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Title: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 01, 2012, 06:55:58 PM
 season premier tonight. 9 eastern. looks like he tangles with the daleks again. looks good.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: danny76 on September 01, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Haven't much watched it ever prior to this evenings show. Doubt I will be watching it much in future if this is the benchmark.
Tosh
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Treize69 on September 01, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
I was hoping Amy would be gone this season since he dropped her and Rory off last season. Guess I'm to be disappointed. :(

I like this doctor, but Tenant got better stories and companions IMO.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: saggs on September 01, 2012, 07:48:56 PM
None of these "new" doctors are as good as Tom Baker.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 01, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
None of these "new" doctors are as good as Tom Baker.

 tom baker was the best of the original series. he's the first doctor i saw, back when pbs was still broadcasting the series. of the new series, i liked tennent the best. still think he's the best doctor ever, with matt smith coming in a close second.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Treize69 on September 01, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
My first was the Eccleston Doctor- I was aware of it, and knew a bit about it, but hadn't watched any until they resurrected it with him. Been a fan ever since, my wife and I watch all the new episodes when they air.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: jeep00 on September 01, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
None of these "new" doctors are as good as Tom Baker.
:aok
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Plawranc on September 01, 2012, 08:47:01 PM
Dr Who is the best show on T.V next to Top Gear and HBO Mini-series's.

End of thread  :neener:


P.S- Tennant forever.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: 321BAR on September 01, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
been a fan. never stopped being a fan. In my opinion Tom Baker = #1 David Tennant #2 and Matt Smith #3. i wasnt much of a big fan of Eccleston but he pulled it off very well also :aok
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Tank-Ace on September 01, 2012, 11:31:30 PM
I have mixed opinions. Overall, I'm still a fan, but I want to go punch the writers some times.


Good

I feel the dialog has improved for the Doctor, and so Matt Smith is roughly equal to David Tennant on screen, but I think that if Tennant had had Smith's dialog, the TV very well might explode from the ensuing epicness. Even with Matt saying the lines, the show is amazing.


Special effects have also continued to improve. I was overjoyed when I saw the weeping angles move for the first time!


Plots are also pretty damn good for the most part. They usually cover some very interesting topics, or concepts. Only a few flops on individual episodes.



Bad

His companions need to either be hot, a BA like the doctor (see Capt. Jack), or at the very least, further the plot line with their actions, rather than by being in proximity to The Doctor. Yes, I am saying that the stupid ginger from season 4 should have been jetisoned in the episode "The Doctor's Daughter"


I feel they've taken things way too far in the "No, I never use guns. No weapons!! Put down that rock, its a weapon!!!!!!!!!" thing, but then they don't follow up on it with all his actions. I mean in "A Good Man Goes to War", he destroyed an entire cyber-fleet just to make a point! First new season, hes yelling at Daleks to go die, shooting at them with guns, the whole nine yards.


I mean, the guy is a soldier for christ's sake, they reference the Time War and how he ended it single handedly in nearly every season.


Also, they use the preception filter as a rough patch job for a plot hole.

"There was litterally a door right there 2 seconds ago!"
"Preception filter. It made you think there was a door there."
"But we walked through the door to get into thi..."
"Its a preception filter, just don't worry about it!!"


And finally:

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/114/e39.png)
Winston Churchill can't call the f***ing TARDIS from 1940's London!!!!!
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Treize69 on September 01, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
Winston Churchill can't call the f***ing TARDIS from 1940's London!!!!!

Of course he can, he's Winston Fn Churchill.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: bortas1 on September 02, 2012, 09:14:51 AM
 :salute i started watching dr who a few years ago when david tennet was the dr. matt smith makes a good dr. but..... i have watched some of the older dr. tom baker was really good. anyway i am a dr who fan really starting from david tennet. my son asked me one day if i understood some ep we both watched. i looked at him and said "not really. sometimes the writers put in really weird stuff because they couldent figure out how to get the dr out off a jam they wrote him in..i still like it all the same."  :cheers:
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Shuffler on September 02, 2012, 10:06:36 AM
I saw part of one show..... soap opera bleh
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 10:17:50 AM
Of course he can, he's Winston Fn Churchill.
:aok :rofl
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
:salute i started watching dr who a few years ago when david tennet was the dr. matt smith makes a good dr. but..... i have watched some of the older dr. tom baker was really good. anyway i am a dr who fan really starting from david tennet. my son asked me one day if i understood some ep we both watched. i looked at him and said "not really. sometimes the writers put in really weird stuff because they couldent figure out how to get the dr out off a jam they wrote him in..i still like it all the same."  :cheers:

 with the matt smith dr., there is something everyone seems to miss. while he makes his big threats against such enemies as the daleks(and you need to understand how deeply he hates them to understand why he wants them all gone), there is an underlying "darkness" in this dr. it's like he's the normal "happy go lucky" dr., but all the while fighting to control the bad side of himself, and every so often he lets it out.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 10:28:42 AM
I have mixed opinions. Overall, I'm still a fan, but I want to go punch the writers some times.


Good

I feel the dialog has improved for the Doctor, and so Matt Smith is roughly equal to David Tennant on screen, but I think that if Tennant had had Smith's dialog, the TV very well might explode from the ensuing epicness. Even with Matt saying the lines, the show is amazing.the only problem with this,is that matt smiths doctor has a "darkness" about him. david tennant's doctor wasn't this way, and i don't think would've pulled it off.
Special effects have also continued to improve. I was overjoyed when I saw the weeping angles move for the first time!while i love the special effects, part of what originally drew me to dr. who, was the "cheesiness" of the crappy special effects back in the 70's. it was cool to see the weeping angels move, but the first weeping angel episode was much much better, as it scared you with what you DIDN'T see, rather then what you did. this(to me anyway) harkens back to the old horror, or mystery/suspense movies.


Plots are also pretty damn good for the most part. They usually cover some very interesting topics, or concepts. Only a few flops on individual episodes.



Bad

His companions need to either be hot, a BA like the doctor (see Capt. Jack), or at the very least, further the plot line with their actions, rather than by being in proximity to The Doctor. Yes, I am saying that the stupid ginger from season 4 should have been jetisoned in the episode "The Doctor's Daughter"rory's a little more bad arsed than you think. he's more of an "accidental" hero. i think they needed to bring him in, considering that amy's the dr's mother in law.


I feel they've taken things way too far in the "No, I never use guns. No weapons!! Put down that rock, its a weapon!!!!!!!!!" thing, but then they don't follow up on it with all his actions. I mean in "A Good Man Goes to War", he destroyed an entire cyber-fleet just to make a point! First new season, hes yelling at Daleks to go die, shooting at them with guns, the whole nine yards.i don't think they really say this. it's more like he hates war, and having to use weapons, but he will use them......and he will fubar you if you piss him off.


I mean, the guy is a soldier for christ's sake, they reference the Time War and how he ended it single handedly in nearly every season.


Also, they use the preception filter as a rough patch job for a plot hole.

"There was litterally a door right there 2 seconds ago!"
"Preception filter. It made you think there was a door there."
"But we walked through the door to get into thi..."
"Its a preception filter, just don't worry about it!!"


And finally:

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/114/e39.png)
Winston Churchill can't call the f***ing TARDIS from 1940's London!!!!!
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 10:29:36 AM
I saw part of one show..... soap opera bleh

 yea, but it's got something soap operas don't......action. not only action, but cool/groovy space/alien action.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Motherland on September 02, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
I personally started watching the show with Tennant, I think in his last season or two, and then of course the past couple of years with Smith. I've seen some of the 9th doctor and wasn't really impressed, but I've never seen much of the 'old' series.
Anyway... I love Smith, personally I do think he's better than Tennant. Honestly I think the whole series has been stepped up a significant notch since Tennant left as well, so it is actually kind of difficult to separate the variables and decide whether it's Smith I like or just the series on the whole but... I do like Matt Smith.
But, as alluded to, the whole series is just so... great, since they brought Smith in. The Doctor has so much more depth. Amy & Rory play off of the new Doctor perfectly and the entire chemistry of the cast is brilliant. The cinematography is so much better and the effects are as well, but still with that little bit of cheese necessary for it to be Doctor Who.
Of course what's really interesting is how the Doctor's evolved. Smith's Doctor is so much darker, much more violent, and much more troubled with his dichotomy of being a force for good and the savior of humanity while also being incredibly destructive and cold to.... a lot of other races. In fact, the Doctor has been getting increasingly mired in this and as a result Smith has had hardly the time to be the light-hearted whimsical guy Tennant was. He seems to fall on that side about as often as Tennant had his outbursts of anger and violence.
But luckily, Amy and Rory play off this perfectly. Rory brings a lot of comic relief and light heartedness that you miss from the Doctor's increasing moodiness. In this function, he's really pretty essential to the show, or it will get increasingly dark. Amy is a really fun, spunky character as well, and Karen Gillan is... really really hot. I'm really glad I don't have to stare at Billie Piper anymore. I'm really not looking forward at all to Rory and Amy getting replaced, I think they're two of the best parts of the new turn the series has taken since Tennant left.
Last night's episode was pretty cool, I'm excited for the new season.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: 321BAR on September 02, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
I saw part of one show..... soap opera bleh
shuff if you watched the whole series there's very few episodes that are soap opera like
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Krupinski on September 02, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
Amy and Rory are going to be replaced by Oswin (Jenna Louise Coleman) halfway through the season.  :aok

Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Tank-Ace on September 02, 2012, 03:04:57 PM
the only problem with this,is that matt smiths doctor has a "darkness" about him. david tennant's doctor wasn't this way, and i don't think would've pulled it off.

Thats a lot of the writing, I think. I don't feel like Matt Smith is just an inherently darker actor. However, I do agree that the most recent doctor does have a bit of that feel to him. But the point is that Smith has better writing, but despite the slightly inferior dialogue, Tennant is still seen by many as a better doctor.

And in my mind, the biggest improvment that could have been made to Tennant's dialogue would have been to throw more humor into it, like our current doctor has. I just love the custard and fish sticks bit, and can see Tennant doing a better job with it.


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while i love the special effects, part of what originally drew me to dr. who, was the "cheesiness" of the crappy special effects back in the 70's. it was cool to see the weeping angels move, but the first weeping angel episode was much much better, as it scared you with what you DIDN'T see, rather then what you did. this(to me anyway) harkens back to the old horror, or mystery/suspense movies.

IDK, I haven't seen a whole lot of the earlier Dr. Who's. I've been meaning to watch, but just haven't gotten around do it. Might see some of what you're talking about, might not. Everyone's different; my aunt happens to have an enfatuation with anything Disney that I just don't understand, but it doesn't mean its not there.
 

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rory's a little more bad arsed than you think. he's more of an "accidental" hero. i think they needed to bring him in, considering that amy's the dr's mother in law.
I'm fine with Rory. He adds to both the comedy, and the plot. And yes, Amy being the dr's mother in law without Rory being in the story would have been a bit wierd.


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i don't think they really say this. it's more like he hates war, and having to use weapons, but he will use them......and he will fubar you if you piss him off.

Thats true to a certian extent, I would say. However, Eccleston's doctor portrayed more of the darkness you're talking about with Smith, I think. "Dalek" was really just an amazing episode, both because it brought back the Daleks, and because we got to see the Doctor totally lose his cool.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Treize69 on September 02, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
Eccleston's Doctor always seemed like he was about one nudge away from hopping in the tardis and going back to wipe out a species before it even evolved. He just had that "I'm smiling to force down the urge to kill you" vibe to him.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Shuffler on September 02, 2012, 04:14:02 PM
shuff if you watched the whole series there's very few episodes that are soap opera like

Evidently it is only soap opera like when I happen to pass by the channel it may be on. Then again my viewing bar is evidently raised in my older age ot TV as a whole has gone to the dogs..... case in point, the mad men and breaking bad. Two piss poor shows that evicently someone likes.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Bruv119 on September 02, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
personally I liked it when Daleks exterminated people at will rather than having these long drawn out chats and having the aim of a typical AH er.  

It would have been a good end to see Rory and Amy get zapped.  These writers get paid how much???    :noid
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Treize69 on September 02, 2012, 07:39:21 PM
Can you ever just let people like things that you don't Shuffler, or do you always have to have something negative to say instead of, I dunno, just closing the thread without commenting or not clicking on it if you know from the title that it's something you don't like?

FFS, is your life that miserable that you have to spend all of your time lurking around the forums, looking for a chance to complain about everything that you don't like? Do you even actually play the game, because for years all I've seen you do is complain and gripe on the forums.

Get a damn life.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Vulcan on September 02, 2012, 07:50:08 PM
don't blink.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
don't blink.

Don't blink. Blink and you're dead. They are fast. Faster than you can believe. Don't turn your back. Don't look away. And don't blink. Good Luck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwFIu4Demx8
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: xbrit on September 02, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
I first started watching it in the William Hartnell era, my favorite was always Jon Pertwee though he added that bit of fun to the role.
Never watched it much after Tom Baker but my son is now a big fan of the show.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Tank-Ace on September 02, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
personally I liked it when Daleks exterminated people at will rather than having these long drawn out chats and having the aim of a typical AH er.  

It would have been a good end to see Rory and Amy get zapped.  These writers get paid how much???    :noid

Agreed. They always go on about how deadly the Daleks are, but I guarantee their on-screen kill count is less than 100 in all the new seasons put together.

I mean the damn Sontarans probably have more on-screen kills, and they only showed up as a major component of a single episode.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 08:47:30 PM
Agreed. They always go on about how deadly the Daleks are, but I guarantee their on-screen kill count is less than 100 in all the new seasons put together.

I mean the damn Sontarans probably have more on-screen kills, and they only showed up as a major component of a single episode.

 they kilt a lot of germans in 1941 england.  :aok
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Tank-Ace on September 02, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
they kilt a lot of germans in 1941 england.  :aok

That episode was completely ruined for me by Churchill having a landline able to reach the Tardis across time and countless light years with absolutely no signal lag, and by the spitfires flying around inside little bubbles of air through space, which would be physically impossible (you can't blow your own sail on a sail boat).
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: CAP1 on September 02, 2012, 10:06:36 PM
That episode was completely ruined for me by Churchill having a landline able to reach the Tardis across time and countless light years with absolutely no signal lag, and by the spitfires flying around inside little bubbles of air through space, which would be physically impossible (you can't blow your own sail on a sail boat).

 that' why it's called science fiction.  :aok

 don't forget that churchill also tried calling the doctor in the pandorica. somehow he ended up talking to river.

 speaking of whom.....you know why she's in prison?
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Vulcan on September 03, 2012, 05:17:32 AM
That episode was completely ruined for me by Churchill having a landline able to reach the Tardis across time and countless light years with absolutely no signal lag, and by the spitfires flying around inside little bubbles of air through space, which would be physically impossible (you can't blow your own sail on a sail boat).

Not unlike alien motherships getting a virus from a mac? Or ...U-571 being capture by amerikans?
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: RTHolmes on September 03, 2012, 07:20:47 AM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J6F_4RqIIqY/Te_KxqwecfI/AAAAAAAAAg4/SCTozz3o87Y/s1600/john%252Bpertwee.jpg)

:aok
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: GScholz on September 03, 2012, 07:43:20 AM
That episode was completely ruined for me by Churchill having a landline able to reach the Tardis across time and countless light years with absolutely no signal lag, and by the spitfires flying around inside little bubbles of air through space, which would be physically impossible (you can't blow your own sail on a sail boat).

Sure you can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXMTzMQWjo

If you can't blow your own sail then thrust-reverses on jet engines wouldn't work either, and they clearly do.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Tank-Ace on September 03, 2012, 04:48:24 PM
Sure you can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXMTzMQWjo

If you can't blow your own sail then thrust-reverses on jet engines wouldn't work either, and they clearly do.


No, you cannot blow your own sail. Its in direct conflict with newtonian physics. If you try to blow your sail from inside of the boat, there will be a force equal to that hitting the sail, but in the opposite direction. The two forces cancel out, and so you go nowhere.


However, you can propel yourself using a sail and a fan, but only because some of the thrust from the fan bounces back off the sail and pushes you forward.


In other words, you CAN use a sail and fan to propel yourself forward, but you still cannot blow your own sail.





And let me be clear, the issue I have with that episode isn't that Winston talked with the doctor, or that the spitfires were flying in space, but that winston just picked up his telephone and is able to call the Doctor with no explaination of how he does it. And that they made no attempt to explain how the spitfires are defying the laws of physics.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Bruv119 on September 03, 2012, 05:17:54 PM

 And that they made no attempt to explain how the spitfires are defying the laws of physics.

the producers obviously play AH alot and use my methods!     :lol

and I believe they had Dalek anti gravity technology!     I still wants one,    pew pew pew!   take that Hitler!  
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: GScholz on September 03, 2012, 05:23:28 PM

No, you cannot blow your own sail. Its in direct conflict with newtonian physics. If you try to blow your sail from inside of the boat, there will be a force equal to that hitting the sail, but in the opposite direction. The two forces cancel out, and so you go nowhere.

What's important is not "forces and forces cancelling out". What's important is the direction in which most of the air flows when it's finished interacting with the fan and the sail. You need to treat the boat, sail and "blower" as a closed system; the only forces that will make the boat move is the forces escaping that system. The sail does not capture all the air you blow, it deflects it. It's just Newton III at work, as usual; action and reaction.

The thrust reversers on jet engines operate on a similar principle. The thrust is reflected forward by the reversers to produce a braking effect on an aircraft.
Title: Re: Dr. Who
Post by: Shuffler on September 03, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
Can you ever just let people like things that you don't Shuffler, or do you always have to have something negative to say instead of, I dunno, just closing the thread without commenting or not clicking on it if you know from the title that it's something you don't like?

FFS, is your life that miserable that you have to spend all of your time lurking around the forums, looking for a chance to complain about everything that you don't like? Do you even actually play the game, because for years all I've seen you do is complain and gripe on the forums.

Get a damn life.

Your opinion doesn't count after the poor way you left the 80th. Everyone was shocked at your poor behavior and wrote it off a drugs. In fact you are not much of anything worth saving. Now shutup and go change your diaper.