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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on August 26, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
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50+ earthquakes over past hour and keeps shaking; http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/earthquake-swarm-damages-buildings-in-downtown-brawley.html
http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html
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Only 1-2 over 4.0, nothing to worry about. If anything, this is a good thing, loosening up the faults and making the big one weaker.
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Only 1-2 over 4.0, nothing to worry about. If anything, this is a good thing, loosening up the faults and making the big one weaker.
This.... Long periods of no earthquakes means lots of fault tension...
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I've studiesshowing both, numerous small quakes loosen tension and numerous small quakes portend the big one. We'll see...
Boo
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I've studiesshowing both, numerous small quakes loosen tension and numerous small quakes portend the big one. We'll see...
Boo
....or a volcano?! This kind of high frequency small EQs are recorded around volcanic eruptions.
I've been watching this sites for years, i know small EQs are normal for CA,but never seen 50-60/hour;maybe something is wrong with USGS data feed;
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Mother Earth even hates the Commiefornians and shall soon puke them into the ocean!
:neener:
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Only 1-2 over 4.0, nothing to worry about. If anything, this is a good thing, loosening up the faults and making the big one weaker.
As far as I understand the amount of energy released from one big quake exceeds a hundred small quakes by many many orders of magnitude. So I would theorycraft that these small ones are more likely to trigger a big one than they are to relieve pressure off of a big one... because they don't relieve any significant pressure at all. However as I'm not a seismologist, I'm prepared to be told that I'm wrong.
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oh crap
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I blame the Dodgers.
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Underground space ships. :old:
I ain't quite that bad yet.
:noid
Coogan
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Underground space ships. :old:
I ain't quite that bad yet.
:noid
Coogan
Those damn aliens.... :noid
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:noid Big one coming
:cheers: Oz
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Anyone know where the nutjob with the maps to the ark site is sitting this one out? Maybe Mt Lassen?
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:banana:
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Big one in El Salvador this morning.......looks like its right along the same plate
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/
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Hmmmmm??? Again we see these reports of Odd underground "Booms"
being reported in So Cal for weeks now..
Now they have earthquakes.. This sequence sounds real familiar..
Odd, huh???
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....or a volcano?! This kind of high frequency small EQs are recorded around volcanic eruptions.
I've been watching this sites for years, i know small EQs are normal for CA,but never seen 50-60/hour;maybe something is wrong with USGS data feed;
About 6-years ago I sat in on some lectures in a Geography class at BYU. The professor spoke of a hot spot in Southern California, somewhere north of LA along the coast where the surface of the land was over 140 degrees, constantly. And no one knew why or could explain it. Maybe you are onto something.
Let's say this is a volcano or magma activity. Does this have any impact on the Yellowstone caldera? If yes, screw Rule 14 I've got a few things to say because it is all over at that point!
Boo
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A couple more 5's in the Gulf
The spot that worries me the most is not the San Andreas ...but the San Juan Defuca Fault off the coast of Washington and Oregon.
About 300 years ago there was a giant earthquake that spun up a tsunami <The Orphan Tsunami> that wiped out Japan.
80 ft waves hit the the coast and after that the local Indian's refused to live any closer than a mile to the beach :eek:
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Even before small eruptions there's alot of seismic activity. But, the area this is happening in sees these swarms over the decades. They have been recording them there since the 30's. I was in the 1989 Loma Prieta and saw the Cyprus super structure go out of my kitchen window while I was trying to make it out of my home. I could barely stand up straight and at the moment it seemed like the world was ending.
They have been expecting a volcanic eruption of some kind from Brawly county north to Yosemite for a century now. Early explorers and the local indians have always said SoCal shakes alot even before Hollywood and all the parties.
Earthquake Swarm in the Brawley Seismic Zone
August 27, 2012
An energetic earthquake swarm (largest event magnitude 5.5) is ongoing in the Brawley Seismic Zone south of the Salton Sea in Southern California. The swarm started on Saturday August 25 with earthquake activity on a northeast striking fault zone located about 20 km (12.5 miles) south of the young volcanic center known as Salton Buttes. The most recent eruptions, which took place about 9,000 years ago, produced five rhyolite lava domes along the present-day shore of the southern Salton Sea. The Brawley Seismic Zone, located between the northern end of the Imperial Fault and the southern end of the San Andreas Fault is a tectonically active area, with numerous earthquake swarms occurring over the last several decades, most recently in 2005 and in 1981. There is no evidence to suggest the present swarm is volcanic in nature.
More information on the Brawley swarm can be found on the website of the Southern California Seismic Network (a partnership of Caltech and the USGS) at http://www.scsn.org/. Visit the Salton Buttes page to learn more about the Salton Buttes volcanic area. This sight does some intersting mapping of the Brawley swarm.
I still know people who were in the 89 quake who turn white when even a 3.0 rolls through while we are together. You can see them holding their breath waiting for it to stop because there is no place to run. We were all used to the regular 3.0-4.0 tremblers through the year, year after year. The big one in the SF Bay 89, then the one in LA 94 came out of the blue.
These SoCal swarms in the south eastern CA volcanic region are expected about every 10 years becasue of a magma chamber about 4 miles down below the Long Valley Caldera. It's part of why an eruption was thought to be ready to take place at Mammoth mountain some years back with the CO2 leak. The 92 Big Bear lake earthquake made people think the big one was happening and others thought a volcano was waking up.
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Only 1-2 over 4.0, nothing to worry about. If anything, this is a good thing, loosening up the faults and making the big one weaker.
Disagree. These 400+ "little ones" are concentrated in a small area. This is NOT good, nor is it ever. In the past, these "little ones" are spread out over the Fault. Something is brewing, because of the rarity of "concentration".
To address the "Hot Spot" from someone else now.
Stage 1 of "Hot Spot" activity. Look no further than Hawaii. All of the Islands to the West have formed over this "hot spot".
Stage 2 of "Hot Spot" activity. Look no further than New Zealand. The gap between the two islands is closing, albeit it will take some time before it happens.
Stage 3 of "Hot Spot" activity. Look no further than Central America. It still cooks up some absolutely tremendous Volcanic and Seismic activity.
I doubt the Yellowstone Caldera would reach that far South/Southwest. But that doesn't mean a smaller zone could exist. It is often wondered, but tough to measure at times, because of the frequency of Seismic activity.
I hope I can pass along all of the Historical Geology from College to my son before I pass.
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If there is anything that we've learned that is certain, it is we really don't know that much. I assume we've gained a little knowledge using past history as a base.
But in the end we can't with certainty predict what mother nature will do, or when she will do it. I think we know that much anyway. I just hope what does occur
isn't a calamity. Good luck to those in the area. Heck.....it's a rarity to have earthquakes in Ohio, and recently we've had more then ever. What does this portend?
Who can say for certainty?
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If there is anything that we've learned that is certain, it is we really don't know that much. I assume we've gained a little knowledge using past history as a base.
But in the end we can't with certainty predict what mother nature will do, or when she will do it. I think we know that much anyway. I just hope what does occur
isn't a calamity. Good luck to those in the area. Heck.....it's a rarity to have earthquakes in Ohio, and recently we've had more then ever. What does this portend?
Who can say for certainty?
The New Madrid Fault is one of the more active Fault Systems in North America. Since 1974 there have been over 6,000 recorded seismic events.
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It is a little scary to consider that with a big "Katrina" type hurricane bearing down and the potential for the "big one" to hit California could happen in close proximity to one another time wise. I hope everyone in both areas has a good stock of emergency supplies etc.
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California EMA just issued an earthquake alert this evening; they believe there's a chance for damaging EQs over the nxt days; :
http://lynwood.patch.com/articles/earthquake-alert-issued-by-california-emergency-management-agency-ed3a02c0
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This buoy down on the Pacific Coast/Mexico starts blinking/alert mode;if you click on it shows the event recordings: tsunami? Or a Russian sub got stuck in the cable anchor? :lol
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/
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It's those geothermic guys cooling the core while at the same time heating the atmosphere.
And they thought it was "green".
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It is a little scary to consider that with a big "Katrina" type hurricane bearing down and the potential for the "big one" to hit California could happen in close proximity to one another time wise. I hope everyone in both areas has a good stock of emergency supplies etc.
Katrina was not all that bad as a hurricane. It simply hit a place where folks live below sea level.
We have had much worse hurricanes in the past.
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Imtelling you the Nephillum are preparing to comeback and wipe us out to recreate us since the colar radiation has mutated us so far from what we were originally genetically ebngineeered to be!
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Anything over 6.5 gets my attention.
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Anything over 6.5 gets my attention.
Yup. I honestly have never felt one below 4.3-4.5
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In 2011 we had an earthquake on the Eastcoast. Everyone got on thier phones and crashed the network due to the massive volume. So make a plan as communications will be useless in a large scale event. :eek:
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Guys its just been over a year since the DC/Denver nookquakes. The earth is hollow and ther eis a war raging betrween the airforce and navy vs. CIA/shadow gov't(alien overlords http://www.eutimes.net/2011/08/russia-reports-nuclear-explosions-hit-vast-us-military-tunnel-network/ (http://www.eutimes.net/2011/08/russia-reports-nuclear-explosions-hit-vast-us-military-tunnel-network/)
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Katrina was not all that bad as a hurricane. It simply hit a place where folks live below sea level.
We have had much worse hurricanes in the past.
Are you flipping serious? The sustained wind speeds at the NOAA station at the Slidell Airport were over 170 mph. That's a very serious wind speed. The storm surge was 40 feet deep on the NE side. The water at Lake Front Airport in New Orleans on Lake Ponchtrain reached the 3rd story of the terminal/tower building. That hurricane was likely a 5 when it hit, but it is impossible to say because most of the monitoring stations near the eye were destroyed.
I don't like to insult people, but man are you for real today?
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In 2011 we had an earthquake on the Eastcoast. Everyone got on thier phones and crashed the network due to the massive volume. So make a plan as communications will be useless in a large scale event. :eek:
This has also to do with how carriers oversubscribe their networks. This also happened after sept 11 and many other events...
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Are you flipping serious? The sustained wind speeds at the NOAA station at the Slidell Airport were over 170 mph. That's a very serious wind speed. The storm surge was 40 feet deep on the NE side. The water at Lake Front Airport in New Orleans on Lake Ponchtrain reached the 3rd story of the terminal/tower building. That hurricane was likely a 5 when it hit, but it is impossible to say because most of the monitoring stations near the eye were destroyed.
I don't like to insult people, but man are you for real today?
You may want to look back at the historical hurricanes. Katrina was strong but not as bad as some in the past. It hit a place where many folks live below sea level and were not intelligent enough to get out. You hear lousianna this and lousianna that but Alabama and Mississippi were hit every bit as hard... maybe harder. You just saw them come together and rebuild. None of that you owe me this or you owe me that as came from lousianna.
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You may want to look back at the historical hurricanes. Katrina was strong but not as bad as some in the past. It hit a place where many folks live below sea level and were not intelligent enough to get out. You hear lousianna this and lousianna that but Alabama and Mississippi were hit every bit as hard... maybe harder. You just saw them come together and rebuild. None of that you owe me this or you owe me that as came from lousianna.
Shuffler,
Katrina was likely a cat 5. That is a serious hurricane. While it may not have been the strongest, it was a bad hurricane. Anyone that says it wasn't a bad or serious hurricane is being foolish.
Further, the sea level statement is very misleading. While certain areas of metro NOLA and the west side are below sea level (owing to it sinking over the past 300 years) a good portion of it is not below sea level.
As for the whining from LA.... man, I do not know where to start. Sure, there were plenty of people that whined, but there were countless others that just quietly went forward, fixed their homes on their own dime and then fought the insurance companies which in some case is still an ongoing fight. I know it took almost 3 years for the insurance company to pay for my father-in-law's damage...
In all the nicest terms I can muster, you really do not know what you are talking about.
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As for the whining from LA.... man, I do not know where to start.
Yeah shuff all the whiners were moved to Memphis, Atlanta and Houston, basicaly anywhere around LA where crime saw a dramatic rise ppost Katrina. Not thier fault the city did not have enough revenue to properly maintain thier defenses or get the poorer people out of the lower lying areas. All that lootin of alcohol and tvs was what tghey needed to survive.
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Yeah shuff all the whiners were moved to Memphis, Atlanta and Houston, basicaly anywhere around LA where crime saw a dramatic rise ppost Katrina. Not thier fault the city did not have enough revenue to properly maintain thier defenses or get the poorer people out of the lower lying areas. All that lootin of alcohol and tvs was what tghey needed to survive.
You have absolutely no clue about the topic with which you entered.
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You have absolutely no clue about the topic with which you entered.
So how many NOLA refugees you delt with in the UP? I have delt with alot in ATL and they whine about everything, thier house flooding because the levys broke becauis ethe city coulnnt keep the Nutra problem down, then they didnt provide enough busses to move the poor or old ort infirm, then it was Bush's fault for them moving to live in provided trailers then it was FEMA for putting them up in bad parts of the city in Atlanta, or Memphis aor Houston. They said it was just as bad as NOLA with the crime..
Only a Sparty would call someone out for not knowing the fact when they themselves know noting of the facts that I know the fact of!
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So glad whe dont have to deal witht he Whiners when NOLA floods THIS time they all still live next door to me in my ghetto.
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As for the whining from LA.... man, I do not know where to start. Sure, there were plenty of people that whined, but there were countless others that just quietly went forward, fixed their homes on their own dime and then fought the insurance companies which in some case is still an ongoing fight. I know it took almost 3 years for the insurance company to pay for my father-in-law's damage...
Of course not all were lazy. I'm sure a few worked diligently to rebuild. I'd say many did not though. I do know the folks who came to Houston trashed the Astrodome. Many used their govenment supplied cards for booze and strip clubs.
I'm sure not all the people who came here were like that. It sure changed the way I think of louisianna and the people there.
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Katrina sat image captured august 28 2005, i found this on wikipedia just to compare the images;
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Hurricane_Katrina_August_28_2005_NASA.jpg/595px-Hurricane_Katrina_August_28_2005_NASA.jpg)
Isaac, sat image captured today august 28 2012/ interesting exactly 7 years later, Katrina was more powerfull,concentrated, but Isaac looks ugly aslo;
posted here on NOAA http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/imageoftheday.php
(http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/images/high_resolution/1162v1_20120828-IsaacA.png)
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Of course not all were lazy. I'm sure a few worked diligently to rebuild. I'd say many did not though. I do know the folks who came to Houston trashed the Astrodome. Many used their govenment supplied cards for booze and strip clubs.
I'm sure not all the people who came here were like that. It sure changed the way I think of louisianna and the people there.
So you are basing your entire opinion of Louisiana on few of the ignorant fools that were relocated? Yeah, that's a great idea....
Later.
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Only 1-2 over 4.0, nothing to worry about. If anything, this is a good thing, loosening up the faults and making the big one weaker.
This, swarms of quakes are not unheard of in very seismic active areas... rare and not well understood/studied yet, but not something to be worried about. What you want to be worried about is a real seismic hotzone going absolutely quiet, not that having dozens of tiny baby quakes throughout the night is any more reassuring.
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You may want to look back at the historical hurricanes. Katrina was strong but not as bad as some in the past. It hit a place where many folks live below sea level and were not intelligent enough to get out. You hear lousianna this and lousianna that but Alabama and Mississippi were hit every bit as hard... maybe harder. You just saw them come together and rebuild. None of that you owe me this or you owe me that as came from lousianna.
Name one Hurricane that had the perfect mixture of absolute water put forth in a storm surge and damn near Cat 5 winds. You're the only one, besides Nathan putting Louisiana in the forefront of the discussion for your own selfish reasons. But I assure you that your post is chock-full of inaccuracies in regards to Katrina.
Define "Strong". Katrina was a Category 3 Hurricane (hang on Bodhi), with a Category 4+ Storm Surge when it made the second landfall in the Gulf. In fact, your buddy Nathan brings up a word he cannot even spell correctly. Levees. Did some of them fail? Yep. But the majority of them held, for only the graces of God and are now being re-engineered. Levees rated to Category 3, were tasked with even more water than they weren't designed to. Several of them broke, but the damage would have been even more catastrophic had more failed.
The major one being the Industrial Canal that had been breached prior and was ignored after Betsy in 64 or 65, when the floodwaters spilled into Lower 9th Ward (Bodhi and other NO residents can probably go into more detail, but as I have read over the years, this is the simplest way to put it). At the same time that the Industrial Canal was failing, Ponchartrain spilled into the London and 17th canals. Even worse yet, the two canals IIRC, by design, are supposed to put the water from the streets and pump it back into the lake. However, the storm, reversed the entire works and the pumps that were supposed to pump water, pumped the water, but caused the mis-engineered levees to fail. The Floodwalls held, but let's blame the looters!
Strong. Hmm. I'm 39 and cannot think of a Natural Disaster (in the United States) that can come close to Katrina. Maybe the Tornadoes from the 1999 season, only because you have an even "smaller target" and less warning, or the 89 Quake. Katrina careened from a 4 to a 5 like a dodge em' car in a pub, sometimes changing hourly, until landfall. But this was one of the few times, where a "storm surge did NOT fall into line with a wind rating". But let's blame the looters!
I bet the looters are the reason Katrina is Number 1!
No. 1. Katrina (2005) — $45.115 Billion*
No. 2. Andrew (1992) — $22.231 Billion*
No. 3. Ike (2008) — $12.648 Billion*
No. 4. Wilma (2005) — $11.306 Billion*
No. 5. Charley (2004) — $8.479 Billion*
No. 6. Ivan (2005) — $8.065 Billion*
No. 7. Hugo (1989) — $6.624 Billion*
No. 8. Rita (2005) — $6.177 Billion*
No. 9. Frances (2004) — $5.212 Billion*
No. 10. Jeanne (2004) — $4.146 Billion*
*Based on estimated insured losses for property coverage and adjusted to 2009 dollars.
It's a shame that 1% of NO's population causes a city to be judged, by people just as ignorant as they were. This takes me back to the sickening posts by some of the members of this very BBS while Katrina was both headed towards land and after. Don't forget about Rita making landfall not even a Month later.
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Name one Hurricane that had the perfect mixture of absolute water put forth in a storm surge and damn near Cat 5 winds. You're the only one, besides Nathan putting Louisiana in the forefront of the discussion for your own selfish reasons. But I assure you that your post is chock-full of inaccuracies in regards to Katrina.
Only thing I am argueing is that there was an awful lot of whining going on after KAtrina, furthermore you never answered my question: how many refugee's from NOLA have you ran into in the UP? I'M in Atlanta and that has a sizable Katrina refugee population and most i have met blamed everyone else for thier problems. I feel that YOU have no Idea what your talking about yet again. I dont feel I am being selfish I was mearly seconding what shuffler said in the first place so I am sure now you are just some dipe that sits infront ogf google all day trying to be a know it all with no first hand experirence.Also, If I had known the soupbowl of a city was gonna flood again I wouldnt have been so caviler about things.
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Only thing I am argueing is that there was an awful lot of whining going on after KAtrina, furthermore you never answered my question: how many refugee's from NOLA have you ran into in the UP? I'M in Atlanta and that has a sizable Katrina refugee population and most i have met blamed everyone else for thier problems. I feel that YOU have no Idea what your talking about yet again. I dont feel I am being selfish I was mearly seconding what shuffler said in the first place so I am sure now you are just some dipe that sits infront ogf google all day trying to be a know it all with no first hand experirence.Also, If I had known the soupbowl of a city was gonna flood again I wouldnt have been so caviler about things.
Nathan don't waste your time with Masherbrum he is a raving lunatic and talking to him is like beating your head against a brick wall.
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Nathan don't waste your time with Masherbrum he is a raving lunatic and talking to him is like beating your head against a brick wall.
so typical Yupper?
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. I'm 39 and cannot think of a Natural Disaster (in the United States) that can come close to Katrina. Maybe the Tornadoes from the 1999 season,
I was in OK City (Moore) for the EF 5 that went thru, and to tell you the truth, what i saw last year was worse
The 2011 Tornado season was the costliest, over 12 billion in damages. (AM Best estimates of insd losses, also figures obtained from reinsurance companys, ie companys that insure insurance companys) This is a figure that will still rise for years to come pending lawsuits and the like.Estimates are in the 18 to 22 billion dollar range when all is said and done. As a Large Loss Property Adjuster for over 20yrs, and a Large Loss Catastrophy Adjuster (for a major insurance company) ,I was down in Alabama and Mississippi for the 2011 tornados...It was quite literally..Hell on Earth , ( I was supposed to go to Joplin but was just mentally exhausted)
Hurricane Irene just a year ago yesterday cost over 15 Billion to date, and many of those losses arent settled yet, Irene once all is said and done very well may be up in the area of what Andrew cost. Reason being, the population density of areas hit. We (my company) got over 45,000 claims in NY and PA alone
I was also down for Katrina appx a week (or 2 cant remember) after it hit and handled hundreds of property claims down there, one thing i will say is people need to know the hazards of where they live, and dont be suprised when something like this happens, you live in a low lying city on the Gulf of Mexico, the most active area in the northern hemisphere for hurricanes, dont be shocked, or blame someone else when things go bad..... Govts can plan as much as they want...but mother nature ALWAYS WINS....period.....
Thaat said, every person i met down there was disgusted by what they were seeing on TV with the looting, and were heartbroken that the national news made it appear that this is what the rest of America should take from this disaster. 99% of those people were the best, hardest working and true blue type of person that makes this country great. Im just glad that what i took from Katrina is that i saw entire communitys without a pot to pee in give their neighbor or a complete stranger the shirt off their backs. The residents of NOLA, and Louisiana should be proud to be a member of that community, after what i saw, i sure would be.