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Title: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Paladin3 on October 21, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
I was on a week ago when Skuzzy was talking about how they had changed something with their internet connection. I just wanted to say I am glad that we are working on new things, but ever since I have seen allot more warping throughout the arenas, as have a couple of my squaddies. I am not a fan since it has made it less smooth for me. Anyone else have any thoughts? Noticed anything different?

I looked for a thread on this topic and came up dry.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LilMak on October 21, 2012, 05:21:13 PM
A lot more mini-warps since the change over.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Charge on October 21, 2012, 05:39:48 PM
I've noticed that too.

-C+
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: The Fugitive on October 21, 2012, 06:24:48 PM
You guys should run ping plotter and post the runs for Skuzzy to look at. I know my run went from 16 hops to the old server to 10 with the new. My pings look about the same and I haven't noticed anything different in the game. The more info Skuzzy has the better the decision he can make when it comes time to decide which server to use.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: SilverZ06 on October 21, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
You guys should run ping plotter and post the runs for Skuzzy to look at. I know my run went from 16 hops to the old server to 10 with the new. My pings look about the same and I haven't noticed anything different in the game. The more info Skuzzy has the better the decision he can make when it comes time to decide which server to use.

I notice a lot more enemies warping since the change also. Like 1 in 8 will warp.. It is noticeably worse.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Scotch on October 21, 2012, 08:43:24 PM
Yes I notice it
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: PorkyPig on October 21, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
I was on a week ago when Skuzzy was talking about how they had changed something with their internet connection. I just wanted to say I am glad that we are working on new things, but ever since I have seen allot more warping throughout the arenas, as have a couple of my squaddies. I am not a fan since it has made it less smooth for me. Anyone else have any thoughts? Noticed anything different?

I looked for a thread on this topic and came up dry.
:rofl :rofl P-P-P-P-P-Paladin, I heard you always come up d-d-d-d-dry! :rofl :rofl



and long live Richard Boone, Have Gun, Will Travel!
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Wizer on October 22, 2012, 06:43:11 AM
This topic is discussed in Technical Support under the subject of Connection woes.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: MrKrabs on October 22, 2012, 11:12:20 AM
Before I entered the arena friggin 180 pings when it was usually only 50....  :huh
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 22, 2012, 11:25:07 AM
Yes, lots more mini warps.  :(

check through ping plotter if the causes is this ho; 207.88.14.34.ptr.us.xo.net

This hop I believe may be the very cause of any connection woes. The ping through it is unstable to say the least
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 22, 2012, 12:17:36 PM
I cannot do anything with the above comments.  They do not provide anything really useful.

We know there have been ongoing problems with Comcast.  Nothing we can do about that.  We also know the new ISP location has had a poor route for the British players, but they have been working on it and for most it should better better now, or the same as before (they are using the same route as the old ISP).

The new ISP has direct connections with 11 Tier 1 backbone providers.  Our current ISP has one connection.

Every analysis I have run to anyone in the U.S. shows the same levels of performance between both ISP's.  They also show the same problems, as they are pretty much using the same routes.

However, the Internet is a dynamic beast.  What is true today, may not be true tomorrow.  Without data, there is little I can do.  It is within your power to check your own connection.  You do not have to listen to me or anyone else.  Grab Ping Plotter, and run it to the following IP addresses (the longer the run, the better):

New: 66.151.248.2
Old: 206.16.60.38

I need both to be able to compare.  I will then run a test to your location and see what it looks like as well.

This way we get real data which can help far more than general comments will ever do.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Paladin3 on October 22, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Ok, sure I can do that... However I was going off of stability before, and that you ran it that first weekend and said I was a little worse. I was just asking the community at large if others had noticed the same thing or if it was just me, not screaming fix it. Although yeah, if it wasn't broke for me before and is worse now, sure that is irritating. How long should I run it and how do I post it? I found a file, save image command and saved that.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Paladin3 on October 22, 2012, 06:00:34 PM
Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 22-Oct-12 18:55:29 to 22-Oct-12 18:57:29

 1    6 ms    7 ms    7 ms   12 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms  [96.70.159.1]
 2    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  te-9-3-ur02.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [69.139.205.205]
 3    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-6-3-ar01.bluelight.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.85.171.205]
 4   13 ms   15 ms   15 ms   15 ms   19 ms   15 ms   15 ms   14 ms   16 ms  xe-0-0-2-0-ar01.goodslettvll.tn.nash.comcast.net [68.86.176.137]
 5   25 ms   25 ms   23 ms   26 ms   26 ms   27 ms   23 ms   25 ms   24 ms  pos-5-5-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.101]
 6   22 ms   25 ms   26 ms   23 ms   25 ms   22 ms   23 ms   23 ms   27 ms  pos-0-1-0-0-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.86]
 7   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   22 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms  as7018-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.228.86]
 8   46 ms   44 ms   45 ms   44 ms   46 ms   46 ms   46 ms   44 ms   44 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.141.182]
 9   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   41 ms   43 ms   47 ms   45 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
10   41 ms   41 ms   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   47 ms   41 ms   41 ms   58 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
11   42 ms   44 ms   42 ms  N/A     N/A      43 ms   42 ms  N/A      42 ms  [12.122.251.70]
12   43 ms   44 ms   42 ms   42 ms   *       43 ms   42 ms   42 ms   43 ms  mdf001c7613r0003-gig-10-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.10]
13   42 ms   42 ms   42 ms   41 ms   40 ms   41 ms   43 ms   41 ms   42 ms  [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 9, Received = 9, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 43ms, Average = 41ms



Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 22-Oct-12 18:58:07 to 22-Oct-12 19:00:22

 1    8 ms   18 ms    7 ms    6 ms    8 ms    6 ms    6 ms    7 ms    6 ms    8 ms  [96.70.159.1]
 2    7 ms    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms   12 ms    7 ms    9 ms  te-9-3-ur01.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [69.139.205.201]
 3    7 ms    8 ms    9 ms    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-8-3-ur02.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.86.136.77]
 4    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms   12 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-6-3-ar01.bluelight.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.85.171.205]
 5   17 ms   18 ms   15 ms   20 ms   14 ms   14 ms   14 ms   17 ms   14 ms   18 ms  xe-0-0-1-0-ar01.goodslettvll.tn.nash.comcast.net [68.85.171.190]
 6   26 ms   24 ms   24 ms   21 ms   26 ms   23 ms   22 ms   24 ms   25 ms   27 ms  pos-5-4-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.189]
 7   23 ms   27 ms   23 ms   24 ms   24 ms   22 ms   37 ms   27 ms   26 ms   26 ms  pos-0-2-0-0-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.166]
 8   22 ms   22 ms   23 ms   22 ms   22 ms   22 ms   *       22 ms   21 ms   27 ms  as7018-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.228.86]
 9   45 ms   45 ms   43 ms   43 ms   42 ms   42 ms   45 ms   45 ms   44 ms   46 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.141.182]
10   42 ms   48 ms   45 ms   44 ms   49 ms   47 ms   45 ms   43 ms   44 ms   44 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
11   40 ms   41 ms   41 ms   40 ms   58 ms   *       40 ms   41 ms   40 ms   42 ms  ggr6.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.113]
12   41 ms   45 ms   43 ms   45 ms   47 ms   41 ms   41 ms   43 ms   41 ms   44 ms  [12.90.228.14]
13   50 ms   52 ms   46 ms   51 ms   46 ms   48 ms   52 ms   54 ms   46 ms   52 ms  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
14   53 ms   56 ms   48 ms   49 ms   46 ms   48 ms   52 ms   56 ms   47 ms   52 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 56ms, Average = 50ms




Nevermind, I obviously figured it out  :lol
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Lusche on October 22, 2012, 07:25:37 PM
New server:

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 23.10.2012 02:16:40 to 23.10.2012 02:19:50

Hop Sent Err   PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    20   0   0,0   1   3   1  [192.168.1.1]
 2    20   0   0,0   8  17  10  esn1ibr2-xdsl.versatel.de [62.214.64.97]
 3    20   0   0,0   8 123  24  ge-1-8-v511.esn001isp006.versatel.de [62.214.105.197]
 4    20   0   0,0   9  60  15  fra20ip6.versatel.de [62.214.104.174]
 5    20   0   0,0  14 220  38  10g-8-4.hhb002isp005.versatel.de [62.214.110.122]
 6    20   0   0,0  14  16  14  hmb-s2-rou-1103.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.120.117]
 7    20   0   0,0 106 123 109  dssd-s2-rou-1102.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.229.57]
 8    20   0   0,0 106 152 109  asd2-rou-1022.NL.eurorings.net [134.222.228.73]
 9    20   0   0,0  27  33  28  rt2-rou-1022.NL.eurorings.net [134.222.231.130]
10    20   0   0,0 106 132 110  nyk-s1-rou-1021.US.eurorings.net [134.222.226.174]
11    20   0   0,0 106 138 109  nyk-s1-rou-1001.US.eurorings.net [134.222.231.237]
12    20   0   0,0  99 193 104  [134.222.249.238]
13    20  20 100,0   0   0   0   [-]
14    20   0   0,0 146 148 146  [67.133.189.94]
15    20   7  35,0 146 179 149  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
16    20   7  35,0 147 160 148  [66.151.248.2]


Old server:

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 23.10.2012 02:20:44 to 23.10.2012 02:23:54

Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    20   0 0,0   1   2   1  [192.168.1.1]
 2    20   0 0,0   8  20   9  esn1ibr2-xdsl.versatel.de [62.214.64.97]
 3    20   0 0,0   8 134  16  ge-1-8-v511.esn001isp006.versatel.de [62.214.105.197]
 4    20   0 0,0   8 137  23  [62.214.111.25]
 5    20   0 0,0   9 194  34  10g-9-1.dus002isp005.versatel.de [62.214.110.233]
 6    20   0 0,0   9  83  16  [212.162.17.5]
 7    20   0 0,0   9  62  14  vl-3201-ve-128.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.161.133]
 8    20   0 0,0  12  73  15  ae-45-45.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.143.197]
 9    20   0 0,0  12  55  14  ae-1-100.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.141.170]
10    20   0 0,0  20  60  22  ae-47-47.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.143.78]
11    20   0 0,0  88 106  89  ae-44-44.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.78]
12    20   0 0,0  88 105  91  ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.66]
13    20   0 0,0  87 152  93  ae-1-60.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.155.17]
14    20   0 0,0  91 222  98  att-level3.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.63.142]
15    20   0 0,0 134 240 141  cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.130.170]
16    20   0 0,0 134 248 141  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
17    20   0 0,0 134 187 140  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
18    20   0 0,0 133 205 138  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
19    20   0 0,0 132 328 158  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
20     9   0 0,0 133 135 133  [12.122.251.66]
21    20   0 0,0 133 237 141  mdf001c7613r0003-gig-10-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.10]
22    20   0 0,0 132 197 136  [206.16.60.38]



Both plots are rather typical. Many troubles with the new location.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: The Fugitive on October 22, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Old Server

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.41
  Date/Time: 10/22/2012 10:07:58 PM to 10/22/2012 10:08:17 PM

Hop Sent Err  PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    20   0  0.0   1  37   3  WRT610N [192.168.1.1]
 2    20   0  0.0  10  83  21  [10.241.112.1]
 3    20   0  0.0  11  86  27  dtr01sbdgma-tge-4-3.sbdg.ma.charter.com [96.34.84.158]
 4    20   0  0.0  11  70  23  crr03oxfrma-tge-0-1-0-0.oxfr.ma.charter.com [96.34.80.116]
 5    20   0  0.0  12  54  21  bbr01oxfrma-bue-1.oxfr.ma.charter.com [96.34.2.12]
 6    20   0  0.0  24 110  35  bst-edge-04.inet.qwest.net [72.164.154.201]
 7    20   0  0.0  23 106  37  jfk-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net [67.14.5.26]
 8    20   0  0.0  24 140  37  [63.146.26.2]
 9    20   0  0.0  58 133  74  cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.80.238]
10    20   0  0.0  59 166  77  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
11    20   0  0.0  57 137  71  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
12    20   0  0.0  58 125  74  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
13    20   0  0.0  56 166  76  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
14    10   0  0.0  57 104  69  [12.122.251.66]
15    20   2 10.0  57 124  76  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
16    20   0  0.0  57 146  86  [206.16.60.41]


New server

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 10/22/2012 10:09:16 PM to 10/22/2012 10:09:36 PM

Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    20   0 0.0   1  56  17  WRT610N [192.168.1.1]
 2    20   0 0.0  10  83  35  [10.241.112.1]
 3    20   0 0.0  11  90  30  dtr01sbdgma-tge-4-3.sbdg.ma.charter.com [96.34.84.158]
 4    20   0 0.0  11  92  28  crr03oxfrma-tge-0-1-0-0.oxfr.ma.charter.com [96.34.80.116]
 5    20   0 0.0  12  94  32  bbr01oxfrma-bue-1.oxfr.ma.charter.com [96.34.2.12]
 6    20   0 0.0  24 104  44  bst-edge-04.inet.qwest.net [72.164.154.201]
 7    20   0 0.0  57 206  86  dax-edge-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.2.166]
 8    20   1 5.0  58 177  76  [67.133.189.94]
 9    20   0 0.0  58 218  73  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
10    20   0 0.0  59 229  76  [66.151.248.2]


I don't normally see issue with the old server and haven't seen anything with the new either.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Meatwad on October 22, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 10/22/2012 10:28:01 PM

 1    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2    8 ms    9 ms   10 ms    7 ms    9 ms  [10.166.32.1]
 3    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms    9 ms    7 ms  acr01mtvril-gbe-3-40.mtvr.il.charter.com [96.34.56.88]
 4   10 ms   16 ms   11 ms   12 ms   10 ms  dtr01blvlil-tge-0-5-0-4.blvl.il.charter.com [96.34.49.22]
 5   14 ms   12 ms   17 ms   20 ms   15 ms  bbr01blvlil-tge-0-2-0-1.blvl.il.charter.com [96.34.1.114]
 6   12 ms   10 ms   11 ms   10 ms   11 ms  [216.55.35.77]
 7   26 ms   23 ms   20 ms   27 ms   23 ms  vb1720.rar3.chicago-il.us.xo.net [216.156.0.177]
 8   41 ms   17 ms   43 ms   *       41 ms  207.88.14.194.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.194]
 9   *       16 ms   *       18 ms   *      206.111.2.90.ptr.us.xo.net [206.111.2.90]
10   43 ms   44 ms   42 ms   49 ms   51 ms  cr2.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.81.98]
11   46 ms   44 ms   47 ms   47 ms   46 ms  cr2.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.2.22]
12   48 ms   48 ms   49 ms   55 ms   47 ms  cr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.2.217]
13   48 ms   51 ms   49 ms   47 ms   44 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.3.221]
14   44 ms   44 ms   43 ms   44 ms   42 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
15   44 ms   46 ms   44 ms  N/A      46 ms  [12.122.251.70]
16   51 ms   45 ms   45 ms   45 ms   44 ms  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
17   46 ms   46 ms   45 ms   45 ms   45 ms  [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 5, Received = 5, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 45ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 45ms


Hops 9 and 14 I was getting anywhere from 25 to 40% packet loss










Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 10/22/2012 10:29:51 PM

 1    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    8 ms   10 ms  [10.166.32.1]
 3   10 ms   11 ms    9 ms   16 ms   12 ms  acr01mtvril-gbe-3-42.mtvr.il.charter.com [96.34.56.22]
 4   10 ms   11 ms   10 ms   19 ms    9 ms  dtr01blvlil-tge-0-5-0-4.blvl.il.charter.com [96.34.49.22]
 5   24 ms   17 ms   17 ms   27 ms   15 ms  bbr01blvlil-tge-0-2-0-1.blvl.il.charter.com [96.34.1.114]
 6   14 ms   20 ms   13 ms   12 ms   13 ms  bbr01olvemo-tge-0-6-0-2.olve.mo.charter.com [96.34.0.110]
 7   47 ms   37 ms   37 ms   35 ms   36 ms  kcm-edge-13.inet.qwest.net [72.165.193.73]
 8   36 ms   34 ms   40 ms   35 ms   36 ms  dax-edge-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.2.174]
 9   36 ms   36 ms   36 ms   35 ms   35 ms  [67.133.189.94]
10   38 ms   35 ms   45 ms   36 ms   36 ms  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
11   36 ms   36 ms   38 ms   38 ms   39 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 5, Received = 5, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 37ms

Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: BushLT1 on October 22, 2012, 11:31:25 PM
Well just going say I have never had problem before but I might as well be on dial up. For that reason alone ... maybe time for retirement from the game.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: JimmyC on October 23, 2012, 05:27:01 AM
old

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 23/10/2012 11:17:42

 1    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2   *       [-]
 3   24 ms  host-78-151-225-55.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.55]
 4   54 ms  host-78-151-225-54.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.54]
 5   *       [-]
 6   31 ms  xe-11-2-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.5]
 7   31 ms  host-78-144-1-63.as13285.net [78.144.1.63]
 8   31 ms  ae52.edge5.London1.Level3.net [212.187.138.77]
 9   32 ms  ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
10   32 ms  ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]
11   98 ms  ae-41-41.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.66]
12   *       [-]
13   *       [-]
14   26 ms  ae-91-91.csw4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.78]
15   15 ms  ae-4-90.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.155.209]
16   13 ms  att-level3.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.63.142]
17   57 ms  cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.130.170]
18   *       [-]
19   15 ms  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
20   17 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
21   13 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
22    9 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
23   11 ms  [12.122.251.66]
24   13 ms  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
25  139 ms  [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 1, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 139ms, Maximum = 139ms, Average = 139ms


2nd try

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 23/10/2012 11:21:05

 1    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2   *       *       *       [-]
 3   25 ms   25 ms   24 ms  host-78-151-225-55.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.55]
 4   24 ms   24 ms   25 ms  host-78-151-225-54.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.54]
 5   30 ms   30 ms   30 ms  xe-10-1-0-rt002.bre.as13285.net [62.24.240.19]
 6   31 ms   30 ms   31 ms  xe-11-2-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.5]
 7   30 ms   30 ms   31 ms  host-78-144-1-63.as13285.net [78.144.1.63]
 8   31 ms   32 ms   31 ms  ae52.edge5.London1.Level3.net [212.187.138.77]
 9   32 ms   31 ms   31 ms  ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
10   31 ms  N/A      32 ms  ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]
11   99 ms  472 ms   99 ms  ae-41-41.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.66]
12   *       *       *       [-]
13   *       *       *       [-]
14   19 ms   18 ms   19 ms  ae-91-91.csw4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.78]
15   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms  ae-4-90.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.155.209]
16   19 ms   19 ms   20 ms  att-level3.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.63.142]
17   63 ms   64 ms   63 ms  cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.130.170]
18   *       *       *       [-]
19   21 ms   18 ms   21 ms  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
20   20 ms   19 ms   27 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
21   21 ms   19 ms   23 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
22   16 ms   17 ms   17 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
23   16 ms   18 ms   18 ms  [12.122.251.70]
24  N/A      18 ms   17 ms  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
25  N/A     N/A     N/A      []
26  N/A     N/A     N/A      []
27  139 ms   *       *      [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 3, Received = 1, Lost = 2 (66.7%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 139ms, Maximum = 139ms, Average = 139ms


new

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 23/10/2012 11:19:11

 1    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2   18 ms  host-78-150-80-1.as13285.net [78.150.80.1]
 3   24 ms  host-78-151-225-55.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.55]
 4   25 ms  host-78-151-225-58.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.58]
 5   33 ms  xe-10-1-0-rt002.bre.as13285.net [62.24.240.19]
 6   30 ms  xe-11-2-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.5]
 7   30 ms  host-78-144-1-65.as13285.net [78.144.1.65]
 8   36 ms  [62.157.251.189]
 9   73 ms  so-3-3-0-bcs1-lnx.savvis.net [206.24.169.5]
10   *       [-]
11   15 ms  [194.25.6.181]
12  101 ms  cr2-pos-B-3.Dallas.savvis.net [204.70.194.74]
13   *       [-]
14   *       [-]
15   19 ms  dpr1-ge-4-0-0.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.196.30]
16   18 ms  er1-te-2-1.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.204.145]
17   18 ms  [208.175.175.54]
18   18 ms  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
19  141 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 1, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 141ms, Maximum = 141ms, Average = 141ms

2nd try

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 23/10/2012 11:22:51

 1    0 ms  [192.168.1.1]
 2   *       [-]
 3   25 ms  host-78-151-225-55.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.55]
 4   25 ms  host-78-151-225-58.static.as13285.net [78.151.225.58]
 5   29 ms  xe-10-1-0-rt002.bre.as13285.net [62.24.240.19]
 6   31 ms  xe-11-2-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.5]
 7   31 ms  host-78-144-1-65.as13285.net [78.144.1.65]
 8   35 ms  [62.157.251.189]
 9   30 ms  [194.25.6.181]
10   33 ms  so-3-3-0-bcs1-lnx.savvis.net [206.24.169.5]
11  142 ms  cr2-pos-B-3.Dallas.savvis.net [204.70.194.74]
12   *       [-]
13   *       [-]
14   *       [-]
15   19 ms  dpr1-ge-4-0-0.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.196.30]
16   20 ms  er1-te-2-1.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.204.145]
17   18 ms  [208.175.175.54]
18   18 ms  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
19  141 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 1, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 141ms, Maximum = 141ms, Average = 141ms
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 06:07:14 AM
Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 22-Oct-12 18:55:29 to 22-Oct-12 18:57:29

 1    6 ms    7 ms    7 ms   12 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms  [96.70.159.1]
 2    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms  te-9-3-ur02.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [69.139.205.205]
 3    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-6-3-ar01.bluelight.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.85.171.205]
 4   13 ms   15 ms   15 ms   15 ms   19 ms   15 ms   15 ms   14 ms   16 ms  xe-0-0-2-0-ar01.goodslettvll.tn.nash.comcast.net [68.86.176.137]
 5   25 ms   25 ms   23 ms   26 ms   26 ms   27 ms   23 ms   25 ms   24 ms  pos-5-5-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.101]
 6   22 ms   25 ms   26 ms   23 ms   25 ms   22 ms   23 ms   23 ms   27 ms  pos-0-1-0-0-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.86]
 7   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms   22 ms   23 ms   23 ms   23 ms  as7018-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.228.86]
 8   46 ms   44 ms   45 ms   44 ms   46 ms   46 ms   46 ms   44 ms   44 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.141.182]
 9   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   41 ms   43 ms   47 ms   45 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
10   41 ms   41 ms   43 ms   42 ms   43 ms   47 ms   41 ms   41 ms   58 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
11   42 ms   44 ms   42 ms  N/A     N/A      43 ms   42 ms  N/A      42 ms  [12.122.251.70]
12   43 ms   44 ms   42 ms   42 ms   *       43 ms   42 ms   42 ms   43 ms  mdf001c7613r0003-gig-10-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.10]
13   42 ms   42 ms   42 ms   41 ms   40 ms   41 ms   43 ms   41 ms   42 ms  [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 9, Received = 9, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 43ms, Average = 41ms



Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 22-Oct-12 18:58:07 to 22-Oct-12 19:00:22

 1    8 ms   18 ms    7 ms    6 ms    8 ms    6 ms    6 ms    7 ms    6 ms    8 ms  [96.70.159.1]
 2    7 ms    8 ms    8 ms    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms   12 ms    7 ms    9 ms  te-9-3-ur01.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [69.139.205.201]
 3    7 ms    8 ms    9 ms    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-8-3-ur02.sharpsridge.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.86.136.77]
 4    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms   12 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    7 ms    8 ms  te-6-3-ar01.bluelight.tn.knox.comcast.net [68.85.171.205]
 5   17 ms   18 ms   15 ms   20 ms   14 ms   14 ms   14 ms   17 ms   14 ms   18 ms  xe-0-0-1-0-ar01.goodslettvll.tn.nash.comcast.net [68.85.171.190]
 6   26 ms   24 ms   24 ms   21 ms   26 ms   23 ms   22 ms   24 ms   25 ms   27 ms  pos-5-4-0-0-cr01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.189]
 7   23 ms   27 ms   23 ms   24 ms   24 ms   22 ms   37 ms   27 ms   26 ms   26 ms  pos-0-2-0-0-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.166]
 8   22 ms   22 ms   23 ms   22 ms   22 ms   22 ms   *       22 ms   21 ms   27 ms  as7018-pe01.56marietta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.228.86]
 9   45 ms   45 ms   43 ms   43 ms   42 ms   42 ms   45 ms   45 ms   44 ms   46 ms  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.141.182]
10   42 ms   48 ms   45 ms   44 ms   49 ms   47 ms   45 ms   43 ms   44 ms   44 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
11   40 ms   41 ms   41 ms   40 ms   58 ms   *       40 ms   41 ms   40 ms   42 ms  ggr6.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.113]
12   41 ms   45 ms   43 ms   45 ms   47 ms   41 ms   41 ms   43 ms   41 ms   44 ms  [12.90.228.14]
13   50 ms   52 ms   46 ms   51 ms   46 ms   48 ms   52 ms   54 ms   46 ms   52 ms  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
14   53 ms   56 ms   48 ms   49 ms   46 ms   48 ms   52 ms   56 ms   47 ms   52 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 56ms, Average = 50ms




Nevermind, I obviously figured it out  :lol

Notice the routes are virtually identical.  The packet loss is occurring in AT&T's network, regardless of the destination.  This is what I expect to see for most of North America.  The problem is the Internet itself, not the end point.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 06:14:19 AM
So far where people are complaining about problems with the new ISP, I see the same problems with the old ISP, in North America.  In general, the North American Internet is a mess and will probably stay that way until after our election is over, in the U.S.

Europe is another ball of wax.  That is where I expect to see a lot of different routes.  Some good, some bad.

Lusche, I will point the new ISP network folks at yours.  Like I said. they have 11 different backbone connections to route through.  Some will be worse, others will be better.  They dynamically route based on traffic patterns, but if an ISP is not broadcasting that data correctly, it could cause bad route choices.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Bruv119 on October 23, 2012, 07:57:17 AM
I've hardly logged any hours since the change but did see that things were worse.  I'll get onto those ping plots skuzzy and get some more BT / British routes posted.   
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 11:48:28 AM
JimmyC, are you having issues with the new test ISP?

Folks, the test ISP will be looking at this thread, so please post up traces/ping plots to both IP addresses and state what you issue(s) are.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: JimmyC on October 23, 2012, 12:54:58 PM
only played once in last couple of weeks..
not really sure if there was a problem, I think not but I had had a couple of sherberts.... :cheers:
Saw you wanted British info so offered up mine....
will report back after next time I play
Sorry for any confusion
<S> Jimmy
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
only played once in last couple of weeks..
not really sure if there was a problem, I think not but I had had a couple of sherberts.... :cheers:
Saw you wanted British info so offered up mine....
will report back after next time I play
Sorry for any confusion
<S> Jimmy

No confusion.  Your trace to the new location looked better than the one to AT&T.  Looks like it is going to be specific ISP in England that are at issue.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 23, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Old Server
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Glendinho/206166038100SAMPLES_zps474b3b97.png)

NewServer
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Glendinho/661512482100SAMPLES_zps5eb594b4.png)

I did these around 20:30 during peak time.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Dolby, the new one looks better than the old, but still has packet loss.  Anytime you see Level3 in a trace, you will almost always see packet loss.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 23, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
But look at the spikes in the new servers ping trace, it's probably the cause of alot of the mini warps.

EDIT: not to mention the ping average almost 30ms higher on average
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
but look at the spikes in the new servers ping trace, it's probably the cause of alot of the mini warps.

Packet loss is going to be the bigger problem.  You have tons of packet loss and the pings from hop to hop are all over the place.

Easy way to test it is to log out of the Late War arena and try the Dueling arena.  While the resource loads are less in the Dueling, it might give you an indication of how the old Late would play.

The ping average is irrelevant.  It is well under the threshold of you being able to notice it in the game.  Did you look at hop 21 in the AT&T trace?  203ms with an average of 187ms.

No need to create any monsters.  Just grab a squaddie and go to the Dueling arena and see what it is like.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 23, 2012, 03:24:02 PM
I duelled Pand a few days ago in the DA and had no problems, no mini warps what so ever through 6 duels. I have the AHFilm files if you need them.

The reason I have brought it to your attention is that I am noticing more warps with the new ISP.
While the new server has created less rubber bullets for me, it has made it more difficult with the mini warping. (Especially in high con density areas)

I will certainly grab someone in the upcoming hours to the DA as per your test instructions, I will also offer up the films should you need them to compare to the Pand fights.

 :salute
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: RTHolmes on October 23, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
old - rock solid, very rarely saw warps:

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae235/RTHolmes/AH%20stuff/206166039-1.png)

new - mini warps in furballs, quite a few random big warps from some players:

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae235/RTHolmes/AH%20stuff/661512482.png)

:(
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 23, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Folks, just hang there.  The new ISP is going to review this data and see what they can do.  We are obliged to give them an opportunity to see what they can do to help here.

For the most part, most people are getting better or the same connections.  For those who are not (mostyle England and Germany), please post information in here.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Greebo on October 24, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
I've been seeing a more erratic connection in the MA the last couple of weeks. Most of the time it is as normal but occassionally it will get warpy for a minute or two before settling down again. My ISP is Talktalk, here are my traceroutes:

(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/Ping_plots.jpg)
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Paladin3 on October 24, 2012, 06:12:21 PM
Folks, just hang there.  The new ISP is going to review this data and see what they can do.  We are obliged to give them an opportunity to see what they can do to help here.

For the most part, most people are getting better or the same connections.  For those who are not (mostyle England and Germany), please post information in here.

Thank you.

Skuzzy, thank you for staying on top of it in the community - it does help to know you guys are taking it seriously.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: JimmyC on October 24, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
I`ve had a few micro stutters here and there...not loads but worse than before
I`m talktalk too if that helps..
<S>Jimmy
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: twitchy on October 25, 2012, 02:07:04 PM
I'm getting micro freezes and warps as well, no clue what a trace route is though. Mine seems to happen when a new object or other player comes into visual range so I'm not sure if that's a graphical/sound issue or part of this connection thing, but it's definately worse than it was a couple months ago.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 25, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
I'm getting micro freezes and warps as well, no clue what a trace route is though. Mine seems to happen when a new object or other player comes into visual range so I'm not sure if that's a graphical/sound issue or part of this connection thing, but it's definately worse than it was a couple months ago.

That does not sound like network related issues.  More of a resource issue, possibly.  The test started two weeks ago, today.  We are going to run it over the weekend and see what we can get more data from more players and the ISP is going to try some route manipulations as well.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Pudgie on October 30, 2012, 12:06:24 PM
FWIW, new ISP has better connection to me than the old one.

I have PP plots of it............how do you post to the BBS?

 :salute
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 30, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
I'd like to report that I am still getting many many more mini warps from everyone regardless of their connections and mine.

The new ISP is better for reducing packet loss but worse for keeping enemy planes in the right places. The connection is unstable still.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 30, 2012, 02:45:19 PM
Everyday routes can change.  I need to see data to both destinations, at the time of the issue.  I am trying to get real time data to the ISP so they can analyze the traffic to see what is going on.

I want to stress, we are getting more positive remarks than negative remarks.  As a matter of fact, the number of negative remarks are pretty small compared to the number of players making connections.

We want to help, but we need data, in real time, as often as you need to post it (once a day is good).  The new ISP has eleven different routes available to it, but BGP is pretty stupid and it may need some coaxing.  They have made a few changes and some players just seem to have it bad no matter what we do.

That said, I would like to see some films showing the problem.  That might help.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on October 30, 2012, 03:09:04 PM
Would you prefer to have the films emailed or will a youtube film just showing examples of the mini warps suffice?
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: TwinBoom on October 30, 2012, 07:28:59 PM
new
(http://imageshack.us/a/img407/7528/661512482.png)


old
(http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7854/206166038.png)
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on October 31, 2012, 06:09:51 AM
Would you prefer to have the films emailed or will a youtube film just showing examples of the mini warps suffice?


I cannot view youtube.  Please email the films.

Twinboom, the biggest issue I see in your traces is at your very first hop.  If you are using a router, you might want to power cycle it.  The jitter looks worse in the 206.16.60.38 traces.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on November 01, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
No films yet.  The decision will be made soon.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on November 01, 2012, 03:31:56 PM
Give me time Skuzzy, I have had to look through many many sorties to note times at which warps happen so your not having to watch the whole film.

But I will definately expodite my work and have it sent unfinished so you can see for yourself in the next 15mins or so.

EDIT: I keep getting
Quote
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
 
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
 
support@hitechcreations.com
 

18.4MB zip file which is under the 20MB limit.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Pand on November 01, 2012, 10:55:54 PM
(http://s8.postimage.org/dqdxbld2d/66_151_248_2.png)

(http://s15.postimage.org/3umb0n1x7/206_16_60_38.png)
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on November 02, 2012, 05:58:44 AM
Give me time Skuzzy, I have had to look through many many sorties to note times at which warps happen so your not having to watch the whole film.

But I will definately expodite my work and have it sent unfinished so you can see for yourself in the next 15mins or so.

EDIT: I keep getting
18.4MB zip file which is under the 20MB limit.

We have a 15MB limit on email.


Pand, your traces look a lot better to the new ISP.  Is that what you are saying?
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Pand on November 02, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
Pand, your traces look a lot better to the new ISP.  Is that what you are saying?
While the data indicates otherwise, I have been experiencing warps and issues *since* the migration to the new ISP.   I wonder if last night the warps and items experienced were others' connection issues?

Here's another set ran around 9am Eastern Friday morning.  I'll run another during prime time again tonight.

(http://s11.postimage.org/q071wfk77/66_151_248_2.png)

(http://s12.postimage.org/484j0ndp9/206_16_60_38.png)
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Pand on November 02, 2012, 01:46:32 PM
Another round from this afternoon --- 66.151.248.2 continues to show packet loss on hops 9 and 10.

(http://s10.postimage.org/9x3yaf3qh/66_151_248_2.png)

(http://s12.postimage.org/opa006rdp/206_16_60_38.png)
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on November 02, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Pand, here is the return trip from the test ISP.
===
 traceroute 74.131.1.245
traceroute to 74.131.1.245 (74.131.1.245), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  66.151.248.1 (66.151.248.1)  0.376 ms  0.431 ms  0.332 ms
 2  core1.pc1-bbnet1.ext1a.dal.pnap.net (216.52.191.39)  2.480 ms  1.421 ms  1.327 ms
 3  er1-ge-7-12.dallasequinix.savvis.net (208.175.175.53)  1.137 ms  1.105 ms  1.650 ms
 4  144.232.25.89 (144.232.25.89)  1.653 ms  4.282 ms  17.728 ms
 5  144.232.11.211 (144.232.11.211)  2.900 ms  2.734 ms 144.232.11.179 (144.232.11.179)  3.980 ms
 6  144.232.1.160 (144.232.1.160)  2.611 ms  7.730 ms  8.342 ms
 7  sl-crs2-nsh-0-5-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.24.251)  22.986 ms sl-crs2-nsh-0-11-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.31)  23.962 ms sl-crs1-nsh-0-11-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.19)  21.813 ms
 8  sl-crs1-roa-0-12-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.6.111)  29.074 ms  29.635 ms  28.376 ms
 9  sl-gw22-roa-14-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.106)  28.240 ms sl-gw22-roa-15-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.108)  28.779 ms sl-gw22-roa-14-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.106)  29.383 ms
10  sl-insig-265776-0.sprintlink.net (144.223.18.42)  36.943 ms  36.957 ms  36.509 ms
11  * * *
12  74-131-1-245.dhcp.insightbb.com (74.131.1.245)  38.859 ms *  39.335 ms


Here it is from the old server location.
====
traceroute 74.131.1.245
traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 206.16.60.41 @ e1000g0
traceroute to 74.131.1.245 (74.131.1.245), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  206.16.60.46 (206.16.60.46)  0.846 ms  0.518 ms  0.384 ms
 2  mdf001c7613r0002-gig-10-2.dal1.attens.net (63.241.193.17)  0.702 ms  0.320 ms  0.320 ms
 3  12.122.251.57 (12.122.251.57)  1.032 ms 12.122.251.61 (12.122.251.61)  1.013 ms 12.122.251.57 (12.122.251.57)  1.016 ms
 4  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.138.190)  5.709 ms cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.85.70)  3.758 ms cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.138.190)  4.417 ms
 5  dlstx02jt.ip.att.net (12.122.214.245)  1.202 ms dlstx02jt.ip.att.net (12.122.214.249)  9.857 ms  1.271 ms
 6  144.232.7.41 (144.232.7.41)  2.145 ms  1.869 ms  2.284 ms
 7  144.232.11.207 (144.232.11.207)  3.327 ms sl-crs4-fw-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.191)  3.570 ms 144.232.11.181 (144.232.11.181)  5.396 ms
 8  144.232.1.162 (144.232.1.162)  3.367 ms  2.851 ms  2.811 ms
 9  sl-crs1-nsh-0-5-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.65)  24.889 ms sl-crs2-nsh-0-9-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.123)  23.881 ms sl-crs2-nsh-0-5-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.24.251)  23.225 ms
10  sl-crs2-roa-0-2-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.221)  28.791 ms  28.601 ms sl-crs2-roa-0-0-3-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.6.115)  31.182 ms
11  sl-gw22-roa-15-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.108)  27.931 ms  28.208 ms  27.845 ms
12  sl-insig-265776-1.sprintlink.net (144.223.18.42)  38.781 ms  39.087 ms  39.047 ms
13  * * *
14  74-131-1-245.dhcp.insightbb.com (74.131.1.245)  36.190 ms *  36.909 ms


I am seeing packet loss on both, but that could be the router giving ICMP ECHO messages a low priority.

Once both routes hit Sprint, they have the same route going back and the packet loss is on that side of the route.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Halo46 on November 02, 2012, 08:22:04 PM
I have been seeing more mini warps as well, usually in among a large group of AC. Not sure what it all means, but seems the average times have almost doubled... I'm not complaining just trying to provide some more data.

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 11/2/2012 5:58:58 PM to 11/2/2012 6:01:13 PM

 1    9 ms   10 ms   12 ms   11 ms    9 ms    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms  [10.81.64.1]
 2  101 ms  110 ms    7 ms    8 ms   10 ms    8 ms    9 ms   11 ms    9 ms    8 ms  24-234-16-157.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.16.157]
 3   *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       [-]
 4   10 ms   17 ms   10 ms    8 ms   11 ms    8 ms   11 ms   57 ms   11 ms    9 ms  24-234-6-254.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.254]
 5   24 ms   26 ms   26 ms   24 ms   25 ms   24 ms   89 ms   57 ms   25 ms   23 ms  paltbprj01-ae0.0.rd.pt.cox.net [68.1.0.234]
 6   30 ms   29 ms   30 ms   30 ms   33 ms   28 ms   30 ms   28 ms   29 ms   28 ms  dcr2-ge-7-0-0-292.sanfranciscosfo.savvis.net [208.173.170.1]
 7   32 ms   43 ms   54 ms   32 ms   33 ms   43 ms   36 ms   35 ms   37 ms   34 ms  cr1-tenge-0-3-5-0.sanfrancisco.savvis.net [204.70.200.198]
 8   66 ms   68 ms   66 ms   66 ms   66 ms   68 ms   67 ms   68 ms   69 ms   65 ms  dcr2-so-5-0-0.Chicago.savvis.net [204.70.192.46]
 9   89 ms   88 ms  125 ms   64 ms   63 ms   61 ms   64 ms   61 ms   63 ms   61 ms  dpr1-ge-4-0-0.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.196.30]
10   60 ms   64 ms   60 ms   64 ms   61 ms   61 ms  103 ms   64 ms   62 ms   61 ms  er1-te-2-1.dallasequinix.savvis.net [204.70.204.145]
11   61 ms   62 ms   64 ms   62 ms   63 ms   62 ms   65 ms   61 ms   62 ms   62 ms  [208.175.175.54]
12   87 ms   63 ms   63 ms   61 ms   62 ms   61 ms   62 ms   62 ms   65 ms   62 ms  border1.te3-1-bbnet1.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.2]
13   64 ms   74 ms   83 ms   78 ms   65 ms   67 ms   65 ms   65 ms   67 ms   66 ms  [66.151.248.2]

Ping statistics for 66.151.248.2
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 64ms, Maximum = 83ms, Average = 69ms


Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 11/2/2012 6:06:39 PM to 11/2/2012 6:08:54 PM

 1    9 ms   10 ms    9 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms    8 ms    7 ms  [10.81.64.1]
 2   39 ms    8 ms    8 ms   38 ms   10 ms    8 ms   38 ms   18 ms   11 ms   39 ms  24-234-16-153.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.16.153]
 3   10 ms   10 ms   10 ms   24 ms   20 ms   11 ms    9 ms    9 ms    9 ms   19 ms  24-234-6-121.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.121]
 4   10 ms    9 ms   11 ms   10 ms   10 ms   33 ms   10 ms    9 ms   10 ms    9 ms  24-234-6-218.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.218]
 5   21 ms   20 ms   49 ms   22 ms   22 ms   21 ms   21 ms   21 ms   21 ms   21 ms  langbprj01-ae1.rd.la.cox.net [68.1.1.13]
 6   16 ms   16 ms   16 ms   15 ms   14 ms   17 ms   14 ms   15 ms   17 ms   15 ms  xe-7-3-1.edge2.LosAngeles9.Level3.net [4.53.230.41]
 7   17 ms   15 ms   14 ms   15 ms   16 ms   26 ms   16 ms   17 ms   16 ms   15 ms  [192.205.37.145]
 8   63 ms   65 ms   66 ms   65 ms   60 ms   69 ms   62 ms   65 ms   63 ms   61 ms  cr2.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.106]
 9   58 ms   58 ms   50 ms   51 ms   52 ms   51 ms   51 ms   49 ms   51 ms   52 ms  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.177]
10   71 ms   76 ms  131 ms  170 ms   63 ms   63 ms   61 ms   61 ms   61 ms   59 ms  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
11   64 ms   63 ms  N/A      65 ms  N/A      61 ms   61 ms   63 ms  N/A      62 ms  [12.122.251.70]
12   50 ms   49 ms   49 ms   51 ms   51 ms   51 ms   49 ms   51 ms   52 ms   63 ms  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
13   49 ms   50 ms   49 ms   50 ms   49 ms   51 ms   48 ms   50 ms   51 ms   48 ms  [206.16.60.38]

Ping statistics for 206.16.60.38
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 48ms, Maximum = 51ms, Average = 49ms

Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Lusche on November 03, 2012, 01:39:23 AM
Will do another plot later, but ingame the Host Qeue Time is extremely jittery all the time in LW, while  perfectly flat in EW and MW. I see alot of mini warps and for the first time in my AH carre I seem to experience what they call "rubber bullets"
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Greebo on November 03, 2012, 02:22:53 AM
I'm getting the same as Lusche, very spiky host queue graph in the LW MA but flat in the other MAs and some mini warps.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Skuzzy on November 03, 2012, 05:51:27 AM
A spiky host queue graph would normally indicate an issue with the server itself.  I'll look into that.  We are using a server we have never used for an arena before.
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: LCADolby on November 03, 2012, 06:04:26 AM
I read this
A spiky host queue graph would normally indicate an issue with the server itself.

I remembered this
But look at the spikes in the new servers ping trace, it's probably the cause of alot of the mini warps.

(http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/27224/52508)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMa0CxgCqiM
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: TwinBoom on November 03, 2012, 08:56:07 AM
I'm getting the same as Lusche, very spiky host queue graph in the LW MA but flat in the other MAs and some mini warps.

Same for me too very spiky graph but i was smooth as glass in the Scenario arena
Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Lusche on November 05, 2012, 08:02:13 PM
A spiky host queue graph would normally indicate an issue with the server itself.  I'll look into that.  We are using a server we have never used for an arena before.

That's the current situation for me:

MW:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/mw.jpg)


LW:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/lw.jpg)

Both taken in the past 30 mins, with some, but not too many planes around in both cases.


-----


New LW:
Target Name: N/A
         IP: 66.151.248.2
  Date/Time: 06.11.2012 03:02:17 to 06.11.2012 03:04:37

Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    15   0 0,0   0   3   1  [192.168.1.1]
 2    15   0 0,0   8  17  10  esn001ibr002-xdsl.versatel.de [62.214.64.97]
 3    15   0 0,0   8 201  21  ge-1-10-v515.esn001isp006.versatel.de [62.214.105.213]
 4    15   0 0,0   9 206  26  fra20ip6.versatel.de [62.214.104.174]
 5    15   0 0,0  15 123  27  10g-8-4.hhb002isp005.versatel.de [62.214.110.122]
 6    15   0 0,0  14  18  15  hmb-s2-rou-1103.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.120.117]
 7    15   0 0,0 106 122 108  dssd-s2-rou-1102.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.229.57]
 8    15   0 0,0 136 182 155  asd2-rou-1022.NL.eurorings.net [134.222.228.137]
 9    15   0 0,0  36  74  39  mchr-s1-rou-1041.UK.eurorings.net [134.222.228.14]
10    15   0 0,0 108 110 109  nyk-s2-rou-1001.US.eurorings.net [134.222.226.157]
11    15   0 0,0  98 163 104  [12.250.255.9]
12    15   0 0,0 143 148 145  [12.122.105.90]
13    15   0 0,0 143 147 145  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
14    15   0 0,0 144 149 146  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
15    15   0 0,0 144 150 146  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
16    15   0 0,0 142 255 163  ggr6.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.113]
17    15   0 0,0 144 200 148  [12.90.228.14]
18    15   0 0,0 145 148 146  border1.te4-1-bbnet2.dal006.pnap.net [216.52.191.66]
19    15   0 0,0 144 148 145  [66.151.248.2]

old LW

Target Name: N/A
         IP: 206.16.60.38
  Date/Time: 06.11.2012 03:05:27 to 06.11.2012 03:08:17

Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1    18   0 0,0   0   3   1  [192.168.1.1]
 2    18   0 0,0   9  40  11  esn001ibr002-xdsl.versatel.de [62.214.64.97]
 3    18   0 0,0   8  65  17  ge-1-10-v515.esn001isp006.versatel.de [62.214.105.213]
 4    18   0 0,0   8 216  31  [62.214.111.25]
 5    18   0 0,0   9 141  28  10g-9-1.dus002isp005.versatel.de [62.214.110.233]
 6    18   0 0,0   9  50  14  [212.162.17.5]
 7    18   0 0,0   9  41  13  vl-3201-ve-128.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.161.133]
 8    18   0 0,0  12  26  13  ae-45-45.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.143.197]
 9    18   0 0,0  12  16  13  ae-1-100.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.141.170]
10    18   0 0,0  19  26  20  ae-48-48.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.143.82]
11    18   0 0,0  88 177  94  ae-44-44.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.78]
12    18   0 0,0  88 149  97  ae-91-91.csw4.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.78]
13    18   0 0,0  88 119  90  ae-4-90.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.155.209]
14    18   0 0,0  92 270 103  att-level3.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.63.142]
15    18   0 0,0 134 313 146  cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.130.170]
16    18   0 0,0 134 282 144  cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
17    18   0 0,0 135 273 144  cr1.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.1.173]
18    18   0 0,0 136 244 144  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.28.174]
19    18   0 0,0 132 218 140  ggr1.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.138.1]
20    13   0 0,0 133 252 147  [12.122.251.70]
21    18   0 0,0 133 207 141  mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.dal1.attens.net [63.241.193.14]
22    18   0 0,0 133 140 135  [206.16.60.38]



Title: Re: New ISP Adjustment
Post by: Pand on December 07, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Not sure if everyone else's issues have been resolved, but apparently the issue was on my side.  My cable modem was porking out, and as long as only a few connections were actively using the internet, all was fine and full/normal speed; however, if anyone on my connection did anything else, it drastically affected my ping to the AH servers.

Cable modem replaced, connection and variance is perfect now.