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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -tronski- on January 21, 2013, 05:49:46 PM
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Not sure if its been posted - but theres a new Tom Hanks/Steven Spielberg mini-series otw based on the book: Masters Of The Air: America’s Bomber Boys Who Fought The Air War Against Nazi Germany
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hbo-developing-third-wwii-miniseries-413632 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hbo-developing-third-wwii-miniseries-413632)
http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Air-Americas-Against-Germany/dp/0743235452 (http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Air-Americas-Against-Germany/dp/0743235452)
Tronsky
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That is a great book, (if you dont have it, get it) Miller did a superb job writing it.
Hope they do as good a job with this, as they did with some of their other project.
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This is very exciting; I hope they do as good of a job on this as they did in BoB and The Pacific. For me, nothing can ever eclipse Band of Brothers. That is some of the finest acting, directing and cinematography ever.
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Band of Brothers - boys on the ground in Europe
Pacific - marines island hopping
Bomber Boys - boys in the air over Europe
Just one more mini-series to wrap up WW2
Bob Hope and the USO girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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they should do mini series about Black Thursday.
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They need to do Tin Can Sailors, or something earlier about the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
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They need to do Tin Can Sailors, or something earlier about the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
agreed 100%
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Sounds good but it all depends on how much CGI will be in it and how it's handled. I for one think the recent crop of aviation films are spoiled by over elaborate CGI scenes which simply look fake. Brilliant eye candy though it maybe. Too many extreme angles and impossible viewpoints.
Of course real B17s are few and far between and there has to be CGI. But there's CGI which takes away from the story and there's seamless CGI which draws you in. Less is more sometimes.
Spielberg to be fair has a good track record in telling a story. Fingers crossed.
I imagine our British friends might be getting a bit excited. There has to be some filming in East Anglia and of course there's a B17 and a few Mustangs available. Could be an interesting summer.
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Are they going to mention that the British drop a few bombs as well :)
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Are they going to mention that the British drop a few bombs as well :)
If they follow Millers book, there should be alot of RAF involvement :aok
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Are they going to mention that the British drop a few bombs as well :)
Wasn't the Spice Girls a big enough British bomb? :bolt:
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Woot. :rock
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Wasn't the Spice Girls a big enough British bomb? :bolt:
I was in the Spice Girls :)
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I was in the Spice Girls :)
You must of been the little known Spice Girl known as 'Decrepit Spice'; sort of looked like Margaret Thatcher in a bikini only with less body hair. :D
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Decrepit spice :rofl
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Sounds good but it all depends on how much CGI will be in it and how it's handled. I for one think the recent crop of aviation films are spoiled by over elaborate CGI scenes which simply look fake. Brilliant eye candy though it maybe. Too many extreme angles and impossible viewpoints.
Of course real B17s are few and far between and there has to be CGI. But there's CGI which takes away from the story and there's seamless CGI which draws you in. Less is more sometimes.
Spielberg to be fair has a good track record in telling a story. Fingers crossed.
I imagine our British friends might be getting a bit excited. There has to be some filming in East Anglia and of course there's a B17 and a few Mustangs available. Could be an interesting summer.
Based on their track record you should be pretty confident that Hanks & Spielberg will go that extra mile for accuracy, and storytelling. Both BoB and the Pacific had CGI sequences that were excellent - the assault on Peleliu was absolutely outstanding in both respects. If Spielberg gave his good mate George a job on it on the otherhand - there would be cause for concern for sure already!
Tronsky
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It would be really nice if these great directors could make mini series from another side. I know the Americans played a big part in the war, but there were many players big and small.
How about a story following the naval battles in the med from the Italian or British side?
Or the early desert battles between the Brits and the Italians/Germans. The Matilda's where the king on the battle field until 88 AA was used against it. The siege of Tobruk that lasted over 200 days?
Or the desperate defense in Asia as Japan lunched their first attacks. show the Hudson flying from their fields at the last min while under MG fire after having been in action for the last 24 hours bombing and strafing ships/ landing craft and troops to slow their advance on the airfield. Then having to be used as fighters along with Warraway trainers as the Brewster Buffalo's were quickly knocked out of the air by the far Superior Zeros/ Oscars and even the older Ki-27.
There are many stories in WW2. Its a little annoying when the best movie makers restrict themselves to one view.
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Just one more mini-series to wrap up WW2
I'd love to see a mini-series about U.S. submariners in the Pacific during WWII. Just like there hasn't been a great movie about bomber pilots since Memphis Belle, there also hasn't been an outstanding flick about submariners since Das Boot. But I'm pretty excited about Bomber Boys!
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It would be really nice if these great directors could make mini series from another side. I know the Americans played a big part in the war, but there were many players big and small.
How about a story following the naval battles in the med from the Italian or British side?
Or the early desert battles between the Brits and the Italians/Germans. The Matilda's where the king on the battle field until 88 AA was used against it. The siege of Tobruk that lasted over 200 days?
Or the desperate defense in Asia as Japan lunched their first attacks. show the Hudson flying from their fields at the last min while under MG fire after having been in action for the last 24 hours bombing and strafing ships/ landing craft and troops to slow their advance on the airfield. Then having to be used as fighters along with Warraway trainers as the Brewster Buffalo's were quickly knocked out of the air by the far Superior Zeros/ Oscars and even the older Ki-27.
There are many stories in WW2. Its a little annoying when the best movie makers restrict themselves to one view.
Bollocks.
Don't watch it.
They can make their films their way, you make your's your way.
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There are many stories in WW2. Its a little annoying when the best movie makers restrict themselves to one view.
The American movie makers are arguably the biggest in the world and they are aiming the films to a certain audience; Americans. It is very risky to create a film for a foreign audience and this job belongs to the other film makers of the world.
'Flag of Our Fathers' vs 'Letters from Iwo Jima' was a great example. 'Flags' grossed more than $65 million while 'Letters' only grossed $13.7 million domestically, if it wasn't for the unexpected (but appreciated) foreign sales it would of been a bomb (the stats may be wrong, source is questionable). Strangely enough, 'Letters' actually made more money than 'Flags' and in my opinion was much more interesting as well.
I'm strange, but I in no way am indicative of the typical movie watcher within the United States. I'd even guess aside from this community that is Aces High, no one is willing to sit through 'Das Boot' and all the subtitles for the more surreal experience.
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Das Boot is awesome in German and subtitles with headphones on and lights off :)
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While I understand British complaints that American movies tend to sideline the British part in the war. The reality is that even during the war itself, Churchill and the British realised quite quickly that they were very much the junior partner alongside Stalin and Roosevelt. Fair or not that's the way it is.
British war movies had their heyday in the fifties and many excellent films were made most of which completely ignored the American contribution. So it works both ways. The reality is that there little stomach for the British verions of events even in Britain. Memphis Belle was originally supposed to be about a British bomber crews. But it was changed to American for perfectly logical commercial reasons. Another reality is that even outside of America, American movies are more popular.
As it happens, a movie about Bomber Command would likely be controversial. Even during the war there was considerable disquiet about the campaign. No less a person than Guy Gibson VC enraged 'Bomber' Harris when he made certain comments on a visit to America. It would never be really commercial even in Britain even if the budget was found. That's a pity really.
I wonder what happened to Peter Jackson's version of the Dambusters?
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The British were sidelined as the war progress into 1944, the amount of American and Allied forces was roughly equal.
The Political aspect that evolved was the main reason for the US taking more of a control of events, they knew once the initial success of the of retaking Europe that British influence was not as essential.
The complaints about the Bomber campaign during the war were only limited to those members of society that still exist today, the Liberal chattering privileged elites. (It was not considerable, those who agreed with campaign were never asked for their opinions) as is today.
How many people in the US complained about the bombing of Japan, None, and they never even had their Cities attacked.
How many people would watch a film that portrayed the British contribution to the total destruction of the Narzzies very few, unless it had vampires in it :)
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How many people would watch a film that portrayed the British contribution to the total destruction of the Narzzies very few, unless it had vampires in it :)
Hey! You just WISH you had a Prime Minister (President) that hunted and killed vampires! Lets see... Winston Churchill-Werewolf slayer'!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PNSpNvxC2TU/UGrtUVkUzFI/AAAAAAAABwU/Igt2m9ghgU8/s1600/Abraham-Lincoln-Vampire-Hunter.jpg)
(one of the most ridiculous movies ever!)
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I would like to see a mini series about a small group of Hitler Youth boys getting called up in 1940, going through training and fighting on the Eastern Front. Band of Brothers from the other side.
The Nazi's are despicable evil monsters. But their soldiers were young, dumb and crazy, sitting in holes full of mud and snow, getting bombed and shot at like everyone else. I would just like everyone to see how horrible it is that to this day the German people are forever associated with the Nazi's, and point out the fact that the only real difference between a German soldier in the Wehrmacht and a US Soldier is the uniform he wears and the language he speaks. Each one was conditioned by his country to believe his war was just, and as a result, was stuck in a hole miles from home getting bombed, with crap food, and just each other for company.
It would be far more interesting than watching the same, USA saves the day story every single time I turn on the television.
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Das Boot is awesome in German and subtitles with headphones on and lights off :)
Agreed. I've had the superbit DVD since they released it. I don't think
I've made it much more than twenty minutes into the film
watching it in English. It loses--a lot imo.
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They need to do Tin Can Sailors, or something earlier about the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
I agree. The Battle off Samar was the single greatest US naval victory in any war. The First battle of Guadalcanal was probably the worst defeat.
I know Jim Hornfischer (he's a Facebook friend), the author of Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors which chronicles this fight, and Neptune's Inferno, which is a similar treatment of the engagements off of Guadalcanal. To my knowledge, no one has approached Jim to negotiate movie rights, but I'll ask him.
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Bollocks.
Don't watch it.
They can make their films their way, you make your's your way.
Who said I did not want to watch it? All I asked is that the people who have shown themselves to be good at making WWII movies/mini series work on some stories from other sides and/or points of view.
I watch BoB and most of the Pacific and I liked them, is there something wrong wanting a different take?
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What was TV series about civil war ironclads?
It was very good for a tv series :)
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I agree. The Battle off Samar was the single greatest US naval victory in any war. The First battle of Guadalcanal was probably the worst defeat.
I know Jim Hornfischer (he's a Facebook friend), the author of Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors which chronicles this fight, and Neptune's Inferno, which is a similar treatment of the engagements off of Guadalcanal. To my knowledge, no one has approached Jim to negotiate movie rights, but I'll ask him.
By far one of my favorite authors. I actually had the pleasure of asking him a question regarding Neptune's Inferno when he was giving an overview / lecture on the book at the Pritzker Military Library. He is truly an American treasure in chronicling what these guys went thru.
I saw a little blurb written about him stating that he is doing for the Navy what Stephen Ambrose did for the Army. Must say i agree whole heartedly
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While I understand British complaints that American movies tend to sideline the British part in the war. The reality is that even during the war itself, Churchill and the British realised quite quickly that they were very much the junior partner alongside Stalin and Roosevelt. Fair or not that's the way it is.
British war movies had their heyday in the fifties and many excellent films were made most of which completely ignored the American contribution. So it works both ways. The reality is that there little stomach for the British verions of events even in Britain. Memphis Belle was originally supposed to be about a British bomber crews. But it was changed to American for perfectly logical commercial reasons. Another reality is that even outside of America, American movies are more popular.
As it happens, a movie about Bomber Command would likely be controversial. Even during the war there was considerable disquiet about the campaign. No less a person than Guy Gibson VC enraged 'Bomber' Harris when he made certain comments on a visit to America. It would never be really commercial even in Britain even if the budget was found. That's a pity really.
I wonder what happened to Peter Jackson's version of the Dambusters?
By quite quickly, you must mean after 2 years of fighting alone whilst the Russians desperately tried to be good bedfellows with the Nazi's and the U.S dragged their feet and waited to see what would happen? The Russians were a bit tied up to do anything other than defend the Motherland and it wasn't until November 1942 that the tide of war in Russia turned with the relief of Stalingrad. They were solely employed in home defence whilst the "junior partner" was fighting in the air over Britain and France, in North Africa, Malta, the Middle East, the Pacific and on the high seas.
Junior partner indeed :old:
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:)
I got my new pc Danny i will be flying on friday and all day Saturday.
How is Mary doing by the way Danny :)
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I got my new pc Danny i will be flying on friday and all day Saturday.
How is Mary doing by the way Danny :)
Hurrah!
She's a slaaaag :)
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By quite quickly, you must mean after 2 years of fighting alone whilst the Russians desperately tried to be good bedfellows with the Nazi's and the U.S dragged their feet and waited to see what would happen? The Russians were a bit tied up to do anything other than defend the Motherland and it wasn't until November 1942 that the tide of war in Russia turned with the relief of Stalingrad. They were solely employed in home defence whilst the "junior partner" was fighting in the air over Britain and France, in North Africa, Malta, the Middle East, the Pacific and on the high seas.
Junior partner indeed :old:
Sorry but yes it did take about two years while Britain did most of hard work and the dying. It is a bitter pill to swallow. But it's no real secret and you know full well that some of the comments on this thread in relation to mentioning the British contribution and the wider criticisms of movies like Saving Private Ryan should that it's still a sore point that Britain's part in the war is often underestimated even in Britain itself.
It is really long overdue for a Bomber Command movie. They got the memorial finally last year. Time for a film tribute. They can even make Harris that evil bomber as long as it celebrates the aircrew.
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Who said I did not want to watch it? All I asked is that the people who have shown themselves to be good at making WWII movies/mini series work on some stories from other sides and/or points of view.
I watch BoB and most of the Pacific and I liked them, is there something wrong wanting a different take?
You made a statement that it annoyed you. Usually people have a tendency to not do things that annoy them, which is as good as saying that you don't want to watch it.
I will go out on a limb and say that whizzing on an electric fence and having a colonoscopy with a cactus are annoying. That being said, you can rest assured that I wouldn't want to do either.
See how that works?
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What was TV series about civil war ironclads?
It was very good for a tv series
Are you serious? That sounds awesome! Do you (or anyone else) remember the name of that series?
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Sorry but yes it did take about two years while Britain did most of hard work and the dying. It is a bitter pill to swallow. But it's no real secret and you know full well that some of the comments on this thread in relation to mentioning the British contribution and the wider criticisms of movies like Saving Private Ryan should that it's still a sore point that Britain's part in the war is often underestimated even in Britain itself.
It is really long overdue for a Bomber Command movie. They got the memorial finally last year. Time for a film tribute. They can even make Harris that evil bomber as long as it celebrates the aircrew.
Harris was a hero he contributed to the destruction of a culture that sunken the depths of depravity :old:
Britain were carpet bombed by the orders of Goring who boasted he would Destroy London. :old:
He was to blame :old:
He was also a fat knaker as well :rofl
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You made a statement that it annoyed you. Usually people have a tendency to not do things that annoy them, which is as good as saying that you don't want to watch it.
I will go out on a limb and say that whizzing on an electric fence and having a colonoscopy with a cactus are annoying. That being said, you can rest assured that I wouldn't want to do either.
See how that works?
Do you watch sports? does an aspect of it i.e. the refs, a rule or a team annoy you yet you still love the game? I am sure somethings in AH annoying to you but you keep playing? See how this works?
The negatives do not out weigh your enjoyment of the medium as a whole, therefore you keep watching/playing and wishing for some things to change.
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agreed 100%
That would be awesome.
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I would like to see a mini series about a small group of Hitler Youth boys getting called up in 1940, going through training and fighting on the Eastern Front. Band of Brothers from the other side.
The Nazi's are despicable evil monsters. But their soldiers were young, dumb and crazy, sitting in holes full of mud and snow, getting bombed and shot at like everyone else. I would just like everyone to see how horrible it is that to this day the German people are forever associated with the Nazi's, and point out the fact that the only real difference between a German soldier in the Wehrmacht and a US Soldier is the uniform he wears and the language he speaks. Each one was conditioned by his country to believe his war was just, and as a result, was stuck in a hole miles from home getting bombed, with crap food, and just each other for company.
It would be far more interesting than watching the same, USA saves the day story every single time I turn on the television.
Then the British need to make the movie, not wait on somebody else to do it for them and complain if it doesn't happen. Band of Brothers wasn't meant to be a rah rah USA series it was meant as tribute to the soldiers of the 506th. I don't recall any episode downplaying the role or being derogatory towards British forces in WWII. The closest thing I've seen to a war movie out of the UK recently was..
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13000000/Shaun-of-the-Dead-shaun-of-the-dead-13044588-850-360.jpg)
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^ "The Dreaded Red X" - a story of how a scarlet letter found meaning.
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I read a article that the producers of "The Longest Day" had to go to Lord Mountbatton of Burma to get more British input in the production. :old:
They will not be any films made in Britain praising the efforts of its contribution of its Military in WWII because the film industry is not patriotic, they are willing to make a film about a "Horse" though that was in WWI :old:
The Germans made "Das Boot" and "Downfall"
The British made a film called "Billy Elliot" about a working class boy who defies his ignorant father and goes on to be a ballet dancer :)
The new "Lincoln" film looks good, is a sequel to the vampire one?
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By far one of my favorite authors. I actually had the pleasure of asking him a question regarding Neptune's Inferno when he was giving an overview / lecture on the book at the Pritzker Military Library. He is truly an American treasure in chronicling what these guys went thru.
I saw a little blurb written about him stating that he is doing for the Navy what Stephen Ambrose did for the Army. Must say i agree whole heartedly
I love his work as well. Thinking about it interns of movies I'd consider Ship of Ghosts to be the easiest to make a movie about. One ship and crew that deals with prewar to the end. There are definitely people to get invested in via their stories.
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Then the British need to make the movie, not wait on somebody else to do it for them and complain if it doesn't happen. Band of Brothers wasn't meant to be a rah rah USA series it was meant as tribute to the soldiers of the 506th. I don't recall any episode downplaying the role or being derogatory towards British forces in WWII. The closest thing I've seen to a war movie out of the UK recently was..
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13000000/Shaun-of-the-Dead-shaun-of-the-dead-13044588-850-360.jpg)
Other than the dippy tank commander who said, in a typical Oxbridge plummy accent " I say, if one can't see the blighter, then how the bally heck would one shoot him?" :rolleyes:
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Then the British need to make the movie, not wait on somebody else to do it for them and complain if it doesn't happen. Band of Brothers wasn't meant to be a rah rah USA series it was meant as tribute to the soldiers of the 506th. I don't recall any episode downplaying the role or being derogatory towards British forces in WWII. The closest thing I've seen to a war movie out of the UK recently was..
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13000000/Shaun-of-the-Dead-shaun-of-the-dead-13044588-850-360.jpg)
Other than the dippy tank commander who said, in a typical Oxbridge plummy accent " I say, if one can't see the blighter, then how the bally heck would one shoot him?" :rolleyes:
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Other than the dippy tank commander who said, in a typical Oxbridge plummy accent " I say, if one can't see the blighter, then how the bally heck would one shoot him?" :rolleyes:
I'd rather have the Tank Commander than Lt Dike.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxlufbtYvE1qa51o3o1_500.gif)
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Thanks for the recommendation of : Masters Of The Air: America’s Bomber Boys Who Fought The Air War Against Nazi Germany
I just finished reading it.
Great book!
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I would like to see a mini series about a small group of Hitler Youth boys getting called up in 1940, going through training and fighting on the Eastern Front. Band of Brothers from the other side.
The Nazi's are despicable evil monsters. But their soldiers were young, dumb and crazy, sitting in holes full of mud and snow, getting bombed and shot at like everyone else. I would just like everyone to see how horrible it is that to this day the German people are forever associated with the Nazi's, and point out the fact that the only real difference between a German soldier in the Wehrmacht and a US Soldier is the uniform he wears and the language he speaks. Each one was conditioned by his country to believe his war was just, and as a result, was stuck in a hole miles from home getting bombed, with crap food, and just each other for company.
It would be far more interesting than watching the same, USA saves the day story every single time I turn on the television.
Better suggestion.
At the end of the war many American veterans who fought in several campaigns against the Germans found of all the places they had fought and been. The people they found they had the most in common with were int he end the Germans themselves.
Take two units. One German, one American Tell the story of these units right from training and through the war. Tell the story in such a way where the audience develops a love for the men of each side. Take them through the war Ratcheting up the action until the final climatic scene where the two beloved units end up facing each other on the battlefield and try to kill one another
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"The people they found they had the most in common with were int he end the Germans themselves."
I have read stories from American vets who were in Italy and France. In so many words they said Italy and France were a mess. Roads impassable from bomb damage, no electricity or running water...basic services did not exist.
They then fight there way into Germany and many were amazed at the good condition of a country that had undergone years of bombing. What they really appreciated were toilets in almost all the urban homes with toilet paper!
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But did they have cold beer?
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"The people they found they had the most in common with were int he end the Germans themselves."
I have read stories from American vets who were in Italy and France. In so many words they said Italy and France were a mess. Roads impassable from bomb damage, no electricity or running water...basic services did not exist.
They then fight there way into Germany and many were amazed at the good condition of a country that had undergone years of bombing. What they really appreciated were toilets in almost all the urban homes with toilet paper!
LOL I've read stories where their descriptions if Italy, France and their people were, shall we say. A lot less complimentary then that.
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WW2 has so many epic stories that would be awesome movies.
Just one I'd like to see:
A Panzer platoon and it's commander
.. his men, his machine, all the BS they had to wade thru just to survive.
Poland to the end.
Any major battle ..from any of the major players viewpoints.
The tech we have avalable now would enable an awesome story-telling experience.
With a mini-series you can delve into much more of the story ..the preliminary conditions that setup the battle, all the side-stories,
.. the event itself, what happened afterward.. there is a lot of history to draw on.
The list I'd like to see would cover pages.
-Frank aka GE
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One of the main characters is from El Dorado, a town here in Arkansas not too far from me (have to go there for movie dates). I can't remember from the book, but I think they had some training at Adams Field, what is now Little Rock National Airport. If they film here in the state, I'd drive over and audition as an extra in a heartbeat. :x
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Margaret Thatcher in a bikini only with less body hair.
Rosie O Donnel in a thong :O
I just lost my lunch
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So long as George Lucas has nothing to do with it.
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This is going to be good.
I used to wonder how Tom Hanks was so good at dong WW2 films. This article says that he forces house guests to play World War 2 with him for hours on end.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tom-hanks-forces-houseguests-to-play-world-war-ii,17296/
(http://media.theonion.com/images/articles/article/17296/hanks_large.jpg)
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One of the main characters is from El Dorado, a town here in Arkansas not too far from me (have to go there for movie dates). I can't remember from the book, but I think they had some training at Adams Field, what is now Little Rock National Airport. If they film here in the state, I'd drive over and audition as an extra in a heartbeat. :x
Drake field in Fayetteville was a training field during ww2 as well. They still have an all wood hangar built during that time that currently houses the Arkansas Aviation Museum. If you ever come up this way you should check it out.
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Drake field in Fayetteville was a training field during ww2 as well. They still have an all wood hangar built during that time that currently houses the Arkansas Aviation Museum. If you ever come up this way you should check it out.
Nevermind, I got confused with a book I read To Kingdom Come by Robert Mrazek. Another book titled The Bomber Boys by Travis Ayres also mentions southern Arkansas. Master of the Air does not. <Sigh>, I would've thought it epic just to go watch them shoot a scene.
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I used to wonder how Tom Hanks was so good at dong WW2 films.
Jokes aside, Tom Hanks has done a lot to help the WW2 experiences and veterans get the recognition they deserve. His exposure was instrumental in the building of the National WW2 memorial and the WW2 museum in New Orleans. If he could only drop some of the political nonsense...
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Bah! Hanks/Speilberg just stole a bunch of AH videos off YouTube, taped em together & called it their new mini-series. :old:
Lots of CGI or not, I would LOVE to see a movie/mini-series about Kursk. Talk about action packed! :rock
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Lots of CGI or not, I would LOVE to see a movie/mini-series about Kursk. Talk about action packed! :rock
Ever seen the German movie Stalingrad? It's a good one. I think one of those huge battles would be great for a miniseries.