly, go into details for fear of reprisals from Microsoft. Tech sites which depend on payments from Microsoft will not say anything bad about it either. This is Vista all over again. You can either recognize it or not.
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Everything you just said is speculation and opinion. If Microsoft makes it painful for game devs to write games for the OS, those same devs will simply stick with consoles.
There is far more to it, but many devs will not, publicly, go into details for fear of reprisals from Microsoft. Tech sites which depend on payments from Microsoft will not say anything bad about it either. This is Vista all over again. You can either recognize it or not.
Now now... Built in marketplace = fact. MS 30% cut from apps sold there = fact. Secure boot = fact. MS stepping on feet of every digital distributor with its live marketplace = fact. Prospect of windows running only digitally signed code from Microsoft = speculation, but is a fact that it freaks out devs. :)
Gabe Newell also was quoted saying Microsoft’s decision to make its own Xbox LIVE and Windows Store a part of Windows 8 is more than a little worrying for third parties. “There's a strong temptation to close the platform because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting,'".
So when I refer to this it's not speculation and opinion.
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So I take it you saw the scalable pricing that they are tossing out there for Win8? They are focusing on the market that thinks having a touch screen everything is good/cool; like the Apple crowd does other than their Macbooks.
I just scored two licenses for Win7 Ultimate 64 from an IT buddy. They were extras that he bought a couple of years ago and never used so he gave them to me since my original disc got chipped and cracked and MS wanted to charge me $50 for a new disc even though I already had the key and they have record of it being registered.
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So I take it you saw the scalable pricing that they are tossing out there for Win8? They are focusing on the market that thinks having a touch screen everything is good/cool; like the Apple crowd does other than their Macbooks.
I just scored two licenses for Win7 Ultimate 64 from an IT buddy. They were extras that he bought a couple of years ago and never used so he gave them to me since my original disc got chipped and cracked and MS wanted to charge me $50 for a new disc even though I already had the key and they have record of it being registered.
Win7 family pack 3 license upgrade is also a good option for many. Only 50 bucks or so a license.
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Now now... Built in marketplace = fact. MS 30% cut from apps sold there = fact. Secure boot = fact. MS stepping on feet of every digital distributor with its live marketplace = fact. Prospect of windows running only digitally signed code from Microsoft = speculation, but is a fact that it freaks out devs. :)
Gabe Newell also was quoted saying
So when I refer to this it's not speculation and opinion.
Gabe is the only dev with a vested stake in content delivery. No one else has voiced any concerns as that being the reason they do not care for Windows 8. Even Gabe had other things he disliked about Windows 8.
You take one dev and voice it as if it were facts for all devs. That is drawing and presenting a conclusion based on one data point. I call that an "opinion", and not even the most popular one, at the moment.
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This is very clearly a mobile OS. The integrated store is a nod to this. It's so when this is in use on phones they can use that store for the mobile aps. As to which companies will port desktop programs to it? I'd wager NONE. Most have their own ways of distribution. Windows cannot deny them the ability to install individually, or else windows dies, fast, bloody, and painfully. Windows may think it holds all the cards but it's 1 massive mistake away from disenfranchising all the folks that create programs for its OS. Windows without 3rd party programmers = lose. Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.
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Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.
Hey! It's not like Microsoft programmers are the only ones who suck. IBM (Lotus Notes) programmers suck, too!
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I ugraded to Win 7.
Vista was a disgrace and shows how developers can loose all sense of reason :old:
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Hey! It's not like Microsoft programmers are the only ones who suck. IBM (Lotus Notes) programmers suck, too!
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Fair enough, but let's just say I use windows because of how NON-microsoft programs run on it, not because of how microsoft programs run on it. :)
Can you imagine if you had to use windows with ONLY MS programs? It's enough to make you switch to max/unix.
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This is very clearly a mobile OS. The integrated store is a nod to this. It's so when this is in use on phones they can use that store for the mobile aps. As to which companies will port desktop programs to it? I'd wager NONE. Most have their own ways of distribution. Windows cannot deny them the ability to install individually, or else windows dies, fast, bloody, and painfully. Windows may think it holds all the cards but it's 1 massive mistake away from disenfranchising all the folks that create programs for its OS. Windows without 3rd party programmers = lose. Nobody will use Windows with only MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.
While it does indeed show to have roots in Microsoft's miserable mobile OS, it also tries to marry the XBox console into the experience as well. It is not a marriage that mates well. The experience left me shaking my head. It's as though two different UI factions at Microsoft battled for the desktop and neither team won, so the consumer ends up losing.
It is just a klunky, kludgy feeling thing. My biggest issue with it, is it does not solve any problems. It is a horribly designed UI looking for a reason to exist. It certainly is another attempt, by Microsoft, to force users into doing things the way they think it should be done, rather than allowing the user to make that choice. Maybe they felt they needed to create problems to solve?
The entire OS wreaks of an application design mentality and not a systems design mentality.
Be forewarned, Microsoft is looking for a way to control the programs you can use under Windows. Windows 8 contains many elements they need to get into place. Windows 8 needs to fail.
Read this: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78 Keep in mind you are supposed to be able to disable that feature, but by default it is on. Microsoft does not tell you about it, up front.
Keep telling me how great you think Windows 8 is and I will keep showing you why I think it needs to fail.
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My concern is that MS may attempt to 'update' Windows 7 with that except same 'feature.'
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I know several "features" of Vista were held back from official release in XP so that users would feel there were "new" features and looks in Vista, when in fact they were years old, and intentionally left out. I think they might not bother doing a secret releast for 7. 7 is basically done. Although..... If they suddenly announce an SP4, be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Gabe is the only dev with a vested stake in content delivery. No one else has voiced any concerns as that being the reason they do not care for Windows 8. Even Gabe had other things he disliked about Windows 8.
You take one dev and voice it as if it were facts for all devs. That is drawing and presenting a conclusion based on one data point. I call that an "opinion", and not even the most popular one, at the moment.
Gabe Newell hasn't been the only major developer to speak out, he was just the first big name developer to say something and others have followed suit. Blizzard's Rod Pardo echoed Newell's sentiments when he tweeted, "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space*-- not awesome for Blizzard either,"
And they're right.
ack-ack
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Gabe Newell hasn't been the only major developer to speak out, he was just the first big name developer to say something and others have followed suit. Blizzard's Rod Pardo echoed Newell's sentiments when he tweeted, "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space*-- not awesome for Blizzard either,"
And they're right.
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Naturally, they're afraid they'll lose revenue from this: http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:1,c:7 :)
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My concern is that MS may attempt to 'update' Windows 7 with that except same 'feature.'
You hit the nail to the head. Nothing whatsoever stops them from including this in a service pack or other Win7, Vista or even XP update. If MS chooses to do it there's nothing consumers can do about it other than STOP USING MICROSOFT COMPLETELY. I've opted for that route a looong long time ago. My only Win licenses are for games at this date. The game devs also know that games deadlocked to the faith of windows and this is what freaks them out.
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I was under the impression windows 8 was developed to try and cope with the mobile/tablet market of present. I would hazard a guess that this caused losses in MS products being bought as these things don't use windows and if they do they were/are cumbersome and harder to use than the the android/apple OS....which in todays market is where much off the world is for on the run business ..... I think a new big player to watch could be Samsung although they would be more like apple in operation ... perhaps with a little more freedom.
hahahaha what a co-winky dink .... I was just reading the online NZ herald and find this article hahaha
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10829609
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... MS programs. They kinda suck, if you hadn't noticed.
I don't know about that. Microsoft Office (complete version) is a pretty good program (or, more correctly, group of porgrams). It seems a lot of people like MSFS too. There are others.