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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: coombz on September 22, 2012, 10:14:25 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/houston-officer-kills-double-amputee-wheelchair-222540280.html
gg
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Sorry, but if your trying to stab a man he has every right to put you down, end of story.
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meh, not that the "officer" couldn't have just tased the idiot but, i don't see the tragedy...
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wow
just because you can do something does not mean you should.
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wow
just because you can do something does not mean you should.
you mean like going to the store to buy an ear plug?
semp
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Sorry, but if your trying to stab a man he has every right to put you down, end of story.
yes I bet that wheelchair bound double amputee was hard to get away from :uhoh
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Sorry, but if your trying to stab a man he has every right to put you down, end of story.
ya you are totally right man
the cop had absolutely no choice but to shoot this dangerous criminal to protect himself and his colleague
gg
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dark humor:
the other officer felt his partner needed a hand more than the guy in the wheel chair.
semp
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Sorry, but if your trying to stab a man he has every right to put you down, end of story.
Better off up there then down here, and i agree. Trying to stab an officer? I'd rather have him dead then an officer injured.
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Better off up there then down here, and i agree. Trying to stab an officer? I'd rather have him dead then an officer injured.
:huh
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Better off up there then down here, and i agree. Trying to stab an officer? I'd rather have him dead then an officer injured.
how in the heck a guy in a wheel chair with only 1 arm and 1 leg gonna stab an officer? if you are 2 feet away and you cant tell the difference between a pen and a knife then... man there isnt even a way to excuse shooting that guy. what is he gonna do jump up and do some kungfu?
semp
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ya you are totally right man
the cop had absolutely no choice but to shoot this dangerous criminal to protect himself and his colleague
gg
He did the world a favor and got rid of a dangerous individual, who know he could tased or maced the guy then 2 years later the guy kills an 8 year old good riddence.
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yep they should probably just shoot all mentally ill people right away instead of putting them into care, save the state a lot of money and also help protect police officers
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If anyone comes at me being violent with intent to cause bodily harm and I had a gun I would shoot them dead :old:
If anyone comes upto me and says morning how are you? and could you tell me the time i would very polite and tell them the time and say good morning back :old:
Liberals are to blame for violent behaviour :old:
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yep they should probably just shoot all mentally ill people right away instead of putting them into care, save the state a lot of money and also help protect police officers
Hey if you want to twist my words to satisfy your sick sarcasm, give it a go. I'm glad the officer was unharmed; he over did it by shooting the man, but it happened and hopefully the man is in a better place. Dislike my thought? :)
Anybody who wants to harm another being, deserves the same back. Ill or not, everyone's life is worth the exact same.
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exactly the whole reason cops have guns is so that they can protect themselves against violent wheelchair bound cripples who make them fear for their lives
there is no such thing as excessive force when you are dealing with a mentally ill double amputee wielding a pen :salute
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Hey if you want to twist my words to satisfy your sick sarcasm, give it a go. I'm glad the officer was unharmed; he over did it by shooting the man, but it happened and hopefully the man is in a better place. Dislike my thought? :)
Anybody who wants to harm another being, deserves the same back. Ill or not, everyone's life is worth the exact same.
in defense of the police officers the guy was using one of this robo wheelchairs. you know how dangerous they are.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/Wheelchairs-picture.jpg)
and here's a secret video or those terrible criminals training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U
semp
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If your dumb enough to try to stab anyone you should be shot.
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exactly the whole reason cops have guns is so that they can protect themselves against violent wheelchair bound cripples who make them fear for their lives
there is no such thing as excessive force when you are dealing with a mentally ill double amputee wielding a pen :salute
Turning the other cheek and giving people benefit of the doubt is for Liberals who are affluent and not open to the usual problems normal people are prone to :old:
There is a lot of mental illness in the UK because they can't be spacemen or famous, instead of getting a crap job like everyone else, live the dream :rofl
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Question:
Why is the cop such a pansy, that he had to resort to shooting the guy???
Instead of any of the other methods readily available to him???
Tazer, Pepperspray, Baton????
C'mon, the guy had a freaking PEN????
Just easier to stand away and waste the guy, huh???
edit: A ONE ARMED GUY, with a pen....!
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I don't think being stabbed with a pen is beneficial for anyone's well being :old:
Being disabled does not make you a good person. :old:
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Such is the state of "Manhood" in the world today..
I'll bet his momma is proud, huh???
Probably give him a medal too, for disposing of another "useless eater"..
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yep they should probably just shoot all mentally ill people right away instead of putting them into care, save the state a lot of money and also help protect police officers
that's not far off there bud, i'd vote for it. worst case, it would cut down on the "not guilty by reason of insanity" pleas in court...
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that's not far off there bud, i'd vote for it. worst case, it would cut down on the "not guilty by reason of insanity" pleas in court...
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
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exactly the whole reason cops have guns is so that they can protect themselves against violent wheelchair bound cripples who make them fear for their lives
there is no such thing as excessive force when you are dealing with a mentally ill double amputee wielding a pen :salute
:rofl
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2 police officers were out maneuvered by a mentally ill double amputee and were forced to kill him as he held one officer at bay with a metal ink pen. That is a sad state of affairs when two trained officers cannot subdue a double amputee without having to shoot him dead. If hes missing an arm, to move he will have to use the only arm he has............If it were a gun id understand......but this is just sad and pathetic.
On a side note, my pop was a PA State trooper....I have many LEO friends, and shoot with them at my club and their municipal range (helping them qualify)What im getting at is 99.9 times out of 100 Im on the LEOs side. Im gonna run this by them and see what they think.......Im praying theres more to the story
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in defense of the police officers the guy was using one of this robo wheelchairs. you know how dangerous they are.
I want one of those :O
too easy to pull out a gun and shoot someone. sorry but 2 TRAINED officers couldnt handle a cripple, what would they do if they encountered someone that isnt a cripple, that REALLY COULD do harm to them, and REALLY WANTED to harm them?? :headscratch: :headscratch: I am not siding with the cripple guy or the cops here, I wasnt there so I cant make judgement.
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I really don't think the pen had a lot to do with the outcome. The guy in the chair was guilty of reckless operation of a mouth, sometimes sentence is carried out in the field rather than a courtroom.
shamus
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I think these type of Anti police threads are non productive, who should police society the people?
The majority of people are daft like us :old:
I have had very little trouble from the police and when they speak to me I am polite and then I go on my way :old:
Oh by the way its not Democracy when you speak to the police they are in charge it is not a discussion between equals, if you don't like it you have a problem :old:
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Just another suicide by cop... I was watching Brave Heart, now the English really know how to abuse their power...
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It's amusing. Folks on here joking at the cop but in that very story are links to two different stories of cops killed on duty.
$#!t happens.
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Off topic: The fiancee and I went to see "End of Watch" last night. Was pretty good.
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I watched Pearl harbor which was historical as well :old:
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I watched Pearl harbor which was historical as well :old:
Nvm - saw you were talking about the Brave Heart thing.
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I think these type of Anti police threads are non productive, who should police society the people?
The majority of people are daft like us :old:
I have had very little trouble from the police and when they speak to me I am polite and then I go on my way :old:
Oh by the way its not Democracy when you speak to the police they are in charge it is not a discussion between equals, if you don't like it you have a problem :old:
Well unfortunately, the fact that anyone with a High School diploma, or GED can get a badge and a gun. So long as they haven't been convicted of a serious crime already.
I think a smaller, smarter, better police force would be much more favorable than the large ones we have now. From what I can tell the way most police work is done by fishing with their radar gun and then investigating those who get pulled over and seem suspicious.
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Well unfortunately, the fact that anyone with a High School diploma, or GED can get a badge and a gun. So long as they haven't been convicted of a serious crime already.
I think a smaller, smarter, better police force would be much more favorable than the large ones we have now. From what I can tell the way most police work is done by fishing with their radar gun and then investigating those who get pulled over and seem suspicious.
That is the statement of someone who has no clue about the job. You really should try it yourself if you think it's so easy.
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That is a sad state of affairs when two trained officers cannot subdue a double amputee without having to shoot him dead. If hes missing an arm, to move he will have to use the only arm he has............If it were a gun id understand......but this is just sad and pathetic.
The really sad and pathetic thing is that there are people on here who are defending the cop's actions :old: This place is amazing
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That is the statement of someone who has no clue about the job. You really should try it yourself if you think it's so easy.
I didn't say that doing the job was easy. I said the job is too easy to get.
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The really sad and pathetic thing is that there are people on here who are defending the cop's actions :old: This place is amazing
How many had the guy attacked before?
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The really sad and pathetic thing is that there are people on here who are defending the cop's actions :old: This place is amazing
I am appalled by some of the responses in here......but it gives me some insight to the minds of those.....or should I say the lack of a mind.
wish I could really speak my mind to them.
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that's not far off there bud, i'd vote for it. worst case, it would cut down on the "not guilty by reason of insanity" pleas in court...
so would you also vote for summary execution for returning war veterans with mental disorders? or just wait for their PTSD to influence them to misbehave, and then support their execution by trigger-happy cop when it happens?
or would vets be exempt, but people who came by their mental illness in a less noble way be fair game?
How many had the guy attacked before?
Who knows? You have the same information I do ;) I'm pretty sure that if he had a record of violent crime the police would have made sure to harp on it in their statement though.
"The owner of the group home, John Garcia, told the Houston Chronicle that the man had a history of mental illness and had been living at the house about 18 months. Garcia said the man had told him that he lost a leg above the knee and all of one arm when he was hit by a train."
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One arm, one leg..armed with a.....pen. Gets shot to death.
:huh
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The really sad and pathetic thing is that there are people on here who are defending the cop's actions :old: This place is amazing
Its really sad and pathetic how anytime someones opinions differ than yours it's sad and pathetic. Guess its your way or no way huh? Hitler had the same mentality as did Stalin. Way to be open minded Coobz :aok If the pen had puntured an artery of the cop what would your feeling THEN be? Im sorry but if you have intent to kill another you should be put down. Who to say that the guy(who obviously has no problem trying to commit bodily harm) wooldnt have killed in the future? How many stories must we see of killers getting out of prison only to kill again? Plus think of it as a govermental budget cut as that is one less ward of the state to take care of.
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I invoke Godwin's Law
good day sir :)
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If the pen had puntured an artery of the cop what would your feeling THEN be? Im sorry but if you have intent to kill another you should be put down. Who to say that the guy(who obviously has no problem trying to commit bodily harm) wooldnt have killed in the future?
if the pen had punctured an artery of the cop I would laugh at the cop for being so incompetent that he couldn't defend himself against a one armed man in a wheelchair armed with a pen :rofl
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I invoke Godwin's Law
good day sir :)
:rofl I didn't even know there was such a thing, that is hilarious, and not surprising that a Libtard(according to Zack) would know of it, ironic yes suprising no.
Guess no answer to my direct question, what if that pen had severed an artery?
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Its really sad and pathetic how anytime someones opinions differ than yours it's sad and pathetic. Guess its your way or no way huh? Hitler had the same mentality as did Stalin. Way to be open minded Coobz :aok If the pen had puntured an artery of the cop what would your feeling THEN be? Im sorry but if you have intent to kill another you should be put down. Who to say that the guy(who obviously has no problem trying to commit bodily harm) wooldnt have killed in the future? How many stories must we see of killers getting out of prison only to kill again? Plus think of it as a govermental budget cut as that is one less ward of the state to take care of.
:aok :aok :O :salute
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:rofl I didn't even know there was such a thing, that is hilarious, and not surprising that a Libtard(according to Zack) would know of it, ironic yes suprising no.
Guess no answer to my direct question, what if that pen had severed an artery?
What if the police officer put out his foot and pushed the wheel chair back
What if from the get go, they came up with a plan not to get backed into a corner
What if they tazed him when they walked into the room.
What if they hit him with pepper spray.
if...if....if
If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
Oh and its ok to kill him because he "may" have killed someone in the future? So now its ok to kill people who the police deem may kill someone in the future....................Thi s aint Judge Dred.....this is real life
I support LEOs 99.9% of the time...like i said earlier, dad was LEO, very very close friends that are LEO......................but im thinking this is the .1% of the time that i think they were at fault
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What if the police officer put out his foot and pushed the wheel chair back
What if from the get go, they came up with a plan not to get backed into a corner
What if they tazed him when they walked into the room.
What if they hit him with pepper spray.
if...if....if
If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
Oh and its ok to kill him because he "may" have killed someone in the future? So now its ok to kill people who the police deem may kill someone in the future....................Thi s aint Judge Dred.....this is real life
I support LEOs 99.9% of the time...like i said earlier, dad was LEO, very very close friends that are LEO......................but im thinking this is the .1% of the time that i think they were at fault
Violence begets violence plain and simple guy attacked meaning to kill him what if a Private citizen had done this? Would you be balking t it now? Why does an officer always have to take the hard road? eliminate the threat.
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Dude could have slathered that pen in excrement with how bad infections are now(look at Amy copeland) I feel the cop is justified in any for you attack me with a weapon and Im armed I will do the same thing. If you want to fight with an armed individual thats your problem but don't villanize others for defending themselves. My opinion, you wont change it I wont change yours so this is pointless.
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if the pen had punctured an artery of the cop I would laugh at the cop for being so incompetent that he couldn't defend himself against a one armed man in a wheelchair armed with a pen :rofl
He did defend himself.
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Violence begets violence plain and simple guy attacked meaning to kill him what if a Private citizen had done this? Would you be balking t it now? Why does an officer always have to take the hard road? eliminate the threat.
if you cant see and understand what is so incredibly wrong with what happened.......
for one how difficult would it be to stop anyone in a wheel chair... let alone missin an arm and leg.....I mean seriously :rolleyes:
besides it is not like he choose to be mentally ill....he didn't choose to be person who hurts people.....
anyone who defends the cops for killing a 1 armed 1 legged mentally ill person....is....how can I say it.........
a complete and utter moron...
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Violence begets violence plain and simple guy attacked meaning to kill him what if a Private citizen had done this? Would you be balking t it now? Why does an officer always have to take the hard road? eliminate the threat.
I don't know where you get that from, all it says in the article is that he was waving a pen around, not that he was trying to kill the officer with it
I really hope you're trolling and not really as stupid as you are coming off in this thread :headscratch:
edit: you seem to be constantly playing the 'what if' game
there are any number of what ifs that we could consider, but the only thing that matters is that this cop used lethal force against someone in a wheelchair armed with a pen.
do you think that is part of their training, or do you think maybe that they are encouraged to only use their firearms when absolutely necessary to protect themselves or other people from immediate danger?
what if you had 2 brain cells to rub together? we wouldn't be having this discussion :)
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if you cant see and understand what is so incredibly wrong with what happened.......
for one how difficult would it be to stop anyone in a wheel chair... let alone missin an arm and leg.....I mean seriously :rolleyes:
besides it is not like he choose to be mentally ill....he didn't choose to be person who hurts people.....
anyone who defends the cops for killing a 1 armed 1 legged mentally ill person....is....how can I say it.........
a complete and utter moron...
and the Cop didn't even know it was a pen and anyone that villanizes someone for defending themselves is just as mentally unstable as the the loony in the chair why does the cop HAVE to risk physical harm to themselves? answer that? WWHY does he HAVE to put his life at risk? Say he struggled with the guy things happen in fights lucky hits are landed say that pen goes into the cops eye? then wed be joking that the cop got beat up by a guy in a wheel chair. I am not a moron I just think it's fallacy to think you wouldn't do the same thing as the cop in the same situation, you say it on the forums but in the heat of the moment I dint think so and If you DO put you life at risk then you are the moron.
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I don't know where you get that from, all it says in the article is that he was waving a pen around, not that he was trying to kill the officer with it
I really hope you're trolling and not really as stupid as you are coming off in this thread :headscratch:
'....the man cornered the officer in his wheelchair and was making threats while trying to stab the officer with the pen. At the time, the officer did not know what the metal object was that the man was waving, Silva said.
She said the man came "within inches to a foot" of the officer and did not follow instructions to calm down and remain still.'
Right after opening paragraph did you bother reading beyond the title and 1st paragraph, or did you just read that far and think it was excellent troll bait? Those are some truly astounding editorial skills you have Coombz, I now question my alphabet soup assetion .
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Unless you are a LEO you can't understand. things just happen so quick that you dont have time to think, trainning kicks in. If you do your job by the book you have nothing to fear other then the evil mainstream media looking for a story that sells.....
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and the Cop didn't even know it was a pen and anyone that villanizes someone for defending themselves is just as mentally unstable as the the loony in the chair why does the cop HAVE to risk physical harm to themselves? answer that? WWHY does he HAVE to put his life at risk? Say he struggled with the guy things happen in fights lucky hits are landed say that pen goes into the cops eye? then wed be joking that the cop got beat up by a guy in a wheel chair. I am not a moron I just think it's fallacy to think you wouldn't do the same thing as the cop in the same situation, you say it on the forums but in the heat of the moment I dint think so and If you DO put you life at risk then you are the moron.
what kind of "fight" is 2 cops against a 1 armed 1 legged mentally ill guy in a friggen wheel chair.....are you that much of a idiot to see how incredibly stupid you sound.....
you have proven to me in this thread that you are in serious need of a brain transplant.
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I didn't say that doing the job was easy. I said the job is too easy to get.
Then go for it, see how far you get.
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I am not a moron
Of course not, you're just the guy who thinks a trained law enforcement officer needs to use a gun to protect themselves from a one legged, one armed man in a wheelchair
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what kind of "fight" is 2 cops against a 1 armed 1 legged mentally ill guy in a friggen wheel chair.....are you that much of a idiot to see how incredibly stupid you sound.....
you have proven to me in this thread that you are in serious need of a brain transplant.
Sorry you get so butthurt, but are you saying that you would put the kiddie gloves on to defend someone you know? I think your full of it and I think you know it. Your upset because deep down you know you'd do the same. Its human nature.
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Of course not, you're just the guy who thinks a trained law enforcement officer needs to use a gun to protect themselves from a one legged, one armed man in a wheelchair
OK once again why does he HAVE to put himself in harms way would you wrestle with the guy and not fear bodily injury? Why does the cope HAVE to put himself at risk? Tell em that? You want to point fingers aznd accuse but would you risk yourself to stop a crime? You accuse me of trolling but you never answer a single direct question and when put to screws you backtrack.
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I really don't see why so many people think we should be lenient on would-be murderers.
"Dude, he tried to stab you!"
"Ah, its OK. He missed. Come on, lets go get some coffee, this guys not dangerous"
I mean what the hell guys? What if the guy had tried to stab your wife or kids? I guarantee you wouldn't give a flying uplift if the officer had shot the guy under those circumstances.
Its easy to criticize when you're sitting there nice and safe in your cushy chair.
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I really don't see why so many people think we should be lenient on would-be murderers.
"Dude, he tried to stab you!"
"Ah, its OK. He missed. Come on, lets go get some coffee, this guys not dangerous"
I mean what the hell guys? What if the guy had tried to stab your wife or kids? I guarantee you wouldn't give a flying uplift if the officer had shot the guy under those circumstances.
Its easy to criticize when you're sitting there nice and safe in your cushy chair.
QFT
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Of course not, you're just the guy who thinks a trained law enforcement officer needs to use a gun to protect themselves from a one legged, one armed man in a wheelchair
And you are the guy who wasn't there, does not have any first hand info about the situation yet feel fully justified in making a judgement from a position of almost total ignorance.
I wasn't there either. I'd prefer to find out more information before making any opinion regarding justification of the situation.
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OK once again why does he HAVE to put himself in harms way would you wrestle with the guy and not fear bodily injury? Why does the cope HAVE to put himself at risk? Tell em that? You want to point fingers aznd accuse but would you risk yourself to stop a crime? You accuse me of trolling but you never answer a single direct question and when put to screws you backtrack.
Of course coombzy would not put his self in harmsway to stop a crime, he would just call the COPS, let them deal with it then judge the officers for their work..thats what coombzy and 97% of population would do
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Sorry you get so butthurt, but are you saying that you would put the kiddie gloves on to defend someone you know? I think your full of it and I think you know it. Your upset because deep down you know you'd do the same. Its human nature.
human nature is one thing, police officer behaviour is another. of course they are humans too, but when you give someone a gun and a badge and charge them to uphold the law they are expected to act more professionally and with more RESTRAINT than the average man in the street
we might react rashly without thinking in a situation where we are in danger, but by virtue of the huge responsibility they carry, police officers are supposed to actually use their brains (in fact they are supposed to try and avoid, when possible, even putting themselves in a position of danger which might lead to them having to shoot someone, but whatever)
OK once again why does he HAVE to put himself in harms way would you wrestle with the guy and not fear bodily injury? Why does the cope HAVE to put himself at risk? Tell em that? You want to point fingers aznd accuse but would you risk yourself to stop a crime? You accuse me of trolling but you never answer a single direct question and when put to screws you backtrack.
put to the screws? :lol each of your posts is more retarded than the last, you think that's 'putting screws' to me?
your what if game of hypothetical situations is pointless since we don't know all the facts, but since you ask, I imagine it would have been pretty simple for one, or both of the officers, to just kick the guys wheel chair backwards or away, get around the side or behind of him, and turn it over on its side or on it's back like a turtle
we can't be sure of what exactly the officer should have done since we weren't there and don't know all the facts
what we CAN be sure of is that nobody needed to die in this situation
y'know what would be really newsworthy is that if someone DIDN'T get killed for no reason in Texas :rofl
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Coombz, in situations like that, hesitation can kill. Had the officer hesitated, the man could have lunged at him, and maybe the knife would have connected that second time.
By the simple fact that the man tried to stab the officer, the man's life is worth a fraction of the officer's safety.
And the officers life? Its easily 100 orders of magnitude more valuable than the life of the bellybutton who tried to stab him.
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Double amputee in wheelchair threatens officer with pen
Self defense killing totally justified
gg
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Unless you are a LEO you can't understand. things just happen so quick that you dont have time to think, trainning kicks in. If you do your job by the book you have nothing to fear other then the evil mainstream media looking for a story that sells.....
except one legged one armed wheel chair bound maniacs. :rolleyes:
Sorry you get so butthurt, but are you saying that you would put the kiddie gloves on to defend someone you know? I think your full of it and I think you know it. Your upset because deep down you know you'd do the same. Its human nature.
I grew up in violence.....saw and lived violence since I can remember.....
you have no clue....
I cant imagine what it must be like to be such a coward that you think it is ok to kill this person....
I do want to thank you though....I was thinking before you might be an alright guy......but after reading the nonsense you have spouted off in here about this, shows me what kind of person you are....one I am happy to not know.
have a good cowardly life. :aok
And you are the guy who wasn't there, does not have any first hand info about the situation yet feel fully justified in making a judgement from a position of almost total ignorance.
I wasn't there either. I'd prefer to find out more information before making any opinion regarding justification of the situation.
this is true we were not there....I am basing my opinion on what is being said.
Of course coombzy would not put his self in harmsway to stop a crime, he would just call the COPS, let them deal with it then judge the officers for their work..thats what coombzy and 97% of population would do
I saw a man beating his chick.....I jumped on him and beat him down for it....I didn't have to break his neck to stop him.....
these cops did not have to kill this person to stop him.....
I cant believe you guys are defending the cops in this situation.....I am ashamed to call myself a human if this is the way we deal with situations.
Coombz, in situations like that, hesitation can kill. Had the officer hesitated, the man could have lunged at him, and maybe the knife would have connected that second time.
By the simple fact that the man tried to stab the officer, the man's life is worth a fraction of the officer's safety.
And the officers life? Its easily 100 orders of magnitude more valuable than the life of the bellybutton who tried to stab him.
he was a mentally ill person....he was not a criminal....he didn't choose to be the way he was.
how can one "lunge" when he doesn't have but one leg and one arm.....
wow.....
you guys disgust me.....absolutely disgust me.
I am done with this thread and the idiots in it.....
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he was a mentally ill person....he was not a criminal....he didn't choose to be the way he was.
how can one "lunge" when he doesn't have but one leg and one arm.....
wow.....
you guys disgust me.....absolutely disgust me.
And so? That doesn't mean the officer should have put himself at unessecary risk. That man's life wasn't worth the officer putting himself at risk.
If he hadn't made an attempt to stab the officer, I would say differently. Just out on the street, all human life is equal. But when things get violent, the agressor is always, always, always in the wrong, and his life drops in value.
The precedent for this is set by the fact that courts will often go easier on people who acted in self defense.
If you can hop on one leg, you can lunge with one leg. Infact, I just tried it. It worked. Maybe you're just less athleticaly inclined than I am, but I could easily have stabbed someone a mere 2-3 feet away.
Did the officer do the right thing? Maybe, we don't and can't ever know exactly what happened, and what went through his mind.
But its too late to change things, the officer probably is having a harder time dealing with what happned than you ignorant loud-mouths are. And the would-be murderer didn't suffer. You can make a case for him drawing and firing his weapon, and that automatically means we shouldn't do anything worse than put the officer on desk work.
But do you know what the really disgusting part is? You and all the ignorant loud-mouths like you would still question the Officer's decision to shoot the guy, even had he actually been stabbed. He could have a knife-wound is his side, and you would still say the officer didn't need to shoot the guy.
Now thats disgusting.
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But do you know what the really disgusting part is? You and all the ignorant loud-mouths like you would still question the Officer's decision to shoot the guy, even had he actually been stabbed. He could have a knife-wound is his side, and you would still say the officer didn't need to shoot the guy.
Now thats disgusting.
So we believe this officer to be wrong, and we are ignorant loudmouths? Wow, dont you paint with a pretty wide brush.Of course i question the officers decision to shoot the guy. The moment I/we citizens stop questioning a situation that sounds like a total blunder, is the moment that our lives become devalued.
I lived first hand the stresses that police officers go thru on a daily basis, from my dad (PA State Trooper) telling us horrifying stories, to my mom wondering if he is going to come home at night. But dont think for one second you loose all culpability for your actions just because you put on a badge.
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Questioning is one thing, but thats not what most do.
Most simply go around exclaiming how horrible and bad the police are, and how they're all out to slam small defensless women to the ground, and shoot people in wheel chairs. Everyone knows their primary goal is to terrorize the public.
Honestly, threads like this just piss me off. Their sole intent is to give an example of how bad the police are. The attitude is almost never questioning, almost always accusatory.
Was the officer wrong? I don't know; I don't have all the nessecary information, and I don't feel I have the right to judge whether or not the officer made "the right decision" in any case, as I don't think such things can be put in black and white terms like that. Could the officer have made a better decision? Maybe, perhaps even probably.
However the decision was already made, wasn't an actively poor decision (the only poor decisions would have been to do nothing, and to wildly discharge his firearm in random directions), and had no consequences for any not involved. Because of that, I'm giving the officer the benefit of the doubt.
And let me be clear, you aren't wrong for forming your own opinion, or questioning the officer's actions, but because many of you would form the same opinion even if the officer had been injured. Its the ASSUMPTION of guilt that really gets me going.
"What, you were in the ER for a stab-wound, and it missed puncturing your lung by 1/3rd of an inch? How can you justify firing your weapon? You should have used pepper spray!"
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I know why the pen was a dangerous weapon... it was a Sharpie.
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People here can pass judgement on a newspaper article. No one in this thread was there and or knows what actually happened. It was the officers patner that made the shot. Maybe the officer that made the shot did not see it was a pen. Things can happen fast. Its unfortunate that it did happen.
I wasn't there so I am not going to pass judgement on a newspaper article.
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It's real lucky these cops had guns to save themselves, in another country where the police perhaps don't carry firearms as standard they would be at the mercy of any wheelchair bound mental health patient with a pen and probably die gg
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LOL coombzy your still not answering the question and Ink it's easy to say something on a internet board I dont think you have ever stood for anything in your life(see easy) Lol cowardly? Yeah you know me. I think both of you are the cowards infact I know it since almost all of your posts resort to name calling lol if you had any SHRED of dignity or self confidence you would not have to resort to childish name calling, if an opinion differs than yours its cowardly. or moronic or idiotic lol just so ignorant I can't even imagine how timid you are in real life. Grow up even though you guys want to name call I still think somewhere in you is a decent guy with a little humility and less ego. I'm not saying offing this guy was cool death never is but I'm not going to sit here and be a computer chair judge the guy attcked and got put down plan and simple.
By context you are name calling as I see it you know since I can read and comprehend
what if you had 2 brain cells to rub together? we wouldn't be having this discussion :)
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I've not a shred of care for a cop that might have died, while I pray for this crippled man and his relatives.
This country puts entirely too much focus on the police force and their jobs, to the point that the cops get more recognition than a soldier from the same community gets for dying in war.
Not to mention that the entire profession is mired by brutality and cops that don't know their bounds.
I'll start caring more for pigs when they are drafted and have no choice. Maybe then we'll see less roadkill from them and more professionalism.
Until then, they have a career choice. And they are who the sleep with.
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Hamhawk why don't you re-read the thread and see who starts name calling, you or me? :)
Hint: it was you
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What I get a kick out is how those who were not there and have never worn the badge/shield/star of a LEO are the most vocal about how evil, lazy, zealous, and otherwise such horrible human beings.
First, remember that hindsight is 20/20. Second, do your best to visualize a shiny object flashing around in someone's hand as it swings close to you, you first though is to "not get cut or stabbed" (trust me, I've been there). Thirdly, do not discount anyone that in "confined" to a wheelchair, crutches, or other such typical hindrance since they are accustomed to being able to move such things in manners in which those of us who don't use them or know nothing about them. Case in point: my wife (a nurse) was pinned to a wall by a wheel chair "piloted" by a pissed off elderly man, he knew how to get the leverage using the wheels and his weight, my wife had some nice bruises on her lower legs when it was all over. This guy had the LEO cornered and was swinging something shiny at him trying to do him harm. Sure, in hindsight we think he could have used a taser, or OC, or the Asp baton, or some other tool but he didnt. Now we as "the people" may need to decide if he went too far in the use of force. Until he is found guilty of that I will give the LEO the benefit of the doubt because I have walked a mile in his shoes. Those of you who have not need to shut your pie holes, sit back, and get back to pickin' your nose and eating the profound discoveries of your life quest.
The best "discussions" of this topic are that involving the Rodney King fiasco. :aok THAT is a fun issue to educate people on. ;)
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Coombz, in situations like that, hesitation can kill. Had the officer hesitated, the man could have lunged at him, and maybe the knife would have connected that second time.
By the simple fact that the man tried to stab the officer, the man's life is worth a fraction of the officer's safety.
And the officers life? Its easily 100 orders of magnitude more valuable than the life of the bellybutton who tried to stab him.
sit on your favorite desk chair and using only one leg try to lunge at anybody without using your hand. see how far you get. I tried it now you try it and see how far you can stab somebody.
semp
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Hamhawk why don't you re-read the thread and see who starts name calling, you or me? :)
Hint: it was you
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Your offended about Hitler or libtard? I accreditied the libtard to the person who named you a liberal so I didnt name call I quoted. Poor Editorial skills stike again coombzy.
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Couldn't care less, just pointing out that your whining about name calling is hypocritical BS :)
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sit on your favorite desk chair and using only one leg try to lunge at anybody without using your hand. see how far you get. I tried it now you try it and see how far you can stab somebody.
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Semp you know your beer belly got in the way.
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Couldn't care less, just pointing out that your whining about name calling is hypocritical BS :)
Yet I never name called soo.... your point is completely asinine :aok You can't throw out nonfact and expect the world to eat them up Coombz
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What is calling ink a coward then?
Ugh this is beyond sad arguing about such things
I actually have not name called in this thread but i will now. You are like a child. What's that old saying about arguing with idiots? They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
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What is calling ink a coward then?
Ugh this is beyond sad arguing about such things
I actually have not name called in this thread but i will now. You are like a child. What's that old saying about arguing with idiots? They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
LOL once again showing your editorial skills , how do you keep employment? How did you even get out of school with such poor comprehension skills? Pehaps it is you that should reread this thread?
By context sinceyou say my posts are retared you are saying my thought process is so you are asyaing I am.
each of your posts is more retarded than the last,
really as stupid as you are coming off in this thread :headscratch:
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LOL once again showing your editorial skills , how do you keep employment? How did you even get out of school with such poor comprehension skills? Pehaps it is you that should reread this thread?
and you with your superior education type this paragraph. oh and go back and count how many times you have insulted me even though i have yet to say anything about you.
LOL coombzy your still not answering the question and Ink it's easy to say something on a internet board I dont think you have ever stood for anything in your life(see easy) Lol cowardly? Yeah you know me. I think both of you are the cowards infact I know it since almost all of your posts resort to name calling lol if you had any SHRED of dignity or self confidence you would not have to resort to childish name calling, if an opinion differs than yours its cowardly. or moronic or idiotic lol just so ignorant I can't even imagine how timid you are in real life. Grow up even though you guys want to name call I still think somewhere in you is a decent guy with a little humility and less ego. I'm not saying offing this guy was cool death never is but I'm not going to sit here and be a computer chair judge the guy attcked and got put down plan and simple.
semp
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and you with your superior education type this paragraph.
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Lol I never claimed to have a superior education Semp. I just know I am entittled to an opinion and that some people will point fingers a cry villian if they dont like someone's opinion. You guys are not going to change my opinion that the cop is justified from what is in the report. I also will not change your opinion(atlease one side has to have reson and humility). Nor, have I attadcked your opinion as being wrong as a opinion can not be 'wrong'
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This will be my last post in this thread
Pointing out that you are making stupid posts is not an ad hominem attack
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This will be my last post in this thread
Pointing out that you are making stupid posts is not an ad hominem attack
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For someoe who has problems with context and comprehension I would expect such a defense of thier actions. good thing you know when to cut your losses. You never did answer my question AGAIN.
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What I get a kick out is how those who were not there and have never worn the badge/shield/star of a LEO are the most vocal about how evil, lazy, zealous, and otherwise such horrible human beings.
First, remember that hindsight is 20/20. Second, do your best to visualize a shiny object flashing around in someone's hand as it swings close to you, you first though is to "not get cut or stabbed" (trust me, I've been there). Thirdly, do not discount anyone that in "confined" to a wheelchair, crutches, or other such typical hindrance since they are accustomed to being able to move such things in manners in which those of us who don't use them or know nothing about them. Case in point: my wife (a nurse) was pinned to a wall by a wheel chair "piloted" by a pissed off elderly man, he knew how to get the leverage using the wheels and his weight, my wife had some nice bruises on her lower legs when it was all over. This guy had the LEO cornered and was swinging something shiny at him trying to do him harm. Sure, in hindsight we think he could have used a taser, or OC, or the Asp baton, or some other tool but he didnt. Now we as "the people" may need to decide if he went too far in the use of force. Until he is found guilty of that I will give the LEO the benefit of the doubt because I have walked a mile in his shoes. Those of you who have not need to shut your pie holes, sit back, and get back to pickin' your nose and eating the profound discoveries of your life quest.
The best "discussions" of this topic are that involving the Rodney King fiasco. :aok THAT is a fun issue to educate people on. ;)
Just to clarify, you do understand it was not the "cornered/threatened" LEO that shot him (in the head) - don't you?
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its pretty rediculas to shoot a man in a wheelchair period! the second cop could've knocked him over and cuffed his hand to his leg. problem solved. did he really have to shoot him? i don't care who you are, cop or not, there is absolutely no way to justify that action, even if lefty was being belligerent, there's no justification for it! they might as well have shot a dog! if the guy had a gun or a knife, ok fine, im good with that, but a wheelchair bound,1 arm, 1 leg amputee? really?? come on!
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How the heck does a double amputee pose any threat to a police officer?
PS - this is what I thought of when I read this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
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sit on your favorite desk chair and using only one leg try to lunge at anybody without using your hand. see how far you get. I tried it now you try it and see how far you can stab somebody.
semp
spun the chair around, and lunged at the couch (behind me when on the computer). Guess what common household object thats hard and couch-shaped that I reached from my chair!
Unless you're overweight, its not that difficult. And even if you're overweight, you can certianly get more than 2-3 feet of distance with even a sort of half-lunge half-fall.
Your arm itself is probably around 2 1/2 - 3 feet long.
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Lol I never claimed to have a superior education Semp. I just know I am entittled to an opinion and that some people will point fingers a cry villian if they dont like someone's opinion. You guys are not going to change my opinion that the cop is justified from what is in the report. I also will not change your opinion(atlease one side has to have reson and humility). Nor, have I attadcked your opinion as being wrong as a opinion can not be 'wrong'
nobody says that you have to change your opinion. as far as I know it's just a discussion. but if you are complaining about being insulted by others while you attempt to insult me then pm and accuse me of trolling you while you keep making your little comments to me that I normally ignore for you are the one trolling. then please lets do each other a favor and add to the ignore list as I already added you to mine :salute.
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This is truly a sad story.
I feel really bad for the guy in the wheelchair. I empathize and can feel his anger and frustration. I can understand why he might have an uncontrolled moment now and then. I would really not want to be him.
I'm surprised that those who ran the home thought they needed to call the police after knowing him for 18 months and witnesssing his anger before.
I feel bad for the police officer. If I were him I would feel ashamed and I would feel that I had been a coward for reacting so violently. I would feel I had failed to control the situation and myself when my training should have allowed me to have the patience and the skill to help this man.
This is a sad and violent world we live in. Even here, discussing this with our friends, I see anger. We have not controlled our emotions. We have not acted in a civil manner to each other. We have allowed our differences to divide us instead of learning, sharing and teaching. Our young members see us attack each other, mirroring the tragedy that happened between the officer and the disabled man.
Where is our humanity? Why do we allow a discussion to escalate into chaos?
Be quiet. Calm yourselves. Take responsiblity for each other. Allow your fellow man to make mistakes and embrace him because his weakness is what makes him human.
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spun the chair around, and lunged at the couch (behind me when on the computer). Guess what common household object thats hard and couch-shaped that I reached from my chair!
Unless you're overweight, its not that difficult. And even if you're overweight, you can certianly get more than 2-3 feet of distance with even a sort of half-lunge half-fall.
Your arm itself is probably around 2 1/2 - 3 feet long.
i can jump about 6 feet if i go down hill but that's not how the wheel chair works. you have one foot on the floor and you cant use your arm. so no turning the desk chair. you would have to be in pretty good shape to even get out of the chair and stand up without using your hands even if your foot was on the floor.
semp
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I've not a shred of care for a cop that might have died, while I pray for this crippled man and his relatives.
This country puts entirely too much focus on the police force and their jobs, to the point that the cops get more recognition than a soldier from the same community gets for dying in war.
Not to mention that the entire profession is mired by brutality and cops that don't know their bounds.
I dont even know where to start with this BS post.......Let me get a cup of coffee in me and ill respond
<edit> make that 2 cups......the absurdity of your post will require 2 to wrap my brain around it
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Just to clarify, you do understand it was not the "cornered/threatened" LEO that shot him (in the head) - don't you?
Where the shot landed is not important. In a court of law a shot fired is a shot fired, there is no warning shot, no wounding shot, or otherwise any shot fired that will not be construed as being than that of one that was fired "to end the situation". The issues that come in to play are "how many shots were fired", and "when where they fired". If the perpetrator had been hit in X body part and been thrown from the chair on to the floor and the LEO kept firing then sure there are grounds to call for "use of excessive force". In this case, if there was one shot fired and that once shot hit the perp in the head it is highly unfortunate for both parties involved. We have 1 person dead and another scarred for life.
Also, if the LEO was cornered and was unable to use proper sighting techniques for fear of exposing his gun to the perp, it is quite possible that a shot was fired using a non-traditional stance and/or grip. For instance, we were taught then when in "tight quarters" (within arm's reach or a few steps away), to not fully extend the pistol out for obvious reasons. We practiced firing with the gun close in and tight (under the arm pit, from the hip, across the chest), and from many positions (standing, kneeling, sitting, prone on side/back/stomach, etc). Oh, and we practiced using either hand, too (using the "off" hand is difficult enough while using a supported stance, doing it under stress while getting beat on from a odd position is another).
My point is, none of were there and none of us saw it. I caution everyone to be very careful rushing to judgement of either the [evil power abusing] LEO, or the [poor defenseless wheelchair bound amputee] of the perpetrator. As usual there are far more things we do not know about the situation than that of the "facts" we know. Remember that, it holds true is a vast majority of things in life. :aok
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nobody says that you have to change your opinion. as far as I know it's just a discussion. but if you are complaining about being insulted by others while you attempt to insult me then pm and accuse me of trolling you while you keep making your little comments to me that I normally ignore for you are the one trolling. then please lets do each other a favor and add to the ignore list as I already added you to mine :salute.
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I never said anything to you other than the beer belly thing lol and If you get upset about that I feel sorry for you. I was mainly respponding to coombz oh well., shouldnt you be calling the cops on children for playing?
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This thread delivers on FAIL through and through. It's amazing how many are so quick to judge the situation based upon a media report that likely contains few facts and far too much hype so it sells.
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How the heck does a double amputee pose any threat to a police officer?
PS - this is what I thought of when I read this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
With a metallic object that may have been a screwdriver. which could easily kill.
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exactly the whole reason cops have guns is so that they can protect themselves against violent wheelchair bound cripples who make them fear for their lives
there is no such thing as excessive force when you are dealing with a mentally ill double amputee wielding a pen :salute
I think they should move all the violent folks to your neighborhood. You seem to be ok with them.
Most all folks I know in wheelchairs expect to be treated equally. If this criminal expected special treatment he was dead wrong.
None of us were there and know what exactly happened. Neither was the reporter.
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I think they should move all the violent folks to your neighborhood. You seem to be ok with them.
Most all folks I know in wheelchairs expect to be treated equally. If this criminal expected special treatment he was dead wrong.
None of us were there and know what exactly happened. Neither was the reporter.
Im basing my whole argument on he had the cop cornered was trying to stab with a metallic object that got close to the guys partner, I dont know why the guy shot , guess he wasn't close enough to grab the dude but I can see how he would fear for his partners life, you dont think " oh its just a little metal object hes trying to shank my partner with" in that situation you react. Im sure hes upset now, but at the time how was he to know its a pen? A pen can do damage anywya, maybe dude was is a electric wheelchair those have got to behard to flip with someone sitting in it, alls it would take is one luck strike, i the wrong spot by the guy in the wheel chair and a cop could have died.
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What was the whole story?
Not a media story, the full facts?
If anyone tries to stab me with Anything I will use Maximum force and hope its enough :old:
The police are not there to accept injury, they are a physical representation of the law.
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What was the whole story?
Not a media story, the full facts?
If anyone tries to stab me with Anything I will use Maximum force and hope its enough :old:
The police are not there to accept injury, they are a physical representation of the law.
You better censor this Zack before your countrymen find out and take away your pies.
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From the stated article. "The officer was forced into an area where he had no way to get out."
If anyone is pinning me or any member of my family, partner, friend, or whatever relationship in an area where I or they could not get out and I was carrying a weapon.. You bet your money i would shoot. Its bad that it happened to a guy that was mentally ill. He might not had control over himself. However, the officers did not know that. Nor did they know it was a pen.
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If someone was mentally ill and was trying to do me harm I would use maximum force and hope it was enough :old:
I have been attacked at work by someone who was mentally ill, he was related to a big shot in the company.
They tried to cover it up until I threatened to sue them.
He had been sacked from a previous job for attacking someone.
Mental illness is no defense for violent behavior.
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I've not a shred of care for a cop that might have died, while I pray for this crippled man and his relatives.
This country puts entirely too much focus on the police force and their jobs, to the point that the cops get more recognition than a soldier from the same community gets for dying in war.
Not to mention that the entire profession is mired by brutality and cops that don't know their bounds.
I'll start caring more for pigs when they are drafted and have no choice. Maybe then we'll see less roadkill from them and more professionalism.
Until then, they have a career choice. And they are who the sleep with.
I imagine you have no respect for prison officers or probation officers either? Been picked up a few times? :aok
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I was in hospital other month and it had a sign in the ward "If anyone is physically or verbally abusive to staff they will ejected from the hospital"
Why is this up?
It highlights that people are so ignorant and stupid they have to have it written down how to behave :old:
Its not a legal require, "I am sorry officer I did not know you cannot attack people" :old:
There is more to this police story :old:
ALL. criminals have mentall issues!
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To be honest I haven't seen enough to judge for myself whether the cops were right or not, although at face value it seems excessive.
I am however thoroughly mesmerised by the two page kindergarten style,name calling saga. Excellent work chaps. Keep it up :salute
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:noid
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HPD is on a good run lately, avoid Houston if possible.
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HPD is on a good run lately, avoid Houston if possible.
Or, just stop committing crime there. Fairly sure it's a great place to be if you aren't trying to prove the pen mightier than sword adage, on an armed bizzy
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Bizzy? Slang for police officer I gather never heard that before is it short for somehting or another hip way to say Bobby?
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HPD is on a good run lately, avoid Houston if possible.
Yes.. if you are a criminal go to NY... the police will shoot everyone around you and you.
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HPD is not exactly known for their integrity. :old:
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Bizzy? Slang for police officer I gather never heard that before is it short for somehting or another hip way to say Bobby?
Doubt I have ever said anything 'hip' in my life :lol
Bizzie's or Busy's is an old name for the police. Meaning busybodies. Same as Old Bill, Filth, Scuffer, Pig and a plethora of others
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HPD is not exactly known for their integrity. :old:
The majority of Houston could break-off into the gulf and nothing of value would be lost.
It's seriously a nasty city.
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The majority of Houston could break-off into the gulf and nothing of value would be lost.
It's seriously a nasty city.
You should have been there in 70's. I worked as yardman/night watchman for a trucking company at 610 & 59 the summer of '77. Sounded like a war zone every night. We found random bullet holes in the office shack all the time.
Houston isn't Texas. It's an east coast city that somehow wound up in Texas. Remember how people cheered when they nuked Houston in Independence Day?
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Doubt I have ever said anything 'hip' in my life :lol
Bizzie's or Busy's is an old name for the police. Meaning busybodies. Same as Old Bill, Filth, Scuffer, Pig and a plethora of others
Old Bill the Bizzie? I may have to steal that lol.
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You should have been there in 70's. I worked as yardman/night watchman for a trucking company at 610 & 59 the summer of '77. Sounded like a war zone every night. We found random bullet holes in the office shack all the time.
Houston isn't Texas. It's an east coast city that somehow wound up in Texas. Remember how people cheered when they nuked Houston in Independence Day?
things have changed a little since 1977
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The majority of Houston could break-off into the gulf and nothing of value would be lost.
It's seriously a nasty city.
lol I do always say that Houston is the arm pit of Texas.
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sit on your favorite desk chair and using only one leg try to lunge at anybody without using your hand. see how far you get. I tried it now you try it and see how far you can stab somebody.
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Now sit there for a few years and see how you can adapt.
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This thread refuses to stop.
Is anyone still following the news regarding this subject? Just curious.
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FBI is investigating
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Seems excessive to me...two able bodied police officers couldn't overpower a double amputee in a wheelchair? How about thwacking him over the head with a billy club....mace...taser? Pushing over the wheelchair?
Of all the options, pulling out a pistol and shooting the guy to death?
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You should have been there in 70's. I worked as yardman/night watchman for a trucking company at 610 & 59 the summer of '77. Sounded like a war zone every night. We found random bullet holes in the office shack all the time.
Houston isn't Texas. It's an east coast city that somehow wound up in Texas. Remember how people cheered when they nuked Houston in Independence Day?
Texas IS Houston and Houston IS Texas as much as ALL of California is Frisco. :devil :banana: :bolt: