NASCAR Nationwide Wreck

[Masherbrum]

So you can't even do left turns then?

Post of the Month.   Even Hilts is laughing at that one.   

[rpm]

Post of the Month.   Even Hilts is laughing at that one.   

Yes on 1. No on 2. 

[ALFAMEGA51]

Grow up, will you?























They're making ANOOTHERR left tuuuuuurn!

 

[Banshee7]

Sprint cars have better wrecks IMHO.

http://youtu.be/qVyawjr9m-c?t=14s

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God, how many of those I've witnessed!  I am usually at a dirt track every weekend from April-September (my buddy runs late models and modifieds), and I've seen some pretty bad wrecks.  I actually saw a sprint car leave the track, go through the fence, and flip into the parking lot in Malden, MO.  Of all the accidents I've seen, I've never seen anyone seriously hurt, fan or driver.  What people don't realize are the dangers in racing for both the drivers and spectators.  It's very easy for parts to fly into the crowd, even more so during wrecks.  I saw the wreck when it happened on TV and was hoping everyone was ok, as I know how much damage flying parts can cause!

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Josh

[Babalonian]

at the time of posting I did not know anyone was injured, I doubt ALFA did either, apologies to all

When there is no excuse, begging for one is pathetic. 

With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.


Extremely unfortunate incident, I hope much is to be learned from it going forward and that most the wounds will heal quickly for the victims and their friends and families.   


Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection.  You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race.  I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).

[RedBull1]

When there is no excuse, begging for one is pathetic. 

With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.

Not sure what you mean here. No one is begging for anything, and I am not sticking my foot in my mouth I was commenting on something unrelated to the specific incident at hand, I also apologized, so what's the problem now?

[NatCigg]

With age comes the wisdom of waiting, even just a couple minutes, before shoving your foot so far up your mouth you have to see a proctologist to get it removed.

     LOL 

Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection.  You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race.  I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).

     What 
  Let me try again.

Personaly, I've never understood why they just let them race faster, but put the stands and spectators infield, with the deeper you go the greater their massing and protection.  You can move the pits out or keep them front and low-stage center (like a bull pen), just price and market the seats infront of the pit and the ones not infront but closer to the race.  I've had one friend describe to me their opinion of how the bandstands and spectators are placed and positioned in a way that guerentees the participants/racers will have something soft to crash into when they ineveitabley catapult off the track (and their disbelief that people would actualy pay to be there, and usualy pay more for the faster and more hazardous teh race would be).

....What are you saying?  Are you sure?  Did all your thoughts translate to type without some being lost? I dont get it. 

Redbull.....shhhhhht.   

[Weirdguy]

Not sure what you mean here. No one is begging for anything, and I am not sticking my foot in my mouth I was commenting on something unrelated to the specific incident at hand, I also apologized, so what's the problem now?

I don't usually get involved in flame wars like this is turning into, but honestly it looks like RPM loves racing, and is using guilt-trip tactics to defend it.  In my opinion he is taking it too far, but I just ignore that sort of thing.

After all, all fan-boi's must die, and that includes NASCAR.

[Ack-Ack]

Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.

Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash

ack-ack

[B4Buster]

Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.

Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash

ack-ack

........wow.

[nrshida]

Got to love the Taiwanese news version of the crash.

Blood-Filled Taiwanese Animation Of Saturday's Huge NASCAR Crash

  OMG, I think that was SHawk that got hit by the wheel! Are you alright buddy?   

[B3YT]

What an EPIC video......On a serious note . I was asking in an online discussion about Nascar and safety. I wouldn't want to go watch a race as there doesn't appear to be much room for error to keep the debris off the crowd . The safety barrier worked but not completely and the number of almost going over the cage was just scary.  Low behold I got told that I was stupid and that Nascar was THE safest motorsport ever (?)  .   How would some of you guys change things .  It seems only the super race ways has this problem . Would it be better to have the crowd inside the track and the pits to the outside?  That way the cars are more likely to not hit anyone in an accident as there wont be anyone there and the crowd will have a better view .   

[danny76]

So you can't even do left turns then?

Dammit, coffee everywhere

[NatCigg]

What an EPIC video......On a serious note . I was asking in an online discussion about Nascar and safety. I wouldn't want to go watch a race as there doesn't appear to be much room for error to keep the debris off the crowd .

     Yes debris fly into the crowd.  mostly sheet metal, but, obviously, larger parts do too.  best seats are up top anyway. (anyone who has been to a race knows up front is where its loud and debris are thrown your way constantly; rubber and rocks, brake rotors, not so much .)

The safety barrier worked but not completely and the number of almost going over the cage was just scary.  

     If they release a final review, I will be looking to see if the gate in the fence (used for people to cross the track) had a major role in the breech of the structure.  Although, even if the fence did hold, the tire and other parts that flew over the fence were possibly more dangerous.  Will they extend the overhang of the safety fence?  Im still shocked i have not seen anyone die, in 20+ years, as a result of the debris that goes over the fence.

Low behold I got told that I was stupid and that Nascar was THE safest motorsport ever (?)  .

     I think we should all be humbled by the obvious smack in the face that motorsports are not safe.  kind of like watching a plane crash, we know its not safe, yet we continue to do it, and thats ok.

How would some of you guys change things .  It seems only the super race ways has this problem .

     High speeds provide the force for debris to fly over the catch fence and cars to snap 2 inch steal cable structures.  unfortunately, slower cars is not so fun.  Also, the trend in nascar is for more, larger tracks, that support more fans and more speed.  

     Another problem with the super tracks like daytona is that the engines have been restricted to the point that the race is more of a race against the Air resistance to the car/s versus engine power and traction.  Therefore, the race becomes a giant pack of cars, where a lack of separation of cars increases the likelyhood of a wreck.  And given the speed of around 200 mph, bad things can happen.  They did this because the advancements in racing had drivers going over 212mph in the 80's (without modern advancements), risking the drivers health in the event of a crash.  F1 has been dealing with this problem of too much speed and deaths of drivers also.  

    Maybe one thing to change would be how nascar slows the cars down.  give the tires less grip or the car less downforce so that the cars must slow more in the corner.  I dont know, its a tough call, and what nascar has done has probably saved some lives, but it has also lost some.

    Extending the overhang of the fence is another option, if it is possible.

Would it be better to have the crowd inside the track and the pits to the outside?  That way the cars are more likely to not hit anyone in an accident as there wont be anyone there and the crowd will have a better view .  

    the best view is when you can see the entire race.  move the grandstands back could be an unrealistic option.  I think I will come full circle at this point, racing is dangerous, stuff happens, if a tire comes your way duck out of the way and next time show up a little earlier and get a better seat, one thats a little more out of the way, possibly at home .

[nrshida]

Surely the future of Nascar is clear. All future racing vehicles will be made from highly modified racing buses with huge roll cages and 25 racing seats and harnesses each. The spectators will ride along IN the race. It's the safest place for them.