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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nathan60 on October 10, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
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Now they are shooting kids http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/world/asia/girl-shot-by-taliban-in-critical-condition-after-surgery.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/world/asia/girl-shot-by-taliban-in-critical-condition-after-surgery.html?pagewanted=all) Truly despicable people
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Hence them being referred to as an extremest group.
Sounds pretty extreme to me...
Then again, the kid might have deserved it, ya never know...
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Now they are shooting kids http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/world/asia/girl-shot-by-taliban-in-critical-condition-after-surgery.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/world/asia/girl-shot-by-taliban-in-critical-condition-after-surgery.html?pagewanted=all) Truly despicable people
They have always targeted kids.
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They have always targeted kids.
In an execution style? Then to boldy say "yeah we did it"
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<cough> extreme <cough>
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<cough> extreme <cough>
VM I get the extreme thing your trying to get across but surely at some point the populace this is being perpetrated against will have enough right?
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VM I get the extreme thing your trying to get across but surely at some point the populace this is being perpetrated against will have enough right?
ya, thats when they ask the U.S. to step in and we get pissed on by the world...if it were up to me, i'd give them guns and tell them to deal with the problem themselves or shut the hell up.
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Thats what OIm saying could the Taliban finally have stepped on thier richards this time, or are the Pakis just gonna yell in the streets for a few days?
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Some shots of the reaction of some Pakistanis:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19902294
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In an execution style? Then to boldy say "yeah we did it"
Yes. A couple of years ago they announced they had hung a 7 year old boy accused of being a government spy.
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Yes. A couple of years ago they announced they had hung a 7 year old boy accused of being a government spy.
ack-ack
and interesting link http://dawn.com/2012/10/10/taliban-use-islamic-shariah-to-defend-malala-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-387634 (http://dawn.com/2012/10/10/taliban-use-islamic-shariah-to-defend-malala-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-387634)
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and interesting link http://dawn.com/2012/10/10/taliban-use-islamic-shariah-to-defend-malala-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-387634 (http://dawn.com/2012/10/10/taliban-use-islamic-shariah-to-defend-malala-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-387634)
The flaw with that reasoning, even under Sharia, is that you don't just get to say Sharia is such and such to justify whatever tribal customs you're trying to perpetuate. The most respected Islamic scholars have been based in Egypt for quite some time and they have repeatedly stated that educating women is not against Sharia, FGM is unislamic and on and on. Uneducated yahoos ignore them and claim to be doing things to support something they don't understand.
I am no fan of Islam, but uneducated tribal groups will twist anything to get what they want.
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I am no fan of Islam, but uneducated tribal groups will twist anything to get what they want.
considering the founder of islam was an uneducated goat herder...it's a good fit.
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The flaw with that reasoning, even under Sharia, is that you don't just get to say Sharia is such and such to justify whatever tribal customs you're trying to perpetuate. The most respected Islamic scholars have been based in Egypt for quite some time and they have repeatedly stated that educating women is not against Sharia, FGM is unislamic and on and on. Uneducated yahoos ignore them and claim to be doing things to support something they don't understand.
I am no fan of Islam, but uneducated tribal groups will twist anything to get what they want.
The best part of that link is the comments Karnak, go back and read them.
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It's our fault for not negotiating with them properly and not apologizing enough for random videos made by strange and otherwise unknown weirdos. We should have no aggressive preconditions such as properly defended embassies because that is the very arrogant and aggressive colonialist actions that they're shooting children over. If we apologize enough surely they'll stop being extremist barbarians because they'll be our friends. Remember, as spoken to the leaders of NATO just a week ago, the future does not belong to those who are disrespectful to the prophet mohammed.
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You can't apply reason or logic to the Taliban.
Unless you reason that they are just going to keepon-keepin-on with their weapons and rules.
For now at least they are still warning most these people and telling them to stop their misbehavior before killing them.
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Some shots of the reaction of some Pakistanis:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19902294
Considering the Taliban were created by the Pakistani ISI, after first being schooled in extremist religious schools on Pakistani soil, that were/are funded by our so called "Moderate Gulf Friends", I dont know what they are angry about. The kid is lucky she wasnt stoned to death.
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Considering the Taliban were created by the Pakistani ISI, after first being schooled in extremist religious schools on Pakistani soil, that were/are funded by our so called "Moderate Gulf Friends", I dont know what they are angry about. The kid is lucky she wasnt stoned to death.
The Pakistani people and Pakistani government are two very different things. It is a very messed up place.
As to how to "negotiate" with the Taliban, I think bullets, bombs and such work best.
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Considering the Taliban were created by the Pakistani ISI, after first being schooled in extremist religious schools on Pakistani soil, that were/are funded by our so called "Moderate Gulf Friends", I dont know what they are angry about. The kid is lucky she wasnt stoned to death.
And armed well enough to beat the Soviets by a joint CIA/Isreal/Saudi Arabia group of spooks. We spent billions giving them weapons back in the 80s but pulled the plug on aid as soon as the Commies pulled out which left them armed to the teeth but with zero infrastructure. Combine this with the fact that most of them are illiterate so wtf could you expect to happen?
Imagine if we dropped enough machine guns, and RPGs for every man, woman, child and pet dog in Somalia and said "good luck, let us know how it turns out."
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And armed well enough to beat the Soviets by a joint CIA/Isreal/Saudi Arabia group of spooks. We spent billions giving them weapons back in the 80s but pulled the plug on aid as soon as the Commies pulled out which left them armed to the teeth but with zero infrastructure. Combine this with the fact that most of them are illiterate so wtf could you expect to happen?
Imagine if we dropped enough machine guns, and RPGs for every man, woman, child and pet dog in Somalia and said "good luck, let us know how it turns out."
Robb the Taliban were created AFTER the Soviet/Afghan war. It was Pakistan's answer to continued inter-tribal fighting. The kind thats been going on over there ever since the species first crossed the border.
While its true we did not follow up with enough aid to Afghanistan AFTER they won their conflict I'm really not sure it would have helped anyways. The Madrasses would have still kept spitting out fundamentalist extremists, again, with Pakistani support.
I'm amazed people still think we armed the Taliban :huh How could you have armed an organization that didnt even exist at the time? And further, we didnt send arms to every group in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets. The Saudi's and other Gulf states might have but we didnt. America was fairly choosy. For instance we had nothing to do with Bin Laden or any group associated with him. This is all a big lie, right up there with "America armed Saddam".
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Robb the Taliban were created AFTER the Soviet/Afghan war. It was Pakistan's answer to continued inter-tribal fighting in te country. The kind thats been going on over there ever since the species first crossed the border. The Pakistanis wanted stability so's they could send back all the refugees still in their territory.
While its true we did not follow up with enough aid to Afghanistan AFTER they won their conflict I'm really not sure it would have helped anyways. The Madrasses would have still kept spitting out fundamentalist extremists, again, with Pakistani support.
I'm amazed people still think we armed the Taliban :huh How could you have armed an organization that didnt even exist at the time? And further, we didnt send arms to every group in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets. The Saudi's and other Gulf states might have but we didnt. America was fairly choosy. For instance we had nothing to do with Bin Laden or any group associated with him. This is all a big lie, right up there with "America armed Saddam".
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All of the groundwork was done to set the taliban up during the war. There was never a centralized government in place to govern, especially once it became impotent against any group that it would try to govern.
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They have always targeted kids.
This.
They've raped young children in front of their families and then shot them. This isn't new by any means. It is, however; messed up.
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Just want to point out that this kind of behavior has nothing to do with religion or culture; it's just basic human brutality and evil. I saw a lot of messed up toejam in Bosnia, and there most of it was perpetrated against Muslims by highly educated European Christians. Several thousand children were executed just in Srebrenica by the Bosnian Serb army.
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The only problem is, we are talking about their affairs. Who gives a crap about what the sandchokers do?? ..... If you wanna help them tell them this: "KILL YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THEN KILL YOUR SELF, mohamed WILL TAKE YOU ALL TO HEAVEN"(hell but dont tell'm)... If all muslims die the world will be a better place.
When my little brother went to Iraq on his first tour in 05, I told him: if any kid or lady walk near you with a gun, f....ing kill them, no mercy. If they capture you they will turture you and then cut your head off. : F... ALL muslims. We need to delete all muslim countrys and cleanse our countrys. Death to all muslims. How can muslims not be angry??? They live in mud huts, sleep on the sand, have no Tele, no playboy or hustler, No dating. No computers, and not allowed to masturbate. and here comes this corn fed 6'1 American with a super hot girl he nails every night, and also walks around with a pocket PC/tele/phone.etc.. Lol . How you not be angry at America, you got sand in your butt crack, got no girlfriend and you never heared about A/C.
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The only problem is, we are talking about their affairs. Who gives a crap about what the sandchokers do?? ..... If you wanna help them tell them this: "KILL YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THEN KILL YOUR SELF, mohamed WILL TAKE YOU ALL TO HEAVEN"(hell but dont tell'm)... If all muslims die the world will be a better place.
When my little brother went to Iraq on his first tour in 05, I told him: if any kid or lady walk near you with a gun, f....ing kill them, no mercy. If they capture you they will turture you and then cut your head off. : F... ALL muslims. We need to delete all muslim countrys and cleanse our countrys. Death to all muslims. How can muslims not be angry??? They live in mud huts, sleep on the sand, have no Tele, no playboy or hustler, No dating. No computers, and not allowed to masturbate. and here comes this corn fed 6'1 American with a super hot girl he nails every night, and also walks around with a pocket PC/tele/phone.etc.. Lol . How you not be angry at America, you got sand in your butt crack, got no girlfriend and you never heared about A/C.
You know not all muslims are extremist/taliban right? In Iraq/Afghanistan we have gorilla groups comprised of muslims assisting and fighting right along side our troops. :huh
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Wow! I didn't know there were gorillas in Iraq. How do you train them to fight? ;)
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The only problem is, we are talking about their affairs. Who gives a crap about what the sandchokers do?? ..... If you wanna help them tell them this: "KILL YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THEN KILL YOUR SELF, mohamed WILL TAKE YOU ALL TO HEAVEN"(hell but dont tell'm)... If all muslims die the world will be a better place.
When my little brother went to Iraq on his first tour in 05, I told him: if any kid or lady walk near you with a gun, f....ing kill them, no mercy. If they capture you they will turture you and then cut your head off. : F... ALL muslims. We need to delete all muslim countrys and cleanse our countrys. Death to all muslims. How can muslims not be angry??? They live in mud huts, sleep on the sand, have no Tele, no playboy or hustler, No dating. No computers, and not allowed to masturbate. and here comes this corn fed 6'1 American with a super hot girl he nails every night, and also walks around with a pocket PC/tele/phone.etc.. Lol . How you not be angry at America, you got sand in your butt crack, got no girlfriend and you never heared about A/C.
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Wow! I didn't know there were gorillas in Iraq. How do you train them to fight? ;)
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Wow! I didn't know there were gorillas in Iraq. How do you train them to fight? ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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You know not all muslims are extremist/taliban right? In Iraq/Afghanistan we have gorilla groups comprised of muslims assisting and fighting right along side our troops. :huh
Those dirty muslims fighting along side of us are the ones you have to worry about the most, they to hate America. They will turn around and put a knife in your back. If you knew any person who been in the sheet waist deep they could tell you about that. Talk to any Ranger or Marine who has 100+ confirmed kills in action thru multiple engagements. Those guys you are talking about Anth, are the worst. They smile to your face and then put the knife in your back.
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Those dirty muslims fighting along side of us are the ones you have to worry about the most, they to hate America. They will turn around and put a knife in your back. If you knew any person who been in the sheet waist deep they could tell you about that. Talk to any Ranger or Marine who has 100+ confirmed kills in action thru multiple engagements. Those guys you are talking about Anth, are the worst. They smile to your face and then put the knife in your back.
Remember you're talking to someone who has been around Army Rangers, etc. for most of his life, my father was in the Army 22 years, I grew up on bases, and I still know many guys in the Army currently, I plan to enlist myself in the next year or so. There are videos you can even look up yourself I am sure on Youtube of afghan soldiers fighting along side our troops in combat. Have some turned and stabbed us in the back? Yes. Do they all? No. If you dwell on the fact that the guy next to you might kill you just as easily as the guy in front of you shooting his AK at you...You'll probably go mad very quickly. My point, don't trust everyone, but don't be paranoid that every person of a certain religious group are terrorists that want you dead by any means. That is just stereotyping, my friend.
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I know what you are saying bruh. Not All will do you wrong, and you know what?? YOU ARE RIGHT. I should not be soo ignorant when I know better, I am sorry about my last speech, truly sorry. I feel bad now. Sorry. There are good muslims to.
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Killing children to put down civil rights, what kind of monsters would do that. Surely any population involved with something like this should be exterminated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing
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Killing children to put down civil rights, what kind of monsters would do that. Surely any population involved with something like this should be exterminated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing
Enough of the logic!
You are going to make people's heads explode...
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Enough of the logic!
You are going to make people's heads explode...
That was also half a century ago.
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Something more recent...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html
War does strange things to people.
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Something more recent...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html
War does strange things to people.
Innocent until proven guilty Scolz, there was so much misinformation about thta incident who knows what happened.
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He turned himself in.
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He turned himself in.
He is also the victim of amental breakdown, people have been know to turn themselves in on charges they had nothing to do with.
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Staff sergeant Bales returned to his base dressed in afghan shawl covering his uniform. He removed it and laid his weapon on the ground, then raised his arms in surrender. When approached by the guards he said "I did it" and then told them what he had done. This was before anyone at the base knew that anything had happened. This is all in the official US reports.
Yeah, Bales will probably plead insanity and end up in a psych ward somewhere.
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It just goes to show that this kind of behavior is part of human nature, and not limited to a certain religion, culture or ethnicity. To paraphrase Quark: "...Humans are wonderful, friendly people – as long as their bellies are full and their TV's are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty animal."
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Atrocities are committed as a result of sin and human wickedness, not because of religion or perceived superiority over another. Sin knows no bounds and is not barred from any one non-/religious group, racial mix, or political belief; it is the cancer of this world. Unfortunately, many are quick to condemn other groups who act out of sin, but are oblivious to the sin committed by their own group affiliation. That being said, don't judge an entire group based on the actions of a mislead individual who, though distorted, believes to be acting in the name of the group.
As sin is sin, there are just as many "bad apples" here as there are over there or anywhere for that matter. It just seems to me that their status quo is so much more harsh, severe, and uncompromising compared to our own culture.
Just my humble conviction.
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All of the groundwork was done to set the taliban up during the war. There was never a centralized government in place to govern, especially once it became impotent against any group that it would try to govern.
Lol, some people just wont give up.
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Lol, some people just wont give up.
This is all a big lie, right up there with "America armed Saddam".
The US didn't help arm Iraq, it was Saddam's fairy godmother
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The US didn't help arm Iraq, it was Saddam's fairy godmother
Yeah you know since the us typicaly deals in Soviet equipment. Also I widhsh you US haters would watch a little documentary calle " The world without US" and see what people i Kuwait, Bosnina, Kosovo, Korea nad other countires think of our presance, and what they think of the European countries. Also Coombzy you MUST be at work.
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Yeah you know since the us typicaly deals in Soviet equipment. Also I widhsh you US haters would watch a little documentary calle " The world without US" and see what people i Kuwait, Bosnina, Kosovo, Korea nad other countires think of our presance, and what they think of the European countries. Also Coombzy you MUST be at work.
Soviet equipment? I don't know about that, or what it has to do with the help the US gave to Iraq in the past when it suited them.
Although didn't the US help arm Afghans so they could better fight the Soviets during the Cold War kind of era?
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why do you care if I'm at work or not? :headscratch:
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The US didn't help arm Iraq, it was Saddam's fairy godmother
Saddam's largest weapons suppliers was the Soviets and the French. We did two things for Saddam back during his war with Iran, and slightly after. First off, and maybe you weren't alive back then, to have Iran win against Iraq would have been a disaster for the Gulf Arabs, the West in general, and America. So we supplied Saddam with satellite imagery on the disposition of Iranian forces. And we sold the Iraqi's a small amount of non-militarized helicopters and trucks.
But go for it. Name me one major military system we sold to Saddam and the Iraqi's.
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I didn't say anything about selling, you actually gave them money as well as helping to arm them :) same deal as with Afghanistan, you give them weapons to fight people you don't want to gain power, and then they turn into enemies themselves further down the line and kill you with the weapons you gave them, a beautiful cycle of idiocy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
gee that was hard to find
here is a particular gem:
"On February 9th, 1994, Senator Riegle delivered a report -commonly known as the Riegle Report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riegle_Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riegle_Report)- in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[29]
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[30]
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Soviet equipment? I don't know about that, or what it has to do with the help the US gave to Iraq in the past when it suited them.
Although didn't the US help arm Afghans so they could better fight the Soviets during the Cold War kind of era?
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why do you care if I'm at work or not? :headscratch:
Just sayin your awful productive and thats your favorite time to troll. The us did help arm some afgans with stingers. Why so aggressive? And everyone knows that Iraq has the iowa strain of antrax, know n that since the envolpese were mailed out post 9/11. Spores are completely different than a t-62 tho,. Stop hating not like England never had to fight somone they armed. Igf the brits hadnt have gotten kicked out of the Middle east we wouldnt be in this mess.
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uhh yeah I've got better things to do when I'm not at work than post on internet forums :huh
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uhh yeah I've got better things to do when I'm not at work than post on internet forums :huh
Who doesnt, is it a heavy flow day youre really cranky today. Dont worry with age and maturity will come the ability to have a bad day and not be a dick.
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perhaps you're just feeling extra sensitive, I haven't posted anything aggressive at all. I haven't even got around to calling you stupid yet :D having a bad day? dude, I'm in the future it's Friday here :) That makes it a very good day. not to mention the new Xcom game is out :x
Stop hating not like England never had to fight somone they armed. Igf the brits hadnt have gotten kicked out of the Middle east we wouldnt be in this mess.
I didn't say anything, and never have, about England being perfect or guiltless or anything of the sort. Just because you guys get all pissy when someone insults your precious home country doesn't mean everyone is so blindly patriotic.
I think the Russians and the Americans should have learned from the English example of getting the crap kicked out of them in Afghanistan and left well alone :D
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perhaps you're just feeling extra sensitive, I haven't posted anything aggressive at all. I haven't even got around to calling you stupid yet :D
Look my day is over and Im going home lets agree to disagree on how much your flowing today ok? And its all Englads fault for letting the Empire be taken away from them. So take a Midol get a cup of tea and trey to get some work done slacker.
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perhaps you're just feeling extra sensitive, I haven't posted anything aggressive at all. I haven't even got around to calling you stupid yet :D having a bad day? dude, I'm in the future it's Friday here :) That makes it a very good day. not to mention the new Xcom game is out :x
I didn't say anything, and never have, about England being perfect or guiltless or anything of the sort. Just because you guys get all pissy when someone insults your precious home country doesn't mean everyone is so blindly patriotic.
I think the Russians and the Americans should have learned from the English example of getting the crap kicked out of them in Afghanistan and left well alone :D
Missed that how is the new game I am jeally. I have the old xcom games and loved em
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In an execution style? Then to boldy say "yeah we did it"
Not only did they claim credit, but they said if she survives, they will try again.
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Missed that how is the new game I am jeally. I have the old xcom games and loved em
Seems really good so far, finally an xcom sequel worthy of the name!
Nothing like getting attached to your soldiers and then watching them have their guts ripped out by a Chrysalid, or getting shot in the face by a panicked rookie :D
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Boy thats weak? Wikipedia ? I already told you we supported Saddam but not by selling him weaponry. What aid we gave him was almost all food aid. The cash to buy weapons was given by his Arab brothers, one of whom he later invaded. His largest suppliers of dual use technology for his Chem/Bio programs were the Soviets and West Europe. Its true pvt American companies were also cleared to sell him some. Equipment to make vaccines can also be used for weapons.
To think we sold him WMDs is insane. In fact your entire accusations are insane. Why is it Kiwis have become rumor central with anti-American propaganda? The French alone sold Saddams Billions of $$ in weaponry. In fact their Mirage and missile sales probably saved him from losing to the Iranians. And supporting several Mujahadeen groups helped bring down the Soviet Union. Maybe your to young to remember that bunch, or the threat to the free world they were. Even with the Mujahadeen we didnt support them blindly. We avoided the fundamentalist groups that were anti-west.
I suggest getting off Wikipedia, buying some history books, and start learning to be objective. I really cant waste my time going on like this with you.
I didn't say anything about selling, you actually gave them money as well as helping to arm them :) same deal as with Afghanistan, you give them weapons to fight people you don't want to gain power, and then they turn into enemies themselves further down the line and kill you with the weapons you gave them, a beautiful cycle of idiocy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
gee that was hard to find
here is a particular gem:
"On February 9th, 1994, Senator Riegle delivered a report -commonly known as the Riegle Report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riegle_Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riegle_Report)- in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[29]
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[30]
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Uhhm, am I the only one who noticed someone advocating the extermination of all Muslims? Skuzzy? :eek:
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Boy thats weak? Wikipedia ? I already told you we supported Saddam but not by selling him weaponry. What aid we gave him was almost all food aid. The cash to buy weapons was given by his Arab brothers, one of whom he later invaded. His largest suppliers of dual use technology for his Chem/Bio programs were the Soviets and West Europe. Its true pvt American companies were also cleared to sell him some. Equipment to make vaccines can also be used for weapons.
We gave more than "food aid". We removed Iraq as "State Sponsor of Terrorism" in order to ease the transfer of "dual use technology" and the CIA covertly directed armaments and high tech components to Iraq through false fronts and friendly countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait.
The US government never directly supplied Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War, we used proxies and false fronts.
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Bottom line is.
This whole situation is a case of "Dr Frankenstein Disorder"
You created your own monster to serve your purposes, and now its turned on you because perhaps they have freedom of thought, something America never accounts for.
And another thing, while these men are my enemy and I warrant their extermination as much as everyone else here. I am going to ask the question.
What did we expect when we invaded their homes, gunned down, bombed and burned their men women and children by the thousands, with weapons so powerful that it is not a case of war , but a case of eradication?
They are not extremist, they are desperate, they have no other way of hitting back, their only option is to shock the US people into withdrawal. But of course, America with its customary grace, doesn't get sentimental about such things, it gets angry, and drops more bombs.
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How low can the Taliban go? A LOT lower than this... as can the United States.
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FYI, the brave young lady who got shot is a Muslim.
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Uhhm, am I the only one who noticed someone advocating the extermination of all Muslims? Skuzzy? :eek:
:noid :o
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Uhhm, am I the only one who noticed someone advocating the extermination of all Muslims? Skuzzy? :eek:
I'm more about the extermination of all Southerners than Muslims if that's what you're talking about
WT Sherman is my personal hero
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So your opinion is were committing genocide in Afghanistan? Targeting civilians on purpose? And the girl was shot due to American actions?
LOL, I dont remember the place being a paradise BEFORE they decided to play host to every terrorist in the world. :huh And if you think they "warrant extermination" it might be necessary to go to where they are to exterminate them. You cant do it by social media.
Bottom line is.
This whole situation is a case of "Dr Frankenstein Disorder"
You created your own monster to serve your purposes, and now its turned on you because perhaps they have freedom of thought, something America never accounts for.
And another thing, while these men are my enemy and I warrant their extermination as much as everyone else here. I am going to ask the question.
What did we expect when we invaded their homes, gunned down, bombed and burned their men women and children by the thousands, with weapons so powerful that it is not a case of war , but a case of eradication?
They are not extremist, they are desperate, they have no other way of hitting back, their only option is to shock the US people into withdrawal. But of course, America with its customary grace, doesn't get sentimental about such things, it gets angry, and drops more bombs.
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How low can the Taliban go? A LOT lower than this... as can the United States.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/stories/wartech091790.htm
An interesting read on how Saddam developed his WMD machine. As for his nuclear reactor and technology that was supplied by France, and later the Soviets. Had Israel not bombed it the Iraqi's would probably have had the bomb by Gulf-1. While America has some guilt we are far from near the top of the list regarding selling arms to Saddam. The Soviets come first and France 2nd. Saddams nuclear program was fiananced by the Saudi's who wanted an Arab bomb, "as if Saddam would have shared it with them". There was a purchase by the Saudi's in the '80s of 50+ Chinese IRBMs, and cooperation with Brazil in funding a new IRBM. No doubt these missiles were intended for Saddams bomb. These are the facts. Check them.
Who knows if we'll ever be able to say we improved the lives of the Iraqi people by removing Saddam. I honor those Brits and Yanks who fell there but often wonder if the place was worth it. The plan sucked and its not a given that war will ever help people. Nor should "helping others" ever be a higher priority then getting our own kids home in one piece. The two Bush's saw the world entirely in black and white and Rumsfeldt was an idiot.
In Afghanistan I dont know where were going. Obviosly you cant gives Terr's their own country yet at the same time what good is fighting them and then giving them a sanctuary in a neighboring country we give all that aid to and pretend are "friends"? Its all starting to stink like Vietnam. Theres no clear cut objective.
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You can't apply reason or logic to the Taliban.
yes, you can... their motive is to instill fear....
Boy thats weak? Wikipedia ? I already told you we supported Saddam but not by selling him weaponry. What aid we gave him was almost all food aid. The cash to buy weapons was given by his Arab brothers, one of whom he later invaded. His largest suppliers of dual use technology for his Chem/Bio programs were the Soviets and West Europe. Its true pvt American companies were also cleared to sell him some. Equipment to make vaccines can also be used for weapons.
We don't directly fund them no doubt. We chose to be incredibly irresponsible with our usage of oil... and indirectly help fund all of this garbage... Next time you see a monster truck or other such gas guzzling waste... remind the owner, he is helping others fund our soldiers deaths in the middle east. The Madrasah thanks you for being so foolish.
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Somehow I just cant feature how the working stiff filling up with gas is "funding" our soldiers deaths. :huh Thats quite a stretch aint it/ People buy and sell all over the world all the time. And if we didnt buy the oil yathink these maniacs would all of a sudden break out the peace beads?
yes, you can... their motive is to instill fear....
We don't directly fund them no doubt. We chose to be incredibly irresponsible with our usage of oil... and indirectly help fund all of this garbage... Next time you see a monster truck or other such gas guzzling waste... remind the owner, he is helping others fund our soldiers deaths in the middle east. The Madrasah thanks you for being so foolish.
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When they aren't shooting kids they are throwing acid on their faces for learning to read or turning them into smart bombs. Nothing new.
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When they aren't shooting kids they are throwing acid on their faces for learning to read or turning them into smart bombs. Nothing new.
That reminded me of this...
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGIBWBpPN1SOmSmEgi_-EjcFQmuKulyFmg5o4mrg8Dh6J8n1ME)
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Most people think,
Great god will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. jah!
-bob marley mon
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That reminded me of this...
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGIBWBpPN1SOmSmEgi_-EjcFQmuKulyFmg5o4mrg8Dh6J8n1ME)
That thing never gets old lol
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If you can behead a total innocent stranger you're capable of anything. Shooting kids is....pardon the expression,........... childs play. :salute
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If you can behead a total innocent stranger you're capable of anything. Shooting kids is....pardon the expression,........... childs play. :salute
QFT :aok
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Somehow I just cant feature how the working stiff filling up with gas is "funding" our soldiers deaths. :huh Thats quite a stretch aint it/ People buy and sell all over the world all the time. And if we didnt buy the oil yathink these maniacs would all of a sudden break out the peace beads?
The Arab League accounts for 30% of the worlds oil production (Saudi Arabia accounts for 10% alone). Many of the 'religious schools' that teach radical Islamic beliefs are funded by oil money, not to mention organizations like Hamas. And for thinking globally, my message is for all....
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I meant the Taliban when referring to the "extermination"
And you aren't committing Genocide, what you ARE doing. Is invading a sovereign nation, killing the people in that nation, and suppressing resistance. No matter how high and mighty the reason, the Coalition (which yes, my country is a member of too so we are just as guilty). WE, invaded a sovereign nation and killed a large percentage of its populace.
They are the enemy, so we must kill them. Fact.
But can I blame them for this?
No.
Its the only way they can hit back at us, and as its showing now, making us fight among ourselves and doubt the mission.
Its a disgusting thing to do, but the Taliban have only one option.
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With taliban it's not a question of how low they can go. It's more like asking if they'll ever reach the 19th century in development.
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The only problem is, we are talking about their affairs. Who gives a crap about what the sandchokers do?? ..... If you wanna help them tell them this: "KILL YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THEN KILL YOUR SELF, mohamed WILL TAKE YOU ALL TO HEAVEN"(hell but dont tell'm)... If all muslims die the world will be a better place.
When my little brother went to Iraq on his first tour in 05, I told him: if any kid or lady walk near you with a gun, f....ing kill them, no mercy. If they capture you they will turture you and then cut your head off. : F... ALL muslims. We need to delete all muslim countrys and cleanse our countrys. Death to all muslims. How can muslims not be angry??? They live in mud huts, sleep on the sand, have no Tele, no playboy or hustler, No dating. No computers, and not allowed to masturbate. and here comes this corn fed 6'1 American with a super hot girl he nails every night, and also walks around with a pocket PC/tele/phone.etc.. Lol . How you not be angry at America, you got sand in your butt crack, got no girlfriend and you never heared about A/C.
Well, you've clearly got it all together :aok
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WE, invaded a sovereign nation and killed a large percentage of its populace.
Really? There are about 30 million people in Afghanistan; how many killed? What percentage?
We would have to kill 300,000 people just to get to 1%. Last year there were 8,938 fatalities including coalition losses, Taliban losses and civilian deaths. First six months of this year the total death count in Afganistan is estimated at 3,000.
Large percentage of its populace... These numbers are ridiculously low for any major war.
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Large in relative terms Gscholz.
The war itself has gone on for over 10 years now. Technically during the Soviet invasion we backed the Taliban, so how many Russians did we kill also.
We are bombing as earlier said "19th Century" people. With weapons designed to annihilate fully developed nations. We are chasing men armed with bolt-actions with Apache Gunships, Bombing mudhuts with JDAM 2000 pounders and dropping ordinance on large collections of people in public spaces, like IDK, a Wedding?
I realize that they are the enemy, that they want to kill us, and so we must deal with them forcefully.
But after doing all that, are we to say they should just sit there and get killed?
They are gonna fight for ALOT longer than this.
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For the last time there was no Taliban back then <sheesh>. Also where are you getting your information? Did you serve there or is it coming from the same place your Taliban timeline is coming from? :lol
Large in relative terms Gscholz.
The war itself has gone on for over 10 years now. Technically during the Soviet invasion we backed the Taliban, so how many Russians did we kill also.
We are bombing as earlier said "19th Century" people. With weapons designed to annihilate fully developed nations. We are chasing men armed with bolt-actions with Apache Gunships, Bombing mudhuts with JDAM 2000 pounders and dropping ordinance on large collections of people in public spaces, like IDK, a Wedding?
I realize that they are the enemy, that they want to kill us, and so we must deal with them forcefully.
But after doing all that, are we to say they should just sit there and get killed?
They are gonna fight for ALOT longer than this.
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The war itself has gone on for over 10 years now. Technically during the Soviet invasion we backed the Taliban, so how many Russians did we kill also.
no the USA under Reagan and Charlie Wilson backed the mujahideen to fight the USSR. Osama Bin Laden was part of this group, but the Taliban was not on anyone's radar. The Taliban became what we know of it after the USSR left.
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Actually, the guys we supported against the Russians turned into this group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance
We failed miserably at keeping them as a close ally.
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Actually, the guys we supported against the Russians turned into this group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance
We failed miserably at keeping them as a close ally.
Yeah, problem was that as soon as an oppressive power left, it created a power grab among the old 'feudal like' war-lords/tribes... Basically, my understanding is that the situation degraded into a civil war. As for killing children etc... That's nothing new or surprising... Europeans did the same in the past when they had 'feudal like' war lords too. Hell, even the Nazi's did it 70 years ago... Doesn't change the fact that it is deplorable behavior.
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no the USA under Reagan and Charlie Wilson backed the mujahideen to fight the USSR. Osama Bin Laden was part of this group, but the Taliban was not on anyone's radar. The Taliban became what we know of it after the USSR left.
No Bin Laden WAS NOT PART of the groups America supported. There were numerous tribal and guerrilla groups fighting the Soviets and some, namely the ones Bin Laden was involved in and collecting funds for, were already virulently anti-west and America and there was no way we were going to put high tech weapons in their hands. Bin Laden himself would never have anything to do with America anyways. Besides he was collecting so much $$ from Islamic charities, he himself was so rich, and the INTL arms market was so well stocked, he didnt need us for anything. Afghanistan was basically a huge arms market of mostly Soviet equipment originating from Arab countries or even captured Israeli stocks. The CIA or America never had anything to do with Bin Laden. Other then eventually shooting him full of holes many years later.
Defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan was a huge strategic coup for the west and nothing that followed after can reduce that. It caused massive Soviets casualties, showed the world the vaunted Soviet war machine simply was not that good, and gave hope to Soviet occupied countries that freedom might be in their future. You cant compare a group like Al Qaeda to a massive war machine armed with 30,000 nuclear weapons that could have crushed western Europe if not freedom everywhere. We had to make a lot of hard/unsavory choices to counter the Soviets. In the end it was all worth it. They were by far the worst enemy the West has ever faced, or ever will. Arming friendly elements of the mujahadeen was a brilliant strategic move that denied the Soviet Union a base to eventually make a grab for a warm water port and get a stranglehold on the Persian Gulf and the oil supplies we all desperately need.
Having spent 18 mos in Islam under arms myself Im not even sure if we had stayed and engaged in nation building would have changed anything vis-a-vis terrorism. Fundamentalist terror was bad even before Afghanistan and is an idealogy that has no interest in living in peace with others who dont share their beliefs.
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Having spent 18 mos in Islam under arms myself
I'm not sure if you are admitting to being a terrorist or something here, or if you think that Islam is a place :huh
Also lol at all your cold war success story BS...you stopped the terrible advance of the red menace threatening the entire world!!
There really is one born every minute
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No Bin Laden WAS NOT PART of the groups America supported.
are you 'sure' of this (ie post any proof)? there are many conflicting reports...
While the CIA says no, in the past both the BBC and CBC and Der Spiegel say that he did receive support from the USA (Der Spiegel claiming that he was 'one of their best customers'). Furthermore former Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto stated that at that time (1980s') Bin Laden was pro-US.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/arming-the-middle-east-the-checkered-history-of-american-weapons-deals-a-498421.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/arming-the-middle-east-the-checkered-history-of-american-weapons-deals-a-498421.html)
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It's our fault for not negotiating with them properly and not apologizing enough for random videos made by strange and otherwise unknown weirdos. We should have no aggressive preconditions such as properly defended embassies because that is the very arrogant and aggressive colonialist actions that they're shooting children over. If we apologize enough surely they'll stop being extremist barbarians because they'll be our friends. Remember, as spoken to the leaders of NATO just a week ago, the future does not belong to those who are disrespectful to the prophet mohammed.
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Large in relative terms Gscholz.
No; it's ridiculously low for any major war. The Afghans lost more than 3 million people to the Soviet invasion. Last year 16,466 people were killed in the Mexican drug war; almost twice the number of deaths in Afghanistan.
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No; it's ridiculously low for any major war. The Afghans lost more than 3 million people to the Soviet invasion. Last year 16,466 people were killed in the Mexican drug war; almost twice the number of deaths in Afghanistan.
tell that to the dead guys :salute.
semp
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I'm not sure if you are admitting to being a terrorist or something here, or if you think that Islam is a place :huh
Also lol at all your cold war success story BS...you stopped the terrible advance of the red menace threatening the entire world!!
There really is one born every minute
Can we build an island for people like this (referring to C mob). :pray We can even give them obama as a leader. :aok just be sure we have a thourough coverage of nukes aimed there direction, just in case. :old:
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Can we build an island for people like this (referring to C mob). :pray We can even give them obama as a leader. :aok just be sure we have a thourough coverage of nukes aimed there direction, just in case. :old:
why not just have them on your island?
semp
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Can we build an island for people like this (referring to C mob). :pray We can even give them obama as a leader. :aok just be sure we have a thourough coverage of nukes aimed there direction, just in case. :old:
Sorry Nat, I can't take Obama from you, I think you're gonna be stuck with him for another 4 years :aok
and that's if you're lucky :rofl
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I'm not sure if you are admitting to being a terrorist or something here, or if you think that Islam is a place :huh
Also lol at all your cold war success story BS...you stopped the terrible advance of the red menace threatening the entire world!!
There really is one born every minute
Kid I think your about to join a select group of people.
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is it the group of people who don't buy into obvious propaganda?
or the group of people who know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'?
perhaps the group of people who don't think Islam is a place?
I think I qualify for all of the above mentioned groups :old:
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why not just have them on your island?
semp
unfortunately our island is filled with them. They like to bicker with the knowledge they gained from their freshman professor. If only life could be a little tougher on them so that they themselves can earn the freedom they enjoy.
We can put them all together on one island. They can argue about dreams and rights, providing no real solutions, and with time, they will once again remember, life is hard work. And when the guy they fought (with words) to save, raids him at nite for his women, children, and land, his surviving children can then believe in something that existed years before them. Life moves in circles, why not live it all over again?
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Hiroshima.....Nagasaki.....To kyo....I'm pretty sure there were some kids there. Gotta love brainwashed hypocrites.