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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: guncrasher on February 08, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
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southern California officers are still looking for the suspected shooter in the death of 3 people including 1 police officer, several others are wounded. meanwhile lapd shoots 2 women and misses another man looking for suspect.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-shooting-at-innocent-people_n_2638701.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-vanished-powerful-weaponry/story?id=18437045
the two women were shot because they were driving a pick-up truck similar to that of the suspect, they were delivering newspapers. the man was also driving a similar vehicle and resembled the suspects, thankfully the police missed him.
midway
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This is pretty crazy.
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It kind of puts a new meaning to "only the bad guys will have guns"....
It's not an anti-gun rant...just an observation of irony.....
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Obama will be there in 2 days to console the smiling families of the victims and make it all better.
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That should be the LAPD's Chief to do that. These cops SHOULD have their guns taken away...Keystone to the max. There isn't ANY justification for firing with no warnings.....
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I can see where this thread is going.
CallINg it now.
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Read his manifesto. That's all I'm sayINg.
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I think that there might be some truth to his accusations of a fellow cop abusing someone and tried to do the right thing only to get screwed. It wouldn't be the first time. Something set this fellow off big time.
The fact that they are shooting to kill without warning is more than suspicious, almost seems that they want to silence him before he has a chance to speak. He should get that chance, before they convict him and sentence him to whatever.....
to clarify on my earlier post...it was in reference to the police shooting innocent people...not advocating anything else...I'm certainly aware of the rules of the forum.
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the two women were shot because they were driving a pick-up truck similar to that of the suspect, they were delivering newspapers. the man was also driving a similar vehicle and resembled the suspects, thankfully the police missed him.
Its a lot worse then that, the suspect was driving a grey Nissan Titan, but the women where shot in a bright blue Toyota Tacoma. LAPD needs to better training on vehicle and check for colour blindness in their officers!
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Dorner is gonna get what is coming to him. I do believe he was kicked out of the force for testifying, but that doesnt give him the right to go on a manhunt. but what is sad is that those responsible for shooting the 2 women and the guy are gonna be out on the street "protecting and serving" again, after all they will be giving the same old "I was afraid for my life..." crap
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I say call up the posse and the it will be game over.
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Reading his manifesto (the unedited version) and then the actions of the LAPD (the obvious f**k up of shooting the wrong type and color truck, firing without confirming target etc.) just pretty much confirm that someone up top wants him dead and fast and gives me more reason to root for him.
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Unreal.
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well the two women that got shot by the lapd are gonna get a new truck. I guess it's better than the tshirts they hand out : "I got shot by the lapd and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".
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(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195516-04-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
Absolutely unreal. The two asian women were doing their job, delivering newspapers, and had been asked by the community to do it with their lights off in order to keep from waking people up, and they complied with the request. The LAPD officers saw this as "potentially hostile" and just lit them up. How on earth can you make a decision to fire on two civilians and not be charged with anything under these circumstances. While doing PSD work my company used to get threat info and intel on vehicles thought to be being used by hostile forces, but if I had ever decided to just mow down a vehicle based on a match with this without first not only seeing a weapon pointed at me, but actually being engaged, I would have been in all kinds of legal crap, and that's in two countries where we were shot at on a daily, and sometimes hourly basis every time we drove out of our compound.
I just can't believe this, and that fact that it has happened not once, but TWICE shows me the LAPD is both a: very scared right now, and b: has hired and trained several very incompetent and dangerous officers. I understand the fear part, any soldier or security person who has been detailed to some sort of duty that involves being targeted directly knows that sick feeling of wondering if today is the actual day, but come ON, this is ridiculous. Look at that truck! I've shot at vehicles with belt fed weapons and left less damage than that, what could they possibly have been thinking emptying their sidearms like that? And look at that group of shots in the tailgate, did they think somebody was hiding in the box of the truck? There are dozens of shots through the back windows, it's amazing both those women weren't killed with the number of shots fired at them at that range.
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(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195516-04-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
Absolutely unreal. The two asian women were doing their job, delivering newspapers, and had been asked by the community to do it with their lights off in order to keep from waking people up, and they complied with the request. The LAPD officers saw this as "potentially hostile" and just lit them up. How on earth can you make a decision to fire on two civilians and not be charged with anything under these circumstances. While doing PSD work my company used to get threat info and intel on vehicles thought to be being used by hostile forces, but if I had ever decided to just mow down a vehicle based on a match with this without first not only seeing a weapon pointed at me, but actually being engaged, I would have been in all kinds of legal crap, and that's in two countries where we were shot at on a daily, and sometimes hourly basis every time we drove out of our compound.
I just can't believe this, and that fact that it has happened not once, but TWICE shows me the LAPD is both a: very scared right now, and b: has hired and trained several very incompetent and dangerous officers. I understand the fear part, any soldier or security person who has been detailed to some sort of duty that involves being targeted directly knows that sick feeling of wondering if today is the actual day, but come ON, this is ridiculous. Look at that truck! I've shot at vehicles with belt fed weapons and left less damage than that, what could they possibly have been thinking emptying their sidearms like that? And look at that group of shots in the tailgate, did they think somebody was hiding in the box of the truck? There are dozens of shots through the back windows, it's amazing both those women weren't killed with the number of shots fired at them at that range.
I agree, but we have NONE of the details as to why the LAPD opened fire. I cant imagine the PD just rolling up and opening fire when the suspect is alone, BIG, not an Asian female, etc. I'd be willing to bet the PD officers called in the plates to see if the truck was stolen and who the owner was. Something does not add up for them to "just open fire" . However... if it was a case of an itchy trigger finger then someone had better get some extra training and a reprimand if need be. Did I see correctly that neither woman was hurt??? If so... what a God send!
For **anyone** to condone what this POS is doing needs to take a serious look at what they are saying. Evidently, there are some supporters out there backing this guy up (word is the suspect is a "liberal" and hence the anti-right crowd standing behind him) and making excuses of the alleged "racism" he went through as a PD officer and that he was pushed over the edge. Total BS.
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I agree with all of that SL. No matter what happened though, the cops involved made a huge mistake, even if their dispatch said "that's the vehicle in question" regarding the x-LAPD fugitive, they still had no right to open fire without first identifying their targets. Both women WERE hit, one of them several times, but they will survive. Both of them also say they were shot while still seated inside the vehicle, which looks like a fairly believable statement considering the bullet holes. Shooting at targets that haven't been identified is a major failure IMO. Those windows look tinted, and this happened at night, how an earth could the cops even see if the targets were armed, much less who they were. Like I said, ridiculous, considering the cops so far have gotten a pass and "it was an accident" stamp from their department.
I agree with you that we don't know the whole story of this incident, but I ask what possible excuse could the officers have here to defend themselves with, when they had the wrong vehicle type, color, and occupants. So far from matching the description of their "target" that they are of opposite sex. Insane.
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It happened to two separate trucks. The other one, a black Honda, had just been cleared by one police unit and sent on its way when it was rammed and shot at by another unit(Torrance PD). The driver wasn't hit but received injuries from the collision.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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However... if it was a case of an itchy trigger finger then someone had better get some extra training and a reprimand if need be.
:rofl A reprimand and extra training! You are a real piece of work.
Those dangerous idiots should be sacked and locked up in my opinion. Or at the very least demoted and never allowed to use a gun in the line of duty again.
For **anyone** to condone what this POS is doing needs to take a serious look at what they are saying. Evidently, there are some supporters out there backing this guy up (word is the suspect is a "liberal" and hence the anti-right crowd standing behind him) and making excuses of the alleged "racism" he went through as a PD officer and that he was pushed over the edge. Total BS.
A classic example of someone who believes everything he is fed by the media.
The fact that they are shooting to kill without warning is more than suspicious, almost seems that they want to silence him before he has a chance to speak. He should get that chance, before they convict him and sentence him to whatever.....
I imagine this won't get as far as sentencing, I doubt he'll even see the back of a cop car or ambulance, let alone a courtroom
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Reading a bit more, neighboring vehicles and houses have been riddled with bullet holes in the area of the first shooting as well. One lady had both of her vehicles hit by 6 shots or more, an Acura MDX and a Ford Focus, as well as her garage door and home. So much for "target and beyond". Another neighbor counted over 60 shots fired. SIXTY shots with no target identified.
A third neighbor said the following : "While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile. "
The more I'm reading about this the worse it's looking for the officers involved. They are SO lucky they didn't kill the two innocent occupants, much less any bystanders or random people in their homes. To skate without any punishment is unbelievable. I really believe the xLAPD guy and his manifesto are a separate issue, I don't condone this nut's actions in any way, but to use him as an excuse for this type of behavior from the LAPD is unfathomable.
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I agree, but we have NONE of the details as to why the LAPD opened fire. I cant imagine the PD just rolling up and opening fire when the suspect is alone, BIG, not an Asian female, etc. I'd be willing to bet the PD officers called in the plates to see if the truck was stolen and who the owner was. Something does not add up for them to "just open fire" . However... if it was a case of an itchy trigger finger then someone had better get some extra training and a reprimand if need be. Did I see correctly that neither woman was hurt??? If so... what a God send!
For **anyone** to condone what this POS is doing needs to take a serious look at what they are saying. Evidently, there are some supporters out there backing this guy up (word is the suspect is a "liberal" and hence the anti-right crowd standing behind him) and making excuses of the alleged "racism" he went through as a PD officer and that he was pushed over the edge. Total BS.
Take your political bias blinders off for a second and stop trying to find reasons to condemn people. I, a liberal who moves in liberal circles generally, have not heard a single peep of support from anybody for this guy. That is insane.
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"I....have not heard a single peep of support..." Seriously?? Have you read THIS thread..at least 3 posters have indicated degrees of sympathy for this criminal...
And there is this..http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/ (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/)...wanna make him President...?
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At this point I'm thinking having Dorner patrolling the streets with an assault rifle would be safer than the majority of LAPD officers as of late :aok
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wow
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story
"David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.
Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue."
"I....have not heard a single peep of support..." Seriously?? Have you read THIS thread..at least 3 posters have indicated degrees of sympathy for this criminal...
it's hard not to feel some sympathy when these are the kind of cops he's going after
he is an American Hero :salute
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"I....have not heard a single peep of support..." Seriously?? Have you read THIS thread..at least 3 posters have indicated degrees of sympathy for this criminal...
And there is this..http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/ (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/)...wanna make him President...?
And you know those posters are liberals not not just anarchists or anti-establishment yahoos?
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"I....have not heard a single peep of support..." Seriously?? Have you read THIS thread..at least 3 posters have indicated degrees of sympathy for this criminal...
And there is this..http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/ (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/)...wanna make him President...?
And you know these posters are liberals not not simply anarchists or anti-establishment yahoos?
You may not like liberals, but that doesn't mean that everyone you don't like is a liberal or that every position you dislike is a liberal position.
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The trouble with that statement Gemini is it isn't just the cops who supposedly wronged him he's going after, it's their children and family. Do you think a hero would target the daughter of somebody he's angry at, killing her and her uninvolved fiance? What kind of hero deliberately targets innocent women and children of somebody he has a beef with. "I never got to have a family, so I'm terminating yours". That's his statement. Some hero. I don't defend the LAPD's stupidity in shooting up the civilians in the 2 cases so far, far from it, and IMO they are just making things worse and giving this nutjob an undeserved "folk hero" reputation.
If this guy had limited his target selection to those who supposedly wronged him, I could almost understand how people could support him...almost. But come ON, killing somebody's daughter because he fired you from your job? Nice hero.
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The trouble with that statement Gemini is it isn't just the cops who supposedly wronged him he's going after, it's their children and family. Do you think a hero would target the daughter of somebody he's angry at, killing her and her uninvolved fiance? What kind of hero deliberately targets innocent women and children of somebody he has a beef with. "I never got to have a family, so I'm terminating yours". That's his statement. Some hero. I don't defend the LAPD's stupidity in shooting up the civilians in the 2 cases so far, far from it, and IMO they are just making things worse and giving this nutjob an undeserved "folk hero" reputation.
If this guy had limited his target selection to those who supposedly wronged him, I could almost understand how people could support him...almost. But come ON, killing somebody's daughter because he fired you from your job? Nice hero.
Actions speak louder than words, and he hasn't murdered any children thus far. I agree that would be a disgusting way to pursue his vendetta.
On the other hand, could easily have been some children in one of the multiple trucks that have been indiscriminately riddled with bullets by police officers...it's pure luck that no innocent citizens have actually lost their lives so far in this manhunt.
Whole situation is sickening :uhoh The only good thing is the LAPD are doing more to expose themselves as, at the very least irresponsible, if not corrupt, than the shooter could have done on his own.
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no innocent citizens have actually lost their lives so far in this manhunt.
So the 28 year old basketball coach and her fiance that he shot and killed don't count? What kind of hero shoots somebody just because they are related to somebody who they are angry at over being dismissed from a job? Even if this nut was wrongfully fired, what right does that give him to shoot ANYONE, much less 2 people that had absolutely nothing to do with it. I agree that the LAPD has turned this into a PR nightmare due to their incompetence in the 2 shootings near the police Capt's home they were protecting, but that doesn't somehow excuse this guy's behavior before that happened. It's one thing to accidentally hit a civilian in a shootout, it happens all the time, look at New York recently, and that in of itself is certainly a terrible and preventable thing, but to deliberately target the children and family of other cops this clown is angry at, as per his manifesto, and the first 2 family members he's already killed....ridiculous.
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You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs
I guess we just have different definitions of what is meant by 'American hero'. Servicemen have come back from tours in places like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan having gunned down innocent non-combatants, but they were doing their part to save the world from terrorism or communism, and neither you or I can take away the fact that they are American heroes
Sometimes you've got to do evil things to defeat evil, any true American should recognise that
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Be safe!
Let the cops know not to shoot you!
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Be safe!
Let the cops know not to shoot you!
Order a
"I'M NOT CHRISTOPHER DORNER"
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THAT. is without a doubt the best bumper sticker I've ever seen :rofl
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Breaking a few eggs? Quoting Stalin and Marx, that's what you're doing to defend your hero? The following is cut/paste right from his manifesto. Using his intel training to target children at schools is a bit different from service members who have been in situations where they've had to engage an enemy surrounded by civilians and children. That's what sets Americans and other western countries apart from other places, trying to NOT hurt innocent and uninvolved people as opposed to deliberately targeting them.
Bratton, Beck, Hayes, Tingirides, Eisenberg, Martella, Quan, Evans, Hernandez, Villanueva/Gallegos, and Anderson. Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children’s schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.
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Just read that in the incident mentioned above, where they ran the white surfer dude off the road.and shot his truck up, the shots they were responding to were fired by other cops in the area shooting at another mistakenly identified truck :rofl
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Breaking a few eggs? Quoting Stalin and Marx, that's what you're doing to defend your hero? The following is cut/paste right from his manifesto. Using his intel training to target children at schools is a bit different from service members who have been in situations where they've had to engage an enemy surrounded by civilians and children. That's what sets Americans and other western countries apart from other places, trying to NOT hurt innocent and uninvolved people as opposed to deliberately targeting them.
When he has killed someone's child I will no doubt agree with you
Until then I just see it as a good scare tactic to rattle his enemies
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Just read that in the incident mentioned above, where they ran the white surfer dude off the road.and shot his truck up, the shots they were responding to were fired by other cops in the area shooting at another mistakenly identified truck :rofl
It's a shame Skuzzy won't ban someone at the first sign of being a complete idiot. But we shouldn't have to wait long before you get PNG'd.
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When he has killed someone's child I will no doubt agree with you
Until then I just see it as a good scare tactic to rattle his enemies
The three people he's killed already were somebody's children regardless of their age. Murder is murder, man, woman, or child.
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Just read that in the incident mentioned above, where they ran the white surfer dude off the road.and shot his truck up, the shots they were responding to were fired by other cops in the area shooting at another mistakenly identified truck :rofl
And you think that's funny, wow what a tool.
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Of course I find real life Keystone Cops funny. Knowing that there are people who will blindly defend their actio ns is rather funny too :)
Devil 505 seems like you are not keen on freedom of other people to have differing opinions. You are a disgrace to your country sir.
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Devil 505 seems like you are not keen on freedom of other people to have differing opinions. You are a disgrace to your country sir.
I am not keen on your opinion that people who murder the families of professional enemies are heroes. You are a disgrace to humanity.
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That's fine, in America everyone is entitled to their opinion :aok
One of the reasons USA is #1
Of course, if Devil 505 was in charge, someone with the wrong kind of opinion would be banned from expressing it
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I agree, but we have NONE of the details as to why the LAPD opened fire. I cant imagine the PD just rolling up and opening fire when the suspect is alone, BIG, not an Asian female, etc. I'd be willing to bet the PD officers called in the plates to see if the truck was stolen and who the owner was. Something does not add up for them to "just open fire" . However... if it was a case of an itchy trigger finger then someone had better get some extra training and a reprimand if need be. Did I see correctly that neither woman was hurt??? If so... what a God send!
For **anyone** to condone what this POS is doing needs to take a serious look at what they are saying. Evidently, there are some supporters out there backing this guy up (word is the suspect is a "liberal" and hence the anti-right crowd standing behind him) and making excuses of the alleged "racism" he went through as a PD officer and that he was pushed over the edge. Total BS.
what excuse could there be for the shooting? obviously they didnt look at the driver or passenger. the truck didnt match the description. the "I thought they were reaching for a weapon" excuse doesnt look good either. did the newspapers been thrown out of the window look like assault weapons or ied's?
the cops panic and fired, reloaded and fired several times. they hit everything from the truck to the houses nearby. frankly I am surprised they didnt shoot each other. If anybody else would have open fire like that on a truck thinking it was dorner, they would be in jail waiting for attempted murder charges to be filed.
what excuse could there be for the other guy to be crashed into. he had just been cleared by another officer just seconds before.
I find it funny that you want them to be reprimanded for an "itchy finger". cops arent above the law but that is what you want them to be. anybody else with an "itchy finger" goes to jail and cops shouldnt be an exception. unless of course you want the excuse as sick as it is that dorner also had an "itchy finger".
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I think they oughta shoot him just because he thinks David Gergen is a genius
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Take your political bias blinders off for a second and stop trying to find reasons to condemn people. I, a liberal who moves in liberal circles generally, have not heard a single peep of support from anybody for this guy. That is insane.
I dont have to be political to condemn this POS. I ask you to go to the Democratic Underground and simply *read* what is being said in those forums and defended by people in the media (Rachel Maddow and rrrRevand Al Sharpton in specific). There are many of extremists on both ends of the spectrum cheering this guy on, the anti-cop crowd of the left and the anti-government crowd on the right. Perhaps I over-generalized a bit, I apologize. Certainly, none of the crowds I frequent are cheering this POS on, in fact we're talking about getting a piece of the 1,000,000 reward. Some of have the means to do some sight seeing in CA for a few weeks. :aok
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Tell ya what..Karick..ol Gemini ain't no republican or libertarian..guess he's all yours, baby.
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I wonder what's gonna happen at the end of this man hunt?
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I wonder what's gonna happen at the end of this man hunt?
I hope they send the memo to everyone so they know to stop shooting random civillians :rolleyes:
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I wonder what's gonna happen at the end of this man hunt?
Skuzzy will have to play cleanup on this board again.
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I rode up on a cruiser here in Irvine the other night on my bike, on the way to the old El Toro Marine base. I use a dead end road as a shortcut, and cut across an empty lot, to avoid a pretty dangerous stretch of road. I saw a bright spottlight at the end, figured it was a resident or construction worker. Nope, two officers jumping out of their cruiser with guns drawn on me. I'm a little white kid on a bike, but apparently they're pretty spooked around here. After they ran my info we talked a bit, they're on edge lately not knowing what to expect. Everyone hates their actions lately, but it's not their fault. Maybe without all these F-ups running around ruining this country, we wouldn't need a police state. Don't blame the effects, blame the causes.
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I rode up on a cruiser here in Irvine the other night on my bike, on the way to the old El Toro Marine base. I use a dead end road as a shortcut, and cut across an empty lot, to avoid a pretty dangerous stretch of road. I saw a bright spottlight at the end, figured it was a resident or construction worker. Nope, two officers jumping out of their cruiser with guns drawn on me. I'm a little white kid on a bike, but apparently they're pretty spooked around here. After they ran my info we talked a bit, they're on edge lately not knowing what to expect. Everyone hates their actions lately, but it's not their fault. Maybe without all these F-ups running around ruining this country, we wouldn't need a police state. Don't blame the effects, blame the causes.
Guns drawn, eh? And yes your %100 correct, the cause and effect thing many people forget about. Sort of the same thing as being responsible for your own actions, that too is becoming a lost maxim.
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For **anyone** to condone what this POS is doing needs to take a serious look at what they are saying. Evidently, there are some supporters out there backing this guy up (word is the suspect is a "liberal" and hence the anti-right crowd standing behind him) and making excuses of the alleged "racism" he went through as a PD officer and that he was pushed over the edge. Total BS.
Did you take the time to read his manifesto? From your comments quoted above, I am going to say "No", that you haven't read his manifesto. If you had, you would have read where he mentions his political affiliation, and it's not "liberal", he's a registered Republican that supported Jon Huntsman for the presidential elections and ended up not voting because Huntsman didn't get the nomination.
ack-ack
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Did you take the time to read his manifesto? From your comments quoted above, I am going to say "No", that you haven't read his manifesto. If you had, you would have read where he mentions his political affiliation, and it's not "liberal", he's a registered Republican that supported Jon Huntsman for the presidential elections and ended up not voting because Huntsman didn't get the nomination.
ack-ack
From the manifesto, "Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives."
:rofl
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From the manifesto, "Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives."
:rofl
Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, f*** y**. I didn't vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn't win the primary candidacy for his party.
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