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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Zeagle on December 31, 2012, 08:51:40 AM
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F-15 ACM (http://player.vimeo.com/video/40935850)
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That will give eagl a chubbie.
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It's always a good watch but I feel like Eagle's seen this!
I think I remember him talking about how bad those pilots get their backs screwed up, using the guy looking over his shoulder during a 6 g turn as the example.
We need to find the 2011 winners vid :)
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Awesome! :airplane:
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Awesome vid. :x Thanks for sharing :cheers:
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Yes it's been posted before but always worth a revisit. If you can connect to a HDTV do so for the full effect.
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Sweet video, terrible music.
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Sweet video, terrible music.
You mean you didn't like the cover of "Bad Company" ? :D
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I think I remember him talking about how bad those pilots get their backs screwed up, using the guy looking over his shoulder during a 6 g turn as the example.
Why?
Was it about the seat leaning angle or some another reason/s?
I'm asking this, because once I read, the F16 pilots seat leaning angle was causing a lot of issues for pilots to check their c5/7 under the G's.
TY
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That was awesome, thanks for posting :aok
Why?
Was it about the seat leaning angle or some another reason/s?
I'm asking this, because once I read, the F16 pilots seat leaning angle was causing a lot of issues for pilots to check their c5/7 under the G's.
TY
Yea, pretty much, I believe the reason for the seat angle is to help reduce the G load on the pilot
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It takes far more "transverse G" than "longitudinal G" to black you out.
That's the reason some planes have the pilot almost laid down.
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Reclining seat has higher ultimate G tolerance for the pilot if he is just looking forward, but that typically results in the pilot sustaining higher Gs while trying to turn his head. This commonly blows out a cervical disc or in severe cases can either fracture vertebrae or cause a weird spine dislocation waaay up in the neck. Not good.
F-15 pilots typically see lower or mid back injuries because unlike the F-16 pilots who simply turn their heads when under Gs, the F-15 pilot leans forward a bit, twists at the waist, and then braces a shoulder against the seatback and leans against the side of the canopy. That puts the strain on the lower and middle back. Neck strains are still common in the F-15 but the permanent damage is in the lower back vs. the neck.
I think I probably blew out my L5-S1 disc pulling as low as 6 to 6.5 Gs. I was strong enough to move around quite a bit at up to 6 Gs so I didn't unload as much as I should have before moving/twisting around in the cockpit. At the time of the injury I was also pulling up to 8.5 Gs while looking forward and up to 7 or 7.5 while already twisted around looking backwards, so I don't really know exactly when it happened. I just noticed symptoms when I moved from one base to another since loading/unloading my stuff probably aggravated it, and then it just gradually got worse over the next 7 years flying high performance fighters and trainers. I've had one surgery and have been told by 3 surgeons and a pain management specialist that it will never get better and will always hurt and restrict my lifestyle. Further surgery has 1/3 chance of making it better, 1/3 chance it won't change anything, and 1/3 chance it could make it worse or cripple me completely.
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Dang...that is harsh.
I'll bet they see hernia often as well.
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Price you pay for flyin the Ferrari of fighters .. I would have been right there withya if I had been able :)
Moggy an I had a discussion long ago about what it would have been like to actually be in Spits during the Battle of Britain days.
My take ..would have either excelled or been very dead very fast.
No middle ground.
If yer a hunter, you use all you have ..
..because 2nd place is dead.
-Frank (just sayin -tm Pasha)
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Reclining seat has higher ultimate G tolerance for the pilot if he is just looking forward, but that typically results in the pilot sustaining higher Gs while trying to turn his head. This commonly blows out a cervical disc or in severe cases can either fracture vertebrae or cause a weird spine dislocation waaay up in the neck. Not good.
F-15 pilots typically see lower or mid back injuries because unlike the F-16 pilots who simply turn their heads when under Gs, the F-15 pilot leans forward a bit, twists at the waist, and then braces a shoulder against the seatback and leans against the side of the canopy. That puts the strain on the lower and middle back. Neck strains are still common in the F-15 but the permanent damage is in the lower back vs. the neck.
I think I probably blew out my L5-S1 disc pulling as low as 6 to 6.5 Gs. I was strong enough to move around quite a bit at up to 6 Gs so I didn't unload as much as I should have before moving/twisting around in the cockpit. At the time of the injury I was also pulling up to 8.5 Gs while looking forward and up to 7 or 7.5 while already twisted around looking backwards, so I don't really know exactly when it happened. I just noticed symptoms when I moved from one base to another since loading/unloading my stuff probably aggravated it, and then it just gradually got worse over the next 7 years flying high performance fighters and trainers. I've had one surgery and have been told by 3 surgeons and a pain management specialist that it will never get better and will always hurt and restrict my lifestyle. Further surgery has 1/3 chance of making it better, 1/3 chance it won't change anything, and 1/3 chance it could make it worse or cripple me completely.
:salute for the detailed information, sir.
What about the physical training for the pilots? Some weekly special neck training methods with gym machines?
Once I read from somewhere, during the turn fight the pilots are setting/throwing their heads to certain angle and then pull hard.
The target tracking is made with eyes only, while head will stay still on those hard/High G turns.
True?
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Great video and I said it with the first one...I could tak'm!!
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Did one of the F15s cut afterburner in one engine to create added yaw for a roll and break?
I remember reading an account of dogfighting in WW1 in which the auther noted that in his first combat he was aware of turning to keep up with his lead and planes all over the place though when the smoke cleared he swears he did not see a single German plane. Situational Awareness is a premium and I could see one would get lost in these fights, certainly without 6k icon range and red markers for the bad guys.
:salute
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:salute for the detailed information, sir.
What about the physical training for the pilots? Some weekly special neck training methods with gym machines?
Once I read from somewhere, during the turn fight the pilots are setting/throwing their heads to certain angle and then pull hard.
The target tracking is made with eyes only, while head will stay still on those hard/High G turns.
True?
There is some training and advice on how to do strength training for fighter aircrew but there are no real standards for that, other than if you can't do the job or have problems handling the Gs or fail the generic fitness test then that is obviously a problem. Injuries seem to happen to all types of people, although I haven't seen any stats correlating fitness level to injury rate or severity.
Pre-positioning the body prior to pulling Gs is a fairly standard technique, yes. Once you are pulling you don't really want to move. If you guess wrong on where your head will be facing, you probably will have to unload, change position, then pull again.
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fighting noodles, lulz