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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jarbo on November 04, 2012, 02:07:30 AM
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I am absolutely sure, that all sides experience this issue. Get close to winning a map. 1/2 your country is AFK, so you eat an ENY penalty for inactivity. I really think a timer that boots a player for no activity would HELP gameplay issues. Properly implemented, to account for GVers in a tank looking around, this could benefit the game, anyone disagree?
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+1
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I am absolutely sure, that all sides experience this issue. Get close to winning a map. 1/2 your country is AFK, so you eat an ENY penalty for inactivity.
It would boot the 'inactive' players on all sides, so chances are good that you still end up with the same ENY. Right now there are 30 of 49 Bish 'inflight' (61%), but also only 9 out of 18 Knights (50%).
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Recommend moving this post to the wish list. This is a really good idea!!!
+1
:aok
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(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/nope_logo2.gif)
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Awww, I'm sorry you couldn't horde with p51's and had to choose something else...waaaa :cry
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Sweet.....let's boot the guy who drove a m3 two sectors and is waiting for the white flag.
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Simple pop up box "Warning: you are about to be booted for inactivity".
Problem solved.
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To address your M3 concern, it could be designed so "any" activity would reset the timer. Maybe 2-hrs for in flight, 1 hr for in tower.
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It is too easy to bypass auto boot settings. Hitech said so himself and said there will never be an auto-boot feature.
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Does eny not already account for inactive players??
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My understanding of the current ENY formula is:
static void _CalculateBalance(arnaCOUNTRY_BALANCE * Balance)
{
const arnaSETTINGS * Settings;
double BalanceGain;
double Least;
int Country;
Settings = arnaservGetSettings();
if(Balance->TotalPlayerCnt > 0 )
{
if(Settings->MinBalanceTotal != 0)
{
BalanceGain = (double)Balance->TotalPlayerCnt / (double)Settings->MinBalanceTotal;
}
else
{
BalanceGain = 1;
}
if(BalanceGain > 1)
{
BalanceGain = 1;
}
Least = 2.0;
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->CountryPer[Country] = (double)Balance->PlayerCnt[Country] / (double)Balance->TotalPlayerCnt;
if(Balance->CountryPer[Country] < Least)
{
Least = Balance->CountryPer[Country];
}
}
if(Least != 0)
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] =
(Balance->CountryPer[Country] - (Least + Settings->BaseCountryPer)) * Settings->CountryBalanceScale * BalanceGain * 100;
if(Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] < 0)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
if(Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] > Settings->MinEnyValue)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = Settings->MinEnyValue;
}
}
}
}
else
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
}
if(Balance->TotalPlayerCnt < 6)
{
for(Country=0;Country<pcMAX_COUNTRY;++Country)
{
Balance->MinEnyValue[Country] = 0;
}
}
}
It is based on total player count, not in flight.
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Well then, the sensible thing to do would be to ask for inactive players to be taken into consideration regards ENY rather than booting people. :old:
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Sweet.....let's boot the guy who drove a m3 two sectors and is waiting for the white flag.
I agree with icepac, boot the m3 drivers :devil
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The problem with modifying inflight is that it could cause wild ENY swings as missions launch.
I actually decided to graph what the eny formula looks like. Using current arena settings, there are 4 variables (3 cnts, and ENY), so I had to make an assumption about the "middle" country count in each graph.
I am not trying to turn this in to an ENY rightness/wrongness rant. Just want to share what I see.
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6532/enymidatmidpt.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/enymidatmidpt.jpg/)
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6456/enymideqlarge.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/enymideqlarge.jpg/)
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9852/enymideqsmall.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/enymideqsmall.jpg/)
AND YES, I AM A NERD!
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Your $14.95 is superior to their $14.95 becasue of what??
I can see Hitech explaining to his wife and child that they are broke becasue he decided some players $14.95 was superior to other players $14.95.
And I can see his lawyer trying to explain to the divorce judge why his client should not be declaired incompetant as a a court mandate.
Preliminary Hearing for Divorce.
Judge - Your client refused to accept subscription fees from some subscribers in favor of other subscribers and this is why he is bankrupt?
Lawyer - No your honor. He accepted the arguments of one group of subscribers to eject another group from the game for inactivity but, continued to take their monthly subscription submissions.
Judge - Activity or inactivity. You stated earlier the only rules for playing this game are the TOS, inapropriate language and cheating.
Lawyer - Yes your honor.
Judge - And the spouse is also including a class action against the group of players who argued for the expulsion of inactive players based on forum posting records?
Lawyer - Yes your Honor.
Judge - So why is your client pleading insanity?
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Your $14.95 is superior to their $14.95 becasue of what??
I can see Hitech explaining to his wife and child that they are broke becasue he decided some players $14.95 was superior to other players $14.95.
And I can see his lawyer trying to explain to the divorce judge why his client should not be declaired incompetant as a a court mandate.
Preliminary Hearing for Divorce.
Judge - Your client refused to accept subscription fees from some subscribers in favor of other subscribers and this is why he is bankrupt?
Lawyer - No your honor. He accepted the arguments of one group of subscribers to eject another group from the game for inactivity but, continued to take their monthly subscription submissions.
Judge - Activity or inactivity. You stated earlier the only rules for playing this game are the TOS, inapropriate language and cheating.
Lawyer - Yes your honor.
Judge - And the spouse is also including a class action against the group of players who argued for the expulsion of inactive players based on forum posting records?
Lawyer - Yes your Honor.
Judge - So why is your client pleading insanity?
You have got to be kidding. There will be mass canceling of subscriptions because someone got booted for inactivity? If those players are so fickle, then they would quit for any one of a 100 reasons, so there would be no loss revenue. Golly Gee they would quit because LW Arena crashed today.
I could care less if there are time limits for inactivity or not, but this is really started to stretch it a bit as a reason not to.
My Opinion
Fred
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ENY is limited to what? 28... Hardly a handicap. Quit complaining.
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The point of this thread was to explore the pros/cons of inactivity booting. I can see how it might be detrimental to someone who launches a set of buffs and lets them climb while AFK. The M3 point is also valid.
Let's limit the scope to "in tower AFK booting". I don't see how it harms the truly inactive player (especially those in the tower). They just log back in. And it makes the ENY apply to those truly participating.
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The point of this thread was to explore the pros/cons of inactivity booting. I can see how it might be detrimental to someone who launches a set of buffs and lets them climb while AFK. The M3 point is also valid.
Let's limit the scope to "in tower AFK booting". I don't see how it harms the truly inactive player (especially those in the tower). They just log back in. And it makes the ENY apply to those truly participating.
i'd just run a utility like xumouse.. it can wiggle or click your mouse automatically to keep you "active".. i'd do it just to bug you. :devil
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I don't see how it harms the truly inactive player (especially those in the tower).
You would probably see quite a number of field guns manned at remote fields... ;)
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Or an M3 parking lot out past the last feild before the HQ.
Judge - So why is your client pleading insanity?
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Pffft lolOnly the guys that need the latest greatest to be effective are penalized.
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Here it is in layman's terms.
When 1 country gets within 4 hours of winning the map, a whole bunch of dickheads feel entitled to the measly 25 points for the war win.
So they stay logged in, drive eny up above 25 and the rest of the country is stuck with junk planes to take enemy bases with, even though there is no real numbers advantage because the overwhelming majority of people logged in are not playing.
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Sweet.....let's boot the guy who drove a m3 two sectors and is waiting for the white flag.
:noid
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eny only effects the weak so -1
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ENY is limited to what? 28... Hardly a handicap. Quit complaining.
It's a big handicap if you want to fly off a CV. F4F-3's and A6M2s are not very capable or survivable in Late War.
I don't see why anyone would be bothered by being booted from the arena if they're not playing, they can just log right back in when they come back. It was an issue when there were arena caps, but those are long gone. Most of the long-inactive people probably either intended to come back but something else came up, or want to be online to get the perks for a war win. In the first case there's no reason to be upset at being booted, in the second they should be booted.
+1 for the idea, even if the implementation can't be perfect.
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It's a big handicap if you want to fly off a CV. F4F-3's and A6M2s are not very capable or survivable in Late War.
Leave your man card behind when you leave the building. :old:
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I am absolutely sure, that all sides experience this issue. Get close to winning a map. 1/2 your country is AFK, so you eat an ENY penalty for inactivity. I really think a timer that boots a player for no activity would HELP gameplay issues. Properly implemented, to account for GVers in a tank looking around, this could benefit the game, anyone disagree?
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But Only for people sitting in the tower doing nothing... not for afk bombers, m3's waiting for white flag etc...
If you're in the tower... hit the showers!
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...or want to be online to get the perks for a war win.
Last I heard, you don't need to be online to get the perks...you just need to have been on the winning side for 12 consecutive hours when the war gets won.
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To address your M3 concern, it could be designed so "any" activity would reset the timer. Maybe 2-hrs for in flight, 1 hr for in tower.
+1 with the above or similar included.
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Last I heard, you don't need to be online to get the perks...you just need to have been on the winning side for 12 consecutive hours when the war gets won.
Negative ghostrider, I am almost positive you must be online and have been on the winning side for greater than 12 hours.
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Negative ghostrider, I am almost positive you must be online and have been on the winning side for greater than 12 hours.
you would be wrong :aok
:neener:
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you would be wrong :aok
:neener:
you sure about that? My perks never go up when I am offline... :uhoh
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you sure about that? My perks never go up when I am offline... :uhoh
well I am not 100% positive :uhoh but I am pretty sure as long as you were on the country for 12 hrs you get the perks, I have a feeling HTC said that.
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just quit giving perks to the winning side.
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Make it possible to flip maps faster and stop giving war win perks. Fewer players will be sitting in the tower. Or 100 perks to the player who dropped the troops that won the war and a faster way to flip maps.
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just quit giving perks to the winning side.
+1
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just quit giving perks to the winning side.
+1
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well I am not 100% positive :uhoh but I am pretty sure as long as you were on the country for 12 hrs you get the perks, I have a feeling HTC said that.
I tested it in midwar the other day. No perks if not in the game when war is won.
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To the point of the post: Gotta make an "Auto Boot" for inactivity +1
Or at least remove them from the roster, or mark them as inactive.
It won't happen, especially if HT has already weighed in on it.
I never expected that if I went AFK for an hour and came back I would still be online. Why would I need that? I can just log in again.
Seriously. That's not a challenge, it's a question. I don't CO a squad. I'm not usually (almost never) a tanker or a bomber, so my perspective is limited.
Other than for some commander functions in a scenario, why would anyone need to stay logged in, inactive, for more than an hour? :headscratch:
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well I am not 100% positive :uhoh but I am pretty sure as long as you were on the country for 12 hrs you get the perks, I have a feeling HTC said that.
It used to be that way. In my first weeks in the game, it was almost my only source of perks ;)
However, it's definitely not working that way anymore. I logged off a few hours ago when Bish were about to win Ndisles and just logged back on. My perks are still the same in all categories.
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looks like another wine because people won't play the you want
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I am absolutely sure, that all sides experience this issue. Get close to winning a map. 1/2 your country is AFK, so you eat an ENY penalty for inactivity. I really think a timer that boots a player for no activity would HELP gameplay issues. Properly implemented, to account for GVers in a tank looking around, this could benefit the game, anyone disagree?
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I think you are right
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just quit giving perks to the winning side.
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I say 50 perks to the winning side divided amongst the total population.