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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ToeTag on February 06, 2013, 10:15:14 AM
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I have a 2000 GMC 2500 SD sierra. About a year ago I had the fuel pump replaced and the car has worked fine since then. Two days ago I tried to start the car and it would try to turn over but no combustion and there for no starting. I have a remote start and tried that and it again attempted to turn over but the same result. I had the car towed to a shop and they said that they got a couple of codes off the computer that indicated the ignition switch and or that a loose / old worn key was the culprit. They ordered a new key through the dealer with out my consent and told me that it would be 600.00 bucks with the key and new ignition. He did not know that there was a remote or key less starter on the car. When I explained this to him he was kind of taken aback and said he would look into the issue further. My question is does the remote start by pass the ignition issue that he claims was the problem? If it does what is most likely the issue with it not starting. Sounds like a loose or spotty connection to the fuel pump to me.
Thanks TOE
Quick edit: The problem is intermittent...It will work fine for days and then no boom boom. Try it again in an hour and it works fine.
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paging CAP
can CAP come to the office please :old:
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Usually there is a second key in the remote starter control module to "fool" the original security system. Then again usually if key is not recognised car should not turn over. There is not enough info.
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Yo CAP, please pick up the white paging phone for a message. :D
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I have a 2000 GMC 2500 SD sierra. About a year ago I had the fuel pump replaced and the car has worked fine since then. Two days ago I tried to start the car and it would try to turn over but no combustion and there for no starting. I have a remote start and tried that and it again attempted to turn over but the same result. I had the car towed to a shop and they said that they got a couple of codes off the computer that indicated the ignition switch and or that a loose / old worn key was the culprit. They ordered a new key through the dealer with out my consent and told me that it would be 600.00 bucks with the key and new ignition. He did not know that there was a remote or key less starter on the car. When I explained this to him he was kind of taken aback and said he would look into the issue further. My question is does the remote start by pass the ignition issue that he claims was the problem? If it does what is most likely the issue with it not starting. Sounds like a loose or spotty connection to the fuel pump to me.
Thanks TOE
Quick edit: The problem is intermittent...It will work fine for days and then no boom boom. Try it again in an hour and it works fine.
did the guy check basics before digging into the computer?
initial check should be:
spark, fuel pressure, injector pulse, air. those can all be accomplished in the same test.
you mentioned that it's intermittent........as of late, i've had a few crank position sensors go intermittently in gm products(they must've improved them, because gm's never used to do that). without the crank sensor, the computer doesn't know when, to begin sequencing fuel, and spark.
as far as the remote start, i think it bypasses the security system, soley because you cannot drive the car till you've put the key in the ignition, and therefore, it's presumed safe to bypass this.
it's hard for me to believe they ordered a key/ignition switch without your ok, ESPECIALLY with the cost, AND that they don't seem to be sure.
hopefully some of this helped.......
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would the crank sensor show a drop in voltage and or create the codes that he saw? Also would this be an intermittent problem...he just appears to be scratching his head because he cant duplicate the problem consistently or long enough to figure out what part in the chain is broken.
Thanks TOE
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would the crank sensor show a drop in voltage and or create the codes that he saw? Also would this be an intermittent problem...he just appears to be scratching his head because he cant duplicate the problem consistently or long enough to figure out what part in the chain is broken.
Thanks TOE
sometimes the crank sensor will leave no codes. i used to do a "tap" test on the older ones that were mounted behind the damper. it could very well become intermittent. i just did a 97 lumina about 2 weeks ago that was doing just this.
if it runs crappy sometimes, it could also be caused by an idle air control motor.
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OK I'm extremely pissed.....I specifically told this guy to not fix my ignition because I was not sure that this was the issue because of the remote start by passing it and it still would not start. So I get a call saying that they did replace the ignition switch and they disabled my remote start (that I paid good money for) and that I now owe 480.00 bucks. Sounds to me like this jerk off does not know if he fixed anything or not and he was just guessing at the problem.
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OK I'm extremely pissed.....I specifically told this guy to not fix my ignition because I was not sure that this was the issue because of the remote start by passing it and it still would not start. So I get a call saying that they did replace the ignition switch and they disabled my remote start (that I paid good money for) and that I now owe 480.00 bucks. Sounds to me like this jerk off does not know if he fixed anything or not and he was just guessing at the problem.
:O
id be pissed to :aok
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OK I'm extremely pissed.....I specifically told this guy to not fix my ignition because I was not sure that this was the issue because of the remote start by passing it and it still would not start. So I get a call saying that they did replace the ignition switch and they disabled my remote start (that I paid good money for) and that I now owe 480.00 bucks. Sounds to me like this jerk off does not know if he fixed anything or not and he was just guessing at the problem.
whelp.....i sure as hell wouldn't take the vehicle back without that remote start working, especially if it didn't fix the problem. i hate places like that....they make us all look bad.
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To top it all off he said the battery was bad...and if I drive it away with the bad battery I could fry everything and it might cost a few thousand to get the car running again. I told him to forget the battery I'll put a spare in when I get home. I run to the local parts store. First I have it tested with the little hand held and it says its bad...but...the guy says this has side mount posts made from steel and I wouldn't trust this read out..so I say can we pull it and test it..he says sure...the battery tested fine. He then says lets hook it to the big machine and see what that says....tested fine. I'm thinking law suit at this point because not only did he disconnect the remote start but cut out the wires for the door locks too. This guy works on high end cars to boot...I figured if he can fix land rovers my GMC should be no problem. WTF
CAP I wished you lived near here.
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To top it all off he said the battery was bad...and if I drive it away with the bad battery I could fry everything and it might cost a few thousand to get the car running again. I told him to forget the battery I'll put a spare in when I get home. I run to the local parts store. First I have it tested with the little hand held and it says its bad...but...the guy says this has side mount posts made from steel and I wouldn't trust this read out..so I say can we pull it and test it..he says sure...the battery tested fine. He then says lets hook it to the big machine and see what that says....tested fine. I'm thinking law suit at this point because not only did he disconnect the remote start but cut out the wires for the door locks too. This guy works on high end cars to boot...I figured if he can fix land rovers my GMC should be no problem. WTF
CAP I wished you lived near here.
if it tested bad in the truck, but tested fine out of it, look VERY carefully at the battery terminal ends. those side terminal ends have a habit of collecting corrosion which will effectively block the good flow of power.
as for cutting the wires to the power door locks.....check all of the fuses first, as it would take a deliberate effort to get at those wires to cut them.
before lawsuit, try talking to the actual shop manager, or the shop owner, rather than the mechanic or service manager. let them know what's been going on, and how you feel screwed over.
this same kinda crap just happened to my ex-wife. she has a new 4runner, and took it some place to have fog lights installed. the dam thing nearly caught fire when she picked it up.....it needed an entire new harness under the dash, thanks to them. took 3 months too.
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I am a highly trained, skilled and compensated parts professional and that being said, this problem is a piece of cake.
quit calling your sierra HD a "car" and it will respect you back :D
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I am a highly trained, skilled and compensated parts professional and that being said, this problem is a piece of cake.
quit calling your sierra HD a "car" and it will respect you back :D
ya know one job you couldn't pay me enough money for? being a parts counter person. those people have to deal with people like me all dam day, and although i'm generally a nice guy......i get pretty ultra melontish sometimes with the parts guys.......i just had to call one of my suppliers the other day, and apologize, 'cause after i calmed down, i realized just how much of an bellybutton i was........
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wow thats a pretty snafu situation :O I dont know much about remote starts other than they are good when they work and quite pricey :lol agreed with Cap, fuel, air and spark should have been his first tests. I sure as heck wouldnt take my truck back with stuff broken that wasnt broken before it went there :old: thats why I only deal with 1 garage, been stiffed by a couple and one of them was a gmc dealer :mad: good luck man :salute
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Most remote start systems put the key or the chip carried in the key in a place near the coil that detects the key.
There is also a "key relearn" proceedure you should try if you are getting passkey or passlock codes.
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ya know one job you couldn't pay me enough money for? being a parts counter person. those people have to deal with people like me all dam day, and although i'm generally a nice guy......i get pretty ultra melontish sometimes with the parts guys.......i just had to call one of my suppliers the other day, and apologize, 'cause after i calmed down, i realized just how much of an bellybutton i was........
ah it's not that bad! hell I'd rather listen to you all day than deal with the public. You just want your parts and you want em now. They need parts for a car. What kind of car you say? it's blue :bhead
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ah it's not that bad! hell I'd rather listen to you all day than deal with the public. You just want your parts and you want em now. They need parts for a car. What kind of car you say? it's blue :bhead
hey.....do you get people that walk in and don't even know what they're driving? believe it or not, i get that a LOT
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used to. I just sell to shops these days. I haven't sold to the public in 10 years or so and I don't miss it at all :banana:
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To top it all off he said the battery was bad...and if I drive it away with the bad battery I could fry everything and it might cost a few thousand to get the car running again. I told him to forget the battery I'll put a spare in when I get home. I run to the local parts store. First I have it tested with the little hand held and it says its bad...but...the guy says this has side mount posts made from steel and I wouldn't trust this read out..so I say can we pull it and test it..he says sure...the battery tested fine. He then says lets hook it to the big machine and see what that says....tested fine. I'm thinking law suit at this point because not only did he disconnect the remote start but cut out the wires for the door locks too. This guy works on high end cars to boot...I figured if he can fix land rovers my GMC should be no problem. WTF
CAP I wished you lived near here.
Funniest thing I've read all week. Seriously, got a good hard lol.
OK, but sincerely, sorry about your bad Mechanic luck.
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I need a competent mechanic that can work on a caterpillar. They are far and between.
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I need a competent mechanic that can work on a caterpillar. They are far and between.
those are something i've never touched.
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I need a competent mechanic that can work on a caterpillar. They are far and between.
I'm a locomotive mechanic..............
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Toe,
I would take Caps advice and simply go see the GM or the Owner and talk it out civilly. If that does not work, take the truck to a GM shop and get an estimate to fix it. Then send a simple demand letter (you can get standard forms online) should be sent to the shop asking them to fix or compensate you for the problem they created. If at that point, they do not take it seriously, then consider an attorney. Just be sure to remember that while it might be $1500 issue, cases like this can cost upwards of $5000.00 in legal fees and you may or may not recoup them. Also, while a win in court is just fine, you still have to collect. That's the problem.
I educated myself on the process over the past few months, and realized that in some cases, you are just spending good money to go after bad. In the end, you might end up with a piece of paper that does not end up compensating you for the initial loss, let alone the additional costs of a suit.
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next time pay with a credit card then call the credit card company and protest the service provided as you didnt authorize them changing the ignition then go to court and file a small claims court to get the money you paid to fix their screw up.
I dont have a mechanic I trust. never seen one that didnt try to rip me off and that is sad as they can still make money the right way, but they're too lazy.
midway
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I need a competent mechanic that can work on a caterpillar. They are far and between.
You need to get intouch with Jdog,he has many years experence working with Cats!
IIRC he's located in northern IL.
:salute
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next time pay with a credit card then call the credit card company and protest the service provided as you didnt authorize them changing the ignition then go to court and file a small claims court to get the money you paid to fix their screw up.
I dont have a mechanic I trust. never seen one that didnt try to rip me off and that is sad as they can still make money the right way, but they're too lazy.
midway
not all of us are too lazy.
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those are something i've never touched.
Order some books, take a seminar, and hang a plaque on the wall - open for business. :devil
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not all of us are too lazy.
too bad you dont live around me and based on what others say about you, you are one of the few :aok.
midway
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Order some books, take a seminar, and hang a plaque on the wall - open for business. :devil
well, that IS one thing about me. if i don't know how to fix it when it rolls in the door, i WILL know how to fix it when it rolls out.
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too bad you dont live around me and based on what others say about you, you are one of the few :aok.
midway
we don't agree on much.....but damn spot on here :aok