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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FLOOB on March 04, 2013, 07:41:17 AM
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You shoot the wing off of a plane. The plane hits the water breaking a bunch of other parts off yet not hard enough to kill the pilot and as you fly right over the top of the wingless, tailless floating junk that used to be an airplane the pilot ends sortie. But you get no kill, even though by all standards except this game's you shot him down and destroyed an enemy aircraft. Now that's some jive bellybutton stuff. Boooo.
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if this happened inside his country's dar ring then he gets credit for a ditch in friendly territory, and that doesnt count as him being shot down (feel free to correct me if I am misunderstanding the mechanics here)
Now if he was outside his dar ring you should by all means get credit for the kill.
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How about when you blow a plane up and still get no kill or assist then? been happening to me a fair bit since my return.
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I have seen that happen too, that one is very frustrating.
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If you destroy/sink an enemy airplane it should count as a kill regardless of where it happens on the map. Not that it should matter, but he ditched within the dar ring of my country's base and within the dar ring of his country's aircraft carrier.
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Now if he was outside his dar ring you should by all means get credit for the kill.
Not that it should matter, but he ditched within the dar ring of my country's base and within the dar ring of his country's aircraft carrier.
Just to clarify: The dar ring does not matter. It only depends on the ownership of the closest base. Thats's why you can get a ditch well outside your own radar ring as well as a "captured" inside your own side's radar ring.
In this case the enemy was simply going down on a point closer to his CV than your base.
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How about when you blow a plane up and still get no kill or assist then? been happening to me a fair bit since my return.
Me to.
This never happend two years ago but when i came back about a year ago this happens ALL the time.Wish they would admit there is an issue and fix it.
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Wish they would admit there is an issue and fix it.
To "admit" an issue you must know about it first. I suppose you have sent in the films?
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My tertiary whine is that all too often I absolutely smash a plane that has no visible (at least from D200) damage, tear it to pieces, and get an assist.
I guess it's just been one of those tours so far, but nailing a plane that is perfectly capable of fighting with a 37mm and getting an assist is pants.
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To "admit" an issue you must know about it first. I suppose you have sent in the films?
Players have been complaining on game for a long time ,if they don't know about it they need to spend more time around the actual game.
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Players have been complaining on game for a long time
Players complain about a lot of things, many of them not happening the way the players claim.
Somewhat more substance is always helpful, such as a bug report (in the proper forum) with a lot of more details, or most preferable: a film, which would actually show if there is an issue or not.
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Players complain about a lot of things, many of them not happening the way the players claim.
Somewhat more substance is always helpful, such as a bug report (in the proper forum) with a lot of more details, or most preferable: a film, which would actually show if there is an issue or not.
Right on. ;)
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Just to clarify: The dar ring does not matter. It only depends on the ownership of the closest base. Thats's why you can get a ditch well outside your own radar ring as well as a "captured" inside your own side's radar ring.
In this case the enemy was simply going down on a point closer to his CV than your base.
Good to know, thanks for clarifying!
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If you're under 150 mph, and minimal decent rate, you can easily set the plane on the ground for a ditch.
You'll see this a lot around bases being vulched as people will shoot my wing off at 100mph+ with me less than 20 feet off the ground. In most cases, if you can keep it nose high you'll slide to a stop and be able to exit.
Solution, don't stop firing until the enemy has exploded. :cheers:
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As an example, if you vulch someone who is still rolling down the runway and they simply tumble around and manage to survive to .ef from the plane and end the sortie, you will not get a kill nor an assist. That is to say, if a pilot can manage to 'ditch', then the player(s) who was/were shooting at him will not get anything for that effort.
To get the kill credit, you have to be the one who did the most damage to a plane, at the time the plane reaches its critical level of damage. To get an assist, you did less damage than someone else, while the plane had not reached its critical level of damage. To all of that, the pilot of the damaged airplane cannot manage to ditch.
A plane may still be in the air after reaching its critical level of damage. A pilot firing at a plane which has reached its critical level of damage will not be awarded anything, regardless of all other criteria.
If you feel your kill/assist falls within the current requirements, feel free to send us a film of that sortie.
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I came in low chasing buffs that made landing before I could hit them so a guy in a 109k4 launched and tried for the HO and then got shot up on his first turn.
I pursued him and watched almost every part come off his plane and he get's a ditch to immediately respawn on the runway, end flight, respawn to collect the proxy from the ack damage I received shooting him down.
Fun film and it's obvious one on this thread knows how this works and will game it to his advantage.
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I came in low chasing buffs that made landing before I could hit them so a guy in a 109k4 launched and tried for the HO and then got shot up on his first turn.
I pursued him and watched almost every part come off his plane and he get's a ditch to immediately respawn on the runway, end flight, respawn to collect the proxy from the ack damage I received shooting him down.
Fun film and it's obvious one on this thread knows how this works and will game it to his advantage.
As the "someone" was me...
1. You shot off half wing of my 109 and I went down, with very little control left. With deploying flaps and gear I was barely able to prevent a crash.
2. I spawned again to for a second round. When I started to roll I saw you were coming in for the vulch. I'm not going to let anyone vulch on the runway if there's a way to prevent that. Or should i have let you vulching me?
3. Then I spawned a third time at a different spot to fight you again, but a second later you died in the ack.
So where exactly did I "game" it to my advantage?
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So where exactly did I "game" it to my advantage?
You are taking unfair advantage of your psychic powers.
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You are taking unfair advantage of your psychic powers.
Yes I agree, he was using his mind to force Icepac back and forth through the ack KNOWING he would get the kill...... eventually. :noid
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You are taking unfair advantage of your psychic powers.
(http://www.adventureson.com/bbcart/images/prods/Yu-Gi-Oh-The-Duelist-Genesis-Psychic-Snail.jpg)
:noid
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You had zero intent of taking off, spawned at d600 of my 12, .ef, and respawn on opposite end to collect proxy when the ack got me.
I know....I watched the plane in front of me appear translucent and disappear.
2. I spawned again to for a second round. When I started to roll I saw you were coming in for the vulch. I'm not going to let anyone vulch on the runway if there's a way to prevent that. Or should i have let you vulching me?
3. Then I spawned a third time at a different spot to fight you again, but a second later you died in the ack.
Note the highlighted part. Why should I have started to move down the runway If I never had the intention to take off?
You knew you were spawning at d600 in front of me because it was your intent to do exactly what you did for a pathetic proxy.
I got past that kind of behavior back in 1995.
You are just whining because your vulch failed. You should have gotten past that 'pathetic behaviour' in '95 as well. ;)
And I should get past the habit of reacting to trolls. Well, it's never too late to start I guess.
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Is the system's definition of critical damage the same as when the icon disappears?
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You are just whining because your vulch failed.
Bingo.
Next time you better sit there and get vulched, Snail.
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I came in low chasing buffs that made landing before I could hit them so a guy in a 109k4 launched and tried for the HO and then got shot up on his first turn.
I pursued him and watched almost every part come off his plane and he get's a ditch to immediately respawn on the runway, end flight, respawn to collect the proxy from the ack damage I received shooting him down.
Fun film and it's obvious one on this thread knows how this works and will game it to his advantage.
a whine has been recorded
why don't you post the 'fun film'?
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i thought a few years ago aslong as the plane had a enemy icon and you hit it with your rounds even if its missing critical parts you would still get a assist/kill for hitting said plane?
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i thought a few years ago aslong as the plane had a enemy icon and you hit it with your rounds even if its missing critical parts you would still get a assist/kill for hitting said plane?
Yes, a few years ago it worked that way. That's how much of killstealing happened, players would dive after and fire at enemy planes going down missing one wing, becasue there was a chance they would actually get the kill credit.
And that's why it was changed.
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Spawn, EF, Spawn, EF to collect a proxy.
You had zero intent of taking off, spawned at d600 of my 12, .ef, and respawn on opposite end to collect proxy when the ack got me.
I know....I watched the plane in front of me appear translucent and disappear.
You knew you were spawning at d600 in front of me because it was your intent to do exactly what you did for a pathetic proxy.
I got past that kind of behavior back in 1995.
Sounds like someone is crying because they messed up a simple vulch.
ack-ack
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Spawn, EF, Spawn, EF to collect a proxy.
You had zero intent of taking off, spawned at d600 of my 12, .ef, and respawn on opposite end to collect proxy when the ack got me.
I know....I watched the plane in front of me appear translucent and disappear.
You knew you were spawning at d600 in front of me because it was your intent to do exactly what you did for a pathetic proxy.
I got past that kind of behavior back in 1995.
mayhap you could focus your endeavors on airborne planes
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I was already pointing at his plane that he ditched at the end of the runway so, when he respawned instantly, I was already pointed at the plane that suddenly appeared.....the disappeared.....the reappeared......then disappeared....then reappeared on the opposite end of the runway.
Do you really think snailman was doing anything other than that?
Do you think he's dumb enough to "accidently" spawn multiple times where he knows a plane is d600 pointed at the exact spawn point because it had just got done shooting his previous plane down?
No, he's not that dumb.
I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.
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I was already pointing at his plane that he ditched at the end of the runway so, when he respawned instantly, I was already pointed at the plane that suddenly appeared.....the disappeared.....the reappeared......then disappeared....then reappeared on the opposite end of the runway.
Do you really think snailman was doing anything other than that?
Do you think he's dumb enough to "accidently" spawn multiple times where he knows a plane is d600 pointed at the exact spawn point because it had just got done shooting his previous plane down?
No, he's not that dumb.
I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.
Why don't you post the film?
You're always referring to all these in game films you've made, which supposedly support your multitude of BS claims, but you never actually post them :headscratch:
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Is the system's definition of critical damage the same as when the icon disappears?
I think the icon disappears when the pilot dies, or bails from the plane.
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I was already pointing at his plane that he ditched at the end of the runway so, when he respawned instantly, I was already pointed at the plane that suddenly appeared.....the disappeared.....the reappeared......then disappeared....then reappeared on the opposite end of the runway.
Do you really think snailman was doing anything other than that?
Do you think he's dumb enough to "accidently" spawn multiple times where he knows a plane is d600 pointed at the exact spawn point because it had just got done shooting his previous plane down?
No, he's not that dumb.
I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.
Do you think it would be dumb to fly around in base ack and complain when you get shot down? :headscratch:
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Players have been complaining on game for a long time ,if they don't know about it they need to spend more time around the actual game.
People complain about EVERYTHING. And the problem you are complaining about is only a couple years old. It's a fix that started when they made it harder to steal a kill.
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What bugs me more is the "race to the ground" - you're fighting multiple enemies, you blow one's wing or tail off, but you get no credit for the kill because his friend kills you before the dead guy finishes fluttering and spinning to the ground. (this also happens with HOs and collisions, but if you're HOing and colliding with the enemy you can't really complain about the consequences.)
But any game is going to have ways to game it - as was pointed out, the problem that the "critical damage" functionality was brought in to solve (i.e. six people blazing away at wingless planes hoping to do enough damage to get the kill) was much worse.
And seriously, if you're vulching an enemy field and your victim manages to tower out, you've got no basis to complain. And if he re-ups and you get killed by ack trying to strafe him before his wheels are off the ground, you've really got no basis to complain.
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Spawn, EF, Spawn, EF to collect a proxy.
You had zero intent of taking off, spawned at d600 of my 12, .ef, and respawn on opposite end to collect proxy when the ack got me.
I know....I watched the plane in front of me appear translucent and disappear.
You knew you were spawning at d600 in front of me because it was your intent to do exactly what you did for a pathetic proxy.
I got past that kind of behavior back in 1995.
Come on, he spawnd to kill you. It's obvious this wasn't an attempt to collect a proxy. If it was me, I would have done exactly the same thing in his shoes. So I could chase down the guy who took my wing off.
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(http://www.adventureson.com/bbcart/images/prods/Yu-Gi-Oh-The-Duelist-Genesis-Psychic-Snail.jpg)
:noid
:rofl :huh :aok
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Do you think it would be dumb to fly around in base ack and complain when you get shot down? :headscratch:
DING DING DING DING! we have a winner! :banana:
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I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.
Like how you "clearly" saw me bail from bombers? You turned out to be wrong on that one didn't you?
ack-ack
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Like how you "clearly" saw me bail from bombers? You turned out to be wrong on that one didn't you?
ack-ack
Yep, wrong one.
That said, you are akak in game and ack-ack here while someone else is ackack in game and akak here.
Very easy to confuse and almost seems that way by design.
As far as spawning to kill me?.............you don't spawn and .ef twice with your back to the enemy at D600 unless you are gaming the game.
No need for me to go through a bunch of 3 hour films to find it because snailman did not deny the spawn/respawn.........just his reason for doing so.
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Jeez whiners.
All I was saying was that a destroyed plane should count as a plane destroyed.
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Jeez whiners.
All I was saying was that a destroyed plane should count as a plane destroyed.
not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.
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not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.
No. All contenders in wwII counted planes that were destroyed as planes destroyed. The fate of the pilot was immaterial, although in my example he would've likely drowned.
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No. All contenders in wwII counted planes that were destroyed as planes destroyed. The fate of the pilot was immaterial, although in my example he would've likely drowned.
...and if he DIDN'T survive the crash he NEVER played again. See the difference? This is a game and it is played with different rules thats all.
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not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.
You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.
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You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.
I think you may be misunderstanding here. This is a game, "IF" someone ditches they didn't "die" so you can't have a kill. All the numbers have to match, it's all or nothing in a game. Computers are 1's and 0's. Have you checked the scores? They have nothing in there about how many planes you shot down, only kills. If you don't kill you don't get credit for a kill. Again, this IS NOT WWII so those rules don't apply.
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You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.
Disagree-- by 1945, Axis had plenty of good aircraft, but no trained pilots to fly them, nor extra gas to train noobs...losing the plane was inconsequential
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As far as spawning to kill me?.............you don't spawn and .ef twice with your back to the enemy at D600 unless you are gaming the game.
No need for me to go through a bunch of 3 hour films to find it because snailman did not deny the spawn/respawn.
You should read my statement again.
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You should read my statement again.
Why Lusche?? Everyone knows you just wanted to pad your score with a proxie.... :rolleyes:
:salute
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I think you may be misunderstanding here. This is a game, "IF" someone ditches they didn't "die" so you can't have a kill. All the numbers have to match, it's all or nothing in a game. Computers are 1's and 0's. Have you checked the scores? They have nothing in there about how many planes you shot down, only kills. If you don't kill you don't get credit for a kill. Again, this IS NOT WWII so those rules don't apply.
i think you misunderstand.. when a badguy bails from a damaged plane, he lives possibly, but the shooter still gets a kill.. 8)
but i do agree, if you can ditch your plane in a friendly area without dying, the badguy doesn't deserve the kill..
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Why Lusche?? Everyone knows you just wanted to pad your score with a proxie.... :rolleyes:
:salute
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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i think you misunderstand.. when a badguy bails from a damaged plane, he lives possibly, but the shooter still gets a kill.. 8)
but i do agree, if you can ditch your plane in a friendly area without dying, the badguy doesn't deserve the kill..
First off, I'm not voicing an opinion here, I'm just saying it how it is.
Your right, if the critical level has been hit and the guy bails you get the kill, but then the "bailer" has "given up the ghost" as far as that flight is concerned anyway right? No reward for riding a chute down, but if you can get it landed.......
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As far as spawning to kill me?.............you don't spawn and .ef twice with your back to the enemy at D600 unless you are gaming the game.
He had time to do this TWICE when you were at a distance of 600? I find that odd since you would either have to be in a Storch or weather balloon. not to have past him before he even got the 'e' in '.ef' typed in the first time. I think your post is growing mushrooms...
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Disagree-- by 1945, Axis had plenty of good aircraft, but no trained pilots to fly them, nor extra gas to train noobs...losing the plane was inconsequential
I'm confused. What exactly did I type in that quote that you disagree with?
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I think you may be misunderstanding here. This is a game, "IF" someone ditches they didn't "die" so you can't have a kill. All the numbers have to match, it's all or nothing in a game. Computers are 1's and 0's. Have you checked the scores? They have nothing in there about how many planes you shot down, only kills. If you don't kill you don't get credit for a kill. Again, this IS NOT WWII so those rules don't apply.
What? if someone ditches you certainly can be awarded a kill. WTF? Seariously, you've never ditched and got a "so-n-so shot you down" message? That's a kill my friend.
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What? if someone ditches you certainly can be awarded a kill. WTF? Seariously, you've never ditched and got a "so-n-so shot you down" message? That's a kill my friend.
Only if you "ditch" in enemy territory, then you are captured and a kill is awarded.
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First off, I'm not voicing an opinion here, I'm just saying it how it is.
Your right, if the critical level has been hit and the guy bails you get the kill, but then the "bailer" has "given up the ghost" as far as that flight is concerned anyway right? No reward for riding a chute down, but if you can get it landed.......
You don't need to hit a critical level on a plane to get the kill if he bails, actually you don't even need to hit him if you're close enough to him when he bails.
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Only if you "ditch" in enemy territory, then you are captured and a kill is awarded.
Exactly. You don't need to be killed to give someone a kill.
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What? if someone ditches you certainly can be awarded a kill. WTF? Seariously, you've never ditched and got a "so-n-so shot you down" message? That's a kill my friend.
If you end flight on the ground while in the plane (ditch) you will get a you have ditched message if you are on the ground ditched and exit the plane ( hit enter ) you will get X X player shot you down
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i think you misunderstand.. when a badguy bails from a damaged plane, he lives possibly, but the shooter still gets a kill.. 8)
but i do agree, if you can ditch your plane in a friendly area without dying, the badguy doesn't deserve the kill..
Yes but there is a difference between nursing your plane back to friendly territory and getting shot down.
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Exactly. You don't need to be killed to give someone a kill.
Think of it as your country being able to recover the aircraft (or what's left of it). If your aircraft is in friendly territory and recoverable, then you did not award a kill to an enemy.
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If you end flight on the ground while in the plane (ditch) you will get a you have ditched message if you are on the ground ditched and exit the plane ( hit enter ) you will get X X player shot you down
Nope. If you ditch and .ef near an enemy base, and there is an enemy near, and or your plane has been shot and the shooter is still alive = player shot you down.
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Pand read the statement that I was responding to. You're trying to tell me the same thing I'm trying to tell someone else.
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Maybe that explains it, I spend most of my time defending at a friendly base so if I'm not killed I get ditches. Happens quite often. I can't remember the last time someone got a kill on me when I ditched.
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Maybe that explains it, I spend most of my time defending at a friendly base so if I'm not killed I get ditches. Happens quite often. I can't remember the last time someone got a kill on me when I ditched.
So.. you're an ack hugger? :O :bolt: :devil. HOw far out is friendly? Does that include an area around the gv spawns or are they not factored in atall?
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I'm confused. What exactly did I type in that quote that you disagree with?
mine's more an RL thing--you placed emphasis on wrecking the plane, irrespective of the pilot. In fact, the pilot was far more important
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mine's more an RL thing--you placed emphasis on wrecking the plane, irrespective of the pilot. In fact, the pilot was far more important
I didn't place emphasis on anything. I said that in wwII, victories were awarded for destroying airplanes not pilots. Didn't matter if the vanquished pilot bailed, died or sprouted wings, the victor still got a kill on his record.
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I have a question about getting credit for a kill when the enemy ditches. I put rounds into an enemy and he ditches, sometimes I get the kill, more often I do not. When I do get credit is that because he received critical damage? In either instance my opponents are successful in crash landing and exiting from flight.
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You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.
Hence, my 'disagreement'
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I have a question about getting credit for a kill when the enemy ditches. I put rounds into an enemy and he ditches, sometimes I get the kill, more often I do not. When I do get credit is that because he received critical damage? In either instance my opponents are successful in crash landing and exiting from flight.
As explained elsewhere, it hinges on WHERE this happens. GV's seem to be an entirely different set of rules though
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Has anyone told FLOOB that we're not really in WWII, and this is actually just a computer game? :old:
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For those of you who are relatively new here, the reason they implemented the "critical damage" feature was to eliminate people from shooting at wingless airplanes as they fell to the ground and stealing the kill from the person who did the kill shot. The way the model used to work, you could take someone's wing off and their plane would be un-flyable, but if someone came along and killed the pilot, or did a ton of damage to other parts of the plane before the plane hit the ground, they would get the kill because they technically did more damage even though the plane already had catastrophic damage. This is not a new issue that you just discovered...its been looked at and they have implemented their solution. Might not be perfect, but I bet you have ended up with many kills that would have otherwise been stolen from you in the past. It all evens out in the end.
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I said that in wwII, victories were awarded for destroying airplanes not pilots. Didn't matter if the vanquished pilot bailed, died or sprouted wings, the victor still got a kill on his record.
In WWII, if they were fighting over enemy territory, they had no way of knowing whether the vanquished pilot bailed, died or sprouted wings.
A lot of things about our scoring system are different from WWII. Not that there was any uniformity in the war - how many kills were awarded for downing a multi-engine bomber? If four pilots all shoot a plane and it goes down is that .25 kills for each pilot or one kill for one of them? (And IIRC the Japanese didn't even officially award or track kills for individual pilots.)
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Hence, my 'disagreement'
Well that is how kills were awarded in WWII, you understand that it's not my opinion right? I'm confused because you typed this. Disagree-- by 1945, Axis had plenty of good aircraft, but no trained pilots to fly them, nor extra gas to train noobs...losing the plane was inconsequential
As if I had typed something that disputed this.
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In WWII, if they were fighting over enemy territory, they had no way of knowing whether the vanquished pilot bailed, died or sprouted wings.
A lot of things about our scoring system are different from WWII. Not that there was any uniformity in the war - how many kills were awarded for downing a multi-engine bomber? If four pilots all shoot a plane and it goes down is that .25 kills for each pilot or one kill for one of them? (And IIRC the Japanese didn't even officially award or track kills for individual pilots.)
Invisible parachutes? How could they all be fighting over enemy territory? Think about it. Yes I'm aware of the nazi point system for dicke autos. And partial kills are awarded in aces high, it's called assist. If your point was that aces high point scoring system is not the same as any one countries WWII point system, then I'm not sure why you felt that you needed to make it, because everybody knows that and it's not really relevant to the topic.
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I believe the AH system closely follows the USAAF system of awarding kills and assists. I wonder how well a point system like the Luftwaffe used would work well within the game?
ack-ack
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I would think given enough time in the simulation, any kill model will be equal to all since it applies to all. However, each plane's damage model effect on kills, well that is whole new thread.
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Well that is how kills were awarded in WWII, you understand that it's not my opinion right? I'm confused because you typed this. As if I had typed something that disputed this.
it's a fairly insignificant thing, and I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but twice you've indicated destroying planes trumps destroying pilots, and I'm saying that isn't necessarily so. (certainly not in here, as a plane can be cut in two, but if it's in friendly territory and near the ground, you get nothing)
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it's a fairly insignificant thing, and I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but twice you've indicated destroying planes trumps destroying pilots, and I'm saying that isn't necessarily so. (certainly not in here, as a plane can be cut in two, but if it's in friendly territory and near the ground, you get nothing)
Not only that if its above a freindly base and ends up on concrete event if its beat to hell it will be a sucsessful landng
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it's a fairly insignificant thing, and I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but twice you've indicated destroying planes trumps destroying pilots, and I'm saying that isn't necessarily so. (certainly not in here, as a plane can be cut in two, but if it's in friendly territory and near the ground, you get nothing)
Well destroying planes trumps destroying pilots as far as being awarded kills in real life and in aces high. You can't get a kill if you don't destroy the airplane, but you can get a kill if you don't destroy the pilot. So yes as far as criteria for awarding victories, destroying the plane absolutely trumps destroying the pilot. But wasn't your first contention that the attrition of pilots was more damaging than the attrition of aircraft for the luftwaffe? Disagree-- by 1945, Axis had plenty of good aircraft, but no trained pilots to fly them, nor extra gas to train noobs...losing the plane was inconsequential
Which was strange because it didn't have anything to do with what I was talking about. Which was how victories were awarded to pilots. You seem to think that I'm saying losing planes is more damaging to a countries airforce than losing pilots.
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FLOOB, just for the record I, for one, understand your complaint and agree with you. If you shoot the plane down you should get the kill no matter where it happens. The game should be changed to give the shooter the credit for a kill and let the other guy get a ditch if he is able to crash land closer to his base. Both can win for their good effort.
EDIT: P.S. But that would improve customer satisfaction and puffy ack proves HTC doesn't want that. :D
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Pulled the below from "US AIR FORCE HISTORICAL RESEARCH AGENCY" is a very good read, check it out , as for the the ditch / landing see below:
Air Force (USAF) counted World War II aerial victory credits only for USAAF flyers, or Allied aviators who belonged to USAAF units. The action had to occur between December 7, 1941 and September 2, 1945. Only fighter pilots or members of night fighter crews were eligible. The enemy aircraft had to be airborne, heavier than air, manned, and armed. Destruction involved shooting an enemy aircraft down, causing the pilot to bail out, intentionally ramming the airplane to make it crash, or maneuvering it into the ground or water. If the enemy airplane landed, despite its degree of damage, it was not counted as destroyed.
I would propose that a ditch by its definition would mean to put the aircraft into water, therefore different from a landing, although HTC definition of a ditch would also include solid ground, which I could not find any definition to support, but my research was inadequate and short.
HL
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This was credited as a "kill".
(http://www.roygrinnell.com/gallery/aviation_art/ww2/yeagers_first_jet.jpg)
This was not and the original reason for my posting on this thread.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8537128720_9914d6d85b_b.jpg)
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That one dead plane yo.
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this has happend to me many times ware i blow up a guy and dont get an assist or a kill
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Still no film to show Lusche supposedly 'gaming the game' to earn a proxy from you
This is my surprised face :rolleyes:
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Still no film to show Lusche supposedly 'gaming the game' to earn a proxy from you
How dare you be skeptical and not take his word for it! For shame sir, for shame!
ack-ack
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Kills are like Doritos, they will always make more. In the meantime, I suggest shooting better :D