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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: homersipes on April 16, 2013, 07:48:24 PM
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a couple weeks ago someone tried to break into my garage, had my sled and boat and all my tools in it then. One of the neighbors up the road had a bunch of gas stolen out of his garage, another house was broken into up the road less than half a mile from here, and last night my neighbor had his dirtbike stolen from inbetween our houses. I live outside of the big part of town, but still in town so I am thinking its someone close by. So my plan is to park both vehicles down in my field where they cant bee seen and leave my garage door open, put my sled up front and my 3 wheeler out next to the road and sit and see if anyone stops :devil :devil now we are scared to leave our daughters toys outside, or for that matter leave the house at all. they tried to break in in the daylight, so they have balls of steel. Went and bought a lock so I could chain my boat to the fence, now I am scared that they will try to push it over the bank that's behind our house :uhoh would trash it if they did
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Call the State Police if the local PD is not helping. They have several tools that they can use to see who comes by uninvited. Be sure to mention you have had repeat offenses and are afraid for your safety. That should guarantee a response.
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Many baby monitors have infra-red LEDs and see passably well in the dark, so you could set one up in your garage and then sit quietly inside watching the monitor with the baby monitor volume turned way up so you don't have to stare at it all night. Someone ends up in your garage, walk in and if he's facing you, shoot him. If there are multiple people, shoot anyone facing you while shouting to your imaginary backup to "get the other guy", to make sure anyone you don't shoot will end up running.
If you want to use "bait", leave your garage door open about a foot.
Use a shotgun to make sure you get some hits. Wal-Mart often has a cheap Mossberg 12-ga pump on sale for under $150, and shotgun shells seem to be the only ammo still on the shelves.
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:rofl :rofl
yes the state police have been notified, had 2 sheriffs out at my house and 1 at my neighbors, they just take a report and that's it. kinda irritating. I told the cop if I catch them they wont be happy lol I never thought about a baby monitor, but I was thinking about taking a webcam and hooking it up to my old laptop for a cheapo camera setup
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Actually what you most likely have is kids. What you need to do is of course 1st-contact your local PD, 2nd-Don't follow what eagl says :rofl, 3rd-Ask around and let the other neighbors know what happen to your garage.
What I would do is ask around if a group of teenagers might be doing drugs. Stealing is how they get their money. Usually they are easy to spot. Look for a rental home/apartment with a lot of young adults going in and out. I just saw a episode of "World's Worst Tenants" and a lot of stolen items were discovered in an apartment on the show.
Please do keep us informed, chances are the problem won't go away by itself. Do setup a webcam and maybe hide the expensive/important stuff. They may hit people's houses next.
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right I mean if they are willing to try and break in during the daylight, who knows if they might try and break into my HOUSE or someone elses house. or steal a car. yes I agree its probably "kids". yeah there was a daycare office that was converted to low income housing about 2 months ago :headscratch:hmmm coincidence? probably not lol. kinda scares me to go to work and leave the wife and kid at home, although she is just as good of a shot as me :D
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I've been burgled a few times and it is always in broad daylight. I'm positive it's safer for the thief as they can tell if anybody is home. (Ring doorbell with some excuse.) And if nobody is home then they are probably at work. I'd be more escared of a night time burglar. It is a total pain in the ass, my sympathies.
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well also call a good attorney if anybody gets hurt while you are baiting. specially when you post about your intent.
semp
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yuppers its a royal PITFA got my boat loced to a fence, pick up all daughters toys and lock them in the shed. sucks all the way around as I expect to get home at some point to have my house been broken into. lol sad but true, if they get hurt breaking into house by even a broken window, can sue you :headscratch:
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In the UK burglars fall down stairs a lot :old:
If you steal peoples things you should goto jail for 40 years :old:
Of course you should inform said people first its only fair, and obviously they can not complain afterwards because they were aware what would happen.
Then again its rather harsh on said unfortunates :old:
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Most important thing is going to be good quality cameras recording. Especially if it is kids. You don't want to get into a he said she said situation. Also do not remove the recoding device. Call the PD and let them come and get it so they can establish a chain of evidence. I would also casually let it be known around that you are using video surveillance at your place and put up a few signs mentioning this in your yard. Burglars are not scared of alarms but they are scared of being caught on tape.
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I laugh at those that think the Police will be much help. :rofl :rolleyes:
My house was broken into while my wife was at the store for 30 min.
She called 911 when she got back as there was a possibility the thief was still there. As she waited outside I arrived home from work after she had called me and was there a good 45 min before the first cop arrived.
They dusted for fingerprints and filled out some papers and left. I took it apon myself to search local pawnshops and managed to find some of her antique Jewelery. We got some back and found out who the perp was as they were caught on camera at the bank next to the Pawnshop.
BTW most pawnshops are scum and not willing to help you until you state there is a police investigation ongoing. They know the stuff is stolen when they give 40 bucks for a 1000 dollar ring. :furious
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BTW most pawnshops are scum and not willing to help you until you state there is a police investigation ongoing. They know the stuff is stolen when they give 40 bucks for a 1000 dollar ring. :furious
I wonder about the pawnshops myself. I see this issue on various TV programs. Drug addicts steal and sell stuff to the pawnshops for a quick fix.
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One of my burgles I got some stuff back from a pawn shop, the thief had used his real ID to pawn it so I think I got it back because it was evidence. Here in screw loose Oregon if your stuff shows up in a pawn shop it's a civil matter and you have to reimburse the pawn for the money they let out if you want your stuff back. As far as I am concerned pawnshops are nothing but legal fences. As long as they submit a form with a cryptic description "Makita type drill" and obey a short delay before selling there are no consequences to handling stolen merch.
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Buy a surveillance system from Newegg for 250 and be done with it . I love mine . I see all kind's of stuff around 3 in the morning out here in the sticks . There great .
Pawnshop's should be out lawed ! and they would be if the police did not use them to catch people .
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A dead perp in your garage isn't going to be doing any he said she said... Just sayin.
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Another idea is installing motion lights. Convenient and scare the dirt bags away.
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:D the good thing about here in the sticks in Vermont is that there aren't many pawn shops, 1 that I can think of, and its in new Hampshire. I have to agree with ya eagle, but I cant do anything dumb like that now with a daughter :( , a coworker used to be a cop and he said holding someone at gunpoint could lead to trouble even if they were in my house. well there wouldn't be the need for that though if I caught em in my house. :devil yeah I am going to get a webcam and download(cant think of it right now) but its a program that's motion detected to record to a computer, and I got an old laptop that's doing nothing but sitting :D. its just dumb and the cops are like "yeah so what" they told my neighbor "its only a dirtbike" exact words, I witnessed it :mad: would love to just find out who it is.
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its just dumb and the cops are like "yeah so what" they told my neighbor "its only a dirtbike" exact words, I witnessed it :mad: would love to just find out who it is.
They always say stuff like that. If multiple people are reporting they'll be keeping there eyes out.
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A dog usually deters scum :old:
My German Shepard caught someone once, I was scared for the scum because said dog was a unusually big size for the breed the Vet said :old:
A guy at work caught some one coming down stairs with his TV after return from home from playing hockey with his mates, his mates were coming in for a beer which was not in the interest of said TV thief.
The said thief and his subsequent reeducation had no impact on my Pie dinner in no way or form :old:
40 years in jail "Would" deter said problem.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions :old:
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They always say stuff like that. If multiple people are reporting they'll be keeping there eyes out.
well we have had 8 homes broken into here, and within about 8 miles another town has had a bunch more. cops here are lazys :lol
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How come Doughnut shops are never robbed? :headscratch:
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I will also be bating this weekend
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Seems there are some serious Master Baiters here.
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^^^^^^ARRRR..beat me to it ^^^^^^^
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so the neighbor got his dirtbike back. it was found ditched by a treatment plant, they had ran out of gas and left it where it died. :aok unharmed. the cops have an idea of who it was, as he has done this before. Which would explain the trying to break in my garage, snowmobile and 4wheeler more likely the wheeler beings as there isn't any snow.
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Pay 1500$(24hr coverage) and I will do surveillance for you, when the perps show I will scream for help and hope for the best..or you could get online and purchase a 200$ cctv system..will make you and your love ones feel a bit safer and it will serve as a scare crow..lol..thieves don't wanna be on camera..get at least 2 motion sensor lights... are booby traps illegal to place on you own property?? I'm thinking Vietcong style traps
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I know it has already been stated, but be wery wery wery careful.
For all the obvious reasons and more all of us haven't thought about, but their attorneys have.
GL
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are booby traps illegal to place on you own property?? I'm thinking Vietcong style traps
Booby traps are illegal.
Here's a link for what it's worth [url][https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-columns/its-just-the-law/boobytrap-law//url]
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A dog well help too . You don't get out of your truck at my place unless you want to end up as hamburger meat and if you shoot one of my dog's I Will Shoot You . Got a sign that says so and that survivors well be reshot . So , I have no trouble . The cop's came by here yesterday looking for a kid that been taking stuff around the neighborhood . Seem my place is the only one not hit . So something is working .
Where I live I have to be carefull . I have allot of lost hunters come by looking to find there way but I can tell the difference . My dog's will not bite you if you have orange on or a gun on . Seems my dog's know if your hunting or not , lol .
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I ain't popping by there with whisky and pie without an invitation :aok
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Our neighborhood had a big string of thefts one spring.. We all knew exactly who they were.. Two guys would ride around our town during the day time pretending to be scrappers.. We don't get scrappers in our neighborhood, ever.. We aren't the type of neighborhood that "scraps" stuff, so it isn't normal to see a rusty Sanford and Son looking pick-up truck riding up and down our streets when most cars are late model SUVs, Trucks, or luxury cars..
I was out doing yard work one afternoon and noticed these "scrapper" guys staring at my barn.. I purposefully pulled my riding mower in there(usually put it in the garage) while they watched.. I left the side door open that night and they took the bait.... After they pulled away, I moved the tractor into the garage, but pulled my truck into the barn.. When they went in that night, I was vigil and waiting.. I cut power to the barn, ran out and pushed shut the door on them and locked it from the outside.... Then I hit the panic button on the car alarm remote and let it honk for awhile.. And then I started it.. lol
That was the funny part.. "Dudes gonna suffumcate us!" Suffumcate...? Idiots.. Anyway, I let the truck run for a bout 10 minutes before I called the cops.. They both had bad headaches by the time the cops got there....
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:rofl :rofl that's some funny watermelon right there :aok that's what I would love to do. my buddy told me this afternoon that a guy around here is "scrapping" and taking all the "scrap to his dads and waiting for things to settle down before he gets rid of it. all hear say but there is usually truth in it somewhere lol. would love to lock them in my garage and let the neighbors dog loose on them :devil
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Man the ambulance chaser type attorneys would love to get hold of victims of ppl who have posted things similar to what has been said here.
I'm not an attorney because I'm surrounded by them and worked for them most of my life, that said, I've learned enough from them that:
- 'Tis not wise to publicly announce any of these types of intentions in any sphere.
- You, almost everywhere (US) that I've heard of, can NOT set loose your dog with intent to do harm on anyone, anywhere (even on your own property,) at anytime. However, your dog may serve to protect you against an attacker or intruder. The subtle difference is if the dog acts on it's own. If you chose to command your dog to attack someone you may be liable for damages (med bills, suffering, emotional distress, opportunity cost) and criminally. With that said, you know a jury will believe you, in most cases, before they believe a perp, but do you really want to be at the mercy of a jury. Furthermore, if you like your dog, you may want to consider the dog's well-being.
- I wouldn't ever use the term "baiting" (because the police are too lazy.) The perps attorney will argue that you intended to harm their client rather and took the law into your own hands, always gets a jury thinking. If you choose a judge instead of a jury, may have them thinking even more than a jury.
- Finally, if you are going to set a trap, you best know the law, you may be at the discretion of numerous jurisdictions depending on where you live. This means consult with an attorney.
Catching them on camera may be your best alternative, unless you feel all the other bases have been covered. If the cops still won't do anything about it at that point (happened to me in an armed robbery, yes cops told me to "get in line",) you could resort to public humiliation, i.e. post pics of them stealing your things/warn other ppl to look out...
GL, don't be a victim of your own trap.
Disclaimer: none of what I wrote is to be construed as actual legal advice :)
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Someone ends up in your garage, walk in and if he's facing you, shoot him. If there are multiple people, shoot anyone facing you while shouting to your imaginary backup to "get the other guy", to make sure anyone you don't shoot will end up
Stupid advice.
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Stupid advice.
Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning. I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family. If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period. I owe them NOTHING. I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.
Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded. Makes you the deficient one here.
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Sometimes dogs are dumb :old:
my labs are rePly smart but when I walk in the house at 3am drunk as hell, coming in the back cause my pRents locked the front door, they attack me :bhead
Best solution: hundreds of trip wires and clYmores,and. Moat with malnutished crocodiles :D
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Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning. I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family. If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period. I owe them NOTHING. I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.
Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded. Makes you the deficient one here.
protecting a family is a right that we all know. baiting somebody to come into your house then shooting him as you proposed is called murder.
semp
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Not sure what happy bunny farm you live in, but on my property a home invasion will be met with deadly force without warning. I have a family to protect and I will not ask a potentially violent and armed criminal trespasser his intent before I protect myself and my family. If they invade my home they will face deadly force, period. I owe them NOTHING. I owe a wild animal more consideration than I owe someone who invades my home.
Telling someone to NOT defend their family and property is retarded. Makes you the deficient one here.
If you shoot someone simply because they are facing you a boyfriend named Bubba will be in your future. In most jurisdicitons you are not permitted to use deadly force to defend property, only permitted when you or someone else is in fear of imminent death or serious physical injury and the perp has the means and ability. An unarmed person facing away from you doesn't fit the bill.
Posting online that your plan is to execute someone that enters your home isn't very bright.
FYI, I have defended my home. If someone again enters my home I will again arm myself and respond to the situation and act according to the conditions that present themselves.
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Any invader in your home can be presumed to be a deadly threat. In most states, especially the ones that have castle doctrine laws, you will likely not be prosecuted. Outside your home is a different matter.
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Any invader in your home can be presumed to be a deadly threat.
Don't misunderstand, anyone in my home uninvited will be greeted (and has been) with the muzzle of a firearm, they will be treated as a potential threat to myself and family.
Presuming is a lot like assuming.
Going into a situation with a pre-concieved notion could cause you heartache. As a police officer I knew that every time I talked to someone I might have to kill them to defend myself but that doesn't mean I had a blanket plan to shoot in all situations. I didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't a definite threat.
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Rot Barron Kinda touched on this but. Baiting or setting traps with the intent to harm / kill is illegal. If something bad does happen and you kill the person or people this thread kinda lumps you in the premeditated arena which is really bad. Just saying. Not that I think this thread was started with a lick of seriousness.
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Don't misunderstand, anyone in my home uninvited will be greeted (and has been) with the muzzle of a firearm, they will be treated as a potential threat to myself and family.
Presuming is a lot like assuming.
Going into a situation with a pre-concieved notion could cause you heartache. As a police officer I knew that every time I talked to someone I might have to kill them to defend myself but that doesn't mean I had a blanket plan to shoot in all situations. I didn't shoot at anyone that wasn't a definite threat.
Yep, only respond with such force to a real threat, but one doesn't need to take chances when someone invades their home. Any warning you give could be answered with gunfire.
As far as things outside your home or in a garage. File an insurance claim.
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As far as things outside your home or in a garage. File an insurance claim.
Actually filing insurance gets the police involved real quick.
I left my house to pickup a pizza and returned 20 min. later. I literally almost bumped into the bugler when entering a room. The guy got away with a little jewelry and insurance company picked up the tab. The police did heck of a job investigating it. They showed me 3 pictures. Unfortunately I didn't get a good glance at the burglars face. The police knew who it was, but he got away with it.
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I can only speak for the state of AZ as far as law and using deadly force on your property.
To use deadly force:
1. You must fear for your own life or another person's, or fear they are going to commit a heinous act like rape.
2. The perpetrator must have the means to be able to cause potentially deadly harm. Ex: a woman who has her home broken into by a large adult male. If you are 6'3 and some unarmed tweaker who weighs 150lbs breaks into your home you're going to have a hard time explaining that to a detective, then prosecutor and ultimately to a jury.
The first one is paramount, and absolutely required in all cases.
The second is up for debate and depends on circumstances. Ex: my brother was murdered (bludgeoned) at my mother's home. Several months after this, I was up late one night cleaning some firearms. Somebody starts pounding on backdoor, I get a shotgun and go out and around an indirect way to see him where he doesn't expect me. He sees me, gets down on his knees with hand in air and proceeds to knee-walk toward me (about 15 yards) and screaming ayuda me, ayuda me...I yell stop coming closer (and many other things,) which he does not and for whatever reason under this atmosphere, he drops one hand behind his back for a moment. Maybe his butt itched, I dunno, but I was holding a 410 bolt that has no safety with only one round 3" mag duck shot (4) in it, as I started my squeeze (for the sake of god) he put his hands back up. Later on cops detain/question him, and determine he was being chased by several ppl from a bar fight 4 blocks away and let him go. But every cop said stuff like "man say yours prayers/thanks tonight," you didn't kill an innocent person. They all said given the circumstances I would not have been charged with anything and several said they would have shot him. Btw he spoke perfect english.
Anyhow, before you go saying in Texas you can shoot anyone who breaks into your home, you better be damn sure about that if that is what you intend to do. I'm certain and would bet money there are criteria (like in AZ) that must be met before you may use deadly force to protect yourself. I could ask my uncle who is an attorney in Beaumont if you desire.
Not saying this is you, but I belong to a fishing website/forum, and every time a topic like this comes up there are so many internet tough guys that say all this I would do this I would do that yada yada crap. Very little of that will actually transpire when something like this happens. Members of the AH community are more mature than that forum, benefit of the doubt given, nevertheless unless you are trained you probably aren't going to react they way you think you are.
I hope you never have to shoot anyone, but if you do, you don't don't want to meat [sic] the aforementioned Bubba.
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Man the ambulance chaser type attorneys would love to get hold of victims of ppl who have posted things similar to what has been said here.
I'm not an attorney because I'm surrounded by them and worked for them most of my life, that said, I've learned enough from them that:
- 'Tis not wise to publicly announce any of these types of intentions in any sphere.
- You, almost everywhere (US) that I've heard of, can NOT set loose your dog with intent to do harm on anyone, anywhere (even on your own property,) at anytime. However, your dog may serve to protect you against an attacker or intruder. The subtle difference is if the dog acts on it's own. If you chose to command your dog to attack someone you may be liable for damages (med bills, suffering, emotional distress, opportunity cost) and criminally. With that said, you know a jury will believe you, in most cases, before they believe a perp, but do you really want to be at the mercy of a jury. Furthermore, if you like your dog, you may want to consider the dog's well-being.
- I wouldn't ever use the term "baiting" (because the police are too lazy.) The perps attorney will argue that you intended to harm their client rather and took the law into your own hands, always gets a jury thinking. If you choose a judge instead of a jury, may have them thinking even more than a jury.
- Finally, if you are going to set a trap, you best know the law, you may be at the discretion of numerous jurisdictions depending on where you live. This means consult with an attorney.
Catching them on camera may be your best alternative, unless you feel all the other bases have been covered. If the cops still won't do anything about it at that point (happened to me in an armed robbery, yes cops told me to "get in line",) you could resort to public humiliation, i.e. post pics of them stealing your things/warn other ppl to look out...
GL, don't be a victim of your own trap.
Disclaimer: none of what I wrote is to be construed as actual legal advice :)
Guess I should probably go to jail for attempted murder by carbon-monoxide poisoning.. Two counts, to be exact.. :lol
You probably live in the city with a bunch uppity deputy dog type cops.. Out here, they play by the book as much as they can..
When they get a little help from us non-criminal law abiding types, sometimes they set the book down for a second, or look the other way....
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[quoteprotecting a family is a right that we all know. baiting somebody to come into your house then shooting him as you proposed is called murder][/quote]
yeah it might be called baiting to a degree, but oops forgot to close my garage door before bedtime, and we had several people over so I parked my vehicles down back. the perp has a CHOICE of whether to come inside or not, and if he did I would meet him with a very big gun in his face and yes I did feel threatened its 1 am and I was sleeping. the laws are protecting the criminals not people.
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If a Criminal and his Lawyer were in my house at 1 am guess who I'd shoot first. :devil
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[quoteprotecting a family is a right that we all know. baiting somebody to come into your house then shooting him as you proposed is called murder]
yeah it might be called baiting to a degree, but oops forgot to close my garage door before bedtime, and we had several people over so I parked my vehicles down back. the perp has a CHOICE of whether to come inside or not, and if he did I would meet him with a very big gun in his face and yes I did feel threatened its 1 am and I was sleeping. the laws are protecting the criminals not people.
no, dont turn the crap around. the initial was that a guy was baiting for somebody to come, and then shoot that person. there is no fear "for my life there". and the "he had a choice" is just an excuse to commit murder. plain and simple.
there is no baiting to a degree. he had intention and motive. that is murder. when you choose to twist the laws then you become a criminal too.
semp
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okay so what your saying, is............... if I had my garage open at say 1am and was working on my sled project in my basement which I am, and I caught someone in my garage, I shouldn't be worried?? would that be baiting then?? or maybe I am working on my rc plane in the basement, and my garage door just happened to be opened because I am awake?? he has a choice to enter the garage being that I leave my lights on in the garage 24/7 he don't know if anyone is home or awake for that matter. at 1am theres no way in heck I would go nosing around anyones garage, if I needed something I would knock on the door. but that's me and not looking to steal something. points well taken Semp, just that I see no reason at all why I shouldn't feel threatened by someone entering my premises at weeeee hours of daytime, when I have a wife and kid.
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okay so what your saying, is............... if I had my garage open at say 1am and was working on my sled project in my basement which I am, and I caught someone in my garage, I shouldn't be worried?? would that be baiting then?? or maybe I am working on my rc plane in the basement, and my garage door just happened to be opened because I am awake?? he has a choice to enter the garage being that I leave my lights on in the garage 24/7 he don't know if anyone is home or awake for that matter. at 1am theres no way in heck I would go nosing around anyones garage, if I needed something I would knock on the door. but that's me and not looking to steal something. points well taken Semp, just that I see no reason at all why I shouldn't feel threatened by someone entering my premises at weeeee hours of daytime, when I have a wife and kid.
no, what i am saying is that you planned to bait somebody so you left out some toys that can be seen thru the open door. you pick a good hiding spot and when a guy walks in you jump out from where you are hiding and open fire. that is murder.
it's different than you forget to close the door so you hear somebody walking in you defend yourself and the intruder is dead. that is self defense.
so let me refresh your memory of what your were planning to do just to make it clear that you didnt "forget to close the door".
.... So my plan is to park both vehicles down in my field where they cant bee seen and leave my garage door open, put my sled up front and my 3 wheeler out next to the road and sit and see if anyone stops :devil :devil ...
another thing is that you are putting your family in danger with your dumb plan above. what if the thieves see what you have but decide to come back another day when you arent home but your family is. what if they actually pull the trigger faster than you?
did you actually think that your plan above is gonna work 100%
semp
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Guess I should probably go to jail for attempted murder by carbon-monoxide poisoning.. Two counts, to be exact.. :lol
You probably live in the city with a bunch uppity deputy dog type cops.. Out here, they play by the book as much as they can..
When they get a little help from us non-criminal law abiding types, sometimes they set the book down for a second, or look the other way....
I live in the 5th largest city in the US, right smackdab in the the middle of it too. And whether you like it or not, had your intentional CO poisoning of them resulted in their death then you may have been answering to your state's AG. Your local guys may have looked the other way, but again whether you like it or not, there probably isn't an AG in any state that would have. You guys out in the sticks may have your own versions of justice, and I'm not knocking it, I've lived in a smaller town, but the fact is there are jurisdictions over your municipality/county and you are subject to them.
I don't know what you mean by uppity deputy dog type cops. My county has one of the strictest sheriffs in the nation, but he only runs the jails, investigates crimes with domesticated animals, and oversees the outlying areas of the county. And he does a very good job at it too.
The bottom line is (as I already stated) don't be a victim or your own trap, know the law and your rights.
:salute
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whats so different about leaving the door open on purpose or forgetting to close it? yeah I have a new sled, 4wheeler, 3wheeler, lawn tractor, and a boat load of tools, been that way for a few weeks now making room for more toys :devil my garage is attached to my house by a breezeway where we have a smoking room. Now what your saying is, if I leave my door open and sit in my breeze way all night having butts that would be baiting? any time the garage door is open(mostly all day in the summer) they would see whats in it anyways and can come back in the day time when I am at work anyways. an no I didn't think it was going to work 100% I just want to know who the thief is, really had no idea what I would do if I did catch them. so I looked up Vermont law, and I wasn't going to shoot them, maybe detain them though
§ 2305. Justifiable homicide
If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:
(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or
(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or
(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)
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so you used the word baiting, you even put it in the title. but now you are saying you aren't. that isn't covered by justifiable homicide.
semp
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This post is proof that criminals are stu...well
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You can't bait. You will loose in court. Someone broke into my house a few years ago while I was work, and only took my new big screen. I wanted to install trap doors, land mines and boobie trap.
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whats so different about leaving the door open on purpose or forgetting to close it?
You are just trolling or bumping this thread for what, you know what the diff is
§ 2305. Justifiable homicide...
You are either playing around with this post now or you have a desire to kill someone? If you do, there are plenty of opportunities around the world to find that. Ask around, when you kill the trailer trash family's 19yr old tweaker son who is trying to break in and steal your atv next week, sooner or later you ain't going to feel like such a big man anymore, you'll realize killed someone's child.
hasta
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This whole thread is full of bad ideas. Albiet the intention is funny
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Just punch them in the chops.
I doubt you would get reported by someone who trespassed on your property.
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yes it is full of bad ideas :lol my intent wasn't to get slammed like I have on here, was blowing steam off. further more I never mentioned I was going to kill anyone, maybe detain them til the cops showed up. as far as leaving the door open, if I were to put a $100 dollar bill with a roofing nail to my house I would expect it to stay there and if someone stole it I would hope it caught on fire and burned them to death. there is 3 things I hate, that is a liar, a thief and a rapist(in backwards order) there isn't one that is worth the air they breathe. NO I DONT WANT TO KILL ANYONE, as I said that wasn't my intention on this post.
you'll realize killed someone's child.
everyone is someones child. rapists, murderers, terrorists, yeah I will leave it at that :)
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go see what gunny thinks about things being unlocked.
semp
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As an Australian, I have a tendency to agree with Eagl's first post.
As we have no firearms permitted for defence of the home. The idea of blasting a criminal in the face with a shotgun is very very appealing. If I did that in my country I would be arrested and tried for both illegal ownership of a firearm, firearm violence, and murder.
But then again the police force in Australia is excellent.
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Any news homer?
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well, the cops told the neighbor a guys name, but it was the wrong name. My brother in laws ex wifes brother heard the dirtbike start at like 3 am when it was taken, he knows the kid that stole it, his name is ryan, the cop told the neighbor brian. So the wife and I went online and googled his name, know where he lives and whatnot, but no pic. They said, if he can push it he will steal it, lawn mowers, dirtbikes, 4wheelers. he has to show up in court for a stolen riding lawn tractor :lol. there were probably 20 different police reports we found online on this clown having to appear in court for theft. Now what gets me is the cops obviously have caught him stealing stuff, why is he still walking the streets?? so yeah we know WHO it is, just don't know what he looks like.
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well, the cops told the neighbor a guys name, but it was the wrong name. My brother in laws ex wifes brother heard the dirtbike start at like 3 am when it was taken, he knows the kid that stole it, his name is ryan, the cop told the neighbor brian. So the wife and I went online and googled his name, know where he lives and whatnot, but no pic. They said, if he can push it he will steal it, lawn mowers, dirtbikes, 4wheelers. he has to show up in court for a stolen riding lawn tractor :lol. there were probably 20 different police reports we found online on this clown having to appear in court for theft. Now what gets me is the cops obviously have caught him stealing stuff, why is he still walking the streets?? so yeah we know WHO it is, just don't know what he looks like.
All I can say...you need Sheriff Joe. But we won't let you have him, he does too good of a job here.
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(http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/d5ec763294abb7181ff5f7d14d6e3c59/l.jpg)
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All I can say...you need Sheriff Joe. But we won't let you have him, he does too good of a job here.
yup great job with all of them children.
semp
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yup great job with all of them children.
semp
Children???
Here we go, what are you referring to?
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oh I dont know, what are you referring to? after investigating birth certificates. I am gonna propose that the next investigations should be the dreaded chupacabras.
semp
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What I'm referring to is that the job of the Sheriff is utmost and foremost public safety. Under Sheriff Joe's tenure crime in Maricopa county under Sheriff's jurisdiction has dropped by something like 47% last time I read about it. Violent crime is down by high 30%'s.
Discussing the birth certificate investigation issue re: the POTUS would take this into a political realm. I'm not going there...
:salute
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:rofl
semp
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Nice pm.
Live in Maricopa county under Joe's tenure? I see...
You keep your Sheriff, we'll gladly keep ours.
All of your "known" facts about Joe are propaganda, watch certain local news here and your "facts" are their talking points.
Two sides to every story, you have obviously decided to see only one.
Bless us and he'll be around for a long time to come. Want to bet on it? The loser changes his name to What, When or Where and must fly a spit 8 exclusively, for every sortie for 3 months.
:salute
Oh btw re: the crimes against children that Joe "didn't investigate," you do know that here our Sheriff only patrols (if you will) the rural areas, runs the jails, and deals with animal abuse, right? The police departments that oversee each city/town in Maricopa county for the large part have jurisdiction over a matter(s) such as you're suggesting. And where one LEA doesn't investigate for any reason, the County Attorney has authority to investigate. Furthermore, if Terry Goddard (AG) really thought there was something he could bedevil Joe on, he would have.
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:banana:
the popo is here :O :bolt:
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crime in ... has dropped by something like 47% last time I read about it[/b]. Violent crime is down by high 30%'s.
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you do know that here our Sheriff only patrols (if you will) the rural areas, runs the jails, and deals with animal abuse, right?
semp
edit: I always thought that rural areas had a low crime rate to begin with. well except for mayberry, they did have a lot of crime for a small town.
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As an Australian, I have a tendency to agree with Eagl's first post.
As we have no firearms permitted for defence of the home. The idea of blasting a criminal in the face with a shotgun is very very appealing. If I did that in my country I would be arrested and tried for both illegal ownership of a firearm, firearm violence, and murder.
But then again the police force in Australia is excellent.
Yes they arrive just in time to mop up the mess.
Good thing guns are banned so no one gets hurt....................
Police say three males forced their way into the Auburn home in September and threatened a 26-year-old man and 25-year-old woman inside, demanding money.
They allegedly attacked the man with an axe.
He spent two months in hospital and had to have a large chunk of his skull and forehead removed.
Police on Wednesday arrested a 17-year-old boy over the incident, following the arrest of an 18-year-old earlier this year.
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must be nice to live in a country where guns arent banned and there is no crime at all, ever :aok
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must be nice to live in a country where guns arent banned and there is no crime at all, ever :aok
Where there is man there is Evil. Some wish to raise thier hands against Evil, I prefer to raise my weapon. :D
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§ 2305. Justifiable homicide
If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:
(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or
(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or
(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)
Interesting read gents.
As a Canadian, I wish the great white north had some of the "castle" laws which our southern brethren do. I agree that I should have the right to protect myself and property, what scares me is the american litigation system.
I've heard stories of a burglar falling through someone's skylight onto a kitchen knife who then proceeds to sue the homeowner and wins!? It's unfortunate that there is lawyers writing the law, lawyers interpreting law, and lawyers(judges) enacting the law. I also love how the language of the law is SOOO wide open for manipulation/interpretation.
Example - The Justifiable Homicide - In the wording posted earlier, it would appear that to satisfy the "requirements" of justifiable homicide, one needs to prove un-measurable metrics.
How does one define a feeling of imminent death, or that the act of JH would definitively prevent the suspect's "attempt to commit". Each of these rules are subject to an event which does not occur. The only clear case is if the criteria has already been met, ie assault has taken place, person murdered. All other scenarios can be argued, what if?... Mr. KB, are you certain that had you not killed Mr. Doe, he would in fact have committed that rape?..... Well, he had is pants down and she was passed out, but I guess he could have been tucking in his shirt..... WELLLLLL Mr. KB, it appears that you DON'T know Mr. Doe was attempting to commit rape DO YOU!?.... Well I suppose it's possible.... I rest my case Murderer, errr Mr. KB......
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How does one define a feeling of imminent death, or that the act of JH would definitively prevent the suspect's "attempt to commit". Each of these rules are subject to an event which does not occur. The only clear case is if the criteria has already been met, ie assault has taken place, person murdered. All other scenarios can be argued, what if?... Mr. KB, are you certain that had you not killed Mr. Doe, he would in fact have committed that rape?..... Well, he had is pants down and she was passed out, but I guess he could have been tucking in his shirt..... WELLLLLL Mr. KB, it appears that you DON'T know Mr. Doe was attempting to commit rape DO YOU!?.... Well I suppose it's possible.... I rest my case Murderer, errr Mr. KB......
cant agree more :aok
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semp
edit: I always thought that rural areas had a low crime rate to begin with. well except for mayberry, they did have a lot of crime for a small town.
Apparently you don't know about our rural areas. Like the Gila River valley/area which has/is been used as a drop point by cartels. This is an area that we bring along a pistol, AR-15 and our shotguns just to go waterfowling. It can be great waterfowling/quail hunting depending on the precipitation and winter weather. The corridor that stretches in from Pima and other southern counties into our county is a traditional access/launch point to the rest of the US because the interstates connect in Phoenix. All of this, hence you know who Sheriff Joe is...Otherwise, your Mayberry analogy might hold some truth to the rest of the US, here it does NOT. And yes, he has lowered crime by a considerable amount regarding these areas, again, hence you know who he is.
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yup i know who he is, after all how could i Have not read about him sending people to Hawaii to uncover a conspiracy. so anyway i didn't finish reading what really happened to Biggie, is that investigation over too? :noid
semp
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Oh, I forgot to mention, he and our County Attorney are the toughest on DUI's. If you get DUI in Maricopa County, you get to spend a week in our Tent City, regardless of the weather you'll be there, 120 or 20 degrees. On your second, you get to spend a month...YOU DON'T WANT A THIRD. You can also stay free of charge for other offenses against the people of Maricopa County.
Meet Joe Arpaio:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/sheriff-joe-arpaio-tent-city-jail-sign-inmates-served-020.jpg)
His mantra:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityjail2small.jpg)
Your temporary vacation spot:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcity.jpg)
Some new friends?:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates.jpg)
Joe's temporary buds:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/main.jpg)
Some exciting things to do during the stay:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates_summer2.jpg)
An honorary guest:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mike-tyson-pink.jpg)
Another honorary guest, but much happier to be there:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/segal_sheriff_joe.jpg)
If you behave you get to leave:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/pink_inmates.jpg)
But if you decide to come back, here's what to expect:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityposter.jpg)
I hope you enjoyed the slide show.
Oh I forgot to mention, all TV is C-Span or Disney channel, and in December they get to hear Christmas music all day long.
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Almost forgot, a few for our gv'rs
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/arpaiohowitzer.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mcso_buggy.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/rvxmves.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mcso_av.jpg)
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Wish Cali was as strict
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Wish Cali was as strict
get a dui, see what a walk in the park it is :D. I have never gotten one myself as I wait till I am sober to go back and buy beer. I could actually walk to the store since it is a 1/2 a block, but nobody walk sin LA.
semp
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Almost forgot, a few for our gv'rs
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/arpaiohowitzer.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mcso_buggy.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/rvxmves.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mcso_av.jpg)
oh my god, did he actually designed those? must be the only county in the world to have them. oh wait didnt the idea for police use them came from here?
hey what happened to the last district attorney you guys had? didnt he get disbarred last year? dude the major problem in your county is that those in charge are fighting each other instead of actually trying to serve and that includes your beloved sheriff.
people in power always think they are above the law. like the guy in the picture said, "nobody is above the law". anyway I think the whole infighting thin is childish as it is continuing this thread :bolt:.
semp
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Again responding to your last post would require taking this toward a political realm, not going there.
However, I did forget to mention that women are welcome too in Tent City. And we have the only female chain gang (trash pickup) in America :D
Charles Barkley was also an honorary guest, although he squirmed his way into only a weekend by pleading and "not putting the county through a costly legal battle."
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/chaingang-women.jpg)
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/the_only_allfemale_chain_gang_in_america_640_03.jpg)
Notice the F-16's from Luke AFB
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/140-female-chain-gang-3-13-03-7e-34.jpg)
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get a dui, see what a walk in the park it is :D. I have never gotten one myself as I wait till I am sober to go back and buy beer. I could actually walk to the store since it is a 1/2 a block, but nobody walk sin LA.
semp
How many has Lindsey Lohan had in LA? She'd be a permanent resident by now.
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Oh, I forgot to mention, he and our County Attorney are the toughest on DUI's. If you get DUI in Maricopa County, you get to spend a week in our Tent City, regardless of the weather you'll be there, 120 or 20 degrees. On your second, you get to spend a month...YOU DON'T WANT A THIRD. You can also stay free of charge for other offenses against the people of Maricopa County.
Meet Joe Arpaio:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/sheriff-joe-arpaio-tent-city-jail-sign-inmates-served-020.jpg)
His mantra:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityjail2small.jpg)
Your temporary vacation spot:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcity.jpg)
Some new friends?:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates.jpg)
Joe's temporary buds:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/main.jpg)
Some exciting things to do during the stay:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates_summer2.jpg)
An honorary guest:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mike-tyson-pink.jpg)
Another honorary guest, but much happier to be there:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/segal_sheriff_joe.jpg)
If you behave you get to leave:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/pink_inmates.jpg)
But if you decide to come back, here's what to expect:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityposter.jpg)
I hope you enjoyed the slide show.
Oh I forgot to mention, all TV is C-Span or Disney channel, and in December they get to hear Christmas music all day long.
That Tent City is a bunch of BS . That should not be legal . Like animals in a zoo . That's just sick . I don't care what one does to get in jail but they should not be treated like animals .
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That Tent City is a bunch of BS . That should not be legal . Like animals in a zoo . That's just sick . I don't care what one does to get in jail but they should not be treated like animals .
the majority of those in the tent city are people waiting to go to trial.
it is also celebrating it's 20 years and "A special invocation will be held at noon on Friday. Arpaio is expected to be on hand for that. It will be conducted by Michael Salman, a pastor who is serving a 60-day sentence in Tent City for holding church services at his home without proper permits."
the guy should have gone to jail for fraud but instead does jail for... having an illegal church.
semp
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yeah I don't believe in that either, and I don't believe in being on "death row" for 30 years, or a life sentence either. just whack em and get it over, save the $$$$ what is it like 50k a year per in mate? I wont get into what else I think about it, as get it locked and probably suspended :devil
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Oh, I forgot to mention, he and our County Attorney are the toughest on DUI's. If you get DUI in Maricopa County, you get to spend a week in our Tent City, regardless of the weather you'll be there, 120 or 20 degrees. On your second, you get to spend a month...YOU DON'T WANT A THIRD. You can also stay free of charge for other offenses against the people of Maricopa County.
Meet Joe Arpaio:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/sheriff-joe-arpaio-tent-city-jail-sign-inmates-served-020.jpg)
His mantra:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityjail2small.jpg)
Your temporary vacation spot:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcity.jpg)
Some new friends?:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates.jpg)
Joe's temporary buds:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/main.jpg)
Some exciting things to do during the stay:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/inmates_summer2.jpg)
An honorary guest:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/mike-tyson-pink.jpg)
Another honorary guest, but much happier to be there:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/segal_sheriff_joe.jpg)
If you behave you get to leave:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/pink_inmates.jpg)
But if you decide to come back, here's what to expect:
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/9/2/tentcityposter.jpg)
I hope you enjoyed the slide show.
Oh I forgot to mention, all TV is C-Span or Disney channel, and in December they get to hear Christmas music all day long.
"430k served time"
doesn't seem like it's very effective
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He doesn't make the laws, just enforces them. But when you are under his supervision, his deputies will be there to make sure you are watched.
Living like animals? He doesn't subject the inmates to any elements that our soldiers are not being subjected to (actually it's hotter in Iraq and colder in Afghanistan) except the shackles and cuffs during detainment, processing and transport. Maybe you'd like to tell the families of the victims of DUI's that these inmates aren't being treated fairly, I'm sure they'll agree.
430K served time doesn't seem like its working? How is jail supposed to work? It's not rehab, it is punitive.
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430K served time doesn't seem like its working? How is jail supposed to work? It's not rehab, it is punitive.
What is the point of punishment if it's not supposed to make people think twice before breaking the law?
Pretty sure it's not supposed to just be about circlejerking over degrading people
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He doesn't make the laws, just enforces them. But when you are under his supervision, his deputies will be there to make sure you are watched.
Living like animals? He doesn't subject the inmates to any elements that our soldiers are not being subjected to (actually it's hotter in Iraq and colder in Afghanistan) except the shackles and cuffs during detainment, processing and transport. Maybe you'd like to tell the families of the victims of DUI's that these inmates aren't being treated fairly, I'm sure they'll agree.
430K served time doesn't seem like its working? How is jail supposed to work? It's not rehab, it is punitive.
The people in service joined up . They knew what they were signing up for so don't give me that .
EDIT: Pluss , what are they doing with all the fine money if they have that many people going through the system Must be putting it in his pocket or they could build a new jail with all that money .
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The people in service joined up . They knew what they were signing up for so don't give me that .
EDIT: Pluss , what are they doing with all the fine money if they have that many people going through the system Must be putting it in his pocket or they could build a new jail with all that money .
Committing crimes against society isn't signing up for punishment???
$$$ LOL, AZ has been broke throughout the majority of the recession, and again, Sheriff Joe has many enemies in power outside of this county, specifically the AG. Criminal probes directed at him during his tenure have been often and regular. If there were anything to be found, trust me, they would find it and shout it from every pulpit possible. "Putting it in his pocket," lmao.
You guys defending criminals now are too funny. Heard it from NBC yesterday, 1/3 of all fatalities on our roadways involve alcohol...There is a saying around here, only (mostly) ppl who have served time hate Sheriff Joe. Was Bubba once your bunkie?
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And I don't even drink . Just seem like allot of money going some where .