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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tracerfi on February 23, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
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Since i am a big fan of nascar and a few of you guys maybe i am utterly shocked of what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fnHRCeUcDL4
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NASCAT commentator:
"Mother of god Jerry, they're making another left turn, what could possibly happen next?!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOTHER LEEEFT TURRRRRN!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOOOTHER LEEEFFFT TUUUUUUUUURRRNNN"
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Did the catch fence hold?
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Did the catch fence hold?
the fence caught the motor but a portion of the fence is wrecked i saw the fence tore open when they were covering it live
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Hope nothing got through.
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Hope nothing got through.
the fence did its job though some people got hurt and there was a wreck before that too and one person was sent to the hospital :pray to those who got injured
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I can guarentee you there is 1 stain that his sponser Clorox wont be able to get out :D
In all seriousness, hope everyone is ok
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jesus. i hope JAXXO and SHawk are ok
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I hope they didn't spin out the 7 car on purpose :confused:
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You can see some parts of the car flew over the fence...not good. I just read http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2013/02/23/huge-car-crash-mars-nationwide-series-race-at-daytona/1941529/ two of the many injuries were in the upper deck. :uhoh
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I hope they didn't spin out the 7 car on purpose :confused:
Yeah, that would not be good, though the it looks from the clip like the car in front went high to cover the 2nd place guy who was doing the same, they came together. Racing incident for my money. Again, hope all OK.
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Last I heard, there was at least one critical with head trauma in surgery.
I saw one pic of a wheel in the upper deck, almost all the way up by the press box area. Crazy...
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NASCAT commentator:
"Mother of god Jerry, they're making another left turn, what could possibly happen next?!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOTHER LEEEFT TURRRRRN!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOOOTHER LEEEFFFT TUUUUUUUUURRRNNN"
LMAO!!!! i was talking to my freind and doing the same thing, i was screaming, look out left tuuurnnnn coming up hahahah :rofl :cheers:
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Hope nothing got through.
It did :(.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJn7gbsr3mM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJn7gbsr3mM)
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THEY'RE MAKING ANOOOTHER LEEEFFFT TUUUUUUUUURRRNNN"
LMAO!!!! i was talking to my freind and doing the same thing, i was screaming, look out left tuuurnnnn coming up hahahah :rofl :cheers:
That tire/hub/suspension piece weighed about 150 lbs and was travelling over 150mph (according to SPEED-TV). At least 28 people were injured, 2 critically.
But you guys go ahead and yuck it up about NASCAR because that's real funny...(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/1charlie55/OhGod-ShakingHeadSmiley.gif)
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That tire/hub/suspension piece weighed about 150 lbs and was travelling over 150mph (according to SPEED-TV). At least 28 people were injured, 2 critically.
But you guys go ahead and yuck it up about NASCAR because that's real funny...(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/1charlie55/OhGod-ShakingHeadSmiley.gif)
at the time of posting I did not know anyone was injured, I doubt ALFA did either, apologies to all :salute
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That tire/hub/suspension piece weighed about 150 lbs and was travelling over 150mph (according to SPEED-TV). At least 28 people were injured, 2 critically.
But you guys go ahead and yuck it up about NASCAR because that's real funny...(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/1charlie55/OhGod-ShakingHeadSmiley.gif)
i think you need to settle a bit, neither of them commented on the injury's, mainly the sport itself, and im inclined to agree, ive toured the indy speedway and the only thing that seems fun about the sport to me would be the tailgating. then again that would be my excuse for football...
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Hey Redbull, they go straight too!
Legendary Nascar Coach explains NASCAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg
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NASCAT commentator:
"Mother of god Jerry, they're making another left turn, what could possibly happen next?!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOTHER LEEEFT TURRRRRN!
THEY'RE MAKING ANOOOTHER LEEEFFFT TUUUUUUUUURRRNNN"
Wow, you're a comedic genius. No one has ever done that before.
Well, except for a ventriloquist with his hand stuck up a dummy's butt about 6 years ago.
If you're going to attempt humor, a little fresh and original material might be good. Or at least give credit to the person you stole the old material from.
And I'm not even a NASCAR fan. Not because they race in a circle, either, because 99.99% of people who blabber about that couldn't hope to do it.
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i think you need to settle a bit, neither of them commented on the injury's, mainly the sport itself, and im inclined to agree, ive toured the indy speedway and the only thing that seems fun about the sport to me would be the tailgating. then again that would be my excuse for football...
Well, there's some information I doubt anyone here really wanted.
Of course, then again, you may not be the only one here who likes "tailgaiting" guys......................... .........
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Are you sure you're not a NASTARD fan? Because you're obviously pretty butt hurt to be questioning someone elses sexuality just because they don't like the redneck special olympics.
P.S. Trying to twist tailgating into some sort of sexual inuendo isn't even funny, except the irony of it coming from someone who apparently likes to watch Jeff Gordon and Michael Waltrip "bump draft" each other for 4 hours.
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Are you sure you're not a NASTARD fan? Because you're obviously pretty butt hurt to be questioning someone elses sexuality just because they don't like the redneck special olympics.
P.S. Trying to twist tailgating into some sort of sexual inuendo isn't even funny, except the irony of it coming from someone who apparently likes to watch Jeff Gordon and Michael Waltrip "bump draft" each other for 4 hours.
I'm sure I'm not a NASCAR fan. Haven't watched a race in years, it's a dog and pony show meant to cater to people who do not understand racing, and as such, prefer prepackaged entertainment.
I'm a drag racer myself, I race NHRA Stock and Super Stock.
You seem to have a "butt" fixation. Not to mention some sort of difficulty with mental handicaps, since you seem bent on insulting people with the use of variations of the word "retard" and cheap shots at the "special olympics". You should really seek help with your insecurities, since you have some sort of problem that leaves you feeling inadequate, and needing to use the truly mentally handicapped as a source of insults. The truly mentally handicapped have a valid reason for their behavior, you should seek a different excuse, as they seem to be imminently more capable than you. Not to mention far more mature and well mannered.
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NASCAR has had safety issues for years. Helton is a piss poor president and is unqualified to even mention that his events are safe. I have been around the M.I.S. track many times when I was working for Roush. None of the track management can stand him. I doubt that they are the only track on the circuit to harbor those sentiments.
Tec, perfectly stated.
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That tire/hub/suspension piece weighed about 150 lbs and was travelling over 150mph (according to SPEED-TV). At least 28 people were injured, 2 critically.
But you guys go ahead and yuck it up about NASCAR because that's real funny...(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/1charlie55/OhGod-ShakingHeadSmiley.gif)
Aww lighten up will yuh there pal, as if we want somebody to get hurt, were obviously just joking around. *shake my damn head* :rolleyes:
cheers, rpm
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Aww lighten up will yuh there pal, as if we want somebody to get hurt, were obviously just joking around. *shake my damn head* :rolleyes:
cheers, rpm
Grow up, will you?
They're making ANOOTHERR left tuuuuuurn!
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Wow! Looks like the winner is the team with the fastest tow truck. Hope nobody got seriously hurt!
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Sprint cars have better wrecks IMHO.
http://youtu.be/qVyawjr9m-c?t=14s
(http://www.onedirt.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/07/Picture-1.jpg)
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I'm a drag racer myself...
So you can't even do left turns then?
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So you can't even do left turns then?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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So you can't even do left turns then?
Post of the Month. Even Hilts is laughing at that one. :rofl
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Post of the Month. Even Hilts is laughing at that one. :rofl
Yes on 1. No on 2. :aok
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Grow up, will you?
They're making ANOOTHERR left tuuuuuurn!
:rofl
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Sprint cars have better wrecks IMHO.
http://youtu.be/qVyawjr9m-c?t=14s
(http://www.onedirt.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/07/Picture-1.jpg)
God, how many of those I've witnessed! I am usually at a dirt track every weekend from April-September (my buddy runs late models and modifieds), and I've seen some pretty bad wrecks. I actually saw a sprint car leave the track, go through the fence, and flip into the parking lot in Malden, MO. Of all the accidents I've seen, I've never seen anyone seriously hurt, fan or driver. What people don't realize are the dangers in racing for both the drivers and spectators. It's very easy for parts to fly into the crowd, even more so during wrecks. I saw the wreck when it happened on TV and was hoping everyone was ok, as I know how much damage flying parts can cause!
#S#
Josh
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at the time of posting I did not know anyone was injured, I doubt ALFA did either, apologies to all :salute
When there is no excuse, begging for one is pathetic. :ahand
With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.
Extremely unfortunate incident, I hope much is to be learned from it going forward and that most the wounds will heal quickly for the victims and their friends and families. :pray
Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection. You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race. I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).
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When there is no excuse, begging for one is pathetic. :ahand
With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.
Not sure what you mean here. No one is begging for anything, and I am not sticking my foot in my mouth I was commenting on something unrelated to the specific incident at hand, I also apologized, so what's the problem now?
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With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.
LOL :rofl
Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection. You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race. I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).
What :headscratch:
Let me try again.
Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection. You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race. I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).
....What are you saying? Are you sure? Did all your thoughts translate to type without some being lost? I dont get it. :headscratch:
Redbull.....shhhhhht. :old: :rofl
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Not sure what you mean here. No one is begging for anything, and I am not sticking my foot in my mouth I was commenting on something unrelated to the specific incident at hand, I also apologized, so what's the problem now?
I don't usually get involved in flame wars like this is turning into, but honestly it looks like RPM loves racing, and is using guilt-trip tactics to defend it. In my opinion he is taking it too far, but I just ignore that sort of thing.
After all, all fan-boi's must die, and that includes NASCAR.
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Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.
Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=890_1361887996)
ack-ack
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Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.
Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=890_1361887996)
ack-ack
........wow.
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Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.
Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=890_1361887996)
:rofl :rofl OMG, I think that was SHawk that got hit by the wheel! Are you alright buddy? :pray
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What an EPIC video......On a serious note . I was asking in an online discussion about Nascar and safety. I wouldn't want to go watch a race as there doesn't appear to be much room for error to keep the debris off the crowd . The safety barrier worked but not completely and the number of almost going over the cage was just scary. Low behold I got told that I was stupid and that Nascar was THE safest motorsport ever (?) . How would some of you guys change things . It seems only the super race ways has this problem . Would it be better to have the crowd inside the track and the pits to the outside? That way the cars are more likely to not hit anyone in an accident as there wont be anyone there and the crowd will have a better view .
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So you can't even do left turns then?
:rofl Dammit, coffee everywhere :rofl
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What an EPIC video......On a serious note . I was asking in an online discussion about Nascar and safety. I wouldn't want to go watch a race as there doesn't appear to be much room for error to keep the debris off the crowd .
Yes debris fly into the crowd. mostly sheet metal, but, obviously, larger parts do too. best seats are up top anyway. :old: (anyone who has been to a race knows up front is where its loud and debris are thrown your way constantly; rubber and rocks, brake rotors, not so much :lol .)
The safety barrier worked but not completely and the number of almost going over the cage was just scary.
If they release a final review, I will be looking to see if the gate in the fence (used for people to cross the track) had a major role in the breech of the structure. Although, even if the fence did hold, the tire and other parts that flew over the fence were possibly more dangerous. Will they extend the overhang of the safety fence? Im still shocked i have not seen anyone die, in 20+ years, as a result of the debris that goes over the fence.
Low behold I got told that I was stupid and that Nascar was THE safest motorsport ever (?) .
I think we should all be humbled by the obvious smack in the face that motorsports are not safe. kind of like watching a plane crash, we know its not safe, yet we continue to do it, and thats ok.
How would some of you guys change things . It seems only the super race ways has this problem .
High speeds provide the force for debris to fly over the catch fence and cars to snap 2 inch steal cable structures. unfortunately, slower cars is not so fun. Also, the trend in nascar is for more, larger tracks, that support more fans and more speed.
Another problem with the super tracks like daytona is that the engines have been restricted to the point that the race is more of a race against the Air resistance to the car/s versus engine power and traction. Therefore, the race becomes a giant pack of cars, where a lack of separation of cars increases the likelyhood of a wreck. And given the speed of around 200 mph, bad things can happen. They did this because the advancements in racing had drivers going over 212mph in the 80's (without modern advancements), risking the drivers health in the event of a crash. F1 has been dealing with this problem of too much speed and deaths of drivers also.
Maybe one thing to change would be how nascar slows the cars down. give the tires less grip or the car less downforce so that the cars must slow more in the corner. I dont know, its a tough call, and what nascar has done has probably saved some lives, but it has also lost some.
Extending the overhang of the fence is another option, if it is possible.
Would it be better to have the crowd inside the track and the pits to the outside? That way the cars are more likely to not hit anyone in an accident as there wont be anyone there and the crowd will have a better view .
the best view is when you can see the entire race. move the grandstands back could be an unrealistic option. I think I will come full circle at this point, racing is dangerous, stuff happens, if a tire comes your way duck out of the way and next time show up a little earlier and get a better seat, one thats a little more out of the way, possibly at home :lol .
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Surely the future of Nascar is clear. All future racing vehicles will be made from highly modified racing buses with huge roll cages and 25 racing seats and harnesses each. The spectators will ride along IN the race. It's the safest place for them. :old:
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What an EPIC video......On a serious note . I was asking in an online discussion about Nascar and safety. I wouldn't want to go watch a race as there doesn't appear to be much room for error to keep the debris off the crowd . The safety barrier worked but not completely and the number of almost going over the cage was just scary. Low behold I got told that I was stupid and that Nascar was THE safest motorsport ever (?) . How would some of you guys change things . It seems only the super race ways has this problem . Would it be better to have the crowd inside the track and the pits to the outside? That way the cars are more likely to not hit anyone in an accident as there wont be anyone there and the crowd will have a better view .
The odds of you getting hurt at a race very slim. I think in the incident Saturday that the gate is what caused the problems. Had that section of fence NOT been the one hit I don't think you would have seen the car tear it up so bad, nor would you have seen as many parts fly over the fence. You can check here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlytg1bYI0
and see Carl Edwards get into the fence at Talladega While his car does get tore up it isn't as bad as the one Saturday, nor can you see as much debris flying over the fence.
Just like at any sporting event there is always some degree of danger. Heck you could be in the grandstands at a baseball game and end up getting trampled by a bunch of fans trying to catch a homerun ball!
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I agree with Fugitive. They may have to look also at the way the front clip is attached to the Drivers cockpit. When you had a full length frame from bumper to bumper you didn't have the separation like this. Not saying that this extremely violent impact would not of sent things flying.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x71/saccillia/emotes/Baseball_Bat_Ninja_by_BoffinbraiN.gif)
I was at a minor league game where some poor lady was not paying attention to the game and sitting on the 1st base line.
That knock on her noggin could be heard throughout the ballpark as she was carried out on a stretcher. :uhoh
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Yeah I've seen that vid before . What about a second catch fence or a netting over the crowd ? OHHHH just had a mazine idea armoured umbrellas for people in the lower stand ............... :noid What if you took the lowest stand away and build more stands around the circuit this way people will have a better view and a larger area for debris to fly into that wont cause issues .
The risk maybe low but the results could be horrific . Risk assessments (which i've had a lot of experience in when handling deadly chemicals) often say the chance of something going wrong is very low but then the effect can be very dangerous (or deadly when I was handling ammonium sulphate) . It's the old what if thing .
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I can guarentee you there is 1 stain that his sponser Clorox wont be able to get out :D
In all seriousness, hope everyone is ok
:rofl :rofl :rofl omg
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Yeah I've seen that vid before . What about a second catch fence or a netting over the crowd ? OHHHH just had a mazine idea armoured umbrellas for people in the lower stand ............... :noid What if you took the lowest stand away and build more stands around the circuit this way people will have a better view and a larger area for debris to fly into that wont cause issues .
The risk maybe low but the results could be horrific . Risk assessments (which i've had a lot of experience in when handling deadly chemicals) often say the chance of something going wrong is very low but then the effect can be very dangerous (or deadly when I was handling ammonium sulphate) . It's the old what if thing .
side note here: how is handling ammonium sulfate deadly?
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in the concentration I was spraying (as an ingredient of a fire retardant) it could melt your lungs or if you spilled the bottle the fumes would burn your lung walls . pretty nasty stuff .
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this was my closest association with NASCAR
http://youtu.be/GAcMqFTkAs8
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Well i just hope people got their giggles in for now, I just got word from my sister my brother in law and nephew were at the race and they were 2 of the 28 injured. My brother in law suffered lacerations to his head requiring 10 staples and my nephew requires 13 stitches in his neck. Though they were not injured severely this shows that no matter what, or where you go you can get hurt. The people from NASCAR and Daytona have been super gracious and they have already told them their medical treatment and expenses are covered by the track and NASCAR. Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, Little E and many other members of teams came by the hospital to see if they were OK.
Kyle Larson stopped in to see all involved and from what my nephew said he was more worried about them than himself, he did suffer some injuries in the crash.
As per safety at a track, NASCAR has a high thought of safety. I was a track safety firefighter in NHIS and we were responsible not only for the racers but we were responsible for the fans safety. What happened at Daytona was a "freak" accident. They had cars get into the fence before and this never happened, look at the truck race where Geoff Bodine did approx the same thing. When Carl Edwards went airborne into the fence and people were hurt they changed the way the fence was constructed. Granted at times it seems like they are a re-active to safety but they are also proactive on the most part.
Sorry bout the rant but I just couldn't sit idly by while immature comments were made, just remember, those hurt, have family members too.
LawnDart
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Well i just hope people got their giggles in for now, I just got word from my sister my brother in law and nephew were at the race and they were 2 of the 28 injured. My brother in law suffered lacerations to his head requiring 10 staples and my nephew requires 13 stitches in his neck. Though they were not injured severely this shows that no matter what, or where you go you can get hurt. The people from NASCAR and Daytona have been super gracious and they have already told them their medical treatment and expenses are covered by the track and NASCAR. Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, Little E and many other members of teams came by the hospital to see if they were OK.
Kyle Larson stopped in to see all involved and from what my nephew said he was more worried about them than himself, he did suffer some injuries in the crash.
As per safety at a track, NASCAR has a high thought of safety. I was a track safety firefighter in NHIS and we were responsible not only for the racers but we were responsible for the fans safety. What happened at Daytona was a "freak" accident. They had cars get into the fence before and this never happened, look at the truck race where Geoff Bodine did approx the same thing. When Carl Edwards went airborne into the fence and people were hurt they changed the way the fence was constructed. Granted at times it seems like they are a re-active to safety but they are also proactive on the most part.
Sorry bout the rant but I just couldn't sit idly by while immature comments were made, just remember, those hurt, have family members too.
LawnDart
Couldn't have said it better myself! Hopefully your brother-in-law and nephew make good recoveries from their injuries and continue to go to races and enjoy the great sport (yes, I said SPORT).
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Josh
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Praying for a swift recovery lanwdart :pray
I have to wait till Richmond before i see any racing, ide like to get down to Daytona one day :old:
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I don't usually get involved in flame wars like this is turning into, but honestly it looks like RPM loves racing, and is using guilt-trip tactics to defend it. In my opinion he is taking it too far, but I just ignore that sort of thing.
After all, all fan-boi's must die, and that includes NASCAR.
I called them out for joking when there were people injured. Red apologized saying he didn't realize. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2013/03/02/nascar-daytona-crash-investigation-fence/1958975/
Nascar is looking at the access gate where the wreck happened. From video evidence, most debris, including the tire, came through the breach in the fence.
What i thought was a piece of debris (tire) going over the fence, was actually through and flying upward on the other side of the fence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjROJlTRvGA
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About every 4th baseball game I have attended over my lifetime features at one instance of EMT taking people to the hospital after taking a foul ball to the domepiece.
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What i thought was a piece of debris (tire) going over the fence, was actually through and flying upward on the other side of the fence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjROJlTRvGA
I thought the same thing. Now that you see it again they need to beef up the fence. It went through that chain link fence like a hot knife through butter.