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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Randy1 on January 12, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
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As an example, when you have you have a choice of saddling up on a Mustang, Spit, P47 or P38 below you and you have a good position on all of them, which plane would you choose first? All pilots have equal skills lets say.
Tactically, I would think the choice should be taking out the plane that is the greatest threat to equalize or advance his or her's E. Real game life though most seem to choose bigger plane first. That's my take on it anyway.
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Spitfire is the biggest threat, so he's my 1st swipe.
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If you've ever flown a B38 you'd already know the answer to this question.
And all of you that say you wouldn't target the 38 first are telling a lie. :old:
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Spitfire is the biggest threat, so he's my 1st swipe.
I'd agree to this.
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Yeah, as a former 38 pilot, that would be first target.
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Depends on the situation, if either is a better prime target based on heading,alt or estimated air speed it could be any of them really..as cherry picking is exactly that. I do suppose it also depends somewhat on what aircraft you yourself are in,and how the ballistics will act. As well as how long you need to keep your nose on target before climbing out.
Sure the 38's big but if you miss, or don't land enough direct shots it may be able to shake off whatever damage and nose up to get a firing solution. Same could be said for any ac really, but i wouldn't set the 38 as primary just because it is a larger target. While coming down on a 38 represents a large enough target to hit,if he see's you coming all any good stick would do is roll 90 degree and present a side profile, that or just simply nose up and climb up while guns blaze.
so uh, it all depends. :D
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Less skilled pilots will go for the 38 every time. Often times putting themselves in harms way. It's the same for injured/smoking planes, which I find hilarious. Go for the highest or fastest con. Or whatever you consider the biggest threat first.
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personally, if they are say in some kinda formation(finger 4 for example), most pilots will go for tail-end charlie. me, I'll try to line up 2 or more, if possible, in the first pass. Usually wind up dead cause I jumped four planes by myself, but I'm not one who cares about rank or score. It's the fight that is fun for me.
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As a Mossie pilot it seems they go for me first most of the time.
The last time I was presented with this situation I had a choice between a P-51D, P-38L and Ki-84-Ia. I went for the Ki-84 first because I considered it the biggest threat.
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To me, you go for the plane that has the ability to equalize energy states with you the fastest... so in your example, the Spitfire.
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I'd go for the highest one or the one who has the speed to get the highest.... unless it's a Brew. I will always pick on the brewsters first :t
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As a Mossie pilot it seems they go for me first most of the time.
When I have gone with the 38, or the 47 that is how it seems to me but more so on the 38.
I must say though, it is easier for me to tangle with an averaged skill guy in a P38 than an average skilled guy in a spit. I guess that is why they are so many spits in the game.
Nothing agonist the P38. It would be my plane of choice if I could survive in it when I go into a hot situation with lots of red icons everywhere.
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38s get a raw deal in target selection it takes a special kind of sadist to fly one :eek: gotta respect someone who flys that exclusive
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P38s are fun. :) Both to fly and to kill.
As an example, when you have you have a choice of saddling up on a Mustang, Spit, P47 or P38 below you and you have a good position on all of them, which plane would you choose first? All pilots have equal skills lets say.
Tactically, I would think the choice should be taking out the plane that is the greatest threat to equalize or advance his or her's E. Real game life though most seem to choose bigger plane first. That's my take on it anyway.
Kill whatever is second fastest/highest. Why second fastest? Because you probably aren't going to catch the fastest, at least not most of the time anyways unless you're zooming around at 15K in a 5 ENY plane.
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Seeing as fly the 38 the most, I personally will go for a spit16 or ponyD first as they are 5eny rides and I enjoy the perkies. Although if im not perk farming I will try to engage the 38 because I love a good 38 vs 38 fight. The down side is 95% of the time the other 3 will jump me while fighting the 38. :(
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As a P-38 driver, I would go for the Spitfire first as that's the only other plane than can out turn me and the biggest threat since it could force a turn fight to allow the other three to pick. After the Spitfire is dead, I can then take my time on the remaining planes and prioritize as needed.
ack-ack
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Need more info!
What are their alts and headings relative to me? Are any of those planes flying together in a group or are they scattered around the area? Have they seen me? Are they already engaged with another target? What model of Spit?
There's not enough here to say who I'd target first.
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If I saw a P51, Spit, P47 and P38 below me the first thing I'd do is climb away from them as there is no way I can ever take on 4:1 odds and end up as anything other than a grease stain on the terrain.
I find it difficult to hit P38s; yes, they are big, but they seem to be composed mostly of air. But then I'm a really bad shot.
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If I saw a P51, Spit, P47 and P38 below me the first thing I'd do is climb away from them as there is no way I can ever take on 4:1 odds and end up as anything other than a grease stain on the terrain.
I find it difficult to hit P38s; yes, they are big, but they seem to be composed mostly of air. But then I'm a really bad shot.
Maybe that's why you continue to be a grease stain? Take a chance and fight. You're holding all the cards.
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Its all about the pilot, not the plane. And the situation, of course.
You can tell how skilled your opponent is, how much of a threat he is, by his moves.
I agree, logically flying, the more dangerous cons should be dealt with first.
Sometimes its more fun to jump on the newb and have a good fight with the ace - even if i might lose :aok
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I'd honestly chose the P51 first. If he doesn't get away right then, he will later. After that happens its all BnZ then extend 6k while he turns around and HO's you. Spit/38 would be my next target.
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As an example, when you have you have a choice of saddling up on a Mustang, Spit, P47 or P38 below you and you have a good position on all of them, which plane would you choose first? All pilots have equal skills lets say.
Tactically, I would think the choice should be taking out the plane that is the greatest threat to equalize or advance his or her's E. Real game life though most seem to choose bigger plane first. That's my take on it anyway.
One vs. four....The first one that isn't paying attention. I won't necessarily be saddling on any of them, I'll go maybe a half turn as all manuevering burns E and allows the others to equalize. My choice is based more on plane driver actions vs plane type. Same applies if I'm getting bounced co-E or from above.
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I have to agree about the mossie statement. It is a bandit magnet. Actually, this is one of its redeeming features - why chase P51s around if instead you can fly a mossie and have them coming to you completely transfixed, like a bunch of teenage girls that spotted Justin Bieber on the street.
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It sounds like the OP was asking which plane would be the easiest target to bring down once you have a gun solution. Of the aircraft mentioned, the spit usually will go down before the others. This has little to do with size but more with durability. A couple rounds in the wing root will snap it off peretty easy compaired to the others. Durability would probably go in this order from least durable to most...spit, 51, 38, 47.
If you're trying to pepper one from a dead 6 from long distance going from easiest to hit to hardest...47, spit, 38, 51.
The 38, while wide from tip to tip, is like a razor from a dead 6.
Top down while trying to score hits with a full profile easiest to hardest to hit...38, 47, spit, 51.
Side view hits easiest to hardest to score...47, 38. The spit and 51 are about equal.
Most to least durable..47, 38, 51, spit.
When entering an engagment with all 4. It really depends on my E state compaired to theirs. If I'm holding a large reserve of E when I come across a group like that I'll dive in and kill whoever isn't paying attention first. Then I'll work the other planes based on my priorities which usually focuses on the most dangerous pilot. Plane selection is usually a good indication of pilot skill. So I'll go after the 38 first because he's the most likely to have the most skill and most likely to pick me off if I get tied up. The other three are pretty much a toss up but I'd probably go in this order after the 38 is eliminated...
spit (cuz 20s are most likely to break my plane if I get hit)
Jug (because he won't be able to escape my jug)
51 (because his pathetic attempts to pick me have failed and now he has no bait and only two options...die or run)
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Last month I had a p-38, spit and a 109 below me all close to each other. The p38 was slightly lower. I dove on the p38 trying to take it out quickly because I knew Pawz was in it and if I got wrapped up with the spit I had no chance. Unfortunately for me I failed. I shot his plane up smoking its engine but not enough to take it down. Got wrapped up with the spit and pawz killed me. When asked about it it was a simple answer, Pawz was by far the most dangerous there. I had a good chance of getting the other two if he went down fast. If I wouldn't have known that, then it would have been the highest ac first, regardless of model type.
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38s get a raw deal in target selection it takes a special kind of sadist to fly one gotta respect someone who flys that exclusive
actually the word should be masochist.
as I only fly P38s, I'm used to being a bullet magnet. I can always run into people wiling to engage me because of my preference. :D
LtngRydr :old:
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I always go for either the biggest threat, or the plane with the lowest ENY. In that case, I'd pick the mustang first.
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None of them. I shoot the ground blow them (well, because that's THE BIGGEST threat after all :noid), then promptly introduce myself to it. :)
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I'd go for the highest one or the one who has the speed to get the highest.... unless it's a Brew. I will always pick on the brewsters first :t
This!
throw 20 Spit16's at me, HO'ing, ramming, and picking away...but for the love of god man, have some humanity, keep the uber brews away
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None of them. I shoot the ground blow them (well, because that's THE BIGGEST threat after all :noid), then promptly introduce myself to it. :)
Good one. :)
Brewsters, they are cute like a mouse and like a mouse they can do a lot of damage.
Thanks again for all the replies. Good stuff.
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Fw-190d's attract the rats like a piece of chesse. There can be 10 other cons but they go for mine like I got a target on my back. Then again the 1 ping and I'm smoking or PW kind of cheesey. :uhoh
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I'd go for the highest one or the one who has the speed to get the highest
+1 Knock out the biggest threat first then re-evaluate via SA.
SA to determine in less than a few seconds:
* How many cons are left?
* How far away are they and what is their altitude?
* What plane types are they (are they a threat given your current E and Alt)?
* How does your fuel and ammo look?
* Which way is home?
Basically standard Oswald Boelcke practices.
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As an example, when you have you have a choice of saddling up on a Mustang, Spit, P47 or P38 below you and you have a good position on all of them, which plane would you choose first? All pilots have equal skills lets say.
Tactically, I would think the choice should be taking out the plane that is the greatest threat to equalize or advance his or her's E. Real game life though most seem to choose bigger plane first. That's my take on it anyway.
Didnt read the rest of the thread, but if those choices were all under me this is the order I'd shoot for. (Let's say I'm flying my P51)
1st: Spit. If he climbs and gets Co-E with me I'm in a heap of trouble. Hes First.
2nd: P38: Lasers for guns, will out turn me and he has a bigger profile, hes next.
3rd: P47. Holds E in the vertical. Can't extend away from a good 47 pilot, at least not by diving.
Last is the P51. He's probably already gone by now but if he was a skilled pilot I'm confident enough in my flying that I could out-fly a Pony that I have an e-advantage on.
This would change as the fight progressed. If I were missing shots as I'm diving in and one of the planes was getting close to leveling out the E-advantage I had I would switch my focus to him to kill him/bleed his E.
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+1 Knock out the biggest threat first then re-evaluate via SA.
SA to determine in less than a few seconds:
* How many cons are left?
* How far away are they and what is their altitude?
* What plane types are they (are they a threat given your current E and Alt)?
* How does your fuel and ammo look?
* Which way is home?
Basically standard Oswald Boelcke practices.
That last one is the one I always screw up on. If it comes time for RTB due to fuel or ammo I frequently seem to hit the deck going the wrong way.
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I would usually go for the P38 because most of the time it's either an easy kill OR a great fight with a good stick
However if the Spit had enough E to be a threat I'd have to try a pass or two on him first.
Ignore the P51 and P47 as if they do end up attacking they will just hit the deck and 'extend' after one reversal
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I would usually go for the P38 because most of the time it's either an easy kill OR a great fight with a good stick
You admit the 38 would be a good fight, so you kill it first? Kill the others and have a 1v1 with the 38.
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thats just silly scotch
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You admit the 38 would be a good fight, so you kill it first? Kill the others and have a 1v1 with the 38.
Well, the way I see it the P38 is quite often going to be an easy kill in one pass...in a situation where I/we are outnumbered I will always try to take those opportunities to even the odds...
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I always wing up with Razor. When we run into a pack of red guys, 99% of the time they all jump on that big fat Mossie. Mind ya, he usually kills most of them, but I do get some scraps. :aok
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spit or pony first the 38 would be just after. i fly 38s alot and its not hard to get a kill on a BnZer that doesnt kill you on first pass and goes right back up. with a 38 on your 6 in a climb you arent safe from its AMAZING guns untill your 1.5K out with more E...reason for pony/spit on first 2 passes i want to have a few kills before i take my chances of missing a 38 and getting chewed up on my way back to the perch i dont see jug as a threat untill it is co-alt/E with me.