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Title: Deutsch
Post by: AKKuya on October 09, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
One of the most common misconceptions that Americans think they know about the Continental Congress is that English was 1 vote more than German (Deutsch) as the official language for the United States.

No vote was ever taken for an official language.

How would have history for America been rewritten if German was an official language for America?
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: madhogg on October 09, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
One of the most common misconceptions that Americans think they know about the Continental Congress is that English was 1 vote more than German (Deutsch) as the official language for the United States.

No vote was ever taken for an official language.

How would have history for America been rewritten if German was an official language for America?
I think if German was the primary language for America the whole world would be under One Ruler, Hitler's son or grandson. What side you think the US would have taken in WW2?? Lol
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 10, 2012, 12:28:24 AM
The primary language of Britain is English and the Royal family is very German :rofl
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Motherland on October 10, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
English is practically German with a little Latin vocabulary thrown in for some flair anyway.
Now Russian... that's a different animal.
I took 4 years of German and high school but my University offers Russian classes (and practically every other Slavic language) so I had to give that a shot. What a nightmare it is learning a language with so little relation to English, coming from German.

Я говорю очень плохо по-русски
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Ardy123 on October 10, 2012, 02:32:03 AM
The primary language of Britain is English and the Royal family is very German :rofl

 :rofl :rofl So true!.. House of Windsor straight from House of Hanover
English is practically German with a little Latin vocabulary thrown in for some flair anyway.

Try french.. The Normans had more influence than then English would like to admit.

German and English have many many cognates, but its grammatical structures are different esp around the placement of verbs in the past tense and compound sentences.

All in all old Swedish and Old English have more in common than one might expect... then again Swedish and German are similar... Although I don't know if German has a phrase like ...

pappskalle or Apskalle!
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: klingan on October 10, 2012, 02:55:13 AM
All in all old Swedish and Old English have more in common than one might expect... then again Swedish and German are similar... Although I don't know if German has a phrase like ...

pappskalle or Apskalle!

 :rofl
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Ardy123 on October 10, 2012, 04:51:43 AM
:rofl

hahah I knew someone would appreciate it...

Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: bozon on October 10, 2012, 05:17:46 AM
One of the most common misconceptions that Americans think they know about the Continental Congress is that English was 1 vote more than German (Deutsch) as the official language for the United States.

No vote was ever taken for an official language.

How would have history for America been rewritten if German was an official language for America?
Dasselbe, aber in Deutsch
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 10, 2012, 05:34:09 AM
German is angry English :rofl
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: klingan on October 10, 2012, 05:42:15 AM
German is angry English :rofl

But without hte pies!!
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: GScholz on October 10, 2012, 06:44:14 AM
Try french.. The Normans had more influence than then English would like to admit.

The Normans were not much French at the time of William the Conqueror. At that time they were second and third generation Vikings who held a rather uneasy peace with the French king, who Rollo forced into accepting his autonomous "principality" of Normandy. If not he would burn down Paris... again. They would bring their bastardized language to the British isles; a language created by adopting the local oïl language by the Norse-speaking ruling class, and developed into the regional language which survives today in Normandy. English is very much the bastard language of Europe.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: RngFndr on October 10, 2012, 07:17:56 AM
The primary language of Britain is English and the Royal family is very German :rofl

Inbred too!  :rofl
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 10, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
The Normans were not much French at the time of William the Conqueror. At that time they were second and third generation Vikings who held a rather uneasy peace with the French king, who Rollo forced into accepting his autonomous "principality" of Normandy. If not he would burn down Paris... again. They would bring their bastardized language to the British isles; a language created by adopting the local oïl language by the Norse-speaking ruling class, and developed into the regional language which survives today in Normandy. English is very much the bastard language of Europe.

+1

The last bit about English being the bastard language of Europe, cheers :aok

We have lots of swear words as well :)

That scum bag with the hooks who is getting deported to the US said we are a bunch of Pagans and nothing can be done with us, I felt so proud. :)

Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Lusche on October 10, 2012, 08:50:21 AM
That scum bag with the hooks who is getting deported to the US


You guys are still doing this? Are they still kept on prison ships in Portsmouth or Chatham? You know that they will becoming pirates after arriving in the colonies... I know that from watching Captain Blood! (http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/pirates/t3806.gif)  :old:
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 10, 2012, 09:14:18 AM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:

I am not proud about that :old:

Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Lusche on October 10, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:


This is not limted to Britain... it can happen here too.  :old:
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: gyrene81 on October 10, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:
that is amazingly stupid...someone breaks into my house while i'm there, they will absolutely be attacked.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: minke on October 10, 2012, 09:32:12 AM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:

I am not proud about that :old:



have you read the news? we can now use disproportionate violence to defend ourselves now  :x

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886942 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886942)
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: RTHolmes on October 10, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
that is amazingly stupid

it is also completely inaccurate. it has always been lawful to use reasonable force to protect yourself or your property, to prevent a crime from being committed, to stop a crime in progress, or to detain a suspect until the police arrive. the current govt has made it clear since they got in that this principle will be supported by the police, CPS and courts. and it has - there are several cases where intruders have been killed or maimed by residents and no charges have been brought. only this week they have gone one step further and announced they will be raising the bar for the reasonable force test to give victims of crime more legal protection.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: VonMessa on October 10, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
Pennsylvania "Castle Doctrine" was just changed in favor of those being attacked last year.  It now extends to your property and your person, not just inside the house...
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: MrGeezer on October 10, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:

I am not proud about that :old:



If someone gets over the fence...past the two German Shepherds...and into my house they will recieve a gift from me of .45 ACP rounds to air condition them.

I DO have to clean up the mess and patch up the bullet holes though.  Thank goodness for Lowes and Home Depot.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Ardy123 on October 10, 2012, 12:37:15 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Zack knew what the real 'law' was... Zack trolled the lot of ya....
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 10, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
lies

 :)
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: BreakingBad on October 10, 2012, 01:53:06 PM
One of the most common misconceptions that Americans think they know about the Continental Congress is that English was 1 vote more than German (Deutsch) as the official language for the United States.

No vote was ever taken for an official language.

How would have history for America been rewritten if German was an official language for America?

I have a hard time believing this is true, are you sure about that?  English was the de-facto language spoken in the colonies by the vast majority of people.  Newspapers, law, contracts...all of it in English.  How would German even come close to being considered the official language?
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: AKKuya on October 10, 2012, 02:06:11 PM
I have a hard time believing this is true, are you sure about that?  English was the de-facto language spoken in the colonies by the vast majority of people.  Newspapers, law, contracts...all of it in English.  How would German even come close to being considered the official language?

There were tens of thousands of German and Austrian immigrants that flooded Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey and had German newspapers that blanketed the entire area.  This is what gave credence to the idea that the Continental Congress actually took a vote for an official language.  It was discussed only to weigh the options of distancing themselves from England by speaking a different language but the English speaking representatives never actually desired to put that to a vote.

It was Prussian leadership and discipline that George Washington had to call on to get the Revolutionary army to be stand against the British army.  There was a large slavic influence being culled from during the war.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: madhogg on October 10, 2012, 07:19:53 PM
In America if you are home while they break in, you can kill, but if you are not at home and the perpetrator injures him self inside your home, he can file lawsuit. Lol.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 11, 2012, 12:27:39 AM
In America if you are home while they break in, you can kill, but if you are not at home and the perpetrator injures him self inside your home, he can file lawsuit. Lol.

What happens if he is speaking German at the time? :)
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: madhogg on October 11, 2012, 01:06:59 AM
What happens if he is speaking German at the time? :)
Then you tell him schweigen oder ich werde dich toten.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: VonMessa on October 11, 2012, 07:10:33 AM
In America if you are home while they break in, you can kill, but if you are not at home and the perpetrator injures him self inside your home, he can file lawsuit. Lol.

I can use deadly force if someone is on my property now and the new laws make it very hard for a trespasser to bring a lawsuit against me.

Yeah, Pennsylvania!!!
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Shuffler on October 11, 2012, 09:22:05 AM
This is no place to be talking women's hygiene.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: KgB on October 11, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
The primary language of Britain is English and the Royal family is very German :rofl
Technically all Brits are German:) I read somewhere that Welsh are the only true Britons.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: GScholz on October 11, 2012, 11:50:42 AM
Technically all the people of Europe is a crossbred mix.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: LCADolby on October 11, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
We have a heathly gene pool.  :old:

If you exclude all Royal Families...
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Rob52240 on October 11, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
In Britain you can break into someones house and still get protection from the law if the owner attacks you :old:

I am not proud about that :old:



A lot of states including mine have passed 'castle laws' to protect people inside their own homes.  Basically no matter what happens you don't get prosecuted so long as you call the cops once you're done shooting.  Unfortunately you can be taken to civil court for damages.  According to the officer who certified my permit "just remember, the last thing you want is someone you put in a wheelchair sewing you."

You should suggest your council look into it.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: potsNpans on October 11, 2012, 06:01:26 PM
Our history would not be rewritten due to a change in language, as long as our founding principles remained. Ideas have consequences.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Motherland on October 11, 2012, 08:10:36 PM
Our history would not be rewritten due to a change in language, as long as our founding principles remained. Ideas have consequences.
Once the United States became a world player, I think our 'special relationship' with Britain (which arguably may not have developed once our common language is removed) determined, or at least strongly influenced, a lot of our influences on that stage... it's not at all difficult to imagine that the world may be a much different place today given the reversal of some of our decisions in that field.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: AKKuya on October 11, 2012, 10:19:09 PM
First theory on new American history if German was official language.

The War of 1812 never would've happened.  I believe Early American diplomacy with France and the combined might of Germany/Austria due to common language would've kept England from starting a two front war to reclaim the Colonies.  England was strong but not strong to wage war 3000 miles away over a vast territorial expanse plus be open from coastal attack by both French and German forces seeking to help a new developing free republic.

The Executive Mansion would've not be burned from British forces causing a reconstruction of the building with a fresh coat of white paint.  We would still be referring to the building today only as the Executive Mansion and not the White House.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: eagl on October 11, 2012, 10:50:53 PM
How would have history for America been rewritten if German was an official language for America?

It would have been written in German.  That's how it would have been "re-written".  In German, if that was the language in use instead of English.

Was there a different question you were really trying to ask?
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Motherland on October 11, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
The War of 1812 never would've happened.  I believe Early American diplomacy with France and the combined might of Germany/Austria due to common language would've kept England from starting a two front war to reclaim the Colonies.
Two issues with this being that Prussia and Austria were both allied against Napoleon at this point in time and that neither Austria nor Prussia nor any of the German States that France was holding as puppets had a significant navy to my knowledge. Prussia was also still not quite the power that would later in the century be able to wrest hegemony from Austria yet.
Beyond all that I don't think that the US would've been able to build a relationship with the German speaking world by that point in time and we would have had to have chosen a side in the competition between Prussia and Austria instead of expecting help from the whole of Germany.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 12, 2012, 02:33:24 AM
The fact that the founding fathers of America were if British stock, more importantly middleclass stock cannot be underestimated in its importance.
The colonials were still English in culture and outlook, to make a jump to German,Spanish or a French outlook was not going to happen, there was still suspicion by the colonials of their foreign ways. :)

In the end trade sealed the links between the British and the upperty colonials.

When I was in Fort Verde in Arizona I was surprised how British looking the blue coats uniform looked, English bulldog sidearms and all.

America became the most industrialised country in the world, those blue bloods in New England never left they just kept their heads down.

The Dutch also have a strong link with the British ruling classes and America.
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: doc1kelley on October 12, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
that is amazingly stupid...someone breaks into my house while i'm there, they will absolutely be attacked.

They will not just be attacked if they break into my home while I'm there, they will be absolutely dead!  If ya wound them they can still sue you for damages in civil court.  The old saying holds true... Dead me tell no tales.  I'd much rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

All the Best...

    Jay
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Bizman on October 12, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Although I don't know if German has a phrase like ...

pappskalle or Apskalle!

Pappkopf, Affenkopf  :neener:
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 12, 2012, 12:17:47 PM
Pappkopf, Affenkopf  :neener:

And in finnish we have 'paskalle'  :O

My wife has a bit of royal blood btw. I'm secretly hoping for some freak inheritance accident  :devil
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Ardy123 on October 12, 2012, 12:56:33 PM
Pappkopf, Affenkopf  :neener:
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 12, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
And in finnish we have 'paskalle'  :O

My wife has a bit of royal blood btw. I'm secretly hoping for some freak inheritance accident  :devil

I am King George III and I say off with your head :old:
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: Ardy123 on October 13, 2012, 12:40:55 AM
I am King George III and I say off with your head :old:
yeah, whatever, Imé paskaa!... :neener:
Title: Re: Deutsch
Post by: zack1234 on October 13, 2012, 07:08:53 AM
I don't understand Hungarian :old: