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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: homersipes on November 25, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJtJUVyEyYY&list=FLERl6LWxTiLFhHuJX7ddqlw&index=3
never knew a clutch could blow apart like that :O :O would have loved to take a drive in that
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Wow...that completely destroyed the engine when it let go.
Really scary thinking what would happen with those parts flying through the cabin.
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:O
Lucky he didn't lose a leg.
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Safety Equipment is just that.
As much as he put into that car (and others like him) ...
..it just boggles me when they choose not to do even the most obvious bits.
Scatter Shield is called that for a reason. Even a brand new clutch can blow apart like a bomb.
Driveshaft loop, engine tie down cable, subframe connectors, roll cage
.. all there to keep yer butt alive when somethin tries to bite.
Especially on the older cars .. even the wheel studs should be replaced with 'the good stuff'
if yer gonna slam some serious torque to 'em.
-Frank
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTgnbl1-QcU
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In the late 60s' a group of us would run during grudge night at the Quaker City Dragway in Salem Ohio.
Good friend of mine John was running....64 Ford with a 428 Cobra in it.....clutch shattered, came up through
floorboards, took two toes from his right foot, debris slammed into the steering colum even.
From then on we installed scatter shields....of course designed by us back yard mechanics.
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Anyone notice the driver was burning the clutch while the tires stood still when it went?
Clutches and flywheels like to fall apart when they are heated white hot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJtJUVyEyYY&list=FLERl6LWxTiLFhHuJX7ddqlw&index=3
never knew a clutch could blow apart like that :O :O would have loved to take a drive in that
think of the clutch in your car as a time bomb. the flywheel weighs around 12 pounds or more, then the pressure plate/disc assembly another 5 to 8 pounds. then spin those puppies up to 5,0oo rpm. you've got a TON of stored energy there. that's why we run scatter shields, and blow proof bellhousings when we race manual transmission cars.
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Safety Equipment is just that.
As much as he put into that car (and others like him) ...
..it just boggles me when they choose not to do even the most obvious bits.
Scatter Shield is called that for a reason. Even a brand new clutch can blow apart like a bomb.
Driveshaft loop, engine tie down cable, subframe connectors, roll cage
.. all there to keep yer butt alive when somethin tries to bite.
Especially on the older cars .. even the wheel studs should be replaced with 'the good stuff'
if yer gonna slam some serious torque to 'em.
-Frank
you wanna hear something seriously messed up? back when i used to be at the track every single weekend, street night, and gamblers night.....there was a guy built a 67 mustang coupe. beautiful car. stupid fast too. running mid 9's. did everyting perfect, and right. except the harness. wanna guess where it was bolted? and how he tested it? and if or not he survived that tesgt?
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whoops
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finally got home and was able to see the video. \
dude is LUCKY he built 600+ horsepower, and didn't spend the extra few bucks for a scattershield/blowproof bell? if that thing had let loose at the top of a gear....or worse, at the top end of his runs on the track, he'd not have been posting this video....
guys......if you're even racing a stock manual transmission equipped car.........spend the money on the safety equipment. please. it only takes once.
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finally got home and was able to see the video. \
dude is LUCKY he built 600+ horsepower, and didn't spend the extra few bucks for a scattershield/blowproof bell? if that thing had let loose at the top of a gear....or worse, at the top end of his runs on the track, he'd not have been posting this video....
guys......if you're even racing a stock manual transmission equipped car.........spend the money on the safety equipment. please. it only takes once.
CAP,
I have an 07 Acura TL type S manual since new - I don't do anything to it, but this video scares the F out of me. Does my car have anything built into it to prevent this or is a SS something that needs to be added on?
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CAP,
I have an 07 Acura TL type S manual since new - I don't do anything to it, but this video scares the F out of me. Does my car have anything built into it to prevent this or is a SS something that needs to be added on?
not sure but isnt that front wheel drive? so the engine would sit sideways or am I mistaken? I would think that it shouldnt need it :headscratch:
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CAP,
I have an 07 Acura TL type S manual since new - I don't do anything to it, but this video scares the F out of me. Does my car have anything built into it to prevent this or is a SS something that needs to be added on?
to the best of my knowledge, they don't come with anything protective from the factory. in fact, i'm not sure what can be done with a front wheel drive transaxle to protect from something like this. the problem with fwd transaxles, is that the bellhousing is part of the trans.
not sure but isnt that front wheel drive? so the engine would sit sideways or am I mistaken? I would think that it shouldnt need it :headscratch:
the engine/trans are mounted sideways, but that doesn't mean that the clutch still can't explode.
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Aye Cap .. was in the stagin lanes during time trials at LACR one fine day..
..guy stages his big block 55 chebby .. 12" slicks, saw the deep pan, announcer said it was a 454 ..
...did a nice wheelstand comin off the line ..he hit second, the car turned sharp right into the guardraill and flipped over.
Apparantly he had his seat harness poorly mounted ..he came loose and broke his neck, dead on the scene.
Car did the sharp right because he sheared an axle.
-Frank
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Thing that kills me about that is, it blew and buddy just steps out completely unconcerned. Maybe he's just not prone to freaking out, but I think it's more likely he's part of the large portion of the populace that just doesn't realize how close they come to death or dismemberment until it actually happens.
Wiley.
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Thing that kills me about that is, it blew and buddy just steps out completely unconcerned. Maybe he's just not prone to freaking out, but I think it's more likely he's part of the large portion of the populace that just doesn't realize how close they come to death or dismemberment until it actually happens.
Wiley.
I'm thinking his feet aren't, by far, the only part of him too small and narrow - although in this single case he's da!@ lucky they are.
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Aye Cap .. was in the stagin lanes during time trials at LACR one fine day..
..guy stages his big block 55 chebby .. 12" slicks, saw the deep pan, announcer said it was a 454 ..
...did a nice wheelstand comin off the line ..he hit second, the car turned sharp right into the guardraill and flipped over.
Apparantly he had his seat harness poorly mounted ..he came loose and broke his neck, dead on the scene.
Car did the sharp right because he sheared an axle.
-Frank
dude in the stang i mentioned blew something through the side of the block up top end. oil on slicks, car rolled, threw the dude out, then rolled over him. same end result as you said though......dude was dead on the scene. all for one single shortcut.
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the engine/trans are mounted sideways, but that doesn't mean that the clutch still can't explode.
right I didnt think that there was much you could do for protection
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right I didnt think that there was much you could do for protection
well, admittedly, when you're talking about those, their version of "high horsepower" is probably upwards of 125 or so........ :noid :bolt:
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286hp actually and a redline of 6900.
It doesn't take huge hp to grenade a flywheel.
If you get the friction surface red hot from room temperature in 2 seconds, the flywheel is hugely stressed because the friction surface is expanding while the rest isn't yet.
Couple that with high rpms and you have trouble.
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sheesh...some people don't recognize sarcasm, lolololol :noid
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Well, technically speaking the clutch doesn't really "explode". It just comes apart and the fragments get scattered........ But there isn't really an explosion...... :bolt:
:neener:
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Well, technically speaking the clutch doesn't really "explode". It just comes apart and the fragments get scattered........ But there isn't really an explosion...... :bolt:
:neener:
you've actually got a good point.
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Well, technically speaking the clutch doesn't really "explode". It just comes apart and the fragments get scattered........ But there isn't really an explosion......
almost a fragmenting grenade :O without the propellants
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almost a fragmenting grenade :O without the propellants
the stored energy is its propellent.
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CAP,
I have an 07 Acura TL type S manual since new - I don't do anything to it, but this video scares the F out of me. Does my car have anything built into it to prevent this or is a SS something that needs to be added on?
There has to be some sort of scatter sheild available for front drivers,they drag race them so it must be manditory. I'd check the honda forums for race setups etc.,you're surely to find something that will place your mind at ease.
IIRC,the transfer case is on the drivers side of the car so it would still be capable of sending sharpnel into the divers side.
I know of a fellow who almost lost his right arm to a clutch,that incedent started most guys to install scatter shields,but like hajo said most were some type of homemade thing as they just werent readily available back then.
:salute
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There has to be some sort of scatter sheild available for front drivers,they drag race them so it must be manditory. I'd check the honda forums for race setups etc.,you're surely to find something that will place your mind at ease.
IIRC,the transfer case is on the drivers side of the car so it would still be capable of sending sharpnel into the divers side.
I know of a fellow who almost lost his right arm to a clutch,that incedent started most guys to install scatter shields,but like hajo said most were some type of homemade thing as they just werent readily available back then.
:salute
i'm not much into tuners......but considering that some of them can make decent power till they pop, i'd imagine they have to have something.
i seem to recall there being a transmission blanket for automatic transmissions back in the day. i'd imagine they've got something like that available for the tuner crowd.
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CAP,
I have an 07 Acura TL type S manual since new - I don't do anything to it, but this video scares the F out of me. Does my car have anything built into it to prevent this or is a SS something that needs to be added on?
You're ok. What is "built" into your car is the really that it isn't a massive horsepower monster that has been built as such aftermarket. The engineers of the car likely considered these things when they designed it. What you saw was someone modifying a car far beyond its original specifications, which along with performance modifications, might, or should require safety modifications as well.
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I'll take that turbo off of your hands :cheers: :aok
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Thx for the pix Ice,I've never seen a scatter sheild for a frontdriver before! :aok
However I knew they had to exist,just makes sense.
Even thought the Acura doesnt make big HP doesnt mean it cant blow a clutch,the likelyhood of it grenading like in the video are somewhat remote but as Ron says"you cant cure stupid".
I'm not infering that Wolfala suffers from stupid,just that it's possible to blow a clutch doing something stupid!
:salute
PS: the car that almost took that guys arm was a maveric grabber with a 302 that doesnt have a whole lot more HP than the Acura,plenty more torque but HP is fairly close.
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TORQUE is what moves our cars, and what breaks parts. :devil :noid
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:O
Lucky he didn't lose a leg.
I know is stock car racing there's a shield just for that type of thing.
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150 mph on public roads, sweet!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLVZeNLQ0xw
not sure how fast he was going but damn fast in a kart :O
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a friend did same thing in his 69superbee
him and his buddy had just installed a new drag clutch what kind escapes me as I was young and dumb
they are doing burnout in the driveway,their story they heard a hi pitched whine just as it let go causing them to pull their feet back as they leaned forward to hear the noise better ,the fragments cam through the floorboards,sticking in the dashwhere their feet would have been no injuries except the superbee. true story I saw the hole in the floorboards and the decimated bell housing a few days later.
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You're ok. What is "built" into your car is the really that it isn't a massive horsepower monster that has been built as such aftermarket. The engineers of the car likely considered these things when they designed it. What you saw was someone modifying a car far beyond its original specifications, which along with performance modifications, might, or should require safety modifications as well.
Just making sure. The TLS is torquey if you beat on it (which I don't) - I just want to make sure that I'm not at risk for something like this
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Just drive in one of these, no need for a stupid scatter shield.
(http://blastmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eod.jpg)
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Torque!!
-Frank aka GE