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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Randy1 on November 16, 2012, 11:07:11 AM
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It is hard to grasp how long others survive in a fur-ball. Fur-balling for me is exciting but a quick way back to the tower unless I am having a good run of luck.
From the radio traffic, I have the impression that some consistently survive the fur-ball long enough to run low on fuel or run out of ammo. I assume they break off, and land safely to claim their multiple victories.
Is the life of a fur-ball'er always a short one for the average person or is there hope to get good enough to consistently survive to safely land at your base?
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cant say for sure as I am not a "furballer" but many who say they furball really just gang and pick.....a furball would consist of equal number of red and green, I would say the longer you fly if you always fly to fight and not worry about living or dieing, you will get better and as time goes by you will find yourself surviving and killing more....
or you could be like a very few who attack the gangs....such as myself....and die just about every sortie :rock
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Get a friend. Rope a dope is how you survive most furballs. And if your friend can't aim, get a better one. You rarely get more than one chance to kill someone in a furball.
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Keep your SA about you. Never become target fixated, and always keep your E. Especially in a massive furball. When you do engage take it vertical (if your plane allows) then fall back in to the Mess/opponent and rebuild your E in the process. If you get slow, you will get picked. If you stay fast but lack SA you will get picked/ho'd/hammered in to the ground. (unless in a 51, then just run like H3ll and laugh) Deflection shooting or making them knife out in front of you for a snap shot is the best way to kill in a furball. You saddle up on your targets 6 for -any- length of time and your asking to be towered out A.S.A.P.
Near the most important piece of all is, find a good buddy to fly wing. 2 sets of eyes always trumps the lonely pair.
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Oh, and it helps to not fly an "out of place plane". A P39 among a sea of Spits, 109s and P51s usually wont end well.
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If you want to survive in a furball, you have to pick, imo.
If you're going to mix it up and commit to turning, may I suggest mixing several strong cocktails and taking them to the face right before you lift. It will ease the :bhead and make the experience much more :rock.
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12 green dots head to enemy field.
12 green dots hover over enemy field and town and somehow leave the town and field undamaged.
1 green dot returns to base with one pick kill and a couple of vulches early on.
11 of the green dots don't return to base but rather get run down by pursuing enemy fighters.
Formerly pursuing enemy fighters are now attacking field where the 12 green dots upped.
Enemy takes field.
I'm not sure how people can do the same exact thing over and over and expect the outcome to magically be different than the last 879 times they did it.
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I only see one decent fur ball a month now...it's pathetic.
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Oh, and it helps to not fly an "out of place plane". A P39 among a sea of Spits, 109s and P51s usually wont end well.
i dunno bout that. i'm on the lower tier of "skillz" yet i have managed to hold my own with "out of place" planes in furballs more times than not. some of it is luck, some is who's in the furball with you, some is communications, but most of it is knowing the plane you're flying. i've seen guys take p40e's into furballs and land 4 or 5 kills, without intentional cherry picking.
I'm not sure how people can do the same exact thing over and over and expect the outcome to magically be different than the last 879 times they did it.
i'm guessing you spend most of your time in the da or doing something besides flying in ah...
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Randy1 < who :)
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If you're in an area where there are multiple bandits, keep it fast. Slow planes that are turning to fixate on one plane are asking to be shot at. Keep fast, and as much as possible try to keep all the bandits in one direction relative to you. If you're surrounded, it's harder to keep track of all the bandits.
My usual tactic is to work in from the top at an edge of the fight.
Wiley.
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Record film when Bruv is in a furball and then watch it from his point of view... You learn much about e retention and finding the best target(s). :)
Use film to learn from the best. :old:
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The fights I have enjoyed most have been the intense, many on many, furballs that I have fought in from the center and either managed to live or at least live for many minutes. It really forces you to stretch your SA in order to do so and get kills at the same time.
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:huh :huh :huh :huh Shave the Furball ! :huh :huh :huh :huh
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Keep your SA about you. Never become target fixated, and always keep your E. Especially in a massive furball. When you do engage take it vertical (if your plane allows) then fall back in to the Mess/opponent and rebuild your E in the process. If you get slow, you will get picked. If you stay fast but lack SA you will get picked/ho'd/hammered in to the ground. (unless in a 51, then just run like H3ll and laugh) Deflection shooting or making them knife out in front of you for a snap shot is the best way to kill in a furball. You saddle up on your targets 6 for -any- length of time and your asking to be towered out A.S.A.P.
Near the most important piece of all is, find a good buddy to fly wing. 2 sets of eyes always trumps the lonely pair.
Angel pretty much posted what I would have.
:aok
(unless in a 51, then just run like H3ll and laugh) This made me :rofl :rofl :cry :rofl :rofl
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you dont need a wingman.....your best friend is ALT....get above the hoard and let them come to you, use a good plane, and you can really get them in a frenzy....ive had 10-15 sometimes more...... guys all trying to kill me..killing 4 or more...with out BnZ them....using the vert and having that initial ALT advantage......granted I pretty much always just start turning with them :D
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Agree too with Angel. SA in a many vs many environment is a good challenge.
Do not forget tactic lesson #1, attack homewards, or meet a horrible death trying for the second kill low that is twisting and turning.
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Randy, I suggest you look into Special Events, such as FSO. It runs three Fridays a month at 11pm est, and focuses on squadron v. squadron rather than every man for himself. The only requirement is that you find a squad beforehand (ie you can't hop in the arena and ask for a spot).
It is much more realistic than the MA, with objectives for each side, orders prepared by assigned squadrons, limited icon range (generally 3K instead of 6K), historic and pretty even plane sets, etc. Also, you only get 1 life, so it really helps with SA and making sure you are trying your best to stay alive. The dogfights are generally pretty fun and take a lot of concentration, since you never know when an enemy is right on your tail (3K of range goes quick). There have been a few times where I have found myself alone fighting 3 guys, praying some friendlies show up to help me out. There are many squadrons that fly in it and I'm sure some would be happy to give you a seat if you'd like to try it out.
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What Ink said: Alt = life
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Nothing better then turning in a 38G on the deck with 5 guys all trying to shoot you and seeing how long you can live :)
There are people in this game who do wander out on the deck looking for the nearest cloud of planes to run into. It isn't a good way to play if you like to see your name in lights, or to boast about your K/D. That being said there are some of those people who can wander in one side of the fight on the deck and come out the other side without flying the latest and greatest or picking.
Not many, but some. I unfortunately am not one of them, but a good furball is the best place to be in the MA.
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bombers are fun in a furball :devil
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Where are the real furballers?
I like to find the best turning plane in the furball and saddle up on his six. As he twists and turns I can totally target fixate without fear as most aren't going to be able to stay with us. The moment he quits turning or goes vert it's time to break because his buddy's on my six and needs me to smooth my flight path to get a shot. At that point I find the next best turning plane and latch on while my original prey and his buddie get distracted with someone else.
SA's important but if you know the dynamics of a furball you can interpret what's happening without having to see it.
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:huh :huh :huh :huh Shave the Furball ! :huh :huh :huh :huh
:rofl
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Nothing better then turning in a 38G on the deck with 5 guys all trying to shoot you and seeing how long you can live :)
There are people in this game who do wander out on the deck looking for the nearest cloud of planes to run into. It isn't a good way to play if you like to see your name in lights, or to boast about your K/D. That being said there are some of those people who can wander in one side of the fight on the deck and come out the other side without flying the latest and greatest or picking.
Not many, but some. I unfortunately am not one of them, but a good furball is the best place to be in the MA.
:aok IF you care about score, then deck fighting is not for you, but if you can grab a beer, kick back, and just have a blast fighting, then the fur ball might be fun for you. I always enjoyed finding Guppy on the deck. Its really all about attitude, nothing more. Oh and I personally only appreciate a good furball if you get in there and scrap, not pick and run or hide on the edges...
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:ball . Its really all about attitude, nothing more.
:aok wish you the best of luck bud!
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I read each reply taking each one as a script of wisdom. It is clear my weakness are numerous from everyone's post.
I do get greedy pushing for one more shot as my E bleeds off too far so I will try to nip that one in the bud and exit for more E.
I have climbed in a fur-ball to get that high 109 and it has never worked.
No more of that.
Leave the P47 at home in an on the deck fur-ball. Take the La7. Can't count the number of times I have dived in with P47 at blistering speed, made a shoot then tried to keep turning past the escape E level for more shoots and got shot when I slowed down even tried flaps.
I do find myself focused on making a shot and forgetting they're are others shooting at me.
Thanks for all the replies. Now to put the wisdom to work; the hard part.
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Nothing better then turning in a 38G on the deck with 5 guys all trying to shoot you and seeing how long you can live :)
There are people in this game who do wander out on the deck looking for the nearest cloud of planes to run into. It isn't a good way to play if you like to see your name in lights, or to boast about your K/D. That being said there are some of those people who can wander in one side of the fight on the deck and come out the other side without flying the latest and greatest or picking.
Not many, but some. I unfortunately am not one of them, but a good furball is the best place to be in the MA.
bombers are fun in a furball :devil
This is true, but I have found that extended lifespans deep in a furball are rare in my Mossie. It seems to attract a lot more attention than it warrants. ;)
Generally I have found the Ki-84, Spitfires VIII and IX, Bf109F and A6Ms to be the best for long survival times inside a furball.
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Nothing better then turning in a 38G on the deck with 5 guys all trying to shoot you and seeing how long you can live :)
There are people in this game who do wander out on the deck looking for the nearest cloud of planes to run into. It isn't a good way to play if you like to see your name in lights, or to boast about your K/D. That being said there are some of those people who can wander in one side of the fight on the deck and come out the other side without flying the latest and greatest or picking.
Not many, but some. I unfortunately am not one of them, but a good furball is the best place to be in the MA.
This!
If you enter the fight with more than 2K you're doing it wrong. :D
JUGgler
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I read each reply taking each one as a script of wisdom. It is clear my weakness are numerous from everyone's post.
I do get greedy pushing for one more shot as my E bleeds off too far so I will try to nip that one in the bud and exit for more E.
I have climbed in a fur-ball to get that high 109 and it has never worked.
No more of that.
Leave the P47 at home in an on the deck fur-ball. Take the La7. Can't count the number of times I have dived in with P47 at blistering speed, made a shoot then tried to keep turning past the escape E level for more shoots and got shot when I slowed down even tried flaps.
I do find myself focused on making a shot and forgetting they're are others shooting at me.
Thanks for all the replies. Now to put the wisdom to work; the hard part.
Oh my!! God should strike you down for this! ;)
JUGgler
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Oh my!! God should strike you down for this! ;)
JUGgler
Agreed, God made P47's so he wants you to fly them. I got totally addicted to them, for 6 months. They are like morphine, once you start using, they own you.
Now I have gone to the Devils spawn, the 109K.
65 rounds of 30mm Cannons Muhahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahhah (the smell of sulphur, flames, and just a hint of a forked tail flickering past your vision)
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Again, just my opinion, and not suggesting it's right or wrong.
What I find is the hardest about being a 'furballer' in the MA is it gets very tempting to fight the guys in the uber birds or pickers with the same bird. To me that's caving in, and I've done it on more then one occasion where it's into a Spit or a 51 just to be able to 'live' a bit longer.
The absolute best furballers I've ever seen have been guys who go in to the fight in a less then uber bird and tear it up. I'm not talking Hurri IIcs cause the cannon is more then an equalizer in a low and slow fight. But a guy in a F4F or FM2, a D-11 Jug,P-39, P40, 109E or something along those lines who has learned to do more with less is the guy I watch for in a low fight.
The benefit in the end for doing that is learning to get everything out of the particular bird they fly. Watch the few 51 guys who furball. They do things with the 51 that the BnZ 51 drivers would never ever try as they've not pushed the 51 as far as it will go. That applies to any number of the latewar birds that usually are only flown one way.
Again, there is no 'right way'. The advantage of not really dying is if you choose to push the edge, you get the time to learn, even if it costs you cartoon airplanes.
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My advice is find a style or plane you enjoy and fly it. Don't let others tell you how to play the game, find out for yourself. If people don't like your style or plane choice well to hell with them.
That to me is where the enjoyment is.
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My advice is find a style or plane you enjoy and fly it. Don't let others tell you how to play the game, find out for yourself. If people don't like your style or plane choice well to hell with them.
That to me is where the enjoyment is.
Oh oh, we're agreeing again.... :aok
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Oh oh, we're agreeing again.... :aok
Well as long as no one in KN finds out its all good.
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Well as long as no one in KN finds out its all good.
LOL I'll never tell!
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What Ink said: Alt = life
Let's not encourage the 40k pony boys. :rolleyes:
As to caving into das furball. I don't care the spit16,brewster,and zeke are getting it first. ;)
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It is hard to grasp how long others survive in a fur-ball. Fur-balling for me is exciting but a quick way back to the tower unless I am having a good run of luck.
From the radio traffic, I have the impression that some consistently survive the fur-ball long enough to run low on fuel or run out of ammo. I assume they break off, and land safely to claim their multiple victories.
Is the life of a fur-ball'er always a short one for the average person or is there hope to get good enough to consistently survive to safely land at your base?
Only measure your flights in fun. You will never be disappointed.
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As to caving into das furball. I don't care the spit16,brewster,and zeke are getting it first. ;)
I bet you'd actually go for the P-47, P-38, Mossie, Bf110 or A-20G before the Spit, Brewster or Zero.
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In the bigger furballs anyway...For me it seems like its been one or two kills and I'm down. Not landing a whole hell of a lot the last few days.
Gotta add though...If there are check 6's going on the landing % goes way up. One thing that just gets me, is looking back and seeing a red icon 600-800 out or so with green icons following him and not getting a single check...... :mad:
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My idea that ALT is your best friend is for Lone wolf flying, taking on as many as you can, fighting at all times even when they are higher and yes many times I go in 16K and there are 4 to 5, 51's 5 k higher.....
a furball is totally different....... seeings how that what he asked about I shoulda kept out of it.
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I bet
You lose! ;)
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You lose! ;)
Doubt it. The "free kill" is a temptation that very few give up when it is presented. After all, that Spitfire, Brewster or A6M will still be there after the five seconds it takes you to rack up the kill on the lumbering target.
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Stick and move. And don't miss your shots.
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Stick and move. And don't miss your shots.
most important in all situations :aok
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It is hard to grasp how long others survive in a fur-ball. Fur-balling for me is exciting but a quick way back to the tower unless I am having a good run of luck.
From the radio traffic, I have the impression that some consistently survive the fur-ball long enough to run low on fuel or run out of ammo. I assume they break off, and land safely to claim their multiple victories.
Is the life of a fur-ball'er always a short one for the average person or is there hope to get good enough to consistently survive to safely land at your base?
I have realized that it's hard to fly away from a fur-ball without getting picked by someone coming in with E-advantage. There are also pilots that have their wingmen setting you up for a kill. Therefore it's really hard to land kills by flying in fur-balls. I'm honest when I say that the best way to land many kills is to pick fur-ballers.
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From what I've notice, if you go vertical for more than a few seconds, chances are you're about to e jumped. Either kill the con in a split second and dive back down or don't go vertical at all.
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P47 guys a question. I really like the P47 but I have a short life when things get hairy. Is there a speed you try to maintain in a furball or any dogfight situation.? I get into trouble quickly when in my P47N by turning too tight. Do you turn in larger arcs to keep the speed higher and use speed as your advantage? The plane goes fast given time and turn-climbs great but if I get caught burning off speed turning too much and too low to dive there seems to be no way out of the situation.
I know when I fly the La7 it is quick to accelerate after a tight turn. At least so far I survive the longest in an La7 because I can keep the plane changing directions continuously.
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I prefer the 11 or 25 in a furball. Yes, keep it above 250 or you're going to find yourself in big trouble. Jugs always attract attention since the other birds do accelerate better. I like chopping throttle and letting them get in front of me, if they don't ram they get a real close dose of .50 cal.
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P47 guys a question. I really like the P47 but I have a short life when things get hairy. Is there a speed you try to maintain in a furball or any dogfight situation.? I get into trouble quickly when in my P47N by turning too tight. Do you turn in larger arcs to keep the speed higher and use speed as your advantage? The plane goes fast given time and turn-climbs great but if I get caught burning off speed turning too much and too low to dive there seems to be no way out of the situation.
I know when I fly the La7 it is quick to accelerate after a tight turn. At least so far I survive the longest in an La7 because I can keep the plane changing directions continuously.
I stick to the F4U, but one of my favorite tactics that I use would work for the P47 as well...
Simply fly through the fight at whatever alt puts you above about 2/3 of the enemy planes. Get one or two of the higher enemy to latch onto your tail, and take them to one side of the fight. Kill him/them, and then go back and get another one.
Most fights have a tendency to run in a line between two fields. If that line is say, north-south, take your victims to the east or west to get a touch of privacy...
I basically only fly "lone wolf" style, and prefer to be outnumbered by enemies. That said, I don't like to get swarmed either... One of my favorite pastimes is hunting the edges of the mob, and singling a lamb or two to drag out and slaughter. Flying this way is one of the tactics that will have you running out of fuel and ammo once you figure it out...
Also, I never seem to have any trouble finding decent 1v1 fights hunting the swarms like this.
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P47 guys a question. I really like the P47 but I have a short life when things get hairy. Is there a speed you try to maintain in a furball or any dogfight situation.? I get into trouble quickly when in my P47N by turning too tight. Do you turn in larger arcs to keep the speed higher and use speed as your advantage? The plane goes fast given time and turn-climbs great but if I get caught burning off speed turning too much and too low to dive there seems to be no way out of the situation.
I know when I fly the La7 it is quick to accelerate after a tight turn. At least so far I survive the longest in an La7 because I can keep the plane changing directions continuously.
My general rule of thumb for working a crowd in a jug is never get below 250mph, conserve your E as much as possible, don't zoom sharply or dump your E unless you absolutely have to. The jug takes so long to get speed back, getting slow puts you in high danger for half a minute or more, and most stuff that will come at you at that point can out-turn you with ease.
Keeping speed and making relatively wide looping turns, with shallow climbs where I can, looking for an enemy aircraft to come into my vector of fire is what I'm looking for in a jug in a furball.
In any aircraft, one of my rules is never zoom in a crowd and expect to live.
Wiley.
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The Key to the jug in a large furball is entry speed. I like to get a full head of steam (300 mph+) and come at the furnalls from angles rather than headlong when I'm intending to survive. While it's true the D-25 and D-11 turn better at slow speed the M and N jugs accelerate better and provide more getaway speed when the turds start hitting the fan. Speed is certainly your friend but overshoots work well when you do get slow. Try to keep the fights going downhill and try to keep a little alt in reserve to provide yourself a diving escape.
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My general rule of thumb for working a crowd in a jug is never get below 250mph, conserve your E as much as possible, don't zoom sharply or dump your E unless you absolutely have to. The jug takes so long to get speed back, getting slow puts you in high danger for half a minute or more, and most stuff that will come at you at that point can out-turn you with ease.
Keeping speed and making relatively wide looping turns, with shallow climbs where I can, looking for an enemy aircraft to come into my vector of fire is what I'm looking for in a jug in a furball.
In any aircraft, one of my rules is never zoom in a crowd and expect to live.
Wiley.
Nearly the same as how I feel except it would be more like: Never zoom into a crowd with Wiley and expect to live. <S> Wingie.
Radio conversations between us while wingin :
Me: there are 10 guys coming to us now, we need to get out.
Wiley: pewpewpewpewpew
Me: these guys are diving in we need to go now man !
Wiley: pewpewpewpewpew
Me: you have 5 guys on you, I got 5 guys on me, I'm trying to take em off you, nose down now lets get the hell out !!!!!
Wiley: pewpewpewpewpew
Me: Oh what the hell, it's a good day to die, pewpewpewpewpew
Wiley: pewpewpewpewpew
Furballs with a friend are the very best. It is the only time I could care less if I live or die.
It's a beautiful thing, whatever plans you had fail and you just gotta go with the flow.
Switching from one enemy to the next as the opportunity presents itself is such a ball !
And then, every now and again, the skies are clear, it's you and your wingy the last ones left, missing parts, leaking, and ya get to giggle all the way back to land.
That P47, I fly it fast when I can't fly it high. Sinve she wont accelerate well you gotta keep her speed up, keep your eyes moving, if it seems you been on a guy's 6 to long, you have and his buddy is most likely on yours.
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P47 guys a question. I really like the P47 but I have a short life when things get hairy. Is there a speed you try to maintain in a furball or any dogfight situation.? I get into trouble quickly when in my P47N by turning too tight. Do you turn in larger arcs to keep the speed higher and use speed as your advantage? The plane goes fast given time and turn-climbs great but if I get caught burning off speed turning too much and too low to dive there seems to be no way out of the situation.
I know when I fly the La7 it is quick to accelerate after a tight turn. At least so far I survive the longest in an La7 because I can keep the plane changing directions continuously.
If you're not familiar or not very experienced with the p47 line-up, I'd say the "N" is the wrong one to start with. The D11 or D40 would be my advice to getting use to JUGgling.
The D11 is IMHO the easiest JUG to use in the MA. It turns nicely, accelerates fair (at least for a JUG), has excellent rudder authority and very nice flaps.
The D40 is excellent for learning "energy management" with the P47 line, it maintains E better than all but the "N", dives like a raped ape, in fact I believe it would catch the "M" in a dive and is NOT the worst turning JUG.
The "M" is in a JUGgling class of its own, very fast, accelerates ok, turns fair but doesn't slow down as quickly as the other JUGS and IF you want to be successfull with the P47 you must learn how to "slow down" properly. Slowing down is NOT your enemy (no matter what most of these guys will tell you) always be friends with slowing down, embrace it and you will have success.
The D25 is IMHO the worst JUG of the lot, incidently it is my favorite! It is a train car with wings, easily the least refined and the dirtiest JUG in the inventory. Nothing fancy here just dirty dirty dirty. To start with the D25 would be a mistake also.
The "N", Oh boy how much good can I say about the "N"aughty lady? The "N" is truely interesting and very capable. It takes the most experience to get the most out of, but there is more to get for those who are experienced, slow, fast , high or low it is the ride for the P47 artist, a very gracefull and beautiful machine. Rolls very nice, floats like a cloud, rudder authority is on par with a corsair and once she has a head of steam, blisteringly fast.
It is easy to give up on the P47 line-up if you are choosing the wrong one for your experience level. Be patient, learn how to slow down, get efficient with flaps and rudder assist rolling and you will begin to improve.
A well flown JUG can be a very nasty suprise for those who take them for granted ;)
Good luck, have fun :cheers:
JUGgler
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When you have a few green guys with you..not bad...when you stray over that line....you all know it..the one when you all of a sudden notice only red icons....0 survival ....but heaps of fun trying to make a few auger before you go down
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I've spent most of my AH-life as a furballer, it's the part of the game that I find most appealing. A good furball is a constant risk-reward evaluation, I think by far the two most important skills to develop in a furball environment are SA and gunnery. A furball rewards those who can kill quickly, if you have to saddle up on someone and hang there for a long time you are going to draw the attention of other cons and/or set yourself up for a drag by the target you're chasing.
When I arrive at the fight I like to have a little alt, I typically cruise around 8K. This puts me either with a bit of an alt advantage for a low fight in the weeds, or with enough air under my wings to have options for enemies who arrive overhead. Ideally I like to be a few thousand feet above the main fight, I think there is such a thing as too much alt. I always try to orient myself to the landmarks in the area, I need to know which direction is the nearest enemy field and which direction is the nearest friendly field. And I want to know if possible what direction that is w/out having to stop and pull up the map. I want to know if "that" mountain is off my left wingtip then I'm heading N for example. This let's you "cheat" a bit with your SA and pay more attention to a particular part of the sky that MOST of the bad guys will be coming from. Conversely I also know where most of my help is coming from.
Assuming I'm on the perch and in a position to attack I keep that geographical orientation in mind when selecting targets, I always try to attack/dive either perpendicular to, or ideally away from the most likely avenue of approach. I don't want to surrender my alt and E chasing one guy under a bunch of his incoming friends. Work the fight top down and when you're out of E take a bit of a breather and climb a bit, also practice situations where you don't have things they way you want them. It's great to hold the advantage when you can but being equally comfortable starting from a lower E position goes a long way because you can't always dictate the starting parameters.
Most MA furball victories are scored quickly, the longer that particular engagement goes the odds increase that either someone is going to "steal" your kill or you're going to get picked or jumped by someone else go up. You CAN survive in a furball while mixing it up but there's a lot of threat management that goes into it.
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The life expectancy of a genuine furball is pretty low these days, it's upcoming end being preceded by staments on country like "A3 is a waste of time, it's only a furball now" or "PONY MISSION POSTED" :old:
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The life expectancy of a genuine furball is pretty low these days, it's upcoming end being preceded by staments on country like "A3 is a waste of time, it's only a furball now" or "PONY MISSION POSTED" :old:
:bolt:
Everytime I hear the bit about a furball being a waste of time I chuckle, as if sitting around playing cartoon fighter or bomber pilot isn't by definition a colossal waste of time. I always thought that was kind of the point.
:)
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That was a great read. I really appreciate y'all sharing your experience.
The other day I came across a P47 and I had an La7. I was on top with lots of E with the P47 near the deck. How could I loose I thought. I got beat and beat with just plain better piloting. I good see the other pilot using the skills y'all posted for sure.
I did better last night trying to put to use all the good advice.