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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on October 06, 2012, 05:13:04 PM
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Fox 1 !
Splash 1 drone!
No Chute!
Regards,
Sun
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1881993093001/israeli-air-force-strikes-down-drone
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No Chute!
You don't say?
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You don't mess with the Zohan!!
Great vid, kaplooyee!!!
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I don't think so. That looks very much like an F/A-18 that zooms past after impact. If so, problematic as the IDF does not operate the Hornet. Maybe it isn't a Hornet. Maybe it was a joint mission with the US, Spain or Switzerland (three operators of Hornets in region.) Or, maybe it was actually a US test at White Sands or somewhere in the US and was posted as an Israeli test for propaganda purposes.
Thoughts or corrections?
Boo
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I don't think so. That looks very much like an F/A-18 that zooms past after impact. If so, problematic as the IDF does not operate the Hornet. Maybe it isn't a Hornet. Maybe it was a joint mission with the US, Spain or Switzerland (three operators of Hornets in region.) Or, maybe it was actually a US test at White Sands or somewhere in the US and was posted as an Israeli test for propaganda purposes.
Thoughts or corrections?
Boo
Looked to me like an IDF F-16. I say this because it didn't appear to have the dual vertical stabilizers.
What interests me the most is where the drone may have come from. With the way our government has been treating the Jews lately, this would be a black eye if it was found to be American. My guess is that it was either a very low-tech model being flown by Hezbollah or one of it's allies, or it is an American model being used to keep tabs on the area.
I may have missed it, but where exactly did the shoot-down take place?
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plane was a f16i out of ramon ab in the south, most clues so far point to hizballah as an iranian test of aerial detections systems
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I may have missed it, but where exactly did the shoot-down take place?
According to a Ynet report it was downed around Yatir Forest, which is approximately between Hebron and Beer Sheva.
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plane was a f16i out of ramon ab in the south, most clues so far point to hizballah as an iranian test of aerial detections systems
It likely came from Lebanon over the med sea, but these are not the known Hizballah drones that the IAF shot down in 2006. Communicating with a drone at these distances require more than standard equipment, which means that either it was autonomous on a per-designated route, or that a larger player (starts with "I", ends with "n", and is not "Irelandn" or "Iraqn") was involved with more sophisticated means.
The IAF is all dressed up with no where to go since an attack on Iran is not likely in the immediate future. It is a bad time to poke it unless Hizballah wants to bring ruin to Lebanon all over again. When the bombs are already attached to the planes, the pilots are eager to use them on something, not to put them back in the ammo bunker.
Hizballah is Iran's long arm and its only way to effectively hurt Israel. However, Hizballah are Lebanese and they need to appear to the Lebanese people as the defenders and not the aggressors if they are about to bring ruin to their country. Therefore they need to poke at Israel in order to invoke a retaliation that can be escalated. Once that is accomplished, they are ready to assist Iran.
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bozon, i agree but im sure barak is twisting in his seat wright now, and bibi probably already sat with pardo to find creative ways to make sure this doesnt go quietly...
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Meanwhile in Jordan....
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26232318/meanwhileinjordan.jpg)
:D
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False flag operation? Just asking.
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False flag operation?
was my first thought too
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Looks like an F-16 to me.
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The UAV or whatever it is just went well Pooof.
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I don't think so. That looks very much like an F/A-18 that zooms past after impact. If so, problematic as the IDF does not operate the Hornet. Maybe it isn't a Hornet. Maybe it was a joint mission with the US, Spain or Switzerland (three operators of Hornets in region.) Or, maybe it was actually a US test at White Sands or somewhere in the US and was posted as an Israeli test for propaganda purposes.
Thoughts or corrections?
Boo
Switzaland don't help anyone, so its not them :old:
Hi Viperious hows UBS Warburg doing? :rofl
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Meanwhile in Jordan....
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26232318/meanwhileinjordan.jpg)
:D
I'm sure he's happy he wasn't in it flying..
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What's the cost of the drone vs missile :D
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What's the cost of the drone vs missile :D
Israeli Python 5 AAM: Expensive
Hizballah Drone: Cheap
Watching the superb IAF in action: Priceless
Some things money just cant buy. :aok
Regards,
Sun
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Israeli Python 5 AAM: Expensive
Hizballah Drone: Cheap
Watching the superb IAF in action: Priceless
Some things money just cant buy. :aok
Regards,
Sun
If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.
What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!
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As boson said this drone wasn't a standerd hizbollah drone, plus you can't make those equations when it comes to security. People say the same thing about iron dome but it has prevented tens of millions in property damage and loss of lives.
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It likely came from Lebanon over the med sea, but these are not the known Hizballah drones that the IAF shot down in 2006. Communicating with a drone at these distances require more than standard equipment, which means that either it was autonomous on a per-designated route, or that a larger player (starts with "I", ends with "n", and is not "Irelandn"
IYou never know it could be 'Irelandn'. We have Irish troops in Lebanon and we have drones. They lost one previously in Chad. The operator lost communication with it :joystick: and it's default programme in that event was the 'Return to base'.
Can you guess which country sold us the drone? It was Israel. Maybe it was going home! :D
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I've watched this 20+ times. I swear up and down it is an F/A-18, not an F-16. I have watched and been around the operations of both jets literally thousand plus times. Admitted, I am not a pilot but having trained as a tanker/Cav scout with both in CAS role and seen far more F-16s then F/A-18's....I still think that is a Hornet.
So then I read the 'thinking out loud' comment about this being a false flag operation....I still have the testimony given before a Senate Select Committee in 1989 by a retired three-star Admiral testifying that the Gulf of Tonkin incident did not happen on his watch....
False flag? No idea but I can't buy that is an F-16. I've been wrong before though.
Boo
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26232318/iaf-f16.PNG)
That's an F-16. The 18 does not have drooping elevators.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26232318/F16-122.jpg)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26232318/F-18-Hornet-8.jpg)
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As for the false flag conspiracy: When did Israel ever need an excuse to blow stuff up?
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Nice still shot from video though at that angle drooping elevators may not be noticeable. And pulling through the verticle would account for the elevators not being level but changed angle of attack. The rear fuselage appears wider then an F-16, allowing for two GE404s.
Good shots but I remain unconvinced.
Boo
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If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.
What is the ratio of budget of Israel and Hizballa? Selling drugs is profitable, but Israel high tech industry is even more so. For the personnel, they are already on the payroll, and active operations count towards their training. They also enjoy this and the public likes to see Hizballa stuff blowing up. Israel's #1 export, even more than high tech, is news.
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If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.
What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!
But just think of the amount of awesome video as the IAF whacks drone after drone!
And after a while, if this attrition strategy is attempted, the IAF would likely go to a guns VS drones cure.
And they would get some AtoA gun training for their aircrew!
"Guns! Guns! Guns!"
What's the cost ratio of 50 20mm HEI cannon rounds VS 1 drone, eh? :)
Here's some bonus IAF aviation video joy:
History Channels recreations "Dogfights in the Middle east":
The advent of the F-15 in the IAF
Starts at the 5:20 mark part 4 and continuing in part 5.
"Then, in 1979, using a new generation of American built aircraft, the Israelis will introduce the world to the modern age of dog-fighting."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J23dIiW_PU0
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGr31i_l6pQ&feature=relmfu
Regards,
Sun
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It's an f-16. No twin tail there, it would be seen if it was an 18.
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It's an f-16. No twin tail there, it would be seen if it was an 18.
Nor is the single tail of an F-16I visible. I think it is other charateristics that become important. For anyone who has engaged in ID training programs you know how easy it is for people to misidentify very simple things. The easy answer is 'it's in F-16I' because that is what the Israelis fly and it fits the overall description. From the first time I saw the plane zoom by to the last I remain unconvinced.
It should be noted that the US and Israel have worked very closely on these types of programs. Not only drones but Aegis, CCWIS, Arrow, ABM, SM-3, etc. It is not out of the question that there may be US Hornets in the area. Maybe this was training, maybe it was live. It would not be the first time the US and Israel have collaborated on a program that they would deny publicly forever.
I'm stubborn but...
Boo
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If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.
What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!
Problem with that theory is eventually the Israeli's get tired of screwing around with drone launchers and vaporize the launch site.
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Nor is the single tail of an F-16I visible. I think it is other charateristics that become important. For anyone who has engaged in ID training programs you know how easy it is for people to misidentify very simple things. The easy answer is 'it's in F-16I' because that is what the Israelis fly and it fits the overall description. From the first time I saw the plane zoom by to the last I remain unconvinced.
It should be noted that the US and Israel have worked very closely on these types of programs. Not only drones but Aegis, CCWIS, Arrow, ABM, SM-3, etc. It is not out of the question that there may be US Hornets in the area. Maybe this was training, maybe it was live. It would not be the first time the US and Israel have collaborated on a program that they would deny publicly forever.
I'm stubborn but...
Boo
The video was released by the IAF claiming it's an F-16. Even if, big if, it's a false flag op, why would they use footage of a non-Israeli jet when it would cost them pocket change to up a genuine F-16i and shoot down a target drone just for show? Occam's razor.
As for the economic debate going on, that's just silly; Israel has a huge defense budget and Rafael produces thousands of missiles each year. This would be the fourth drone they've shot down in six years...
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The video was released by the IAF claiming it's an F-16. Even if, big if, it's a false flag op, why would they use footage of a non-Israeli jet when it would cost them pocket change to up a genuine F-16i and shoot down a target drone just for show? Occam's razor.
Yep, why would Nokia use a DSLR to shoot sample pictures for adverts when they could have used their own quality camera instead...
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Because they don't have a quality camera. Silly comparison.
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That is an F18 just look at its tail and compare to another photo, the tail end where the jets are is bigger than an f16
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Because they don't have a quality camera. Silly comparison.
nokia actually have very good quality cameras on some of their phones
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I hope folks who claim it's not an F-16 don't operate anything that could shoot down planes :D
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It is not out of the question that there may be US Hornets in the area. Maybe this was training, maybe it was live. It would not be the first time the US and Israel have collaborated on a program that they would deny publicly forever.
It is out of the question. There are no F-18s currently in Israel. Israel is a very small country, they have nowhere to hide. When F-18s are there, everybody knows that they are there. On top of that, no way I hell will Israel let another airforce defend its airspace, as friendly as it may be. This is completely unthinkable. And why would Israel do that? The US has nothing better than what Israel already have unless they bring F-22s. The Israeli F16s are actually better equipped than the American ones for anything except BVR.
For the conspiracy theory, you can claim that the footage is unrelated to the incident, but then again this is silly. In a place like Israel where just about everyone knows someone who is in the airforce and was involved, this will leak out very fast. The Israeli media is vicious when the IDF spokesman is inaccurate. They nearly flamed the previous spokesman when it was reported that a terrorist group was attacked from the air by a plane and (just hours) later the media found out that it was a helicopter.
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nokia actually have very good quality cameras on some of their phones
Nothing comparable to a professional DSLR camera, which is what they used to "cheat" in the commercial. It's a silly comparison because it's not like the Israeli air force lack the capability to shoot down drones. Their F-16i's are probably better at it than any F-18. There is no reason why the IAF would need to "cheat" to make that video (unlike Nokia).
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Nothing comparable to a professional DSLR camera, which is what they used to "cheat" in the commercial. It's a silly comparison because it's not like the Israeli air force lack the capability to shoot down drones. Their F-16i's are probably better at it than any F-18. There is no reason why the IAF would need to "cheat" to make that video (unlike Nokia).
Actually the Nokia phone takes pictures that are comparable to a DSLR in many situations. It can't compete in optics but the chip is very advanced in low lighting for example. And Pureview 808 has a 42 megapixel chip - yup.
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Two worlds, both grounded in reality.
Vehicle identification is frequently found to be in error. That picture has characteristics of an F/A-18. The strongest reason it is an F-16i is because the media release says it is and it fits the overall theme. Misidentification happens all of the time. Sorry, strong words of condemnation will not sway me either.
Second, misinformation. There are many reasons why these things have happened for thousands of years. And yes, both America and Israel engage in this just as every nation does. Hamas is an expert at it, as is the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, etc.
The simpliest explanation is likely the most accurate, Ocham's razor. Yes, that does not always explain everything. Remember last year how a US drone went down in Iran? Do you believe the official story on that? If so, you blew it big time. That drone was a set up to plant viruses related to the nuc program Iran insists is not weaponized.
The more things change the more they stay the same. What goes on in the Middle East is about spin, propaganda and disinformation by all sides for decades. Why would they do it? Maybe it was so simple as to send a message and the best video they had was this, and it actually happened in New Mexico but who is going to know?! Plenty of reasons why.
That does not appear to be an F-16i.
Boo
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These conspiracy theories are cracking me up, some are wearing the tin foil hat a little too tightly.
Anyway, it's clearly a F-16 in the video.
ack-ack
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Remember last year how a US drone went down in Iran? Do you believe the official story on that? If so, you blew it big time. That drone was a set up to plant viruses related to the nuc program Iran insists is not weaponized.
LOL!
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mthrockmor, apparently I need to get more tin foil. :headscratch:
MORE TIN FOIL!
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Dunno how anyone can look at the video and think it's anything other than an F-16. :headscratch:
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F-16 vote.
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As for the false flag conspiracy: When did Israel ever need an excuse to blow stuff up?
They just have the west do their dirty work.
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It is out of the question. There are no F-18s currently in Israel. Israel is a very small country, they have nowhere to hide. When F-18s are there, everybody knows that they are there. On top of that, no way I hell will Israel let another airforce defend its airspace, as friendly as it may be. This is completely unthinkable. And why would Israel do that? The US has nothing better than what Israel already have unless they bring F-22s. The Israeli F16s are actually better equipped than the American ones for anything except BVR.
For the conspiracy theory, you can claim that the footage is unrelated to the incident, but then again this is silly. In a place like Israel where just about everyone knows someone who is in the airforce and was involved, this will leak out very fast. The Israeli media is vicious when the IDF spokesman is inaccurate. They nearly flamed the previous spokesman when it was reported that a terrorist group was attacked from the air by a plane and (just hours) later the media found out that it was a helicopter.
WTH do you mean?? If it wasn't for the USA that country would be no more. USA=guardian keeper of Israel. Around the time Bush jr and Sr launched the invasion againts Afghanistan, Israel was really worry that the Saudis were going to unite all muzlims againts them.. The Jews that control the USA government( luminati) quickly decided to allow and help demolish the WTC towers so the masses would support the invasion. They accomplish 2 things, they saved Israel and their pockets got even fatter all at the expence of America. Binladen was in on it, he worked for CIA. is Osama really dead?? Lmfao. Sadam? He was just another casualty necessary. WOMD?? Where?? How did Oil prices go up if when we invaded Iraq we stole their Oil(free) I believe none of the airplane hijackers wered from Afghanistan, only master mind Osama(cia employee) why has Bush jr and sr not been hanged?? they are truly evil. :noid
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They just have the west do their dirty work.
LOL since when?
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LOL since when?
You're joking right?
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Nope. When? What "dirty work" does the "west" do for Israel?
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Nope. When? What "dirty work" does the "west" do for Israel?
Seriously? :huh
You're joking right?
Another soul lost to Post-Traumatic Propagandacosis :frown:
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These conspiracy theories are cracking me up, some are wearing the tin foil hat a little too tightly.
Anyway, it's clearly a F-16 in the video.
ack-ack
Man, you ain't kidding. Especially this guy, I'm guessing he saw Loose Change one too many times.
WTH do you mean?? If it wasn't for the USA that country would be no more. USA=guardian keeper of Israel. Around the time Bush jr and Sr launched the invasion againts Afghanistan, Israel was really worry that the Saudis were going to unite all muzlims againts them.. The Jews that control the USA government( luminati) quickly decided to allow and help demolish the WTC towers so the masses would support the invasion. They accomplish 2 things, they saved Israel and their pockets got even fatter all at the expence of America. Binladen was in on it, he worked for CIA. is Osama really dead?? Lmfao. Sadam? He was just another casualty necessary. WOMD?? Where?? How did Oil prices go up if when we invaded Iraq we stole their Oil(free) I believe none of the airplane hijackers wered from Afghanistan, only master mind Osama(cia employee) why has Bush jr and sr not been hanged?? they are truly evil. :noid
Anyway, remember back in 2005 and early 2006 when we were caught in a meat grinder in Iraq? Do you remember when Israel effectively opened a second front by going to war with Lebanon? Did you know that American casualties in Iraq dropped an average of 19% following the start of hostilities? That's because to a Muslim extremist, any infidel will do. What happened is a lot of foreign fighters from the Mediterranean area flooded into Lebanon to kill Jews as opposed to Iraq to kill other westernized infidels.
Our relationship with the Jews isn't always the most stable, but in that instance they helped us out big time.
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Seriously? :huh
Can't any of you mention some of this "dirty work" the west has done for Israel?
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Can't any of you mention some of this "dirty work" the west has done for Israel?
I can list a few things but this may turn into a ugly war of words. All you have to do is search them with an open mind, and you will see for yourself. Current events and past events make it clear. If you decide to search, listen to those with hard credentials on the matter and not subjective documentaries or crack-pot blogs. It's your choice.
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I call BS. Name one piece of "dirty work" the "west" has done for Israel?
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Don't mind him he probably has high levels of dopamine. Apparently it's common among conspiracy theorists. Explains a lot really.
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Depends on your idea of dirty work.....
The US did ask Israel to not be so harsh in it's reprisals when idiots fire rockets in neighborhoods.
I thought we should let Israel teach them a lesson as they had many times before.
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I was gonna catch up with this thread til I saw (illuinati)
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LOL!
We don't know each other. If you knew me and knew my source it would be the end of the discussion. 99% of that comment would reflect the source. Think about it. The Iranians get their hands on a drone packed with intel, amazingly intact as well. What do you think they did with it, took pictures? Do you think some local sheriff confiscated it and put it in their garage and started a daily tow and storage charge? Or, do you think it was taken in by the highest levels of Iranian intelligence and security. They disassembled it and began scanning it and in so doing harddrives from this drone ended up being connect to completely isolated Iranian intelligence systems? How do you think they managed to insert software that destroyed their centrifuges? Flame and Stuxnet come to mind. Not saying this was the method to plant those specific viruses but some in a position to know insist this was nothing but a plant.
Or, I just made it up. We really don't know each so the most plausible.
Boo
http://thehackernews.com/2012/06/us-and-israel-developed-flame-malware.html#_
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You're actually suggesting the Iranians took a hard drive from a crashed US drone and plugged it into their nuclear facilities?
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You're actually suggesting the Iranians took a hard drive from a crashed US drone and plugged it into their nuclear facilities?
No. Plugged into their secure systems for analysis, yes. From there, like any good virus it tracksd and spreads through a system.
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So you think they have one secure system than encompasses both their intelligence services and their nuclear program? As for the delivery method you suggest, I guess you really can hurl the ring into Mordor.
(http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/TV/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20-%20Crazy%20Boromir%202.gif)
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We don't know each other. If you knew me and knew my source it would be the end of the discussion.
Does he wear his tin foil hat as tight as you do?
99% of that comment would reflect the source. Think about it. The Iranians get their hands on a drone packed with intel, amazingly intact as well. What do you think they did with it, took pictures? Do you think some local sheriff confiscated it and put it in their garage and started a daily tow and storage charge? Or, do you think it was taken in by the highest levels of Iranian intelligence and security. They disassembled it and began scanning it and in so doing harddrives from this drone ended up being connect to completely isolated Iranian intelligence systems? How do you think they managed to insert software that destroyed their centrifuges? Flame and Stuxnet come to mind. Not saying this was the method to plant those specific viruses but some in a position to know insist this was nothing but a plant.
Or, I just made it up. We really don't know each so the most plausible.
Boo
The Stuxnet virus attacks on Iran nuclear facilities started in 2010, long before the US drone crashed in Iranian territory.
ack-ack
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I was gonna catch up with this thread til I saw (illuinati)
:rofl
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plane was a f16i out of ramon ab in the south, most clues so far point to hizballah as an iranian test of aerial detections systems
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Wow lots of tin hats like I said it is an f16 I= conformal fuel tanks = wider body appearance
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No. Plugged into their secure systems for analysis, yes. From there, like any good virus it tracksd and spreads through a system.
If they are that retarded I feel much safer. Somehow I get the feeling that they are not.
WTH do you mean?? If it wasn't for the USA that country would be no more. USA=guardian keeper of Israel. Around the time Bush jr and Sr launched the invasion againts Afghanistan, Israel was really worry that the Saudis were going to unite all muzlims againts them.. The Jews that control the USA government( luminati) quickly decided to allow and help demolish the WTC towers so the masses would support the invasion. They accomplish 2 things, they saved Israel and their pockets got even fatter all at the expence of America. Binladen was in on it, he worked for CIA. is Osama really dead?? Lmfao. Sadam? He was just another casualty necessary. WOMD?? Where?? How did Oil prices go up if when we invaded Iraq we stole their Oil(free) I believe none of the airplane hijackers wered from Afghanistan, only master mind Osama(cia employee) why has Bush jr and sr not been hanged?? they are truly evil. :noid
This has got to be a troll.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIN FOIL OVER HERE!
MORE TIN FOIL!
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The Stuxnet virus attacks on Iran nuclear facilities started in 2010, long before the US drone crashed in Iranian territory.
ack-ack
True. And how that virus was planted was through a "lost" thumb nail that was innocently plugged into a secure computer to check contents? The trick is getting them to plug the virus into their system. And yes, Stuxnet is an example of it. Those in the military community around Ft Campbell insist the drone "crash/shootdown" was a simple effort to gain access to Iran's secure system.
What is a real surprise for me is, regardless of centuries worth of conspiratorial actions in starting wars, even the recent think tank expert openly talking of a "false flag" action to get the war started, we still insist it would never happen now. That we Americans would never do such a thing. How naive do we want to be? Having spent a lifetime in state level politics it is ALWAYS smarter and safer to guess the ulterior motives and nefarious actions as opposed to thinking of issues on their face. Nothing happens by accident in politics, there is always some group or person(s) engaged in some action to advance their interests. In fact, there are entire university courses on how these actions happen, what they look like and how to engage them.
And we call documented history 'tin foil hat time.' It's fun, I know and maybe you are right. The most plausible explanation of the grainy photo is that this is an F-16i with extra tanks, accounting for a width beyond the normal range for an F-16. That aside, this video has not been released because the real refs are back in the NFL and the media doesn't have any more Packers TD catches to report on.
Just the paranpoid world I live in.
Boo
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Just to add to your paranoia, latest research at MIT shows that wearing a tinfoil hat actually improves brainwave reception instead of protecting against it. :old:
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That aside, this video has not been released because the real refs are back in the NFL and the media doesn't have any more Packers TD catches to report on.
The video was released by the IDF spokesman to the Israeli media. NFL is not followed in Israel.
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Just the paranpoid world I live in.
Boo
Hey I know.....You suffer from a condition called.......ummm.....right.. ..."critical thinking." :frown:
How dare you call a spade a spade... :furious
Opinion makers don't like you... :lol
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You're joking right?
Don't be a complete tool Coombzy :old:
Israel is the biggest Aircraft carrier in the Middle east :old:
They do what they are told like everyone else :old:
If you don't like them go and live in Iran they will treat you lie a long lost brother :old:
I have met Palestinian activists in Liverpool, and the stupid liberals(rich) who hang on their every word :old:
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Israel is the biggest Aircraft carrier in the Middle east :old:
If only it was true - we'd sail away from this place, never to return.
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I meant they do what the US tells them, everything they have is due to the US. :old:
The UK dose what to US tells them they owe everything to the Americans.
This notion that countries in the 21st century are independent and can follow independent courses is ridiculous and childish :old:
when the US says jump the Capitalist nations have no choice but to jump.
The Americans won the second world war and they reshaped the Capitalist world.
If you don't like it give all your money away and join a commune :old:
I shot that drone down in a Typhoon by the way, with rockets 1000 yards way as well beat that:old:
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I meant they do what the US tells them :old:
I think you've got it back to front old boy :)
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The US and Israel have a love/hate relationship. Most of the time the US helps Israel... because the Israelis are in the right. Sometimes the US helps Egypt or Jordan... When Israel is not so much in the right.
For each year of 1976-2002, Israel was the largest recipient of U.S. military aid. Egypt was second-largest 1981-2002. In 2010 Israel received $2.7 billion in US military aid. Egypt got $1.3 billion and Jordan $303 million.
Egypt has more than a thousand shiny newly-upgraded M1A2 Abrams tanks. The second largest fleet of M1 tanks anywhere... second only to the US of A herself.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5812/egab3.jpg)
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Just to add to your paranoia, latest research at MIT shows that wearing a tinfoil hat actually improves brainwave reception instead of protecting against it. :old:
This is a lie. They just dont want us to protect ourselves properly. :noid
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I wear a tin foil hat all the time and it has improved my brainwaves tenfold :old:
They are constantly trying to penetrate me but they have failed :old:
Every entrance has been sealed so i will not be probed :old:
I thank you :old:
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Tinder box continues to smolder...spark imminent.
Regards,
Sun
Hezbollah says it sent drone over Israel
The leader of the Lebanese militant Hezbollah group has claimed responsibility for launching the drone aircraft that entered Israeli airspace earlier this week.
The rare admission Thursday by Hassan Nasrallah raises regional tensions at a sensitive time when the group's backers, Syria and Iran, are under pressure.
Earlier Thursday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Hezbollah of launching the drone.
The unmanned aircraft was shot down by Israel, but the infiltration marked a rare breach of Israel's airspace. Hezbollah had been the leading suspect because of its arsenal of sophisticated Iranian weapons and a history of trying to deploy similar aircraft.
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Hezbollah says it sent drone over Israel
The actual quote states "occupied palestine" and not Israel.
However the same quote states "enemy territory." Could that be construed as actual Israel? But the word Israel was not used. :headscratch:
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Pilot should have used his 20mm gatling cannon. The cost of the missile was worth far more than the drone. :t
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Pilot should have used his 20mm gatling cannon. The cost of the missile was worth far more than the drone. :t
The missile was likely from the Python series which are made in Israel and are perhaps the best IR guided missiles in the world. This will improve its sales netting a profit.
The actual quote states "occupied palestine" and not Israel.
However the same quote states "enemy territory." Could that be construed as actual Israel? But the word Israel was not used. :headscratch:
Nasrallah (and also Ahmadinajad) never calls Israel by its name. By "occupied palestine" he means all of Palestine including Israel, not just the "west bank" and Gazza which are referred to as "the Palestinian territories" in western media.
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The missile was likely from the Python series which are made in Israel and are perhaps the best IR guided missiles in the world. This will improve its sales netting a profit.Nasrallah (and also Ahmadinajad) never calls Israel by its name. By "occupied palestine" he means all of Palestine including Israel, not just the "west bank" and Gazza which are referred to as "the Palestinian territories" in western media.
It was a bit weird how close the missile was released though. The plane almost collided to the drone.
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According to some reports the first missile fired at the drone missed, but the second hit. An article said the drone was very small and not much of a target for the IR missile. Evidently it was a "Panther" missile, which the article below says is the most advanced used by the military.
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121010/DEFREG04/310100003/Israel-Air-Traffic-8216-Briefly-Halted-Over-Unidentified-Object-8217-?odyssey=nav%7Chead
Best.
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Nasrallah (and also Ahmadinajad) never calls Israel by its name. By "occupied palestine" he means all of Palestine including Israel, not just the "west bank" and Gazza which are referred to as "the Palestinian territories" in western media.
It's quite a gray area