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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: USRanger on December 04, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty much disgusted.
http://guardianofvalor.com/autozone-fires-an-air-force-veteran-devin-mcclean-for-botching-robbery/
Looking at Autozone's Facebook page, there are a whole lot of fired up people about this.
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Yeah, big companies don't like employees doing stuff like this.
Because they "might get hurt". :rolleyes:
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See Rule #6
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Yep, O'Reilley's will get my business until Autozone does something about this.
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Yea. I avoid companies that do things like this. I don't do "boycotts" but I avoid a few places that suck. I guess autozone joins Sony as an avoidance brand.
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Don't do much business with auto parts stores any more but when I do I will avoid Auto Zone.
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Sad that I have one a short 200 yard or so walk through the woods behind my house...
O'Reilly's is less than a mile away though, so be it.
http://www.facebook.com/BoycottAutozoneInSupportOfDevinMcclean?fref=ts
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Autozone, you're fired!
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See Rule #6
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GET OUTTA DA ZONE!
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It's all about $$$ for the company. Their insurance probably has a compliance clause in the policy that requires employees to comply or escape, nothing else. It's cheaper to bury an employee now and then than it is to pay for more expensive insurance for all their stores.
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Autozone, you're fired!
My thoughts exactly.
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See Rule #14
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Also, keep in mind that many employers have life insurance policies on their employees, so the death of an employee on the job is a cash gain for them.
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i'll be making phone calls to 2 friends of mine that work at autozones, and let them know about this.....and why they'll never see me step foot in one, or call to order something.
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i'll be making phone calls to 2 friends of mine that work at autozones, and let them know about this.....and why they'll never see me step foot in one, or call to order something.
then check out the policy on all the other stores/banks/pizza delivery, including o'reillys.... they all have the standard policy, no guns or you will get fired.
midway
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then check out the policy on all the other stores/banks/pizza delivery, including o'reillys.... they all have the standard policy, no guns or you will get fired.
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common sense and truth has no place in a thread like this, you unamerican POS!
guardianofvalor.com is a great website we are very lucky to have it :salute
God Bless
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It's all about $$$ for the company. Their insurance probably has a compliance clause in the policy that requires employees to comply or escape, nothing else. It's cheaper to bury an employee now and then than it is to pay for more expensive insurance for all their stores.
Here is your answer ^.
They likely had no choice but to fire him or lose their insurance coverage. The story would be the same at O'Reilley's, Pep Boys or any other corporate owned store. Blame the insurance company.
The upside of this is the guy is likely to land a job 10x better than the one he had from all the press it's getting.
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common sense and truth has no place in a thread like this, you unamerican POS!
guardianofvalor.com is a great website we are very lucky to have it :salute
God Bless
that has nothing to do with the facts that all big corporations will fire whoever brings a gun to stop a robbery. it's in their policy. oreilly has the same policy. burger king, macdonalds, pizza hut, domino's have all fired employess for having possession of a gun even when they were being robbed.
funny how you call me unamerican while you live in new zeland.
midway
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It's all about $$$ for the company. Their insurance probably has a compliance clause in the policy that requires employees to comply or escape, nothing else. It's cheaper to bury an employee now and then than it is to pay for more expensive insurance for all their stores.
it's not so much that is cheaper to bury an employee, companies pay plenty when employees die. but for an untrained employee coming in with guns blazing and hurting customers that would be some serious crap. then the money will run into the millions of dollars. remember the 2 trained nypd officers that hurt a bunch of civilians? it could happen at you nearest burger king too.
Also, keep in mind that many employers have life insurance policies on their employees, so the death of an employee on the job is a cash gain for them.
this is misleading bunnies. most companies will only have insurance policies on "key" employes of the company. meaning Senior VP's and above. the rank and file will be covered by their umbrella policy. and most likely the deductible wont even cover an employees death. companies do offer insurance policies to the rank and file but that is for the benefit of their families. there's no "insurable interest" for the rank and file. wikipedia has a pretty good write up on it.
midway
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it's not so much that is cheaper to bury an employee, companies pay plenty when employees die. but for an untrained employee coming in with guns blazing and hurting customers that would be some serious crap. then the money will run into the millions of dollars. remember the 2 trained nypd officers that hurt a bunch of civilians? it could happen at you nearest burger king too.
this is misleading bunnies. most companies will only have insurance policies on "key" employes of the company. meaning Senior VP's and above. the rank and file will be covered by their umbrella policy. and most likely the deductible wont even cover an employees death. companies do offer insurance policies to the rank and file but that is for the benefit of their families. there's no "insurable interest" for the rank and file. wikipedia has a pretty good write up on it.
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I was referring to several class action lawsuits against Walmart... (but you are right, I don't know if autozone does this)
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2006/12/07/74803.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2006/12/07/74803.htm)
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He took the initiative, saved lives, and defended his place of business from hostile attack....
how does this man deserve firing?
Logic escapes me.
I suppose we would expel baseballers who use their bats to fend off a man robbing their clubrooms.... "use of offensive weapons against a member of the public".
Its the same logic... American citizens, especially veterans, are generally armed, and restricting their constitutional rights, and their ability to carry out their civic duties isn't on.
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I hate to crush your butterfly but contrary to what you may have seen in the movies we don't all normally walk around with six shooters on our hips.
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Most US Citizens that I know personally over the age of 18, have Concealed Carry.
My friend 1sum41 on this very BB, has enough firepower to wage a small war.
Im just saying that a considerable number of American Citizens are armed, and that should be taken into account.
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Most US Citizens that I know personally over the age of 18, have Concealed Carry.
And the VAST majority of Americans I know over the age of 18 don't have concealed carry.
My friend 1sum41 on this very BB, has enough firepower to wage a small war.
Good for him, but that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Im just saying that a considerable number of American Citizens are armed, and that should be taken into account.
More Americans drink than own guns so by that logic we should be able to turn up to work drunk.
Do a lot of us own guns? Sure we do, but that doesn't mean we walk around strapped up all the time. Stuff like this makes for a great sensationalism piece and all but it's not that uncommon. A lot of places, probably more than not, have policies on weapons in the workplace, and pretty much anyplace retail or with cash on hand tells their people in the case of a robbery to just cooperate and get it over with and get the offenders out the door as quickly as possible. Does it suck that he lost his job? It sure does, but he broke the rules and with stuff that serious it's usually no tolerance.
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I hate to crush your butterfly but contrary to what you may have seen in the movies we don't all normally walk around with six shooters on our hips.
youre right, i personally have a five shooter
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my wife has worked in retail and she says they cant confront anyone about stealing, they just have to let them walk out the door. pretty rediculous
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It's ashamed he got fired. As a Vet my policy - Whatever the Robber was to take would have been covered
by insurance. His life cannot be replaced. I would've said, Sure take everything, I'll be glad to help you clean out registers.
It's Not MY property, no threat to any of My family members? Not worth Mylife.
I could understand if it was his store/property. Otherwise not worth the risk, especially for a
minimum wage job.
In the words of Nishi -
Saroot :salute
Oz
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then check out the policy on all the other stores/banks/pizza delivery, including o'reillys.... they all have the standard policy, no guns or you will get fired.
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i happen to know for fact that the mom n pop place i buy my pizza from has at least 2 firearms in the store at all times. often there's local police in there too. i order from papajohn's sometimes, and the usual driver is a marine, who was injured, and now is out. i generally make sure to tip him much better than i would anyone else.
people have to take a stand, or things will spiral downhill quickly. the guy did break their rules. the circumstances warranted a closer look at said rules, and perhaps a writeup, rather than firing someone that actually cares about his place of work, and his co-workers. i'd have that guy work with/for me any time.
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I worked for an autozone store before transferring to its distribution warehouse back when I was in college, under the employee guidelines it strictly says during a robbery do nothing, give up the register and run out.
There is no Insurance on employees unless the employee pays for it - problem is the legal problems that goes with having insurance/no insurance - say an employee decides to foil a robbery and gets shot, then they are on the hook for lawsuits and medical bills. Plus the employee also gets workers comp and everything else.
What is so hard to understand? RUN AWAY give up the register... Autozone stores have insurance for robberies, whatever gets stolen can be recovered.
my wife has worked in retail and she says they cant confront anyone about stealing, they just have to let them walk out the door. pretty rediculous
Think about it for a minute - use surveillance cameras to I.D. the person and let the police handle it, or rather have an untrained person whose job is to "sell merchandise" to confront criminals?
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This day in age i cant say im surprised.
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I worked for an autozone store before transferring to its distribution warehouse back when I was in college, under the employee guidelines it strictly says during a robbery do nothing, give up the register and run out.
There is no Insurance on employees unless the employee pays for it - problem is the legal problems that goes with having insurance/no insurance - say an employee decides to foil a robbery and gets shot, then they are on the hook for lawsuits and medical bills. Plus the employee also gets workers comp and everything else.
What is so hard to understand? RUN AWAY give up the register... Autozone stores have insurance for robberies, whatever gets stolen can be recovered.
Think about it for a minute - use surveillance cameras to I.D. the person and let the police handle it, or rather have an untrained person whose job is to "sell merchandise" to confront criminals?
What people are not thinking about is that the young man ran from the store, grabbed his personal weapon from his vehicle and returned to protect his go-workers, one of whom thought that the young man probably saved his life.
Another point is that this shoe can fit both feet... People have been sued for NOT intervening in robberies where they could have prevented a death or injury.
Some have argued that the robber had robbed as many as 30 businesses and had not shot anyone. Stupid argument, at best. How could the victims know the robber's past behavior, and what promise is there that today, he won't panic and shoot someone?
The reality is that the employee feared for the lives of his co-workers and customers. Thus, he used the means at hand to protect them, and did so successfully without discharging his firearm. Inasmuch as he did not break the law, and used restraint, who, having not walked in his shoes that day, can criticize his actions?
If Autozone displayed some wisdom, they would have fired him to satisfy their poorly thought-out policy, and then rehired him immediately.
Here's a true example of corporate stupidity. A mid-size specialty defense company, a subsidiary of a larger corporation, had a zero tolerance policy for work place violence. You strike or fight with anyone on company property, and you're terminated. No exceptions. Their leading defense sales guy was assaulted in the office by a drunk janitor with a knife. He defended himself, wrestling the janitor to the floor and restraining him until the police arrived. The janitor was charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon. However, the company fired the salesman for fighting in the work place. No reasonable argument would deter the enforcement of policy, which did not even allow for self defense from a deadly attack. The salesman was hired by a competitor. Some important customers, having heard of the incident, took their business to the competitor, following the sales rep. The company, having lost considerable business, failed to make their numbers by almost 40%. Within 18 months, Corporate decided to close the subsidiary and move the balance of the work 600 miles to another subsidiary. 365 employees lost their jobs... The unfairly treated sales guy? He's now VP of Business Development for the competitor.
Stupid is as stupid does....
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See Rule #14
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What people are not thinking about is that the young man ran from the store, grabbed his personal weapon from his vehicle and returned to protect his go-workers, one of whom thought that the young man probably saved his life.
Another point is that this shoe can fit both feet... People have been sued for NOT intervening in robberies where they could have prevented a death or injury.
Stupid is as stupid does....
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I know well enough, when I was the receiving/processing manager for Autozone, we had a yard-dog sleep in the Cab, at nights we only had one on duty while day-time we had two. He would sleep in the Cab, both myself and the nightshift manager didn't care, he worked there 9 years and always did his job which was move trailers around etc. Until one day a security guard seen him on camera napping in the cab, then woke him up. Then he reports the guy to the Warehouse manager who fired the guy. We got a letter from the boss to hire a new yard-mover and sure enough we called the guy back and hired him.
Warehouse manager didn't say anything with two night shift managers hiring the guy back, frankly we had nobody else with that kinda experience anyhow. The look on the security guards face was priceless when he walked back into the building to clock in, then go back to his cab to sleep.
Its a two way street really, Warehouse employee's are under the team leaders, team leaders under the managers - yard movers are frankly their own boss, just as the truck drivers are (unless they work for the company then its different).
In three years I never really seen anyone get "fired" out of place other then this, most were either drunk or stupid.
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It is kind of a biased sample I must admit.
My friends are all from Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Florida, Carolina, Virginia etc..
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It is kind of a biased sample I must admit.
My friends are all from Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Florida, Carolina, Virginia etc..
Most people in those states don't have cc licenses. They're fairly uncommon.
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Most people in those states don't have cc licenses. They're fairly uncommon.
:huh :huh :lol
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:huh :huh :lol
http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm
Looks like the state with the most concealed carry permits is Florida, which has almost 1 million. In a state with over 19 million people this equates to about 5% of the population. I would say that makes it pretty uncommon.
I can think of two people that I know who have CC permits, and Pennsylvania has issued more CC permits than Texas.