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Title: On the Next Vote
Post by: HighTone on February 03, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
In hopes that one day HTC will give us another chance to vote, and with greater hope that my fellow Aces Highers won't blow that vote, I would like to purpose the following.


Next time a vote comes up I would like to see...

Anyone who is on the skinning team (or is a Skinner) gets 3 votes.

All CM's get 3 votes

All players that have had an active account for more than eight years get 2 votes.

All the rest of us get one 1 vote.


I would like to see this because I feel these players who are skinners, CM's, and long standing pilots have put the most into the game over the years and I feel have a better understanding of what we need in the future.

Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: waystin2 on February 03, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
In hopes that one day HTC will give us another chance to vote, and with greater hope that my fellow Aces Highers won't blow that vote, I would like to purpose the following.


Next time a vote comes up I would like to see...

Anyone who is on the skinning team (or is a Skinner) gets 3 votes.

All CM's get 3 votes

All players that have had an active account for more than eight years get 2 votes.

All the rest of us get one 1 vote.


I would like to see this because I feel these players who are skinners, CM's, and long standing pilots have put the most into the game over the years and I feel have a better understanding of what we need in the future.



What about AVA staff members?  Say 5 votes, maybe?
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Lusche on February 03, 2013, 10:54:43 AM
And when it's still the 'wrong' plane that wins, you will come up with new voting rules again...  ;)
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: tuton25 on February 03, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
HE-111 and JU-52 is my vote
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Karnak on February 03, 2013, 11:37:31 AM
My vote would depend on what ends up on the list.

Last vote HTC did rig it by not putting any American aircraft on the list.  If the A-26 is on the next list, should there be one, it will almost certainly win unless, perhaps, the SB2C Helldiver divides the vote enough for something like the Yak-3 to slip through or the F7F or F8F is on the list.

What I would do in HTC's position is go ahead and put the A-26 into the aircraft to be added queue and then do another list of non-American aircraft to vote for. This way fans of the A-26s or American metal still get a toy and the vote doesn't have a preordained winner.

Suggested list:

Beaufighter
G.55
He111
J2M
Ju188
Ki-43
SM.79
Tu-2
Wellington
Yak-3
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Megalodon on February 03, 2013, 12:05:10 PM
My vote would depend on what ends up on the list.

Last vote HTC did rig it by not putting any American aircraft on the list.  If the A-26 is on the next list, should there be one, it will almost certainly win unless, perhaps, the SB2C Helldiver divides the vote enough for something like the Yak-3 to slip through or the F7F or F8F is on the list.

What I would do in HTC's position is go ahead and put the A-26 into the aircraft to be added queue and then do another list of non-American aircraft to vote for. This way fans of the A-26s or American metal still get a toy and the vote doesn't have a preordained winner.

Suggested list:

Beaufighter
G.55
He111
J2M
Ju188
Ki-43
SM.79
Tu-2
Wellington
Yak-3

All those country's are all ready in the game.... cept maybe the Aussie Dap Beaufighter
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: HighTone on February 03, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
What about AVA staff members?  Say 5 votes, maybe?

Sorry I missed that.

AvA staff members get 3 votes  :rock
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Karnak on February 03, 2013, 12:52:23 PM
All those country's are all ready in the game.... cept maybe the Aussie Dap Beaufighter
Sorry, but no native Aussie aircraft merits addition before any of those, or a number of French aircraft.  The Aussie's were major contributors to Allied victory, but they did it in equipment built by the Americans and British.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: EagleDNY on February 03, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Perhaps another voting option might be to list 5 choices, and have people rank them in order 1 to 5 as which one they want to see next.   1st choice = 5 points, 2nd choice = 4 points and so on - just add up the points score and that will give you a better measure of relative popularity of plane vs plane over the entire user base.

I've seen this voting method done and it works well when you have a lot of people that have differing views, and maybe a "favorite" that they vote for all the time regardless of other choices.

$.02
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Megalodon on February 03, 2013, 02:10:20 PM
Sorry, but no native Aussie aircraft merits addition before any of those, or a number of French aircraft.  The Aussie's were major contributors to Allied victory, but they did it in equipment built by the Americans and British.

 Sorry.... but Yes Aussie aircraft! Just because you don't find the fight as interesting at the time in that part of the world, they didn't shoot as many folks, doesn't mean it wouldn't be good for the game. They built there own plane, squad strengths, bombed, strafed, re-coned, marked positions, and lead men and machines.  Their country is not represented in this game and should be. The Boomerang would be a great addition to the game.

The French .... Why add the French , I mean just because they were one of the 1st country's in the war, had some of the 1st air battles with the Germans,  that goes for nothing. They don't deserve anything. Right?
It's well past time to include them in the game with a French plane. Not some convoluted way to add another U.S. plane. the D-520 matches to the early canopy E-3 or E-4 time wize.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/France_zps16f4596b.jpg)

We have a Spit1,
We have the E-4

Where is the D-520?
 

We even have the I-16 <1934-42> and the B-239 <42 junk the U.S. got rid of> for gods sake.

Why not just add the 2 country's, 1 update ...1 ..."Boom ..Done" and then get back to arguing which planes to add to the existing country's already in the game.

Belligerence in Power,
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: HawkerMKII on February 03, 2013, 02:12:56 PM
My vote would depend on what ends up on the list.

Last vote HTC did rig it by not putting any American aircraft on the list.  If the A-26 is on the next list, should there be one, it will almost certainly win unless, perhaps, the SB2C Helldiver divides the vote enough for something like the Yak-3 to slip through or the F7F or F8F is on the list.

What I would do in HTC's position is go ahead and put the A-26 into the aircraft to be added queue and then do another list of non-American aircraft to vote for. This way fans of the A-26s or American metal still get a toy and the vote doesn't have a preordained winner.

Suggested list:

Beaufighter
G.55
He111
J2M
Ju188
Ki-43
SM.79
Tu-2
Wellington
Yak-3

or fix what we have???? :bhead
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Karnak on February 03, 2013, 02:26:19 PM
<stuff>
That has nothing to do with what I said.  You need to try to understand what people write, even when it isn't what you want to hear.

Yes, the Boomerang would be superior to the Spitfire Mk I and Bf109E-4 in many ways.  However, unlike the Spitfire Mk I and Bf109E-4, the Boomerang played a very minor role in WWII.  It is the second thing that matters here, not the first.  The Australians that contributed in the air flew in C-47s, P-40s, Beaufighters, P-51s, Mosquitos, Lancasters, F4Us, Hurricanes, Tempests, Spitfires and Typhoons. Compared to the Australians flying those aircraft the Australians who flew the Boomerang were small in number and small in contribution.
or fix what we have???? :bhead
That is a separate thing.  HTC has not ceased adding new units as they update older graphics models. There is no reason to expect that to change.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Megalodon on February 03, 2013, 02:31:24 PM
That has nothing to do with what I said.  You need to try to understand what people write, even when it isn't what you want to hear.

Stuff

 I wasn't comparing the Boomerang to the spit or the e-4 read comprehension fail.

I don't agree with you ON HOW, WHY OR REASON to add a plane to the game. Your are not right.... your Wrong!

thats what you need to understand,
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Karnak on February 03, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
I wasn't comparing the Boomerang to the spit or the e-4 read comprehension fail.

I don't agree with you ON HOW, WHY OR REASON to add a plane to the game. Your are not right.... your Wrong!

thats what you need to understand,
Your personal wants don't make it correct.  When I post a list like I did earlier I don't post my personal wants, I post what I think is best for the game from the overall perspective.  My personal want list looks very, very different.

I understand you really, really, really want the Boomerang for your own reasons.  That doesn't make it a good addition for the game. The world is not, in fact, our cupcake.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Megalodon on February 04, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
Your personal wants don't make it correct.   I post what I think is best for the game from MY overall perspective.  
I understand you really, really, really want the Boomerang for your own reasons.  That doesn't make it a good addition for the game. The world is not, in fact, our cupcake.

 Well Dr. Karnak you failed again... I don't have a personal want list. I have a few skins I would like but that's it. I am glad to help when possible. I post for the same reason you do.

I believe adding the 2 countries grows the game's base. I would like to see more countries that participated  like Poland, Hungary, Romania, China added as well ...whether they had a ton of planes/tanks or not. They were there they participated and adding them grows the potential player base.  

Your hierarchic  tier.... because the planes should be garbage..... is getting old.

 Adding more plane/tanks to countries already in game does not make the base, the interest in the game, grow.  I can tell you many things that would be good for the game from my perspective ... just as you have done from yours.

I think having the early 51's would be good for the game and would most likely garnish more interest for the game than that list you have there.

Adding new country's grows the player base ....imho. :aok
 :cheers:
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: bustr on February 04, 2013, 05:39:56 PM

Suggested list:

Beaufighter
G.55
He111
J2M
Ju188
Ki-43
SM.79
Tu-2
Wellington
Yak-3

This is a good realistic short list from experience by Karnak.

It would be fantastic to have the Yak3 along with the Yak family cockpits and graphics updated. But, I'm betting the Ki43 would become one of those uber irritating ankle biters like the Brewster while spawning adnausium of anti Ki43 posts in these forums. I'd hate to see what happens if the Gladiator was released. Something to harass Brewsters with I bet. Waaaa...the Gladiator has too many wings. It couldn't catch the Brewster in real life in a dive..waaaaaa.

Fighter
G55 {3}
Yak3 {2}
Ki43 {1}
J2M {4}

Attacker
Beaufighter {1}
Tu-2 {2}

Medium Bomber
Wellington {3}
He111 {1}
Ju188 {4}
SM.79 {2}
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 04, 2013, 08:57:40 PM
IMO, the most biggest things we could get, even if they aren't all truely 'additions':

1) update to ordnance selection system, more options. The 190F-8 has something like 1/4-1/3rd its historical options. It could also lug around 2x 250kg bombs (or maybe even 500kgers, nobody is 100% sure), 1000kg AP bomb, torpedo, 8x 50kg bombs, etc. The P-38 is missing some flexibility, as is the F4U IIRC.

3) Add Yak-7

2) Split the 190A-8 into early and late variants.

4) Add Ki-43

5) Add Wellington

6) Add the 109E-7, which can serve as a near perfect stand in for later 109E-4s, and high-altitude variants of the early E-4.

That should cover us to mid 2014 at least.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: uptown on February 04, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
Yaks and Migs  :banana:
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Delirium on February 05, 2013, 01:30:31 PM
HTC should never have another voting session

No one likes the end result and frankly the community, as a whole, isn't smart enough to decide. As Hitech said himself, sometimes the worst thing you can do is give the customer what they want.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Lusche on February 05, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
No one likes the end result and frankly the community, as a whole, isn't smart enough to decide. As Hitech said himself, sometimes the worst thing you can do is give the customer what they want.


No one? More like "not a selected few on the BBS" ;)

I for one was happy with the results of the past two votes, even though my initial choices never won, we still got two great additions that I am flying quite a lot. And by looking at the usage stats, I'm not the only one :)

And as far as I recall, we never had a totally free choicer either. We only were able to cast our vote on planes which HTC deemd to be worthwhile additions to Aces High.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: LCADolby on February 05, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
As a film maker, I'd like 1 and a half votes  :old:
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Wmaker on February 05, 2013, 02:18:23 PM
I'm betting the Ki43 would become one of those uber irritating ankle biters like the Brewster while spawning adnausium of anti Ki43 posts in these forums.

Anyone who flies faster late war fighters and has constant problems with earlier more maneuverable fighter needs a look in the mirror. Whiners will whine, that won't change. Hopefully KI-43 gets added soon. It is the biggest historical gap in the fighter plane set along with Yak-1 family.


I'd hate to see what happens if the Gladiator was released. Something to harass Brewsters with I bet. Waaaa...the Gladiator has too many wings. It couldn't catch the Brewster in real life in a dive..waaaaaa.

I find it hard to believe that something that is so slow, poorly armed and which has such a slow roll rate would cause much trouble. And it wouldn't catch anything in dive in AH either. Fixed pitch prop alone makes sure of that.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Tilt on February 05, 2013, 02:43:12 PM
Yak1b  (***)
Yak7B  (*)
Yak9D  (**)
Yak9T  (**)
Yak3    (***)
Yak9U  (**)

Pe-2 (FT)
Tu-2S
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Bruv119 on February 05, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
meteor x3   :D
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 05, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Yak1b  (***)
Yak7B  (*)
Yak9D  (**)
Yak9T  (**)
Yak3    (***)
Yak9U  (**)

Pe-2 (FT)
Tu-2S

Like 90%of that list isn't needed, or high on the priority list.

Cut the 1B, the 9D, the Yak 3, and the Pe 2, and you might slip that list in above more ordnance options in terms of priority.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Wmaker on February 06, 2013, 06:43:16 AM
Like 90%of that list isn't needed, or high on the priority list.

Cut the 1B, the 9D, the Yak 3, and the Pe 2, and you might slip that list in above more ordnance options in terms of priority.

Heh, Pe-2 was the most important Soviet bomber in the war. There isn't a single proper Soviet bomber in the game. Il-2 is a slow ground attack aircraft. Pe-2 may not be high on your priority list but it had a huge significance when looking at eastern front's air war.

Yaks are also very significant. Not having a single example of the Yak-1/3 -line is like not having a single P-38 in the USAAF plane set. ~8700 Yak-1s were produced.

The only example of early eastern front right now is the I-16. Soviet plane set is sorely lacking units.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: R 105 on February 06, 2013, 09:27:24 AM
HTC should never have another voting session

No one likes the end result and frankly the community, as a whole, isn't smart enough to decide. As Hitech said himself, sometimes the worst thing you can do is give the customer what they want.

There is a lot to be said about for this. Afterall one only needs to look at Washington D.C. if you think voting makes you smart. Voting in some cases is like giving a loaded gun to a monkey.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: icepac on February 06, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
In order.........

Ki43

Beaufighter

He111 or Do17

PE2

Mig3...............3100 built.

KI44........before considering J2M.

Yak7...............6399 built but it is similar to yak9 which is already in game.

I185................only a problem for the brewsters if aren't on the same side.


Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: BuckShot on February 06, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
HTC should never have another voting session

No one likes the end result and frankly the community, as a whole, isn't smart enough to decide. As Hitech said himself, sometimes the worst thing you can do is give the customer what they want.

Kind of like the U.S.A?
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: perdue3 on February 06, 2013, 03:37:35 PM
In hopes that one day HTC will give us another chance to vote, and with greater hope that my fellow Aces Highers won't blow that vote, I would like to purpose the following.


Next time a vote comes up I would like to see...

Anyone who is on the skinning team (or is a Skinner) gets 3 votes.

All CM's get 3 votes

All players that have had an active account for more than eight years get 2 votes.

All the rest of us get one 1 vote.


I would like to see this because I feel these players who are skinners, CM's, and long standing pilots have put the most into the game over the years and I feel have a better understanding of what we need in the future.



You are kidding right? Why give them anything more than they already have. I know where you are going with the CM bit. They will vote for the planes we need for events...in the end they are an individual. They will do what they want just as everyone else does.

How about FSO CO's? Give them 5 votes.

Or those who have flown Scenarios for 5 years+? Give them 3 for that alone.



Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: kilo2 on February 06, 2013, 04:40:05 PM
Last few votes my first choice didn't make it but I was happy with the outcome.

Beaufighter did not make it I know many people were upset by that.

410 was a great addition and is fun to mess around with.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: perdue3 on February 06, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
He 111
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: F77 on February 06, 2013, 06:04:10 PM
May as well add my shilling's worth, if you guys don't mind...

Fairey Swordfish - had a massive impact on the war, ultimately the sole reason the US entered the war.  The attack on Taranto harbour from squadrons launched from HMS Illustrious holed up the Italian Navy in harbour and inspired the Japanese to try the same at Pearl Harbour.  Low and slow, and yes a biplane, but I'd have a pop at a fleet with this.
Gloster Meteor - The first and only allied jet aircraft to see service, such a travisty not to since we have the 262
Halifax and Wellingtons - because they are so iconic - and none survive in anything approaching intact. (yes - would love to see the Lancaster updated with more curves too)
Short Sunderland - a heavy bomber, heavily armed, on water!

Love everything already there and I'll be the last to complain.

Regards,

F77
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 06, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
Heh, Pe-2 was the most important Soviet bomber in the war. There isn't a single proper Soviet bomber in the game. Il-2 is a slow ground attack aircraft. Pe-2 may not be high on your priority list but it had a huge significance when looking at eastern front's air war.

Yaks are also very significant. Not having a single example of the Yak-1/3 -line is like not having a single P-38 in the USAAF plane set. ~8700 Yak-1s were produced.

The only example of early eastern front right now is the I-16. Soviet plane set is sorely lacking units.

Yak 7 is more important than either other Yak, at least for aces High.

And well use a Tu 2 more, so yeah....
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Tilt on February 07, 2013, 04:06:16 AM
Yak 7 is more important than either other Yak, at least for aces High.

And well use a Tu 2 more, so yeah....

You give your opinion like it's a fact ...when it is, actually just your opinion.

My opinion is that we could condense the Yak range to just 3 air frames

Yak1b, Yak9 T/M/U, Yak3 and span the complete GPW with relevant ac.

For me the Yak9U is a result of being able to use one 3d graphic for  two almost identical air frames. It was simply efficient to add it at the outset of the development work in AH1. We have the flight model so its still efficient to keep it, but it is not representative of the Yak range any more than a Ta152 is representative of the FW190 range.

Juat as HTC have expanded and developed the

Spitfire
Hurricane
Bf109
Fw 190
P40
P47
P38

The time has come to expand the Yak range IMO........as per the above ac the 3d model has to be totally refreshed. Further the Yak9T/U flight models may as per the Hurricane require some tinkering.

Given this, and the decision to address this aged AH ac, then the most efficient method of attacking this (IMO) to give us early/mid and end war Yaks would be to ignore the Yak7 and the Yak9D which would be a pity but I would have to admit that the later Yak9M could stand in for these without any gain in advantage in any event...........It would be called a generic Yak9 and have either 37mm or 20mm nose cannon. Albeit with the long nose .

The same ac frame would be used for the Yak9U.

The Yak1b and Yak3 are also very similar in air frame. (the Yak3 has slightly shorter wings.....and that clear front  cockpit shield)

Yak1b August 42 to early 44, Stanligrad, Kursk,
Yak9  May43 to Oct 44 Kursk, Bagration,
Yak3 May 44 to thru45 Bagration, Berlin, Manchuria
Yak9U Dec44 to thru 45 Berlin, Manchuria (maybe)

Given a choice bewteen the Yak3 and the Yak9U I would choose the Yak3 for many reasons...but actually as we see with other models...... there does not have to be a choice.......... once it is decided the Yak range is due for updating from the present decade old model then a modest range of 2.5/3 airfames will meet most of the SE and MA needs.

Of course if HTC could also throw in a Yak7 (Stalingrad) and or Yak7b (Kursk) you would find me cheering from the roof tops.

Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: RotBaron on February 07, 2013, 04:22:05 AM

Suggested list:

Beaufighter
G.55
He111
J2M
Ju188
Ki-43
SM.79
Tu-2
Wellington
Yak-3


J2M  :pray
 
Your list is  :aok :aok

 :salute
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: icepac on February 07, 2013, 06:49:01 AM
I forgot to mention the LI2 which is a russian licensed version of the C47 that has defensive guns.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: hitech on February 07, 2013, 09:44:02 AM
No one likes the end result and frankly the community, as a whole, isn't smart enough to decide. As Hitech said himself, sometimes the worst thing you can do is give the customer what they want.

I have never ever said what you state. In fact I always state exactly the opposite.

I have said many time give the customer what he WANTS not what he ask for.

HiTech
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: cobia38 on February 07, 2013, 11:10:46 AM
I have never ever said what you state. In fact I always state exactly the opposite.

I have said many time give the customer what he WANTS not what he ask for.

HiTech
 

 i want a A-26 please :banana:
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: morfiend on February 07, 2013, 04:17:39 PM
 

 i want a A-26 please :banana:


 Cobi,if HTC put the A26 in they`d need to hire another employee just to make 50 cal bullets to keep up with your usage!!!! :devil    Wouldnt you rather have the 20mm`s on your A20 instead,there`s plenty of extra 20mm rounds! :rofl :rofl :rofl


    :salute
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Karnak on February 07, 2013, 04:53:57 PM

 Cobi,if HTC put the A26 in they`d need to hire another employee just to make 50 cal bullets to keep up with your usage!!!! :devil    Wouldnt you rather have the 20mm`s on your A20 instead,there`s plenty of extra 20mm rounds! :rofl :rofl :rofl


    :salute
I doubt he'd stick with the A-26 for long.  It simply won't be as good as the A-20G for what he wants to do with it and it is likely to be coupled with a "kill me" perk price.
Title: Re: On the Next Vote
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 07, 2013, 06:13:58 PM
I doubt he'd stick with the A-26 for long.  It simply won't be as good as the A-20G for what he wants to do with it and it is likely to be coupled with a "kill me" perk price.

It will be one of those planes that performed better in AH than it did in real life, like the A-20G.

ack-ack